Stupid Ever-Everquest question.

[Jibartik]

Say I wanted to level a darkelf shaman using a guise and a manastone in the classic era, but I get to 50 before I get either of those?

So what if after I did manage to get those items I just de-leveled back to the start and kept only my guise/spellbook and manastone, and went to my guild trainer, bought a club and a cloth tunic, 5 muffins and 5 waters and started again from scratch.

Then that got me thinking..

What class/race combo would gain the most advantage from its skills, spellbook, stats and other innate attributes having already leveled to 60 if it were to start again from scratch at level 1?

[Domo]

pros of an Ogre Shaman:
- you are fat and can troll around :)
- you have the most basic stamina
- you cant be stuned from the front

pros of an Troll Shaman
- you are fat and can troll around :)
- you have the best HP regenration in the game

pros of an Barbarian Shaman
- best basic wisdom of these three
- the only Shaman who can enter "good" citys
- least exp penalty
- you can shrink yourself like the others, but you dont have to do as often as the other 2 races.

[Videri]

What class/race combo would gain the most advantage from its skills, spellbook, stats and other innate attributes having already leveled to 60 if it were to start again from scratch at level 1?

A couple thoughts:
• Classes that have research spells would be all set - nice from level 16-49. As a mage, you'd have all 4 pets at every pet level. As a necromancer, you could memorize Harmshield at 20 and never forget it. As a wizard, you could quad from level 8 onward if you wanted.
• Melee classes would have every skill already maxed out every time they level up. I bet this would especially help warriors (who might want to use an assortment of weapons) and rogues (getting backstab only to have it miss every time is a let-down).
• Suppose you got a mage epic...remember it's a spell, not an item. Once your mage hit 46 again, you'd have your epic again. XD

[Pootle]

I remember back in the day on PvP Vallon Zek server, there was a rog who deleveled with all his skills maxed. I seem to recall there was a time when the rog epuc didnt have a level restriction to weild it, so that was pretty uber if you deleveld back down.

[elwing]

I remember back in the day on PvP Vallon Zek server, there was a rog who deleveled with all his skills maxed. I seem to recall there was a time when the rog epuc didnt have a level restriction to weild it, so that was pretty uber if you deleveld back down.

I remember of forstegut, deleveled epiced sk... Funny pvp guy at time... I remember him just trying to block hhp fir other team, not chasing people just closing the pass...

[Domo]

oh, I missunderstand the question. Sorry, my bad.

[Jibartik]

haha np domo 8)

Yea mage would be nice, the epic that's a great point.

Melee would really get advantage of their offensive and defensive skills..

Do you get anything, I mean anything, besides skills and a spellbook f you de-level? IIRC the skills are capped like 20 levels higher than your current level too, so its not too much of an advantage..

Its a stupid question I know but I had to ask lol

[Sonderbeast]

Why would a shaman need manastone. Ur smelly and lazy and your nose is quite large!

[Jibartik]

cus things are fun

[Jadian]

I remember back in the day on PvP Vallon Zek server, there was a rog who deleveled with all his skills maxed. I seem to recall there was a time when the rog epuc didnt have a level restriction to weild it, so that was pretty uber if you deleveld back down.

Wasn't that Wiggo?

[soronil]

haha np domo 8)

IIRC the skills are capped like 20 levels higher than your current level too, so its not too much of an advantage..


So lets say you're a monk and de-level to 1, you still have 30 offence and 30 defense skill (and weapon skills?) (level 1 cap of 10+20)... Is that true??

In that case I think monk would be the most OP. Fighting even cons you miss a lot and get hit a lot due to these skills. let's say at level 40 (that's what level I am right now on my SK), a mob 2 levels under is very tough, while a mob 6 levels under is relatively easy.. I'm pretty sure this is due to the mobs atk/def vs my atk/def, my skills being primarly based on level (Assuming i got no new gear)

So, if you go the whole way to 50 with skills 4 character levels higher than they are supposed to be, melee classes seem to benefit from that the most. Monks are the least gear dependent melee characters, so I pick them.

[Jibartik]

God damn monk winning all the stupid everquest competitions!

[arsenalpow]

I remember of forstegut, deleveled epiced sk... Funny pvp guy at time... I remember him just trying to block hhp fir other team, not chasing people just closing the pass...

Dude didn’t have an epic, it was always a WS and a shield

[Jibartik]

Thats what I love about eq pvp.

It adds so many new strats to the game.

Being a giant, can be a value on red?? isn't that cool!

[Lojik]

Heres a dumb one, I'm sure someone in this thread is going to enjoy this. Do all possible pet names have the same probability for occurring when a pet is summoned? Or are some names more common/rare? Konekn or Jibartik for instance.

[Jibartik]

Laser has to be the rarest.

And the coolest.

And that's coming from someone who chose Jibartik as a user name lol

[Lojik]

Laser has to be the rarest.

And the coolest.

And that's coming from someone who chose Jibartik as a user name lol

Is it rare or you just notice when you get it versus randomletterassortmentvariety99-1000? Is Laser a lot rarer than Goner?

[Jibartik]

Haha how could I forget about Goner.

Laser Goner would be my vote for best name on G99

[Troxx]

I like necro pets names boner.

Or is that not classic? On live when you eventually could give your pet a static name my necro chose Boner.

Because I am mature.

And cool.

[Sonark]

I remember back in the day on PvP Vallon Zek server, there was a rog who deleveled with all his skills maxed. I seem to recall there was a time when the rog epuc didnt have a level restriction to weild it, so that was pretty uber if you deleveld back down.1.0s having a level requirement to equip is specific to p99.

Any level can equip them on Live.

Usually,, but not in all cases, there are level restricted hand-ins, and all the procs and clickies are likewise level restricted.

I did the epic on a level 37 Shaman on Live in 2017, all MQ'd, but trying the same on a level 1 Monk in 2018 and I couldn't do the final hand-in because I was too low of a level.

I am pretty sure the Warrior epic can still be completed at level 1, but of the other classes I had epic pieces for and wanted to do the epics on, I leveled up to 46 "just in case" before doing them; in the case of my Paladin, I had to, because the final hand-in was in Fear.

EDIT: Live also has restrictions on how far you can delevel from experience loss/Essence Emeralds, but I don't remember what that is. I do know there is no experience loss upon death until level 10 on Live.

[Sonark]

Basically, poopsock neckbeards (most of p99) knew most any class could do all the hand-ins and such and have level 1s with epics, so the devs (wisely, however unclassically) implemented a level requirement to even equip the things.