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Decoy
09-08-2019, 04:34 PM
I'm going to put this poll up. I want my pet window back. I don't care that it isn't classic. The internet I have now isn't classic either, and there isn't a download speed limiter installed where we all have to run at 56k dial-up speed and spend 5 minutes zoning in and out. The pet window isn't game-breaking, it isn't ruining my immersion in the experience, it's just a quality of life improvement that we enjoyed. There are a lot of bugs, including with spells and quests, that could have been tended to but instead the game was worsened by doing this.

I'm not going to play for a while, hopefully they'll change their minds and revert it back. I understand those wanting an authentic experience, but not everything about the original experience was good. Don't run off the player base you have.

Yes you can make hotkeys, I've already done so and it's not difficult. That's not the point. The pet window is better. Am I capable of digging a hole to go to the bathroom in outside my back door, yes I am. Do I want to over using a toilet? No, because we have toilets and why not use them.

Note: I don't feed trolls, so don't bother. If you want to waste your time browsing a forum to shoot down people's ideas, you're too sad for me to punch down at anyway.

Nirgon
09-08-2019, 04:36 PM
Make pet attack and back off buttons and hotkey them

You want me to do a logmein session and hold ur hand thru it? I'm an IT genius

Vexenu
09-08-2019, 04:38 PM
Honestly, how hard is it to make a /pet attack %T and /pet back macros and stick them on your hotbar? Follow, guard and sit are used much less frequently and can be typed manually.

Loss of pet window is a minor inconvenience. And totally classic, like it or not.

El-Hefe
09-08-2019, 04:41 PM
Yo, I want simulated dial up internet and 5400 rpm hdd loading times. Hell, I want them to simulate your Mom picking up the phone while you're trying to pull.

More classic plz, thank you very much.

Kiithsa
09-08-2019, 04:48 PM
The devs created this server to be as close to classic EQ as possible. No one is trying to make you happy. They only try to make the server classic. Arguing that you don't like that they removed windows isn't going to get you anywhere.

The only way things get changed here is with era specific evidence. If something isn't "classic" and you can prove it, it gets changed. That is all.

Again, no one cares that you aren't happy. Things are either classic, or they're not.

goofball_jones
09-08-2019, 04:54 PM
We didn't have a pet window on classic. When I started playing P99 i was surprised to see it in the game. I didn't hate it or anything, but it just wasn't in the game before.

And yeah, you can make macros and hotkey them. The pet classes aren't "unplayable" now. Give me a break.

tsuchang
09-08-2019, 05:18 PM
I don't want to have the spell book the only thing i see when i'm meding.

Magnatic
09-08-2019, 05:25 PM
As a mage main, It simply just makes the game less fun. I of course can figure some way to work around everything. I need 3 hotkeys for pet commands at all times, while having access to at least 3 of my spells. That leaves 2 keys for macros or clickies, which need to be up at all times. Ring 9 and Jboot. Sure, i can shift through sets, but i st ill need all those keys, and its constant switching just to post "Malisini landed on %t" etc. This forces us to rely more on discord, which is not classic, if you want to look at it that way.

I just do not think the quality of life UI and Pet window changes are prudent. I'm not asking for AA's.

skorge
09-08-2019, 05:27 PM
Honestly, how hard is it to make a /pet attack %T and /pet back macros and stick them on your hotbar? Follow, guard and sit are used much less frequently and can be typed manually.

Loss of pet window is a minor inconvenience. And totally classic, like it or not.

Let's don't lie, it's actually a big inconvenience, but you know what, the pet window was never classic, so you have to give props for Rogean for doing the right thing by removing it. Sure it's now hard to manage pets, but that's the way it was in classic EQ and that's what this server is all about...the good, bad and ugly.

I seriously give them mad props for making this change. I hope other changes are made too.

Jibartik
09-08-2019, 05:30 PM
If you don't use /pet back off /pet attack hotkeys already then your opinions are INVALID because you're obviously a stupid idiot.

Ligma
09-08-2019, 05:48 PM
I need 3 hotkeys for pet commands at all times, while having access to at least 3 of my spells.

Then use alt+#? Seems like you don't lose anything if you just get gud

Mblake81
09-08-2019, 05:53 PM
As a mage main, It simply just makes the game less fun. I of course can figure some way to work around everything. I need 3 hotkeys for pet commands at all times, while having access to at least 3 of my spells. That leaves 2 keys for macros or clickies, which need to be up at all times. Ring 9 and Jboot. Sure, i can shift through sets, but i st ill need all those keys, and its constant switching just to post "Malisini landed on %t" etc. This forces us to rely more on discord, which is not classic, if you want to look at it that way.

I just do not think the quality of life UI and Pet window changes are prudent. I'm not asking for AA's.

Wait til its just 6 hotkeys and only 1 hot bar. I guess you might have to break your wrist and click page 2.

All of the macro text so commonly used today might have to go as well.. dear lord what will we do?. If everyone doesn't know exactly what is going on at all times how will we calculator math what should be done next?

Also 1 chat box.

(no discord or voice :D)

kjs86z
09-08-2019, 05:54 PM
If you mages think you have it bad...

...what about a soloing enchanter or necro?

Its far worse. I'm not going to stop playing over it...but yeah...the pet bar was a QoL thing that didn't need to be removed. It didn't hurt anyone nor hinder immersion.

Mblake81
09-08-2019, 05:57 PM
Makes you wonder why Enc and to an extent solo charm necro is so powerful here on P99. Oh well, the good ones will still be doing their thing and will adapt.

Bard will not have it either but they can get a feel for things, the good ones. Hell I hardly used the pet window charm kiting, few beats then change up.

Jibartik
09-08-2019, 05:58 PM
lol

"imagine how the most over powered class in the game feels about this quality of life improvement you're taking from it"

Mblake81
09-08-2019, 06:05 PM
People have been playing this server while watching Netflix.

Using GINA, improved UI, Discord...

"lol this is easy"

(Ban GINA even though I like the RP aspect of a gnomish device)

Edit: I can't really do anything about the super nice, highly functional communication services though. Think it must've took some amazing yet primitive organization to raid at the drop of a hat at any hour back in the day when most were posting messages on yahoo or AIM. Everyones grandmother and the family dog didn't have a cellphone either.

"P99 raiding is broken.. gimme more stuff to break it" *pounds fists and feet*

Zuranthium
09-08-2019, 08:53 PM
I like the pet window. It felt normal and organic, like sheet music for a pianist.

If the game really wanted to be immersive, then get rid of the party window. Now you can only target people in visual range (makes sense) and healers have to watch the field in order to see who needs help, or people need to communicate it.

(no discord or voice :D)

I wish there was some way to block people from using voice chat. Very unimmersive!

Wonkie
09-08-2019, 09:07 PM
@OP the real "toilet" is using Titanium features on a Velious server

{';getclassicbaby:

bomaroast
09-08-2019, 09:18 PM
It's just a lot of extra, wasted clicks. The devs want us all to have carpal tunnel syndrome.

Hope you're ready for lots of extra Shift+# clicks.

Pico
09-08-2019, 10:50 PM
brad mcdonald was adamantly against the pet window during alpha which is why it was removed in 1995. i for one am glad for his fever dreams

Valhurian
09-08-2019, 11:25 PM
The devs created this server to be as close to classic EQ as possible. No one is trying to make you happy. They only try to make the server classic. Arguing that you don't like that they removed windows isn't going to get you anywhere.

The only way things get changed here is with era specific evidence. If something isn't "classic" and you can prove it, it gets changed. That is all.

Again, no one cares that you aren't happy. Things are either classic, or they're not.

Bullshit and a half. Where's uncapped PBAoE targeting? Don't worry, I'll wait.

/tt /rt /consider for corpse timers, all non-classic. /tgb added as a shortened /togglegroupbuff , /makeleader, as well as item linking are 2002 post classic. /surname and /rewind are 2004.

xabler
09-08-2019, 11:51 PM
i find it funny people think this server is classic EQ. Just being able to use Vent or Discord makes it 100 times worst than a pet window.

Barlu
09-09-2019, 12:18 AM
Always felt like the pet window was very helpful and never remembered it on classic. Makes my life more difficult by a lot and will take some getting used to. Just like anything else else everyone will adapt soon

imsorryGMs
09-09-2019, 12:27 AM
The devs created this server to be as close to classic EQ as possible. No one is trying to make you happy. They only try to make the server classic. Arguing that you don't like that they removed windows isn't going to get you anywhere.

The only way things get changed here is with era specific evidence. If something isn't "classic" and you can prove it, it gets changed. That is all.

Again, no one cares that you aren't happy. Things are either classic, or they're not.

This server is the furthest thing from Classic EQ lol

Tethler
09-09-2019, 12:46 AM
Hey dudes. Just make the custom hotkeys on the little empty social boxes. Name them and/or color them as you like. Then move that UI box over to where you used to place your pet window and click them from there. The buttons are smaller, but you don't need to shift+# to find them in your hotkey box.

Biggest downside to losing pet window is not being able to use the hotkeys while spells are casting because it won't register the button press at the same time. Need to manually type it I believe.

Bardp1999
09-09-2019, 12:46 AM
rooted dragons

18-hour spawn variance on raid targets

medding without spell book up

no fall damage

charm pets fucking over mobs way too hard

NO GOD DAMN LFG TOOL AHHHHHHHHHwwwww

Tethler
09-09-2019, 12:48 AM
rooted dragons

18-hour spawn variance on raid targets

medding without spell book up

no fall damage

charm pets fucking over mobs way too hard

NO GOD DAMN LFG TOOL AHHHHHHHHHwwwww

Fall dmg may have been fixed with the 60 fps cap. I may be wrong though.

Jibartik
09-09-2019, 08:41 AM
Bullshit and a half. Where's uncapped PBAoE targeting? Don't worry, I'll wait.

/tt /rt /consider for corpse timers, all non-classic. /tgb added as a shortened /togglegroupbuff , /makeleader, as well as item linking are 2002 post classic. /surname and /rewind are 2004.

Thanks to evidence provided by players and staff, it was decided that the most people were able to aoe kite back in the day was around 25 mobs, the most, which is why it was capped here.

There is proof that people only did it between 10-25 moibs and there is no proof they did more.

lol you screwed yourself with this post!

Jibartik
09-09-2019, 08:43 AM
no fall damage

a lot of your post was made up opinions with no evidence that you're correct.

but the best part is the thing you cried about that was fixed in the last patch, ya ban addict casual.

fadetree
09-09-2019, 08:48 AM
Wow, what a whinefest. Well, at least THAT part is classic.

Kiithsa
09-09-2019, 08:56 AM
This server is the furthest thing from Classic EQ lol

I never said it was perfect, I said they make things as classic as POSSIBLE. Some things (for technical programming reasons), just aren't possible. These people do the best they can with what they have to work with.

I don't think a single person here, staff included, is going to make the argument that this server is 100% classic. This is as close as you're going to get.

Mblake81
09-09-2019, 09:08 AM
medding without spell book up

NO GOD DAMN LFG TOOL AHHHHHHHHHwwwww

Widescreen messed that up, EQ UI being designed for 4:3. Would be welcome if Sornn and crew could make a functional EQ Ui that didn't look jank af for P99. Otherwise you are limited to fake 4:3 with borders on the sides.

There is an LFG tool, its called going to the zone and /ooc X class X level LFG

riczaj01
09-09-2019, 09:14 AM
there are work arounds to the pet window so i'm fine with it. What i'm having issues with is the pet not following the pet attack command. When I target something the pet seems to attack whatever is closest, even if it's through a wall. My mage is in najena, and the first room w/2 skellies i sent the pet to attack the one on the right, he attacked the left one. I got to the room w/ 3 elementals. I have twice now targetted the closest elemental, and twice the pet took off and attacked a skelleton somewhere else; which trained everything to me between where that was and where i was.

pet pathing, at least in najena seems broken.

Kiwix
09-09-2019, 10:13 AM
How can someone expect a poll to be accurate, when the title adress only people with a certain point of view.

aaezil
09-09-2019, 10:33 AM
No and welcome to classic EQ thanks for stopping by

Chapelle
09-09-2019, 11:06 AM
As a mage main, It simply just makes the game less fun. I of course can figure some way to work around everything. I need 3 hotkeys for pet commands at all times, while having access to at least 3 of my spells. That leaves 2 keys for macros or clickies, which need to be up at all times. Ring 9 and Jboot. Sure, i can shift through sets, but i st ill need all those keys, and its constant switching just to post "Malisini landed on %t" etc. This forces us to rely more on discord, which is not classic, if you want to look at it that way.

I just do not think the quality of life UI and Pet window changes are prudent. I'm not asking for AA's.

Why does a mage need a Ring 9?

tsuchang
09-09-2019, 11:14 AM
I made a new mage yesterday to check it out. I made hotkeys for /pet attack, /pet back and /pet follow.
Those worked OK for the kobold camps and stuff in the Gnome beginner area. I couldn't check my pet's health at a glance but had to target her/him/ve/(pronounce of choice).
I can see where it is going to be a female dog on my necro but will work with it or not. I can play my monk or ranger if I need game.

Mblake81
09-09-2019, 12:05 PM
How could they have played it in era, must've been standing on their head and playing with their feets.

Jadian
09-09-2019, 02:05 PM
Your life is so rough it's the least they could do

Kollins
09-09-2019, 02:06 PM
Please switch your browser to Internet Explorer version 6 and adjust your resolution to 640x480 to view this post.

That being said, what is classic? I love old cars, but there is a special place in hell for guys who do the restorations where they put paint stains on the exhaust system because that's how it came from the factory. The same could be said for old games.

I played a bard on classic live. I never even tried to kite 2 mobs using a PBAOE, let alone 25 on my 56k dialup single core CPU rig. I have drug 25+ mobs around classic though. I called it charm kiting, it had other names, and I could charm a mob, get 24 of it's former friends to beat it near death, use my fancy bracer and finish it with a single ranged DoT. It doesn't work on "classic" blue because the aggro mechanics aren't "classic" though. Maybe there are some missing paint stains on the exhaust system? You know what else I used to do is twist my low level levitate and speed song because even if I can't find enough proof to convince the paint stained exhaust devs, the only song that required a wind instrument was invisibility. There were other class tricks and other players who did amazing things and it was a unique time that can not be recreated.

That being said, the retro nostalgia guy in me doesn't want the paint stains on the exhaust system, doesn't want to go raiding without discord, doesn't want to wait 5 minutes to zone and although I don't want some automated GUI that signals me when to rebuff and holds my hand for everything, I do enjoy the idea of playing "classic" with some of the modern tools like the guild management window or the pet bar.

You can't go back and even if you could, you probably wouldn't want to. Sometimes you have to skip putting the paint stains on the exhaust system and replace the 8-track with a Blue-Ray player with a USB port. You have to see the forest for the trees and find a way to make the classic car still feel like a classic, even if it has some digital gauges and it rides a lot smother than they did back in the day.

Valhurian
09-09-2019, 02:08 PM
So from responses I'm seeing is either "not classic needs to go" but still gonna have non-classic stuff like /tt /tr /con corpses /makeleader /tgb which is fine by the community but because monk, war, wiz can't use pet window it needs to go because not classic. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

El-Hefe
09-09-2019, 03:14 PM
So from responses I'm seeing is either "not classic needs to go" but still gonna have non-classic stuff like /tt /tr /con corpses /makeleader /tgb which is fine by the community but because monk, war, wiz can't use pet window it needs to go because not classic. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Uhhh... I don't see anyone saying that.

Get rid of all that stuff too, get rid of item links, give me the old UI.

Make it as classic as possible. Including getting rid of the pet window.

Mblake81
09-09-2019, 03:38 PM
So from responses I'm seeing is either "not classic needs to go"

It is classic, there was no pet window. They are working with Titanium client because Sony erased classic, iirc. Wait until the team figures out how to bypass/alter titanium to get the correct night blindness back that we haven't had..
ever wonder why there are torches and lanterns in the game? hint: its not for pet weaponry.

The elves will rejoice though.

infravision

https://i.imgur.com/zq2zeYM.jpg

ultravision

https://i.imgur.com/U5YmRDz.jpg

human vision

https://i.imgur.com/HzX4INJ.jpg

Cue onslaught of shit posts..

"You motherfuckers ruined the goddamn game, I can't see shit at night!"

GnomeCaptain
09-09-2019, 04:03 PM
Was the pet window there because of the Titanium client?

Mblake81
09-09-2019, 04:08 PM
Was the pet window there because of the Titanium client?

I think so. Someone will correct me (non trolling) if I am wrong. It wasn't there in era.

Jibartik
09-09-2019, 04:11 PM
Guys I was playing humans recently and notice that 1. I cant adjust gamma anymore in game, 2. its way darker lol

Did they do something that makes it harder to adjust gamma in game, and if so, am I expected to change the gamma on my whole PC to bypass this?

Mblake81
09-09-2019, 04:21 PM
Guys I was playing humans recently and notice that 1. I cant adjust gamma anymore in game, 2. its way darker lol

Did they do something that makes it harder to adjust gamma in game, and if so, am I expected to change the gamma on my whole PC to bypass this?

Nah,

-ask a friendly spell caster for a vision buff (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173241) (its why they have them)

-mage can summon a vision stone.

-find item that gives vision enhancement (https://wiki.project1999.com/Eyepatch_of_the_Shadows). Feel l33t because you can see.

https://i.imgur.com/LckTqfM.jpg

Mewse
09-09-2019, 04:27 PM
Please switch your browser to Internet Explorer version 6 and adjust your resolution to 640x480 to view this post.

That being said, what is classic? I love old cars, but there is a special place in hell for guys who do the restorations where they put paint stains on the exhaust system because that's how it came from the factory. The same could be said for old games.

monkeydoc
09-09-2019, 04:32 PM
Guys I was playing humans recently and notice that 1. I cant adjust gamma anymore in game, 2. its way darker lol

Did they do something that makes it harder to adjust gamma in game, and if so, am I expected to change the gamma on my whole PC to bypass this?

Pretty sure this was due to a recent Windows update.

Mblake81
09-09-2019, 04:32 PM
that is part of the argument for sure. Some want the game like it was or as close to it as possible. Others want something better than TLP but can do whatever and don't really sweat the details.

No doubt that is why the dragons are rooted currently.

That being said, what is classic? I love old cars, but there is a special place in hell for guys who do the restorations where they put paint stains on the exhaust system because that's how it came fromI played a bard on classic live. I never even tried to kite 2 mobs using a PBAOE, let alone 25 on my 56k dialup single core CPU rig. I have drug 25+ mobs around classic though. I called it charm kiting, it had other names, and I could charm a mob, get 24 of it's former friends to beat it near death, use my fancy bracer and finish it with a single ranged DoT. It doesn't work on "classic" blue because the aggro mechanics aren't "classic" though. Maybe there are some missing paint stains on the exhaust system? You know what else I used to do is twist my low level levitate and speed song because even if I can't find enough proof to convince the paint stained exhaust devs, the only song that required a wind instrument was invisibility. There were other class tricks and other players who did amazing things and it was a unique time that can not be recreated.


The observation has already been made that classic EQ was the only classic EQ. P99 is an emulator for classic running in 2019 and is its own beast.

Edit: Its a shame Sony erased it or didn't even think of keeping a backup somewhere. Wouldn't be an argument over it, however arguing over it is part of P99 forum culture due to this.

Droog007
09-09-2019, 04:45 PM
Frogs are killing everything but other frogs and undead in TT. Not classic. Try proving it, though.

Mark11
09-09-2019, 04:47 PM
Make pet attack and back off buttons and hotkey them

You want me to do a logmein session and hold ur hand thru it? I'm an IT genius

Oh please, can you make the horizontal hotkey bars return to our UI ? Actually they all gone and not working, at no UI(as far as i know)

Decoy
09-09-2019, 05:56 PM
For those who've voted to make their voice heard and discussed this without barrier aggression, thank you. I also appreciate all the people who love refrigerators. If you don't know why that's an option, I included it as a joke in reference to this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiC8pig6PGE

Also of note, WoW classic is pretty good. Been making dynamite as a dwarf rogue and throwing it at people. I had never played WoW before until this weekend after some buddies convinced me to try it since I was already getting burnt out on p99 and this whole pet window thing just dropped the last feather on my patience. It's funny when this game is called "Everquest" but WoW has wayyyyyyyy more quests! Almost always something to do besides just killing mobs.

El-Hefe
09-09-2019, 06:44 PM
For those who've voted to make their voice heard and discussed this without barrier aggression, thank you. I also appreciate all the people who love refrigerators. If you don't know why that's an option, I included it as a joke in reference to this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiC8pig6PGE

Also of note, WoW classic is pretty good. Been making dynamite as a dwarf rogue and throwing it at people. I had never played WoW before until this weekend after some buddies convinced me to try it since I was already getting burnt out on p99 and this whole pet window thing just dropped the last feather on my patience. It's funny when this game is called "Everquest" but WoW has wayyyyyyyy more quests! Almost always something to do besides just killing mobs.


Yup, P99 is a niche server for people passionate about *EverQuest*. I wouldn’t recommend it for people who would be happy playing any old MMO.

Infernoman
09-09-2019, 07:13 PM
Oh I guess I'll be looking for another game then.

Wonkie
09-09-2019, 07:23 PM
Also of note, WoW classic is pretty good. Been making dynamite as a dwarf rogue and throwing it at people.

LOL

Tune
09-09-2019, 08:33 PM
who ever said make hotkeys you are all pretty dumb

u cant use those while casting / performing actions

but you can use the pet window

i get it they want the game to get harder, but please don't think make hotkeys is a solution

Jibartik
09-09-2019, 08:39 PM
As if playing 33 characters by yourself wasn't difficult enough as it is, right tune?

HedleyKow
09-09-2019, 08:42 PM
who ever said make hotkeys you are all pretty dumb

u cant use those while casting / performing actions

but you can use the pet window

i get it they want the game to get harder, but please don't think make hotkeys is a solution

You can use the hotkeys for pet commands while casting. Not sure if you couldn't when patch came out and the changed it, or if I was mistaken when I thought you couldn't, but you can now.

You just have to click them rather than use keyboard to activate them; which is the same as when we still had pet window.

Tune
09-09-2019, 08:45 PM
i was not able to click them good to know i guess

aaezil
09-09-2019, 08:56 PM
I'm going to put this poll up. I want my pet window back. I don't care that it isn't classic. The internet I have now isn't classic either, and there isn't a download speed limiter installed where we all have to run at 56k dial-up speed and spend 5 minutes zoning in and out. The pet window isn't game-breaking, it isn't ruining my immersion in the experience, it's just a quality of life improvement that we enjoyed. There are a lot of bugs, including with spells and quests, that could have been tended to but instead the game was worsened by doing this.

I'm not going to play for a while, hopefully they'll change their minds and revert it back. I understand those wanting an authentic experience, but not everything about the original experience was good. Don't run off the player base you have.

Yes you can make hotkeys, I've already done so and it's not difficult. That's not the point. The pet window is better. Am I capable of digging a hole to go to the bathroom in outside my back door, yes I am. Do I want to over using a toilet? No, because we have toilets and why not use them.

Note: I don't feed trolls, so don't bother. If you want to waste your time browsing a forum to shoot down people's ideas, you're too sad for me to punch down at anyway.

Makes a post crying about changes he doesnt like then calls out trolls pre emptively. . .

What if i told you you’re the troll

Sillyturtle
09-10-2019, 01:25 AM
I didn’t realise how much this would influence me until I realised that without pet window I have no pet health bar. I was contemplating mage necro and enchanter for green but not any more. I don’t want to play pet classes now.

That’s okay. I’m not demanding they revert the changes since this is obviously something they feel strongly about, but I wanted to at least voice that I am at least one person who now doesn’t want to play a pet class anymore.

Appreciate the server still. Thank you.

Cecil
09-10-2019, 01:48 AM
Yeah... This bites!

Mblake81
09-10-2019, 05:20 AM
/\ wtf is that! :eek:

Chortles Snort|eS
09-10-2019, 07:08 AM
It is classic, there was no pet window. They are working with Titanium client because Sony erased classic, iirc. Wait until the team figures out how to bypass/alter titanium to get the correct night blindness back that we haven't had..
ever wonder why there are torches and lanterns in the game? hint: its not for pet weaponry.

The elves will rejoice though.

infravision

https://i.imgur.com/zq2zeYM.jpg

ultravision

https://i.imgur.com/U5YmRDz.jpg

human vision

https://i.imgur.com/HzX4INJ.jpg

Cue onslaught of shit posts..

"You motherfuckers ruined the goddamn game, I can't see shit at night!"

Can’T wAit for diS paTCh

Ghostly
09-10-2019, 07:59 AM
Just think, at some point the Devs talked about removing Pet Windows and limiting Hot Bars, and I'm sure there was talk about how pissed off everyone would be.

They still decided to implement it regardless of how their playerbase felt, and how many people would leave because they greatly reduced the playability of the game that people have been playing for years now.

People can harp on the "OMG ITS CLASSIC" bs, but that argument is becoming ridiculous. This server is not classic. It's not even close. Yeah, its got that "classic feel", but it is not classic, and this change doesn't make people say "OMG No pet window, and limited hotbars!! I totally have to play that server!!". It actually just alienates the playerbase and makes them choose to play other games. (incoming people yelling "It's not classic, its beta for classic, blah blah blah)

I'm sure the timing was thought about based on Green "launching" next month. "Well, we can piss everyone off by making that change we had talked about, but it will be negated a month later when we release green. And that is why the patch notes also included another hint that Green is coming next month. This is a pretty big mis-step in keeping players at the same time WoW Classic came out and players are already leaving.

vetia
09-10-2019, 08:09 AM
I made a new mage yesterday to check it out. I made hotkeys for /pet attack, /pet back and /pet follow.
Those worked OK for the kobold camps and stuff in the Gnome beginner area. I couldn't check my pet's health at a glance but had to target her/him/ve/(pronounce of choice).
I can see where it is going to be a female dog on my necro but will work with it or not. I can play my monk or ranger if I need game.

You can make a button or type "/pet health" at anytime to see the health

vetia
09-10-2019, 08:10 AM
I didn’t realise how much this would influence me until I realised that without pet window I have no pet health bar. I was contemplating mage necro and enchanter for green but not any more. I don’t want to play pet classes now.

That’s okay. I’m not demanding they revert the changes since this is obviously something they feel strongly about, but I wanted to at least voice that I am at least one person who now doesn’t want to play a pet class anymore.

Appreciate the server still. Thank you.

You can see pet health anytime with "/pet health" and make a button for it... or build it into your buttons for the other commands.

Mashugana
09-10-2019, 02:24 PM
For me it's not a "clicking pet commands issue" it's knowing when to heal my pet without needing to CLICK ON MY PET and then tabing back to the mob(s) or gate if shit is going south too fast. Furthermore, why the hell does it seem like so many people care so much who uses clicks for controlling their pet? If you don't like it then just use hot keys and turn off the pet window. What's wrong with personal preference, and why must you force your will on every one else?

feniin
09-10-2019, 04:28 PM
Rogean/Nilbog have stated many times that they don't care if you play or not, they're going to recreate classic EverQuest as best they can. Your cries of "but my pet window/hotbars" are falling on deaf ears. Adjust or move on. I hear Classic WoW is out.

JayDee
09-10-2019, 04:31 PM
Bookmarking this thread for when I make my triumphant return to p99 and inevitably get angered by this new change.

I have always been for small QoL improvements like spell sets (rip) and pet windows

Glasken
09-10-2019, 04:50 PM
People complaining on forums and in-game about a recent patch change?

That's classic.


Making macros for pet actions, health checks, etc...

That's classic.


I cannot WAIT for the night-vision fix. The salt will flow.

And that's classic.

Jadian
09-10-2019, 05:06 PM
Just think, at some point the Devs talked about removing Pet Windows and limiting Hot Bars, and I'm sure there was talk about how pissed off everyone would be.

They still decided to implement it regardless of how their playerbase felt, and how many people would leave because they greatly reduced the playability of the game that people have been playing for years now.

People can harp on the "OMG ITS CLASSIC" bs, but that argument is becoming ridiculous. This server is not classic. It's not even close. Yeah, its got that "classic feel", but it is not classic, and this change doesn't make people say "OMG No pet window, and limited hotbars!! I totally have to play that server!!". It actually just alienates the playerbase and makes them choose to play other games. (incoming people yelling "It's not classic, its beta for classic, blah blah blah)

I'm sure the timing was thought about based on Green "launching" next month. "Well, we can piss everyone off by making that change we had talked about, but it will be negated a month later when we release green. And that is why the patch notes also included another hint that Green is coming next month. This is a pretty big mis-step in keeping players at the same time WoW Classic came out and players are already leaving.


Dude. Go play Warcraft.

hillgiantchamp
09-10-2019, 05:14 PM
People complaining on forums and in-game about a recent patch change?

That's classic.


Making macros for pet actions, health checks, etc...

That's classic.


I cannot WAIT for the night-vision fix. The salt will flow.

And that's classic.

I remember my first toon was a barbarian shaman. I would get so lost going through the cave to black burrow. Was completely pitch black. Not the case here...

Jibartik
09-10-2019, 07:51 PM
wait is there no pet go away command? lol

fizzlefest
09-10-2019, 08:27 PM
I remember my first toon was a barbarian shaman. I would get so lost going through the cave to black burrow. Was completely pitch black. Not the case here...

Shaman's get Serpent Sight (infravision) at lvl 9.

GnomeCaptain
09-10-2019, 08:28 PM
The attraction of the game is the content: the art, the world, the lore.

It is not the UI.

And I suspect the restrictions of the original, 'classic' UI were due to a combination of technical limits and myopic developers.

Therefore, it makes little sense, and does not at all improve QOL, to shred the utility of various aspects of the UI in the name of 'classic.'

People are here for the challenge and immersion inherent to EQ, not for the UI.

I play Enchanter and don't care all that much about the change; I quickly made buttons and tend to pay attention so I know when my Charm has broken.

I simply don't understand why resources are devoted to UI changes when content can still be improved.

Want to bring back night-blindness? Fine with me! That's content.

Zuranthium
09-10-2019, 08:40 PM
I remember my first toon was a barbarian shaman. I would get so lost going through the cave to black burrow. Was completely pitch black. Not the case here...

Yeah, just finding Blackburrow was pretty epic. After awhile you'd get a feel for how the walls curved, or somewhat remember the layout after being able to pass through with a torch, but it was a challenge.

Jibartik
09-10-2019, 08:41 PM
The attraction of the game to some is the content: the art, the world, the lore.

and for some the UI.

So I respect these changes.



by altering your post just a little bit, I provided a counterargument to it.

Fammaden
09-10-2019, 08:47 PM
wait is there no pet go away command? lol

/pet get lost

Eris05
09-10-2019, 09:04 PM
My two cents: It's not that it made playing a necro easier, which it did, but the pet window made playing the class fun. I like classic, but I like fun more. I'd like to see the pet window come back.

Jibartik
09-10-2019, 09:18 PM
Im not gonna lie, I liked the pet window. I am playing a necromancer right now and yeah I definitely think its less fun and cumbersome to like select my pet and shit and all that stuff than it was with the pet window.

HOWEVER

I will bet you, that if I never knew the pet window existed, I would get really good at all these cumbersom things, and then have as much fun playing this game as I would have having never knew the pet window ever existed.

So considering this is a step towards classic, I say great! Lets keep marching!

Llandris
09-10-2019, 09:19 PM
Boy do I got news for you guys

Jibartik
09-10-2019, 09:19 PM
Well that's interesting sounding.

Mblake81
09-10-2019, 09:39 PM
The attraction of the game is the content: the art, the world, the lore.

It is not the UI.

UI is part of the art and interaction.

Jibartik
09-10-2019, 09:42 PM
/pet get lost

haha I remember this!

wow I just got a classic nostalgia flash thanks patch!

Domisk
09-10-2019, 09:44 PM
Prayers have been answered.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333558

Arvan
09-10-2019, 09:54 PM
Is this the first time in p99 history that whiners made R revert a classic change?

Seems like a dangerous precedent. . .

Mewse
09-10-2019, 10:26 PM
Is this the first time in p99 history that whiners made R revert a classic change?

Seems like a dangerous precedent. . .

When it came to the enforcement (or lack thereof) on Custom UI's, I did make a concious decision to limit that to Green, for multiple reasons: It was, in my opinion, a much more significant change; Custom UI's are in widespread usage; and most importantly, I considered Blue to be at a point in the timeline where Custom UI was not too far away, being only one patch behind Luclin release.

Having now evaluated both decisions, it did not make sense to me, personally, to continue to allow Custom UI's on blue, but not allow the Pet window, given that both changes occurred on the very same patch. Therefore, I am making a decision to re-enable the Pet window. There will be one caveat, however, and that is you will no longer be able to use the Pet window buttons while casting a spell. Also, be aware that this window will be disabled on Green, along with all Custom UI's.

Seems pretty clear why he made the change. If he were just appeasing the "whiners", he'd have brought back the hotbar too.

Legidias
09-10-2019, 11:08 PM
Personally I wish custom UI's were gone alongside pet window

Mblake81
09-11-2019, 05:14 AM
Seems pretty clear why he made the change. If he were just appeasing the "whiners", he'd have brought back the hotbar too.

Using the car restoration analogy its close enough, the spot of rust on the tailpipe doesn't need to be recreated.

Congrats pep classes, you got your gauge back. Fair enough.

Jimjam
09-11-2019, 05:41 AM
Yeah, but loosely fitted, badly shaped, hand beaten panels are part of the charm.

Mblake81
09-11-2019, 07:20 AM
I'm going to put this poll up. I want my pet window back. I don't care that it isn't classic. The internet I have now isn't classic either, and there isn't a download speed limiter installed where we all have to run at 56k dial-up speed and spend 5 minutes zoning in and out. The pet window isn't game-breaking, it isn't ruining my immersion in the experience, it's just a quality of life improvement that we enjoyed. There are a lot of bugs, including with spells and quests, that could have been tended to but instead the game was worsened by doing this.

I'm not going to play for a while, hopefully they'll change their minds and revert it back. I understand those wanting an authentic experience, but not everything about the original experience was good. Don't run off the player base you have.

Yes you can make hotkeys, I've already done so and it's not difficult. That's not the point. The pet window is better. Am I capable of digging a hole to go to the bathroom in outside my back door, yes I am. Do I want to over using a toilet? No, because we have toilets and why not use them.

Note: I don't feed trolls, so don't bother. If you want to waste your time browsing a forum to shoot down people's ideas, you're too sad for me to punch down at anyway.

It's been real, P99. :cool:

Thank you team for providing this entertainment and forums.

Ennewi
09-11-2019, 07:29 AM
The attraction of the game is the content: the art, the world, the lore.

It is not the UI.

And I suspect the restrictions of the original, 'classic' UI were due to a combination of technical limits and myopic developers.

Therefore, it makes little sense, and does not at all improve QOL, to shred the utility of various aspects of the UI in the name of 'classic.'

People are here for the challenge and immersion inherent to EQ, not for the UI.

I play Enchanter and don't care all that much about the change; I quickly made buttons and tend to pay attention so I know when my Charm has broken.

I simply don't understand why resources are devoted to UI changes when content can still be improved.

Want to bring back night-blindness? Fine with me! That's content.

EverQuest is a game of information and a game of actions based on that information.

Classic UIs limited the information you had access to in a single frame.

Only one chat window so if you wanted to see group chat, zonewide chat, and still fight in combat you had to filter out certain pieces of text so that you wouldn’t be spammed out. This reduced incoming information you may have access to for example you may not see someone else getting hit from a mob behind you.

Also, the original UI had a vanity window where players could see their character/behind their character. If the mouse wheel pov is ever removed from Project1999, having a quick rearview mirror would help significantly when fleeing camp or pulling, to know whether mobs were aggro'd onto you or another group member, without having to turn around and risk taking damage. As much as I like both views, being able to just mouse wheel way out or hit shift + t feels too easy.

Ruhtar
09-11-2019, 07:31 AM
Personally I wish custom UI's were gone alongside pet window

You can use the default UI and hide the pet window yourself. Your nostalgia is no longer ruined.

Jimjam
09-11-2019, 08:08 AM
Also, the original UI had a vanity window where players could see their character/behind their character. If the mouse wheel pov is ever removed from Project1999, having a quick rearview mirror would help significantly when fleeing camp or pulling, to know whether mobs were aggro'd onto you or another group member, without having to turn around and risk taking damage. As much as I like both views, being able to just mouse wheel way out or hit shift + t feels too easy.

Most people use the titles window for this function.

Perhaps the inventory 'rear view window' being missing is what made the title window avoid being nuked?

Dithien
09-11-2019, 08:15 AM
Personally I wish custom UI's were gone alongside pet window

It would be really nice if the forced UI’s will be scaled to new monitor resolutions. I use a 1440p monitor and I’m wondering how those old UI’s will look.

feniin
09-11-2019, 09:52 AM
Open a 640x480 image and stretch it to fill screen.

Cecil
09-11-2019, 10:37 AM
Open a 640x480 image and stretch it to fill screen.

Decoy
09-11-2019, 02:47 PM
Looks like we've got 'em back! https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333558

Thanks everybody for voting. Almost 200 people voted to get this window back, which is pretty significant considering the usual peak server times are around 1000 people.

We also learned something else important. Many of you really, really love refrigerators.

loramin
09-11-2019, 04:35 PM
Looks like we've got 'em back! https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333558

https://i.imgur.com/XRzmLYz.jpg

kebas239
09-13-2019, 02:17 AM
I'm going to put this poll up. I want my pet window back. I don't care that it isn't classic. The internet I have now isn't classic either, and there isn't a download speed limiter installed where we all have to run at 56k dial-up speed and spend 5 minutes zoning in and out.

Don't give them any ideas =)