Talk me out of playing Classic WoW

[Hagglebaron]

I'm deciding between the two, and definitely only have the patience for one of them. Pre-Planes EQ is my favorite game of all time, however I did Blue99 from year one until just a few years ago, while WoW classic would be new to me.

Help me decide on Green99 please, if you genuinely believe WoW to be severely flawed! My current thinking is that WoW Classic is still heading towards the garbage I know the game becomes, I don't know how long WoW stayed good after launch though.

[Evia]

Wow classic is fantastic. I’d recommend it even more so because you haven’t played it.

[El-Hefe]

They’re both good games. New WoW is significantly better than new EQ. Classic EQ is legendary though and there will never be a better time to experience it again than on Green.

You could probably get a level 60 on WoW before Green lauches if you start right now.

[overpower]

WoW Classic is truly the best of all versions of wow, arguably next to Wrath expansion.

Green will be cool, but still no PVP, and the PVP we have (due to mechanics) ends up being a fight of resists and jousting.

I love EQ, but PVP in this game is lame AF, everything else is top notch here.

Sorta hate the random timers on world bosses though, makes a real life hard to attain for a game of leisure...

[Jadian]

I thought I could get into WoW classic, had never played any warcraft game since WC3 bnet days.

It's just everquest with all the good (most complained about) parts removed. Couldn't do it. Quit in 2 weeks.

[overpower]

I thought I could get into WoW classic, had never played any warcraft game since WC3 bnet days.

It's just everquest with all the good (most complained about) parts removed. Couldn't do it. Quit in 2 weeks.

To be fair, thats like playing p99 and quitting at lvl 10, you won't get anything out of it, but /respect none the less.

[vetia]

even classic wow sucks. it's too easy and ripped off eq anyway. eq is better high fantasy, and eq requires actual strategy and sacrifice so you become truly invested. try classic wow for a bit and you'll come back. you know. that's why you made this post. you're welcome.

[Vx36]

I was playing vanilla wow private servers for bit and those are much closer to the EQ experience. I tried classic wow and it was far easier than private servers plus layering makes it simple to join multiple versions of the same zone to collect supposedly rare materials and boss loot.

However PvP is done a lot better than anything EQ has, especially once they enable the honor system. The only downside to it is people already have access raid gear quite easily so be ready to get stomped for a while.

[soronil]

WoW is a great game. If you've never played it, i would play live instead of classic. Most of their quality of life changes are good (versus everquest). You'll experience the content faster, all the low level quests are much better than they are on classic.

If you really want traditional D&D high fantasy, mostly want to play in groups, get to know people, make friends, don't mind sitting at the same camp for long periods of time, and just experience the nostalgia of everquest, then play green. The people that are playing everquest are a different breed than the ones playing wow. That's for sure. (Yes there is some overlap. Many people here are playing both. Wow Classic is something to do between spawns on everquest. Gems 2.0)

[JayDee]

Go play or dont play. Either way you probably wont be playing by 2020

[aaezil]

WoW is a little kid game

[Kubaton]

Wow wasnt good for every long..

People like me ruined it for everyone else..

My actions caused nerfs. =)

low lvl characters killing lvl40s + ... lol

Single manning a 3man pvp arena..

Stuff like that =)

ps.. agree with Aaezil

[Hagglebaron]

Which expansion killed WoW? How long did classic WoW stay good, like does WoW have it's own version of Planes of Power?

[Hagglebaron]

Go play or dont play. Either way you probably wont be playing by 2020

Can you elaborate please?

[Tethler]

Which expansion killed WoW? How long did classic WoW stay good, like does WoW have it's own version of Planes of Power?

Burning Crusade and WotLK were both great, but I feel like it went downhill after that and went for the ezmode crap (like saving tokens for raid quality gear instead of getting the actual drops). I quit like 2 or 3 months into Cataclysm.

[Evia]

Cataclysm is wows version of planes of power. Much like EQ it was best with its two first expansions and it nosedived from there.

[Deathrydar]

To the OP:

I just came from Classic WoW. I got a warrior to level 47. I am in a good guild with good peeps, but it just isn't doing it for me. I played EQ back in 1999 till 2004, and then went to WoW. I played Wow until it became complete crap and even hung in there till WoTLK, which sucked as well. I also played on this server back in 2009 till around late 2010.

I was so excited bout Classic WoW. I took a week off from work to play it. But the game is different from classic EQ, my friend. So I will try to explain myself and perhaps you can relate. Ya see, it all comes down to the community.

The majority of the population on classic WoW is rushing to level 60. It's a mad dash to the finish line. Which makes little sense as classic WoW's leveling experience was content among it's own! Why anyone would want to rush to the max level without enjoying the ride is beyond me. But a fact is a fact- Most WoW players believe that the level 1-60 grind is nothing but an obstacle to get to the "real game", which is the raiding scene.

The majority of the population on classic WoW are anti-social. I can't tell you how many groups I was randomly invited to, only to have it either break up shortly after the objective was complete, or the group would have players going in and out of the group as they completed their quest and they left to go hand it in and we would take on another player that needed the quest items. No one even talks to each other.

The majority of the population on classic WoW are min-maxers. There are so many people talking about how "Druids can't tank" and "you have to be a Dwarf of you're going to be a priest", and as a result, everyone is talking numbers and DPS and TPS and all sorts of other nonsense! If you're like me, that is NOT what brought you to this kind of game! I am here for the community and the fun that this all brings as I can let go of my real-life problems and live thru my character for a short while.

I could go on like this forever, and I am not bashing classic WoW, it is just different. In classic WoW, when I logged on, I was in constant conflict with myself. Would I be able to raid? Will I get to level 60 fast enough to not be left in the dust? When I log on to Project 1999, I am just thinking about other things. I am sitting down somewhere and reading /ooc chat and trying to help people. In classic WoW, I went back into Elwynn Forest around level 40 to see if any of the lower level players needed help. I helped about ten different groups kill Hogger, and not ONE of those groups /thanked me, or even said thank you.

I don't expect them to say thank you, as that is not the goal of my assistance to them, I just would like some damn human interaction!

So on Sunday, I logged off from classic WoW and decided that I would log on to Project 1999 for the first time in years and years. I was so worried that I was going to fall behind more than I already am in classic WoW. I would have to say that didn't even go thru my mind once I was logged in and looking around for my guildmaster. I couldn't even find my guildmaster, I wound up giving my note to the wrong NPC and lost it, and did not get my newbie robe.

I didn't even care, nor did I miss classic WoW even for one minute. The difference in community was noticed! I was buffed and helped by multiple players in my 3 hours of play yesterday in Project 1999. I have still yet to be helped in Classic WoW, even though I try to request help thru the cesspool which is known as their LFG chat.

Once again, it comes down to community. Who do you want to be surrounded by? Thousands and thousands of players looking towards the end of the game, with only their own interests in mind? Listening to players gargle out numbers of encounters? Do you really think Blizzard is going to be able to get rid of layering before phase 2? Nope! They severely underestimated the interest in classic and they dropped the ball as far as how many servers they released!

The madness in classic WoW is never going to stop! It is never going to get better! That community is different than this community.

Which one do you want so spend your free time in? Good luck!

[Deathrydar]

Cataclysm is wows version of planes of power. Much like EQ it was best with its two first expansions and it nosedived from there.

I disagree. TBC and WoTLK is nothing even comparable to RUins of Kunark and Scars of Velious! Verant kept the game on a horizontal progression as opposed to Blizzard's vertical progression. TBC made old world content and old world zones irrelevant. That is how you ruin a game! The reason why this era in EQ's history is so popular and well received is due to the fact that the the first two expansions of EQ, everything is still relevant!

[Chortles Snort|eS]

Me LoveD vaNillA woW during erA buT 4eva Quit In TBC launch
Me caNt brinG seLf to Play clAssIc woW yet me fuN stiLl In p1999 In .2019
CRaZy, me kNo!!!

[Jimjam]

Wow classic is fantastic. I’d recommend it even more so because you haven’t played it.

I never played Wow until a few weeks ago, where I tried out the Classic server.

Honestly, the first 30 minutes were amazing; it was like a second experience of being brand new to EQ! I have fizzled out by the end of the teens, but it was great having the chance to play 'the real second everquest' on a fresh unexpanded server.

The experience really invigorated me to play even more EQ, which with green around the corner is surely a good thing!

[Deathrydar]

I never played Wow until a few weeks ago, where I tried out the Classic server.

Honestly, the first 30 minutes were amazing; it was like a second experience of being brand new to EQ! I have fizzled out by the end of the teens, but it was great having the chance to play 'the real second everquest' on a fresh unexpanded server.

The experience really invigorated me to play even more EQ, which with green around the corner is surely a good thing!

One thing I always despised on WoW was the fact that the game tells ME what an item is. For instance, the game tells ME that a certain sword is "epic" because the color of the weapon's name is purple. Here, we don't need the game to tell us that a weapon is epic.....we know it by looking at the stats. The item becomes "epic" because the community says the weapon is epic!

[pink grapefruit]

you should def play wow classic. if you're playing eq on a pve server, wow is a much better game. and play it until u find a real guild and start doing dungeon crawls w ur pals

[Meiva]

I'm not playing much, but I'm at lvl 49 classic WoW. Enjoying it a lot on a PvP server. Still.. I can't wait to shelve it the moment Green launches.

I plan to play both. EQ offers plenty of opportunity to play passively while still making gains. You probably dont have to pick one over the other. There will be plenty of time to play WoW while camping that one lvl 3 a decaying skeleton repop on launch day. Starter zones gonna be such a beautiful mess!

[Tenagra]

I'm finding it takes longer to level in classic wow vs EQ, at least up until 50.

[Jimjam]

Wow classic was a big joke, all they did was download a core from another private server and apply recent textures and add dungeon finder.

Ragnaros was killed 5 days into the server release and 30 players that were not even 60 killed it, anyone playing is a loser.

All content is a dumbed down joke, each server is infested with stay at home sons and sickies who cant wait to get stupid tier whatever gear and jump at the bank. Go ahead and play if you want to spend a week in westfall killing gnolls just to get to 20.

i wont say anything postive about green either because there is no pvp, that means people will just fight at every camp about everything. Expect to be 50th in line at the frenzy camp for what, a shitty sash in 2019?

PVP Solves problems : )

Oh and those stay at home sons have an autistic mastery of the game after spending 16 hours on it daily. On p1999 people are generally pretty accomadating to newbs, but on wow these autists can't even conceive someone doesn't have an encyclopedic knowledge of the game. They treat a level 17 dungeon as cutting esge content requiring the toppest spec minmax... it don't matter if a paladin is speced for heal or tank when they only have earnt 8 or 9 talent points so far.

[Deathrydar]

Real conversation I had with another player just before I stopped playing Classic WoW this past Sunday...

*I was going into ZF (a dungeon in Tanaris)*
Party leader: "You don't have Mortal Strike?"
Me: "Not yet."
Party Leader: "Why not?"
Me: ".......what do you mean why not? I put my talent points into Cruelty so I am 5 points behind in Arms."
Party Leader: "That's why you re-spec at level 40."
Me: "I don't want to respec."

*You have been removed from the group*

This crap really happens...

[Mead]

Real conversation I had with another player just before I stopped playing Classic WoW this past Sunday...

*I was going into ZF (a dungeon in Tanaris)*
Party leader: "You don't have Mortal Strike?"
Me: "Not yet."
Party Leader: "Why not?"
Me: ".......what do you mean why not? I put my talent points into Cruelty so I am 5 points behind in Arms."
Party Leader: "That's why you re-spec at level 40."
Me: "I don't want to respec."

*You have been removed from the group*

This crap really happens...

You didn't make the cut

[Deathrydar]

You didn't make the cut

I see that. Poor me. I wish I could be 1337 liek they r.

[Danth]

Can't talk you out of it, but if you play there understand you're getting a dumbed-down version based on the 1.12 patch period, not launch-era Warcraft. The game is generally easier than at launch, characters tend to be more powerful with the revised talent trees, and many dungeons (especially at higher levels) are MUCH easier than original. Understand that regardless of what they call it, it's NOT classic--launch era--warcraft. It's more like warcraft-lite.

Longer term, it'd be nice if Blizzard does what Jagex did with the old-style Runescape servers, and allows development to proceed in a totally different direction than the original did. I'd REALLY like to see World of Warcraft as it was originally meant to be, circa 2001-2002.

Danth

[Clazxiss]

Tons of edgy comments in here about why you shouldn't play classic WoW.

I want you to notice something. Go to https://www.project1999.com/ right now and have a look at the population. As I write this response to you, there are 716 people on blue. Two months ago, just before classic WoW released, the average number was around 1,200 or so. For summertime, that's an expected number since some P99 players enjoy going outside instead of playing EQ. During colder months, the Blue99 population has been up to 1,800 this past year.

If P99 was truly the superior game to WoW, it would not have lost more than half it's active population. The vocal members you see in this thread, bashing WoW, are the ones most desperate to see their P99 home maintain warm bodies. For without an audience to show their pixel achievements to, can you really them achievements?

Go ahead and play Classic WoW. It's fun and there is a distinct reason it ROFL stomped Everquest and became, to this day, the most subscribed MMORPG of all time. I won't list them all here, no need to. The biggest change between playing EQ and WoW is not having to sink hours of time into a multitude singular tasks. You won't be asked to track rare monster X over 1-72 hours. If you get into a serious issue such as death in the middle of no where, you can still salvage your gear BY YOURSELF. You won't have to beg friends at bedtime to get your corpse and XP back. Again, there's more reasons, but those are the first things that come to my mind.

The most vocal supporters of EQ tend to be players who are already at the top of the gear pyramid. Ask yourself this, do you want to see the end game content of the title you decide to play? Yes? If so, which sounds better; joining a raid at a set time to kill boss X or waiting for a text message that will require you to drop everything you're doing to kill that same monster? The text message could happen while you're sleeping or at work, but once you get it, you have a small window to get that monster before your rivals do.

Which game style is more attractive?

Depending on your answer, that should determine which game you should play.

[Modwolf]

I'm on classic for the nostalgia & pvp. Fun to play until green comes out. We will be back; who can miss the flawless green launch.

[Lune]

Tons of edgy comments in here about why you shouldn't play classic WoW.

I want you to notice something. Go to https://www.project1999.com/ right now and have a look at the population. As I write this response to you, there are 716 people on blue. Two months ago, just before classic WoW released, the average number was around 1,200 or so. For summertime, that's an expected number since some P99 players enjoy going outside instead of playing EQ. During colder months, the Blue99 population has been up to 1,800 this past year.

If P99 was truly the superior game to WoW, it would not have lost more than half it's active population. The vocal members you see in this thread, bashing WoW, are the ones most desperate to see their P99 home maintain warm bodies. For without an audience to show their pixel achievements to, can you really them achievements?

Go ahead and play Classic WoW. It's fun and there is a distinct reason it ROFL stomped Everquest and became, to this day, the most subscribed MMORPG of all time. I won't list them all here, no need to. The biggest change between playing EQ and WoW is not having to sink hours of time into a multitude singular tasks. You won't be asked to track rare monster X over 1-72 hours. If you get into a serious issue such as death in the middle of no where, you can still salvage your gear BY YOURSELF. You won't have to beg friends at bedtime to get your corpse and XP back. Again, there's more reasons, but those are the first things that come to my mind.

The most vocal supporters of EQ tend to be players who are already at the top of the gear pyramid. Ask yourself this, do you want to see the end game content of the title you decide to play? Yes? If so, which sounds better; joining a raid at a set time to kill boss X or waiting for a text message that will require you to drop everything you're doing to kill that same monster? The text message could happen while you're sleeping or at work, but once you get it, you have a small window to get that monster before your rivals do.

Which game style is more attractive?

Depending on your answer, that should determine which game you should play.

I like Classic WoW but you should ask yourself if convenience and being comparatively softcore is truly the reason Classic is preferable to EQ when convenience, taken to its extreme, is ultimately a primary part of what makes retail so bad.

Everquest: I love the way this sucks.
Classic WoW: I love the way this sucks.
Retail WoW: This sucks.

For me, the appeal of Classic WoW over EQ is the breadth of features, like PvP, which was implemented horribly in EQ as an afterthought. Still somewhat of an afterthought in Classic, but still miles ahead since we have 1.12. That said, compare and contrast EQ and Classic all you want, they are different beasts entirely, and they scratch a different itch for me. Like talking about whether a car or bicycle is better.

[Mead]

Play whatever makes you happy bud. These kids will write a thesis on why they hate literally anything on these forums. Check post history. Play wow classic for a bit, get what you need out of it, and if you aren’t getting any enjoyment then you can always go back to blue and green when it launches. Or keep enjoying it and forget the opinion of a bunch of randos on an elf sim forum. Blue is capped at velios and green will eventually merge into blue. You literally have forever in the same eras to come back to.

[Deathrydar]

As I write this response to you, there are 716 people on blue. Two months ago, just before classic WoW released, the average number was around 1,200 or so. For summertime, that's an expected number since some P99 players enjoy going outside instead of playing EQ.

If P99 was truly the superior game to WoW, it would not have lost more than half it's active population.

There are currently over 1,000 players online. I'm not too good at math, but last time I checked:

1,200- 50% does not = 1,000....

[gundumbwing]

It's weird how there is some misinformation in this thread about wow classic in what I can only assume are petty attempts at trolling or perhaps willful ignorance. Dungeon finder will never be in classic WoW as an example (not sure where your drug attled mind came up with conclusion).

Classic WoW is only "easier" in the sense they improved on ever single inconvenience that exists in EQ. The game aren't even realistically comparable as they are two entirely different MMOs. The PvP alone is where WoW shines, and why there's a plethora of highly populated PvP servers as opposed to a single dead one.

Both games offer different flavors. It's worth trying WoW just likes it worth trying EQ. The only evidence i can provide as to which game holds the popular vote of being better is the much larger number of servers that have over 1000 to even 10k players at peak for some servers online at a time compared to a single blue server that's now barely hitting 1k at primetime.

EQ is good. WoW classic is good. Dead Space was one of the best games ever made. Play whatever ya enjoy. But you'll never know personally how good/bad a game is unless you draw a conclusion from personal experience.

[BlackBellamy]

I tried out WoW Classic just like I tried out EQ Progression so I could get a little nostalgia kick before Green comes out. I played WoW for like a year back in the day, got to 60, got bored and left.

For me, WoW is a fine game but it's too easy. It tells you everything and there are a million add-ons for the rest. Here is your quest giver, here is where they drop, this is the map with all the icons. I go PvP, I hear a ding when an enemy gets into range, I get his name, class, level on a nice pop-up, he's got the same info. There are tons of mobs everywhere, just right on top of each other, and they respawn every 10 seconds. I get outraged when I get to a camp and the named isn't up, what the hell is this!? The only death penalty is some coin, maybe. Every class can solo to 60 easily. And I don't mean with some effort. I mean semi-afk button mashing. I never stop killing. I'm a warrior, why would I need a group for? I got potions, bandages, food, my downtime is the sit and stand animation. You can get great gear from easy quests. There are flight paths, boats and zeppelins everywhere. It just goes on and on.

It comes down to personal preference for what style appeals to you. I need risk and I need a slower pace.

[gundumbwing]

I tried out WoW Classic just like I tried out EQ Progression so I could get a little nostalgia kick before Green comes out. I played WoW for like a year back in the day, got to 60, got bored and left.

For me, WoW is a fine game but it's too easy. It tells you everything and there are a million add-ons for the rest. Here is your quest giver, here is where they drop, this is the map with all the icons. I go PvP, I hear a ding when an enemy gets into range, I get his name, class, level on a nice pop-up, he's got the same info. There are tons of mobs everywhere, just right on top of each other, and they respawn every 10 seconds. I get outraged when I get to a camp and the named isn't up, what the hell is this!? The only death penalty is some coin, maybe. Every class can solo to 60 easily. And I don't mean with some effort. I mean semi-afk button mashing. I never stop killing. I'm a warrior, why would I need a group for? I got potions, bandages, food, my downtime is the sit and stand animation. You can get great gear from easy quests. There are flight paths, boats and zeppelins everywhere. It just goes on and on.

It comes down to personal preference for what style appeals to you. I need risk and I need a slower pace.

This is some accurate information here, and why the games are so widely different in gameplay. But also innacurate stuff.

There is no ding when a enemy gets into range, unless you count a spell or ability hitting you. If there's an add-on for that...never heard of it and would never use it so that's your fault if you did. Addons are akin to using Gina and custom UIs in EQ which literally do what you described. I however spot allies perfectly fine with my eyes and prevent ganks by sheer skill if I do indeed get caught unaware, apparently even then using this possibly existing add-on you speak of since I've died only once to pvp against a squad of 5.

Soloing to max level is in a sense as easy as in EQ. Some classes level slower and if you are choosing to solo as a cleric(EQ)/priest(WoW) instead of doing all the group related content that exists at every single level bracket, thats a personal choice not a leveling requirement. Leveling slowly based on badly designed mechanics isn't an indication of difficulty. Slow doesn't = Hard, it just = being slow.

In very few areas I have experienced mobs respawn within 10-20 seconds, I feel this is a bug because I've leveled in those areas religiously in the original classic wow and never had that happen. It's typically a few minutes between spawns, many times being 6 to 8 mins which is the same in many EQ leveling areas. Bandage was OP in classic wow and still is new version, true.

You can solo just fine as a warrior with with bind wound and potions in EQ, if just takes longer and again, that would be your decision to do something that silly. That's a quality of life change wow did to not alienate an entire class to be nothing more then liability in group/solo settings till max level, a decision based on fun and convenience. We all know leveling a warrior in EQ isn't hard difficulty wise. It's "hard" to have the patience to level so damn slow and frustrating being so useless at doing what hybrid tanks can do a thousand times better until the raid scene hits, unless you are twinked to high heaven.

Traveling in classic wow takes longer then EQ. Most zones in EQ are smaller in scale then WoW zones. There isn't a spell like sow that's castable on all characters. There isn't an item like jboots. There isn't even a spell like levitate that also speeds up travel time. There are boats that take longer then zeps, true, but again the zone scaling difference offsets it imo. Both games have porters, though EQ gets access to group ports sooner then Wow. And like in EQ, you can get a mage port to circumvent it.

I'm personally leaning towards you just seem to be biased towards EQ so much it's blinding you. But you are absolutely correct on one thing, it's 100% personal preference on whay appeals to you. That's why I play both. I'm a sucker for damn good games, like Dead Space.

[JayDee]

There are currently over 1,000 players online. I'm not too good at math, but last time I checked:

1,200- 50% does not = 1,000....

Also, correlation does not imply causation. Part of the decline is due to Green.

Can you elaborate please?

Most of the people playing have done private servers to death. They novelty of an official server will wear off and many people will leave because of the redundancy, if not the sharding and other changes they've made that players did not ask for.

But if it looks fun, go for it! Still a great game imo

[Deathrydar]

One of the main reasons I left Wow Classic was the community, and that is nearly all Blizzard's fault. They underestimated how popular classic would be, even though they were told over, and over, and over again, and they released a very small amount of servers and relied on this thing called "Layering" to bail them out later when "the population fell off", which they predicted would be two or three weeks after launch.

The population is still growing in classic WoW, and there are no signs of it stopping. The layering makes it so horrible as you don't see everyone on your server. You can be in the same zone as someone on your server, talking to them, and you won't see them unless you invite them to a group and get on their "layer" with them.

I was trying to buy an axe off someone in Stormwind last week and we both forgot about the layering and were standing in front of each other, but couldn't see each other. Anyway, part of the draw to classic WoW for me was the community. But it's not much of a community feel when you never, ever see the same players more than once. There are over 5,000 players per server on classic WoW, and Blizzard stated before launch that they would remove layering by the 2nd patch, which would be about 3 months after launch.

That was Blizzard's promise when the community went up in arms about layering. There is no way that they are going to be able to do that with the amount of players per server at the current moment. They should have made more servers at launch and worried about the "population decline" later. They did nothing but make it worse.

But on top of that, I never realized how much of a difference 1.1 WoW was compared to 1.12.1. It is VERY easy! I played on private servers from 2010 on and I was under the impression classic WoW was more difficult than what it is, but it wasn't. 1.12.1 is a dumbed down version of the classic version of what was a great game. You can practically sleep while you play the game.

And I see a lot of people citing the "quality of life changes" that Blizzard made to WoW that improves some things over EverQuest. While I sort of agree that they are quality of life changes, they are exactly the sort of thing that kills the MMORPG genre. I always believed that they should make another genre of the MMORPG genre because there weren't any after Dark Age of Camelot.

When you reduce downtime, it may be a good thing, but you eliminate the time it takes to have a decent amount of human interaction. When I was playing WoW classic, I didn't even have time to get up and get something to drink. It's fast and it's chaotic. Some people may like that, but I believe that the actual core of the MMORPG community does not. When you trade quality for convenience, you get the MMORPGs that exist today.

The game is not supposed to be easy! Where was this train of thought conjured from? Challenge is what keeps people logging on! The type of player that wants to play the type of game on a mobile device now plagues our genre. And make no mistake about it, this is OUR genre! It was just hijacked by money. I guess there was nothing we can do about it and it was inevitable, but that doesn't mean I have to to be happy with it.

WoW classic is also all about numbers and cookie cutting. I have already made several posts in this thread about how I was shunned from groups because I did not put my talent points into the talents that the WoW community deems appropriate. There are six races that can be a Priest in WoW classic (Wow classic's main healer) but only one of those races (Dwarf) gets a ability called "Fear Ward". This ability allows the priest to make it's target immune to fear.

It is helpful in about FIVE encounters......five.....

But that doesn't matter. It was all over the forums prior to launch, by the min-maxers of course, that you HAVE to be a dwarf if you're going to be a Priest or you will not be welcomed into groups or raids. An ability that is helpful in five out of the thousands of encounters in Classic WoW is something you "have" to have........lol...what?

So what was the result? All Priests on the alliance side were Dwarves. I would get invited into groups and everyone would just get their items that they were in the area for, and leave. No one even said a word to each other. In WoW classic, players do not group just to group, or to get experience. They group for convenience. Meaning they group to get what they want out of the game, and then promptly leave. And if they did not need a group for that quest, they would never group.

And that is apparently clear in the retail version of WoW today. It is horrible! I had to level a character up to level 10 in retail WoW just to post on their forums. It took my roughly an hour and I could fight six MOBS at a time. No lie! It was mindless. Not to mention, I started a Priest and they didn't even get a healing spell until level 5......

The main healing class of the game......didn't get a healing spell until level 5....smh

I could go on forever about this, and little to those that believe that I am, I am NOT bashing classic WoW! I am just talking about the blatant changes that were made that do not work...

Again, When you trade quality for convenience, you get the MMORPGs that exist today. And that is why we are here, isn't it?

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I played WoW from the start till Wrath of the Lich King (Raiding). When the chips are down. Its easy.

It's insultingly easy infact. If you yearn for a challenge wow was never and never will be it.

Lets be clear, i love WoW. But WoW to me is that game i play sometimes to pass time and see some lore without much work. It leads you by the nose.

Zone A --> Zone B etc

The difference between EQ now and Classic EQ is utterly GRAND CANYON stuff compared to WoW and Classic WoW

[Danth]

Comparing WoW to EQ is largely pointless. Warcraft was on the order six to eight times more popular than EQ even in EQ's home market (North America), and the former also had international appeal that EQ mostly lacked. EQ (and to a lesser extent Ultima before it) demonstrated the potential of the MMOG market, but it was Warcraft which tapped that potential.

That being said, I can definitely compare wow-classic of 2019 to Warcraft of late 2004/early 2005, and in that case the modern product falls far short. Today's product is warcraft-lite.....a thinned-down decaf product for folks who only want to dabble or who couldn't handle the real deal. Yuck. I wanted the real thing, didn't get it, so I elected not to settle for a half-measure.

Danth

[Deathrydar]

if your post is longer then a few sentences kids with no attention span are not going to read it, also he probably posted that then logged right into wow.

I fixed this for you.

[BlackBellamy]

I'm personally leaning towards you just seem to be biased towards EQ so much it's blinding you.

When someone posts their personal opinion about why they enjoy or don't enjoy a certain thing, and then someone else jumps in to correct inaccuracies and make personal attacks about that person being blinded and biased, any further replies probably won't go so well due to the obvious emotional investment. Still, I'm a glutton like that.

So first, there are a hundred add-ons that make a ton of aspects of the game trivial. These are all legal and approved by Blizzard, which controls the API necessary to run them, so like it or not they are all part of the Classic experience as they are presenting it to you. I know for a fact that it's not optional to run certain add-ons if you want to do raids, and everyone I know who PvPs runs the Spy add-on which tells you the name, class, and level range of all enemies in range. I mean yeah, you could not use these add-on's but "that would be your decision to do something that silly." For you to compare GINA and custom interfaces to something like Atlas or Domino or Questy is either disingenuous or reveals unfamiliarity with the tech. I don't remember GINA giving me a linked and labelled raid instance map with all the drops and bosses sorted, or holding my hand through every step of the quest showing me the locations of the spawns I need to kill.

I'm sorry you took my 10 second spawn comment literally. Outside of places like the Oasis, the vast majority of camps and leveling spots in EQ are indoors, where the spawn timer is like 25 minutes. That means you can pull the area and adjacent ones, then you have a little downtime so you can rest and socialize. In WoW there is no downtime. No time to talk, to emote, to dance, to hang out. It's just go go go go. If you like that, fine, for me it makes me anxious because if I'm ready to fight and I'm not fighting, then what's going on? My point is that WoW is overrun with mobs, there is no downtime, and the pace much faster than EQ in literally every single aspect of the game.

I'm not sure what to make of your comment about a warrior leveling fine with potions and bandages. I submit it's impossible. I mean in WoW when I get to 20% health I pop a Hamstring on their ass and then strafe away laughing and they stop chasing after 5 seconds. In EQ my warrior dies and I eat the exp loss. I would love to hear a story of someone in EQ who leveled a warrior solo to 60 without going mad, but I don't think such a unicorn exists.

The zones in WoW are indeed bigger, and there are more of them! Which is why it's super awesome you only have to get to each town once on foot. All that running, amirite? Once you've been there, you go to the f̶l̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶m̶a̶s̶t̶e̶r̶* airport and you choose your flight, each one with a super-saver fare too, and you're off on a wonderful plane that never crashes or runs out of fuel or is even late. Now that's service! There are I think 34 airports like that? Let's hear it for those big zones!

So anyway, I hope I have successfully countered your claims I was inaccurate in any way. The rest of your comments were sort of like "well I wouldn't play like that" which is fair but moot.

[Hagglebaron]

if your post is longer then a few sentences no one is going to read it, also he probably posted that then logged right into wow.

( Thats the type of terds that play blue or wow classic )

I read every single post, and appreciated them all! I've decided on Green99, thanks to everyone who replied. See you all there!

Unsure if I will return to my tunnel rat ways, but I hope to do more giveaways and such if I do amass another fortune.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

WelcoMe homE

[Deathrydar]

I read every single post, and appreciated them all! I've decided on Green99, thanks to everyone who replied. See you all there!

Woo hoo! Glad you made this decision, fellow Norrathian! ;)