How will a green/blue merger effect the blue economy?

[a_gnome_collector]

Thats a lot of manastones being added people :)

also more Circlets of Shadow and pre-nerf Elder Beads...

[Videri]

AFFECT

[Maker_Mayhem]

WTB HEBs 20k....Free Rubicite, hail the dark elf Druid @ T2

[Videri]

Just messing with ya. Intriguing question.

In 2023, when Green merges into blue, manastones, Circlets of Shadow, Holgresh Elder Beads, Moss Covered Twigs, Lockets of Escape, and other legacy items will appear on Blue. Some will be sold, but some won't. Consider: if you only acquired one manastone for your wizard, or one CoS for your necro, you wouldn't be likely to sell it, perhaps ever. People who farmed multiples will be the most likely sellers. The list mechanic may limit this to some extent.

Anyway, it's obvious prices will come down as supply will increase, but to what extent?

Also, remember that some Green players are playing NostalgiaQuest or HardmodeQuest. Will they even log into their characters after the merge? Why would they sell legacy items on a server they don't even want to play? Sometimes when you ask a question, there are other questions being skipped.

Another thing to consider is how will the inevitable merge affect the Green economy. If people know there will be a chance to sell an item in three years, how many will they hoard? How much will the Green economy revolve around the sale of items after the end of the whole timeline? Will we let the Great Merging distract us from enjoying our classic good time on Green?

[Jibartik]

If there were full transfers, at best green would add as many manastones as there are hologresh elder beads on blue.

Other than that, I don't think it would have much of an effect on it, as everything else will and can be farmed for the 3 years that it can be on green on blue as well.

So after 3 years of farming on green, you get all the items those players would have farmed on blue over the last 3 years + some legacy items

That's my pragmatic take on how it will effect the economy.

Maybe there will be 20 more Pre Nerf CoS's than there are now.

Not gonna change much. /shrug

[wmass413]

For any huge economic impact to occur, it would require a huge number of people who begin on Green next month (many of whom have been playing on Blue for years) to actually still be around 3+ years from now. What's the age of your average P99 player, thirtysomething? Interests change, circumstances change, life happens, and most people move on.

Also, Daybreak and Sony aren't idiots. I don't know the specifics of their agreement with the P99 devs but I'm sure from a legal/contractual standpoint, we're all clicking away on borrowed time.

[Jibartik]

I am sure by the time green merges into blue 90% of the dark elf guise players will be as active as those players are on blue today.

Meaning you likely will only see like 10% of the guises looted on green being used by players on blue, and maybe 1% at any given time.

[Endonde]

Prices are going to drop obviously, there will be less buyers available because many people will simply create Green characters to farm rare items with the /list feature instead of trying to buy them on Blue.

So more people selling trying to get their value out of items while they can, but less people buying because there will be another potentially easier way to acquire those items.

Merging the servers seems like it can only hurt blue, but I get the feeling they don't care that much about blue anymore anyway.

[Videri]

Prices are going to drop obviously, there will be less buyers available because many people will simply create Green characters to farm rare items with the /list feature instead of trying to buy them on Blue.

So more people selling trying to get their value out of items while they can, but less people buying because there will be another potentially easier way to acquire those items.

Merging the servers seems like it can only hurt blue, but I get the feeling they don't care that much about blue anymore anyway.

Don't you think it will reduce overcrowding of the raid environment on Blue?

[feniin]

Probably a lot of the legacy items on Blue will be retired before the server merges anyway. Probably not a huge net gain of active Manastones, CoS, and HEBs compared to what is active now. The tradeable warder loot and one off items like Ton Po's will be interesting, though.

[Endonde]

Don't you think it will reduce overcrowding of the raid environment on Blue?

To an extent maybe, but I think it will reduce numbers in the smaller more casual guilds, while the hardcore guilds continue to battle it out without much change. Also I'd say the top end raiding scene isn't nearly as congested as it used to be on Blue, I'd say it's probably half the amount of raiders in comparison to Velious launch, those characters are just in a smaller amount of guilds than they were before.

I think it really hurts the leveling scene on Blue though, I don't see why you would create a new character on Blue unless you are in a top raiding guild and just want another alt for raids.

The only real noticeable improvement I expect on blue is maybe some of the harder to camp items will be more easily camped, like Drusella Sathir, AC, A4, things like that.

[Gumbo]

The merger won't be happening until sometime in 2023, which is 4 years from now. Who knows how many people will still be playing 4 years from now?

[Sunderfury]

Personal preference (and I do stress personal), is that any legacy items (including things from Velious like HEBs) become no-drop upon merge.

Things already no-drop such as guise would be restricted to Old World (no Kunark, Velious).

[Kennie]

no merge, not now, not ever

[Endonde]

Personal preference (and I do stress personal), is that any legacy items (including things from Velious like HEBs) become no-drop upon merge.

Things already no-drop such as guise would be restricted to Old World (no Kunark, Velious).

This is a decent solution, I personally don't want legacy items transferred in at all, but making them no drop would be better than nothing.

[Kennie]

Very cheesy that Guises will be owned by characters brought to blue who are 10 or 11 years newer than characters native to blue that had/have no opportunity to ever get because they joined 8 months or so after the blue server was initially created. Max cheese factor and just a terrible idea.

[Quizlop]

Blue's going to be pretty irrelevant after Green comes out. They may as well make it a fun-server.

[Kennie]

The draw of green should be to start at an even playing field with everyone at the same time.

The draw of green should not be the opportunity to smuggle legacy items back to blue.

[Jibartik]

The draw of green should be to start at an even playing field with everyone at the same time.

The draw of green should not be the opportunity to smuggle legacy items back to blue.

Sweet sweet blood manastones coming right for ya.

https://i.imgur.com/r9tr5WB.gif

[loramin]

Very cheesy that Guises will be owned by characters brought to blue who are 10 or 11 years newer than characters native to blue that had/have no opportunity to ever get because they joined 8 months or so after the blue server was initially created. Max cheese factor and just a terrible idea.

Yes ... if your assessment of "cheese", and good or bad ideas, is based on whether your Blue-created (but after Classic era) character can get a Guise or Manastone.

On the other hand, if you care about ... you know ... the entire rest of the game ... then the tiny tiny detail of whether your Blue character, who "grew up" on a server with unclassic benefits, can ever get a classic pre-nerfed item, and only the players who "put in the effort" in a hard/classic environment can ... is of almost no significance.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

EvRy1 getSa guiSe!!!!

[Kennie]

Yes ... if your assessment of "cheese", and the game overall, is that what matters is whether your Blue-created (but after Classic era) character can get a Guise or Manastone.

On the other hand, if you care about ... you know ... the entire rest of the game ... then the tiny tiny detail of whether your Blue character, who "grew up" on a server with unclassic benefits, can ever get a classic pre-nerfed item (and only the players who "put in the effort" in a hard/classic environment can) ... is of almost no significance.
Keep it on that hard/classic environment then. Pretty simple.

[Jibartik]

Blue is a broken server, with massive amounts of duping cheating exploiting and super toxic behavior on an industrial scale for over a decade.

You are walk'n around in Chernobyl thinking that you're standing in some pristine wilderness, but if you dig 6 inches into the ground you'll find the nasty most toxic shit on earth.

Wiping it clean would be more fitting end for such a realm.

Go ahead and stay on blue, "You've ruined your own lands, you'll not ruin green99!" :)

[Daud]

Was really hoping for no merge or at least only characters.

I didn't want green to just feel like a big farming session for blue. It's not the end of the world or anything, it just changes the dynamic for both servers in a disappointing way. I'm not personally invested in legacy items beyond one set of beads and a pre-nerf CoS, and I'm not planning on selling either so their value isn't a big concern to me, but I feel bad for people who put in a ton of work to buy things like fungus staves and manastones when staff have always maintained these items will never drop on blue again; which is no longer true in a round about way. I know 4 years is quite a bit of time, but just blowing off that all that effort doesn't sit well with me, either. I know a lot of "have nots" won't empathize with the "haves" on this one, but I thought it was always kinda cool there was some prestige to having some legacy items, especially guise, from the times past or GM events, even if I didn't have one.

[Jibartik]

All the folks that are unsure about joining green now, will be all the have nots of the future. So thanks guys, for making my transfered manastone and guise feel that much more special in 4 years 8)

[Chortles Snort|eS]

It’s not fair that me only got to play Kunark beta for 7 years

Boo hoo

[GnomeCaptain]

Pretty hilarious how negative people can be.

Free EQ servers from a great team, providing a new novel experience.

And people are dreaming up problems that will probably never happen, and if they do they won't occur within four years.

"I've had a lot of worries in my life, most of which never happened."
- Mark Twain

[Kennie]

Pretty hilarious how negative people can be.

Free EQ servers from a great team, providing a new novel experience.

And people are dreaming up problems that will probably never happen, and if they do they won't occur within four years.

"I've had a lot of worries in my life, most of which never happened."
- Mark Twain

*This opinion based on joining in 2018

[Zalus]

*This opinion based on joining in 2018

/agree with GnomeCaptain

*This opinion based on joining in 2010

[Chortles Snort|eS]

Pretty hilarious how negative people can be.

Free EQ servers from a great team, providing a new novel experience.

And people are dreaming up problems that will probably never happen, and if they do they won't occur within four years.

"I've had a lot of worries in my life, most of which never happened."
- Mark Twain

/agree
*This opinion based on joining in 2011

[Dwitt]

So how do you deal with a a full slate of Blue toons and and you have a buncha Green toons, a second account that can't be logged in at the same time as the first?

[Bbeta]

Blue's going to be pretty irrelevant after Green comes out. They may as well make it a fun-server.

double negatives are positive?