Can monks MT?

[skorge]

Just asking, because I know once triple attack comes out, there will be no other reason to ever create or use any other melee toon, as they are already OP as it is. Imagine if monks could MT raids. Is that possible, let's say a monk gets the best gear possible...like those high AC items..and some proc clickies? I'm thinking it could be done...imagine just having a ton of monks with triple attack launching off on the mobs and a super monk or 2 doing MTing abilities.

I currently don't raid so I have no clue if it is possible for this to happen. I do know that there are some insane monk items out there and if they could somehow hold agro...the question would become: why bother creating any other class in the game?

[aaezil]

No warriors are the tanks because of their disciplines which monks will never get

[zodium]

i mean technically yes, for some mobs, but if you're gonna comedy tank, you may as well go with a fun class

[skorge]

No warriors are the tanks because of their disciplines which monks will never get

See I didn't know that since I don't raid...looks like discs save Warriors. Given the fact that p99 stops at Velious...monks will always be the most OP class in the game, they just can't MT then.

[skorge]

i mean technically yes, for some mobs, but if you're gonna comedy tank, you may as well go with a fun class

Well I know there are some INSANE monk only items out there...I don't remember names but ive seen items non-bp that have 65 AC on them and other insane stats...imagine if a monk has EVERY single piece of these pieces of gear...his AC on an Iksar will be insane and hps too...

[Morphyus]

OMG INSANE!

[skorge]

OMG INSANE!

N da membrane!

[zodium]

they can't hold really aggro tho

[Nuggie]

See I didn't know that since I don't raid...looks like discs save Warriors. Given the fact that p99 stops at Velious...monks will always be the most OP class in the game, they just can't MT then.

How are monks more OP than chanters/shamans?

[Arcticflava]

A tank that can't maintain aggro is not a tank.

[Nuggie]

Back in the day dps classes would maintain their own aggro. Not just go ham out of the gate.

[skorge]

How are monks more OP than chanters/shamans?

During 05/03 a monk soloed Vox/Naggy. I know this is an expansion or two away from Velious but it answers your question.

https://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-502.html

Don't think a shaman or any other class was able to do this.

Here's how he did it:

He posted the logs, used ds potions, healing potions, was buffed with lvl 60+ buffs, and is better twinked then alot of lvl 65 main monks. He used his epic to deal with the debuff, since they only debuff one slot, it is very doable. It appears to be real. Course I have always been of the opinion, solo ment, no buffs on you, that you can't cast yourself. Still is an impresive feat.

[Jlpstrtkng]

Monks defensive disc only lasts 12 seconds. A warriors lasts much much longer. Plus like they said holding aggro is everything in a raid. Can’t dps a mob down if the mob turns around and mows down your dps. That’s the quickest way to wipe. Monks tank decently in a group setting vs group mobs

[Crede]

How are monks more OP than chanters/shamans?

Because there's no other class in the game that rivals them in raid/solo/group effectiveness. They're basically warriors who can FD, heal themselves, and dps like rogues(especially when triple attack comes out). A ToV geared monk can solo 95% of what an enchanter/shaman can. And both those classes just really get boring in raid setting where you're essentially just a buff/torpor bot.

Don’t get me wrong I’ve played every class they are all great in their own way but it eventually becomes obvious they are the clear winner which is why they got nerfed after velious.

[Jimjam]

How are monks more OP than chanters/shamans?

I never saw the videos of shamans or enchanters soloing fungus king (on p99).

Not that I'm saying it hasn't or can't be done. But a monk has famously evidenced it.

[Jibartik]

Once the Fungi King was solo'd it's kinda like we got a new king. The monk King.

[Triode]

True, but the number of clickies used including puppet string pet were insane, in addition to his BIS gear.

It was considered a big deal when he soloed Seb Crypt, whereas shaman do it all the time. And I've never heard of a monk soloing a WW dragon or even an ice burrower like any epic druid can manage. Soloing in Kael and HS and the big league stuff in PoM like charm classes is also pretty much off limits right?

Monks are definitely the strongest solo melee, but I think the Luclin/PoP mitigation nerf was seriously misguided. Basically no one even bothers to play monk on p2002.

Edit: as far as MT'ing and aggro, it is perfectly viable for group content but not raids. Just have someone cast root and stand the closest.

[Bardp1999]

Necromancers are the true kings of EQ.; If you disagree then you are wrong/mentally handicapped. ALL HAIL THE SKELETON KING

[aaezil]

Well I know there are some INSANE monk only items out there...I don't remember names but ive seen items non-bp that have 65 AC on them and other insane stats...imagine if a monk has EVERY single piece of these pieces of gear...his AC on an Iksar will be insane and hps too...

No amount of hp or ac will close the gap that is defensive disc (unless were talkin like 2k extra hp but monks dont get they they almost always have less

[Bardp1999]

There is nothing that can match a 35% damage reduction for 3 minutes that is on a 10 minute cool down. It's so stupidly out of character for how discs work for every other class that it really makes me wonder WTF Verant/Sony was thinking... It doesn't make sense how out of line it is with every other Disc even in the slightest.

EDIT: Add to that that SK and Pal dont get it and it REALLY makes no sense

[Ligma]

Monks have a higher dodge cap than warriors so with high end raid gear they can tank fine as long as defensive isn't needed. This was exhibited during luclin where monks could easily tank more than half of VT bosses since they couldn't be one rounded and the fights were too long for defensive to matter. Hence, the nerf.

. And I've never heard of a monk soloing a WW dragon or even an ice burrower like any epic druid can manage

https://youtu.be/AuXyehAuWss

[Twochain]

A best in slot monk can tank any mob in the game if it's slowed.. fist of nature and gharns generates a fuck load of agro. Aikons has emergency tanked more than once.

[aaezil]

A monk that nobody has did a thing once

/wow

[Jibartik]

There is nothing that can match a 35% damage reduction for 3 minutes that is on a 10 minute cool down. It's so stupidly out of character for how discs work for every other class that it really makes me wonder WTF Verant/Sony was thinking... It doesn't make sense how out of line it is with every other Disc even in the slightest.

EDIT: Add to that that SK and Pal dont get it and it REALLY makes no sense

I mean it makes a lot of sense if you designed a game where the main tank is not the main tank and all you have to do is add 1 disc to make it the quintessential main tank that it was intended to be when they designed the class.

[Triode]

Monks have a higher dodge cap than warriors so with high end raid gear they can tank fine as long as defensive isn't needed. This was exhibited during luclin where monks could easily tank more than half of VT bosses since they couldn't be one rounded and the fights were too long for defensive to matter. Hence, the nerf.

https://youtu.be/AuXyehAuWss

Thanks for the explanation re VT and link - enjoyed watching it. Kelz is truly a beast.

[Dolalin]

A 60 warrior in Kunark gear will still tank better than a 60 monk with velious BiS, because /disc defensive.

End of thread.

[Jimjam]

A 60 warrior in Kunark gear will still tank better than a 60 monk with velious BiS, because /disc defensive.

End of thread.

'Kunark gear' is real loose. Also depends on target. We've seen 32k dragons disolve in under a minute. Gone in seconds. I bet a stonestance velious BiS monk outperforms a cookie-cutter Kunark war under such conditions. Of course in such a situation whosoever tanks is largely unimportant, let alone being 'the better tank'.

[Dolalin]

Stonestance only lasts 12 seconds.

Evasive / Defensive would last the whole fight.

Warriors also get a riposte disc for 9 seconds and a dodge disc for the same. 100% mitigation.

[Jimjam]

Stonestance only lasts 12 seconds.

Evasive / Defensive would last the whole fight.

Warriors also get a riposte disc for 9 seconds and a dodge disc for the same. 100% mitigation.

I think you'll find on 10 years of velious, against 32k dragons 12 seconds is the whole foght, darling.

You raise a good point about deftdance, weaponshield, furious and rogues don't ever use anything other than dps disc though.