So Glad I Don't Play Blizzard Games Anymore

[loramin]

https://www.cnet.com/news/blizzard-removes-blitzchung-from-hearthstone-grand-masters-after-his-public-support-for-hong-kong-protests/

TLDR; Some guy said one sentence about Hong Kong after winning a Hearthstone tournament, and they DQed him and banned him for a year. They also took away his prize money, but didn't give it to the second place finisher, and they banned two streamers, who had no idea the guy was even going to say anything.

Fucking traitor commie company will do anything China wants: no American values or spine.

P.S. The first website I ever created, back in like '97 or '98, was a Warcraft 2 fan site. I used to LOVE that company, and I'm both angry and sad at how far they've fallen.

[Deathrydar]

Activision pretty much ruined Blizzard when they bought them. They dropped the ball so badly with classic WoW, I am not sure I will ever be able to trust them again.

[Wonkie]

they're just being patriotic OP. USA government is looking the other way on Hong kong. ��

[Chortles Snort|eS]

the blizzard we grew up with died a long time ago
was really annoyed when skeletons graphics were removed from LoL, DoTA 2
thanks a lot China

[DMN]

No surprise here.

In diablo 2 there were a bunch of Asian hackers who were abusing all sorts of hacks on BNET and doing things like "popping corpses" after auto flagging people for pvp. in EQ it would be comparable to instantly flagging you for a duel, instantly killing you with a hack, and then the hacker being able to loot ALL of your items.

They lied nonstop in the forums that people were mistaken and there was no hacking going on. Once I posted absolute proof that showed an entire encounter of these hackers using these very hacks. Net result? I get suspended and post deleted within minutes.

Then you had WOW, where for the longest time they let Chinese farmers completely destroy server economies. These weren't just bot farmers either but people using blatant hacking. I caught tons of them hacking all over as I would watch them hidden on my rogue, and reported them for months and even recorded their behaviors and never did it seem they ever got banned. They just went on hacking/botting. I had even posted videos and such with links so people could see the things they were doing.

But they eventually banned me because I killed some raid mobs with my guild before "we were supposed to". (molten core). No hacks , no cheats. We just pulled and killed them. Oh, and guess what, I was the only one in the guild banned for it. Hah. And I knew exactly why.

[loramin]

No surprise here.

In diablo 2 there were a bunch of Asian hackers who were abusing all sorts of hacks on BNET and doing things like "popping corpses" after auto flagging people for pvp. in EQ it would be comparable to instantly flagging you for a duel, instantly killing you with a hack, and then the hacker being able to loot ALL of your items.

They lied nonstop in the forums that people were mistaken and there was no hacking going on. Once I posted absolute proof that showed an entire encounter of these hackers using these very hacks. Net result? I get suspended and post deleted within minutes.

Then you had WOW, where for the longest time they let Chinese farmers completely destroy server economies. These weren't just bot farmers either but people using blatant hacking. I caught tons of them hacking all over as I would watch them hidden on my rogue, and reported them for months and even recorded their behaviors and never did it seem they ever got banned. They just went on hacking/botting. I had even posted videos and such with links so people could see the things they were doing.

But they eventually banned me because I killed some raid mobs with my guild before "we were supposed to". (molten core). No hacks , no cheats. We just pulled and killed them. Oh, and guess what, I was the only one in the guild banned for it. Hah. And I knew exactly why.

Damn! I knew about WoW gold farmers and Diablo cheats (I feel like almost everyone who played those games did), but I always assumed they were trying to do something about them and just were ineffectual.

[Deathrydar]

Damn! I knew about WoW gold farmers and Diablo cheats (I feel like almost everyone who played those games did), but I always assumed they were trying to do something about them and just were ineffectual.

I think that is what Blizzard wanted you to believe...

[Zeboim]

Capitalism chases the dollar. China is a money well of incredible proportions, probably with the most potential in the world.

This shouldn't surprise you. China is using the greed inherent in our entire system and culture to its advantage. It's a feature, not a bug.

[loramin]

Capitalism chases the dollar. China is a money well of incredible proportions, probably with the most potential in the world.

This shouldn't surprise you. China is using the greed inherent in our entire system and culture to its advantage. It's a feature, not a bug.

Where's all those "American values!" folks when it's time to stand up for American values?

Ultimately capitalism is a critical part of our country, but it does not solely define us. Little things like democracy and human rights are still a part of that definition too.

[Wonkie]

Where's all those "American values!" folks when it's time to stand up for American values?

Ultimately capitalism is a critical part of our country, but it does not solely define us. Little things like democracy and human rights are still a part of that definition too.

The business of America is business

[Zeboim]

Where's all those "American values!" folks when it's time to stand up for American values?

Ultimately capitalism is a critical part of our country, but it does not solely define us. Little things like democracy and human rights are still a part of that definition too.
Those people are busy making money off of China.

This is America. Everything is for sale... for the right price.

[Mblake81]

P.S. The first website I ever created, back in like '97 or '98, was a Warcraft 2 fan site. I used to LOVE that company, and I'm both angry and sad at how far they've fallen.

That was blizzard then, its just a name now like many other old developer studios.. once they are bought out and passed around town like a whore. It's not the same company anymore and hasn't been for some time. :o

The tone of D3 should have been obvious, it was to some of us :mad: WoW killed the MMORPG genre and the company. I feel not one ounce of pity for whatever it is now, mobile games company.

Desktop PC computer developers are just indie. PC rides bitch with consoles/mobile. I haven't touch a new game in forever.

Where's all those "American values!" folks when it's time to stand up for American values?

Ultimately capitalism is a critical part of our country, but it does not solely define us. Little things like democracy and human rights are still a part of that definition too.

Ahhumm.. you know that is complicated. You go to a store and the chinesium tools are whats affordable and the standard American is the premium (not standard) and the German versions are the upgrade to that. I get a little cynical. Some people took a shortcut to earn more profits but changed the way things are done across the board. Would take a significant shake up to turn that boat around and it might not be politically possible.

Our automobile companies go to other nations (fiat owns practically everything). Americans are too expensive to pay, in America. Manufacturing is seen as despicable and only for people entering the country. We push a lot of papers around. We have poor confidence in ourselves (unless its in a country music song to make $$$)

The things you say are noble, I tried to argue this once, on another board and was told this isn't Mayberry anymore. I also got caught up in communist accusations because I didn't support the status quo and questioned if it was really American anymore.

[Horza]

its just a name now like many other old developer studios.. once they are bought out and passed around town like a whore.

Classy metaphor.

[Mblake81]

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[pink grapefruit]

Activision pretty much ruined Blizzard when they bought them. They dropped the ball so badly with classic WoW, I am not sure I will ever be able to trust them again.

OP is a legit complaint about Blizz and I agree w loramin 100%, but how did Blizz drop the ball with classic? I'm loving classic lol.

[Mblake81]

You mean something that was originally created when it was still Blizzard?
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICvV83ZkD_E)

[Horza]

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I thought you abandoned this forum for Rants & Flames because you can't handle any criticism without melting down.

[Mblake81]

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@Loramin: Besides my desktop PC vs. Mobile argument goes the way of the automobile replacing the horse and buggy. Convenience wins and I am just mad/bad/sad because I don't like that garbage.

[Zeboim]

Hey, remember the time we tried to stand up against China?

It was called the TPP.

[Horza]

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I've never seen someone so proud of being so thin-skinned.

[Deathrydar]

OP is a legit complaint about Blizz and I agree w loramin 100%, but how did Blizz drop the ball with classic? I'm loving classic lol.

Well, first off, they took the lazy way out and released version 2.0.1 and passed it off like 1.12.1- The only proof I have is how easy the instances, MOBS and raids are right now. They were NOT that easy back in 1.12.1, but they ARE acting exactly as they did after the TBC launch.

Layering- 'nuff said! I left the game cause I was tired of never seeing the same people again. ZERO sense of community!

Their inability to listen to the community and leave layering where it belongs, in the trash, and release more servers instead.

Their blatant lies about exploits and itemization- They continuously would fight tooth and nail about an item or a mechanic being "classic" and "its that way on the reference client" until someone shoved it down their throat they were wrong, then they would change it! The items that were exploited in the layering scheme are still in the game and the economy was far ruined before I even stopped playing a couple of weeks ago.

I think that's enough for now.

[pink grapefruit]

Well, first off, they took the lazy way out and released version 2.0.1 and passed it off like 1.12.1- The only proof I have is how easy the instances, MOBS and raids are right now. They were NOT that easy back in 1.12.1, but they ARE acting exactly as they did after the TBC launch.

Layering- 'nuff said! I left the game cause I was tired of never seeing the same people again. ZERO sense of community!

Their inability to listen to the community and leave layering where it belongs, in the trash, and release more servers instead.

Their blatant lies about exploits and itemization- They continuously would fight tooth and nail about an item or a mechanic being "classic" and "its that way on the reference client" until someone shoved it down their throat they were wrong, then they would change it! The items that were exploited in the layering scheme are still in the game and the economy was far ruined before I even stopped playing a couple of weeks ago.

I think that's enough for now.

Layering is being phased out, right? Agree it never should have been in to start with tho. Aren't the exploited items a drop in a bucket tho, all things considered? These servers are likely all going to end up like blue99 with everything being super top-heavy and fast, with nowhere for players to advance after x many years. Don't see how a handful of extra items could destroy the servers this early in.

Literally zero idea what you're talking about with 2.0.1 tho, so maybe I'm just ignorant.

[Deathrydar]

Literally zero idea what you're talking about with 2.0.1 tho, so maybe I'm just ignorant.

Did you play back in the 2004-2006 era pre-TBC? It was nearly impossible to fight more than one MOB at a time, especially as a Warrior, which is what i leveled up in vanilla and in classic. I was kicking 2 MOBs asses at a time when I played classic, sometimes 3 MOBs....I could NEVER EVER do that in vanilla!

There was no way anyone could go in and drop Rag or Ony (especially Ony) without any fire resist gear and an entire raid full of level 58s and 59s! There was no way anyone could do that without at least having some BIS gear or, at the very least, a few pieces of your first dungeon set....

It's nerfed! It's nerfed to the point that Blizzard nerfed it right before the first expansion release! The devs here at Project 1999 can reverse engineer a game from 1999 for free, but a billion dollar company's devs can't....

And what's worse....they lied and are passing it off as 1.12.1 and nearly no one believes them.

[Jimjam]

I enjoyed it, having never played wow before. Made it to 20 in about as many days and fizzled out. Most people i added to friends seemed to disappear too. Not many people were chatty. Not like p1999.

[pink grapefruit]

Did you play back in the 2004-2006 era pre-TBC? It was nearly impossible to fight more than one MOB at a time, especially as a Warrior, which is what i leveled up in vanilla and in classic. I was kicking 2 MOBs asses at a time when I played classic, sometimes 3 MOBs....I could NEVER EVER do that in vanilla!

There was no way anyone could go in and drop Rag or Ony (especially Ony) without any fire resist gear and an entire raid full of level 58s and 59s! There was no way anyone could do that without at least having some BIS gear or, at the very least, a few pieces of your first dungeon set....

It's nerfed! It's nerfed to the point that Blizzard nerfed it right before the first expansion release! The devs here at Project 1999 can reverse engineer a game from 1999 for free, but a billion dollar company's devs can't....

And what's worse....they lied and are passing it off as 1.12.1 and nearly no one believes them.

Yeah I played from day 1. Had a guild with my RL nerd friends, and those bastards all made me go horde with them when I wanted to be an elf badass.

Game doesn't feel different to me, but this was literally 15 years ago. I remember the game feeling dumbed down a lot from EQ, and I was especially mad that I couldn't talk mad shit to the alliance players I murdered.

Nothinig will ever compare to EQ pvp, I'm afraid :(

still no idea what you're talking about with the easy pve though. game feels like classic wow to me.

[Deathrydar]

still no idea what you're talking about with the easy pve though. game feels like classic wow to me.

I just explained it.

[Mblake81]

Most people i added to friends seemed to disappear too. Not many people were chatty. Not like p1999.

Different style of game, different requirements and atmosphere. It's funny, WoW players only started repping about their community when someone from the EQP99 community made a point about it (in recent years).

TL/DR: WoW never had one. Barrens chat was just some chat.

[Baler]

How is anyone not aware that blizzard is dogshit now?

Diablo: Immortal

Open your eyes people.
They have to 'remaster' old games just to be relevant.

[Horza]

Ironically, if the people of Hong Kong were actually regulated by Chinese minimum wage, labor, and union laws they would better off than they are now.

Ironically, China doesn't give a shit about minimum wage, labor, and union laws.

[Jimjam]

The goal of Hong Kong is to be bastion of the free market economics and legal systems to help bring over Western business.The Hong Kong protests are literally a reaction to the deep corruption of their government's status quo that heavily favors entrenched foreign capitalist interests.

Ironically, if the people of Hong Kong were actually regulated by Chinese minimum wage, labor, and union laws they would better off than they are now.

I'm kinda disappointed Teppler hasn't been broadcasting about this. Seems up his alley.

[zodium]

Ultimately capitalism is a critical part of our country, but it does not solely define us. Little things like democracy and human rights are still a part of that definition too.

i got real bad news

[DMN]

i got real bad news

You just found out you won the chromosome "lottery"?

[Domo]

Its all about money.
fuck freedom if ya can make some extra billions right?

[Baler]

I hope the hong kong people win
fuck mainland china's government

[Nirgon]

First they came for our skeletons.....

China is the real enemy

Not muh Russia or Wewkraine

[Horza]

China is the real enemy

Not muh Russia or Wewkraine

Ukraine is our ally.

[Tecmos Deception]

no American values

Pretty sure America doesn't have most of those anymore either.

[Wonkie]

Ukraine is our ally.

we'll take their women (https://yarn.co/yarn-clip/d50e94eb-754f-499e-9700-b6116a9688f5)

[zodium]

just can't believe capital knows no borders. shaking my damn head.

[Teppler]

I’ve stayed off making a comment on Hong Kong and China because I like to wait till I have a certain amount of information.

Hong Kong protests are being sponsored by western elites. Look no further than NBA and South Parks responses. You will see NO China sympathies or anything resembling it in western media because you are about to be fed a very heavy dose of propaganda in order to get your public support for further aggression against China.

Aren’t you guys tired of sticking your noses in other people’s business? This is like butting your head into someone else’s family squabble but it’s actually worse because our tax dollars are actually sponsoring it. Don’t let elites drag you into other people’s problems.

[Teppler]

The propaganda will be about “WE NEED CAPITALISM” but really capitalism doesn’t exist anywhere in the world in 2019. In America we have rule by big corporate interests, that’s the final form of capitalism. Is it better if corporate interests defeat the state? Why?

These are western elites trying to pressure the China government through shady means. Our cia is involved for sure. The same people who fund protests in America are funding them over there. It’s a really effective way to fuck a country up which is why China is going ballistic right now.

[Thrombosis]

The lure of capitalism and free markets ends once it starts undermining the national interest imo. The West has been so dumb in allowing Chinese corporations, which are controlled by, or at least loyal to, the politbureau in Beijing, take huge stakes in western industries. It's not just China, in my own country we've seen vital industries taken over by foreign state-owned players where our own companies are not allowed to compete.

Don't overlook the role of the mainstream media either, it seems crazy to me that in the USA it's seen as brave and inspiring to protest against the US flag/national anthem, but stupid/far-right to protest against China's brutal crackdown in Hong Kong, or their concentration camps for Uighur Muslims.

[zodium]

Is it better if corporate interests defeat the state? Why?

[zodium]

The lure of capitalism and free markets ends once it starts undermining the national interest imo.

but the capitalist nation-state exists for no reason save to undermine the national interest, comrade. for decades, for generations, for too long have workers of the imperial core failed to stand in solidarity with their worker comrades in the periphery, even as capital gorged itself until it was strong enough to go for that core. suffer not the billionaire to live.

[Patriam1066]

Did the Hong Kong protests have anything to do with criminal conducting resulting in extradition to mainland China in a clear violation of the “One country, two systems” principal, or is this yet another example of evil American capitalist Jews? Secondary question: have any of you who support the Chinese position seen a vagina?

[Teppler]

You know how pressuring Chinese leaders with the usual social justice tactics(metoo etc...) doesn’t work like it does in the west?

Ask the question, whose tactics are these?

This is the establishment west’s way to take a bite out of an eastern empire that doesn’t fall victim to usual tactics. This might be the first you hear of it but the CIA has a history of doing this exact thing in many different, mostly smaller counties. They create protests that turn into riots in countries where they want to destabilize and put their own rulers who will do good business with western elites.

They attach buzz words to these protests to try and recruit the public and utilize public image. Freedom, democracy, oppressed, capitalism. All buzz words for you to consume.

As odd as it sounds l think if you consider yourself anti establishment in the west you should probably ally yourself with the Chinese government right now. I suspect we have a major common enemy here.

[Teppler]

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1181599014434811905?s=20

What a surprise

[PieOats]

Did the Hong Kong protests have anything to do with criminal conducting resulting in extradition to mainland China in a clear violation of the “One country, two systems” principal, or is this yet another example of evil American capitalist Jews? Secondary question: have any of you who support the Chinese position seen a vagina?

Racist.

[Teppler]

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[Jimjam]

The lure of capitalism and free markets ends once it starts undermining the national interest imo. The West has been so dumb in allowing Chinese corporations, which are controlled by, or at least loyal to, the politbureau in Beijing, take huge stakes in western industries. It's not just China, in my own country we've seen vital industries taken over by foreign state-owned players where our own companies are not allowed to compete.

Don't overlook the role of the mainstream media either, it seems crazy to me that in the USA it's seen as brave and inspiring to protest against the US flag/national anthem, but stupid/far-right to protest against China's brutal crackdown in Hong Kong, or their concentration camps for Uighur Muslims.

"Nationalised services are bad so we are going to sell them off to the highest bidder"

"Whoops another nation bought them... Still counts as privatised."

[JayDee]

You know how pressuring Chinese leaders with the usual social justice tactics(metoo etc...) doesn’t work like it does in the west?

Ask the question, whose tactics are these?

This is the establishment west’s way to take a bite out of an eastern empire that doesn’t fall victim to usual tactics. This might be the first you hear of it but the CIA has a history of doing this exact thing in many different, mostly smaller counties. They create protests that turn into riots in countries where they want to destabilize and put their own rulers who will do good business with western elites.

They attach buzz words to these protests to try and recruit the public and utilize public image. Freedom, democracy, oppressed, capitalism. All buzz words for you to consume.

As odd as it sounds l think if you consider yourself anti establishment in the west you should probably ally yourself with the Chinese government right now. I suspect we have a major common enemy here.

I like the cut of your jib

[Nibblewitz]

How dare people sign contracts then violate those contracts and take responsibility for their actions.

Total anarchy!

[aaezil]

That moment OP realizes china pays millions of dollars in subscriptions per month

[loramin]

That moment OP realizes china pays millions of dollars in subscriptions per month

Obviously I realize that. Obviously US corporations have to be sensitive to the concerns of other countries, and there's a balancing act inherent there.

But also (and this seems obvious to me), American corporations, staffed by American citizens, should be able to do that without sacrificing core American values ... which really are human values, held by all modern nations (for a certain definition of that word at least).

To take an extreme example, if you go do business in Saudi Arabia, it doesn't matter what the Saudi government does or doesn't allow: it's not ok for you, or your employees, to rape, torture, or murder people. Capitalism does not "trump" everything else.

Plus, as a side note, Blizzard even violated their own core Blizzard values, and one of their employees amusingly pointed the fact out today:

Not everyone at Blizzard agrees with what happened.

Both the "Think Globally" and "Every Voice Matters" values have been covered up by incensed employees this morning.


https://kotaku.com/blizzards-company-values-dont-mean-much-today-1838891183

[Wonkie]

Is it better if corporate interests defeat the state? Why?



*BIG siP*

[Horza]

Don't overlook the role of the mainstream media either, it seems crazy to me that in the USA it's seen as brave and inspiring to protest against the US flag/national anthem, but stupid/far-right to protest against China's brutal crackdown in Hong Kong, or their concentration camps for Uighur Muslims.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

As odd as it sounds l think if you consider yourself anti establishment in the west you should probably ally yourself with the Chinese government right now. I suspect we have a major common enemy here.

What is this we? You aren't remotely anti-establishment, but at least you're finally admitting you're a boot-licking fascist sympathizer.

[fortior]

honestly thinking this is something everyone can rally around except for the ancaps and tankies

[fortior]

no matter if you are a pro single payer bernie bro or a super conservative person this move is pretty heinous and fuck china

[Teppler]

So how many of you people talking about evil China and humans rights violations have anything to say when Israel brutalizes Palestinians?

What if the message was “free Palestine” instead of “autonomous Hong Kong”? Is Adam Silver still a self professed champion of every type of view point and free speech? Something tells me the Adam Silver and Hillary Clinton types will suddenly have limits for people crying for freedom.

Same thing with South Park. Bunch of cowards that have fake controversial takes at best. They don’t do anything really daring.

[BlackBellamy]

So how many of you people talking about evil China and humans rights violations have anything to say when Israel brutalizes Palestinians?



Not me. I sell bulldozers and tear gas. Those mangled crying "Palestinians" sent my kids to college!

[Horza]

So how many of you people talking about evil China and humans rights violations have anything to say when Israel brutalizes Palestinians?

What if the message was “free Palestine” instead of “autonomous Hong Kong”? Is Adam Silver still a self professed champion of every type of view point and free speech? Something tells me the Adam Silver and Hillary Clinton types will suddenly have limits for people crying for freedom.

Why do you need to bring up the Jews and Hillary Clinton types (whatever that's supposed to mean) in every single thread regardless of the relevance of your comments? It makes you look a little unhinged.

[fortior]

So how many of you people talking about evil China and humans rights violations have anything to say when Israel brutalizes Palestinians?

What if the message was “free Palestine” instead of “autonomous Hong Kong”?

free palestine, #BDS

[Teppler]

Why do you need to bring up the Jews and Hillary Clinton types (whatever that's supposed to mean) in every single thread regardless of the relevance of your comments? It makes you look a little unhinged.

It’s all related. Hillary is just one example because it’s one everyone knows.

Learn rules for radicals.

The first one - make the enemy play by their own rules

Do you think Adam Silver still preaches about how important diversity of opinion if the chants are against Israel in sympathy of Palestinians? This alone proves the hypocrisy. And that hypocrisy is there for a reason. Why do you think it’s there? It’s telling you a story. Listen to it.

[Horza]

It’s all related. Hillary is just one example because it’s one everyone knows.

Learn rules for radicals.

The first one - make the enemy play by their own rules

Do you think Adam Silver still preaches about how important diversity of opinion if the chants are against Israel in sympathy of Palestinians? This alone proves the hypocrisy. And that hypocrisy is there for a reason. Why do you think it’s there? It’s telling you a story. Listen to it.

[Donkey Hotay]

. . . traitor commie company will do anything China wants: no American values or spine.

Where's all those "American values!" folks when it's time to stand up for American values?

Pretty sure America doesn't have most of those anymore either.

i got real bad news


It's like the elite aren't playing by the same rules as we are. It's almost as if they have a totally different value system. It's like they're from a totally different moral background, or even tribe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bobby_Kotick#Ancestry

[Patriam1066]

So how many of you people talking about evil China and humans rights violations have anything to say when Israel brutalizes Palestinians?

What if the message was “free Palestine” instead of “autonomous Hong Kong”? Is Adam Silver still a self professed champion of every type of view point and free speech? Something tells me the Adam Silver and Hillary Clinton types will suddenly have limits for people crying for freedom.

Same thing with South Park. Bunch of cowards that have fake controversial takes at best. They don’t do anything really daring.

Yes, publishing an image of Muhammad when Muslims were blowing everyone up daily wasn’t daring at all. Please go to Riyadh dressed as Muhammad for Halloween and get back to me

[Patriam1066]

Palestinian argument is a moot point; these places only ever existed as statelets within empires who put both sides to the sword if they don’t keep the peace. Palestine is west Iran, and should be added to the tax rolls

[Green Nec]

People will fight across the world forever because its human nature and most people are un-evolved cavemen.

Especially in the middle east

[Wonkie]

People will fight across the world forever because its human nature and most people are un-evolved cavemen.

Especially in the middle east

not just cavemen, but cavewomen and cavechildren too

[BlackBellamy]

I wonder how many cavechildren I could fight at once? I mean yeah, they're probably tougher than the regular children I fight, but on the other hand they would be much smaller, not having had access to protein bars and gatorade. If I kept the sun behind me I could probably take lots.

[Teppler]

Yes, publishing an image of Muhammad when Muslims were blowing everyone up daily wasn’t daring at all. Please go to Riyadh dressed as Muhammad for Halloween and get back to me

Name some people they blew up for making fun of Islam. Like I said, fake tough guys. Establishment attack dogs that wouldn't dare attack the true sacred cows of our society.

[Cecily]

Je suis Charlie.


Killed



Frédéric Boisseau, 42, building maintenance worker for Sodexo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodexo), killed in the lobby as he sat at the reception desk, first victim of the shooting.
Franck Brinsolaro, 49, Protection Service (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_de_la_protection) police officer assigned as a bodyguard for Charb.[74] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-tend-76)
Cabu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabu) (Jean Cabut), 76, cartoonist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoonist).
Elsa Cayat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsa_Cayat), 54, psychoanalyst and columnist.[75] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-77)[76] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-cnn_2015-01-09_erin-78) The only woman killed in the shooting.[77] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-79)
Charb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charb) (Stéphane Charbonnier), 47, cartoonist, columnist, and director of publication of Charlie Hebdo.

Philippe Honoré (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Honor%C3%A9_(cartoonist)), 73, cartoonist.
Bernard Maris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Maris), 68, economist, editor, and columnist.[78] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-80)[79] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-lessentiel-cabu-mort-81)
Ahmed Merabet, 42, police officer, shot in the head as he lay wounded on the ground outside.[80] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-82)
Mustapha Ourrad, 60, copy editor.[81] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-independent.co.uk1-83)
Michel Renaud, 69, a travel writer and festival organiser visiting Cabu.[82] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-84)
Tignous (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tignous) (Bernard Verlhac), 57, cartoonist.[83] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-85)
Georges Wolinski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Wolinski), 80, cartoonist.[84] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-86)

[fortior]

cecily do you know you have a fan called cecil

[BlackBellamy]

They shot Bruce Joiner, a security guard at a Texas exhibition center that featured the Mohammed cartoons.

They arrested 5 guys in Denmark right before an imminent attack on a newspaper that published the cartoons.

A gunman opened fire on a meeting where the the cartoonist was present, and later killed two more people in a synagogue.

Theo van Gogh, stabbed to death because he made a film that made an Islamist have the bad feels.

I think we can put to death the ignorant proposition that Islamists never killed anyone for making fun of their religion, just like Mohammed, where the first thing he did literally was put to death anyone who spoke out against him. He killed all the poets and the bards. (https://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/dead_poets.htm)

[Teppler]

Je suis Charlie.


Killed



Frédéric Boisseau, 42, building maintenance worker for Sodexo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodexo), killed in the lobby as he sat at the reception desk, first victim of the shooting.
Franck Brinsolaro, 49, Protection Service (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_de_la_protection) police officer assigned as a bodyguard for Charb.[74] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-tend-76)
Cabu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabu) (Jean Cabut), 76, cartoonist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoonist).
Elsa Cayat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsa_Cayat), 54, psychoanalyst and columnist.[75] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-77)[76] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-cnn_2015-01-09_erin-78) The only woman killed in the shooting.[77] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-79)
Charb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charb) (Stéphane Charbonnier), 47, cartoonist, columnist, and director of publication of Charlie Hebdo.

Philippe Honoré (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Honor%C3%A9_(cartoonist)), 73, cartoonist.
Bernard Maris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Maris), 68, economist, editor, and columnist.[78] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-80)[79] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-lessentiel-cabu-mort-81)
Ahmed Merabet, 42, police officer, shot in the head as he lay wounded on the ground outside.[80] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-82)
Mustapha Ourrad, 60, copy editor.[81] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-independent.co.uk1-83)
Michel Renaud, 69, a travel writer and festival organiser visiting Cabu.[82] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-84)
Tignous (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tignous) (Bernard Verlhac), 57, cartoonist.[83] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-85)
Georges Wolinski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Wolinski), 80, cartoonist.[84] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting#cite_note-86)


Matt and Trey live with intense security in America, you listed all these no namers from the Charlie Hebdo incident all the way in France. Matt and Trey got rewarded for attacking Mohammed by their Hollywood overlords. Do you know what Matt and Trey have done to shape young impressionable minds with how they've presented Middle Easterners? Hundreds of thousands have died in attacks against the middle east. I'd want to kill them too for how they've presented things. Matt and Trey are not good guys. There's sacred cows they will not attack. They are fucking cowards. Try and figure out why they attack the things they attack. Then, more importantly, figure out which subjects they won't touch and ask why.

[Wonkie]

Teppler hates the show famous for insulting Jewish people. Now, that, is, irony.

[Teppler]

It's a show created by a Jew. Mostly anyone insulting Jews on that show is portrayed as a horrible human being which means that they are always praising the Jewish people as victimized. Real daring stuff.

[Bazia]

It's a show created by a Jew.

i dont believ it

[Wonkie]

It's a show created by a Jew. Mostly anyone insulting Jews on that show is portrayed as a horrible human being which means that they are always praising the Jewish people as victimized. Real daring stuff.

it's a diabolical plot by the Jews to insult the Jews!

this is your brain on national socialism

[Swish]

I knew something was up with that Kung Fu Panda expansion.

[Horza]

It's a show created by a Jew. Mostly anyone insulting Jews on that show is portrayed as a horrible human being which means that they are always praising the Jewish people as victimized. Real daring stuff.

I'd want to kill them too for how they've presented things. Matt and Trey are not good guys. There's sacred cows they will not attack. They are fucking cowards. Try and figure out why they attack the things they attack. Then, more importantly, figure out which subjects they won't touch and ask why.

https://i.imgur.com/ajgPXTE.gif

[Cecily]

Matt and Trey live with intense security in America, you listed all these no namers from the Charlie Hebdo incident all the way in France. Matt and Trey got rewarded for attacking Mohammed by their Hollywood overlords. Do you know what Matt and Trey have done to shape young impressionable minds with how they've presented Middle Easterners? Hundreds of thousands have died in attacks against the middle east. I'd want to kill them too for how they've presented things. Matt and Trey are not good guys. There's sacred cows they will not attack. They are fucking cowards. Try and figure out why they attack the things they attack. Then, more importantly, figure out which subjects they won't touch and ask why.

I understand this direct assault on a western nation's freedom of speech doesn't possess enough of a celebrity death toll to merit importance, but ask yourself why you're such a celebrity obsessed retard. Because you're an American. That's why.

[zodium]

The propaganda will be about “WE NEED CAPITALISM” but really capitalism doesn’t exist anywhere in the world in 2019. In America we have rule by big corporate interests, that’s the final form of capitalism.

Imperialism, or the domination of finance capital, is that highest stage of capitalism in which this separation reaches vast proportions. The supremacy of finance capital over all other forms of capital means the predominance of the rentier and of the financial oligarchy; it means that a small number of financially “powerful” states stand out among all the rest.

If it were necessary to give the briefest possible definition of imperialism we should have to say that imperialism is the monopoly stage of capitalism. But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate. And so, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:

(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital”, of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves, and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.

[JayDee]

It's a show created by a Jew. Mostly anyone insulting Jews on that show is portrayed as a horrible human being which means that they are always praising the Jewish people as victimized. Real daring stuff.

Whatever the case, they are for freedom of expression, which some believe the jews are trying to suppress.

There will always be propaganda, but it is up to the people to distinguish what is truth and what is fabricated. The problem is when you start silencing the opposing viewpoint, which to my knowledge they are against.

[zodium]

although south park has the aesthetic form of "radical centrist idiot manchild cartoon", its class content is revolutionary

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

HOnestly one day i expect to see about someone gone on a rampage killing people in America and he gets put away. And suddenly we wont hear from Teppler again.

Fruitcake. Some real red flags right here.

[Teppler]

I understand this direct assault on a western nation's freedom of speech doesn't possess enough of a celebrity death toll to merit importance, but ask yourself why you're such a celebrity obsessed retard. Because you're an American. That's why.

I’m a celebrity obsessed retard? I’ve been on the internet arguing for a long time and that is the first time I’ve been accused of such a thing lol

I’m just pointing out the Muslim brotherhood doesn’t attack high profile targets like Matt and Trey. Want to know why?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WkVohPC_YpU

Matt and Trey are in their ivory towers far away in America as they attack Islam.

Ask why weren’t Matt and Trey attacked for their blasphemy if what they did was so dangerous and so daring? It’s because they are protected. More than physically protected, their Hollywood bosses LOVE the content when they attack people following Islam as backwards goatfuckers. They don’t put out content that actually challenges the status quo. They are comedy centrals golden child.

I can’t stress enough how big of cowards Matt and Trey are for doing the establishments bidding. And I think we can look at it from this perspective- can anyone name any anti establishment positions South Park has ever taken? They don’t get in trouble because they don’t take anti establishment positions.

They did their part in portraying Muslims in a certain way that helped us invade the Middle East at Israel’s benefit and cause hundreds of thousands of middle eastern and American deaths. Matt and Trey can fry in hell for all I’m concerned. I know what they’ve done by pleasing their Hollywood masters.

[Teppler]

If you guys actually want to see daring content that challenged the status quo look up Million Dollar Extreme presents World Peace.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KCHdNjTYnEk

It was on adult swim and had high ratings during its only season and was promptly cancelled for being too edgy.

The idea of South Park pushing the edge is retarded. Hollywood execs love it. It’s completely kosher.

[Teppler]

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http://is2.4chan.org/pol/1570697721913.png

Some people’s opinion can be bought.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

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http://is2.4chan.org/pol/1570697721913.png

Some people’s opinion can be bought.

Wait you're saying in exchange for money some people will endorse products and/or political agendas? Fuck. My world has just fell apart.

You're like a prophet Teppler. How are you not the leader of your country with this kind of acumen.

[Teppler]

Wait you're saying in exchange for money some people will endorse products and/or political agendas? Fuck. My world has just fell apart.

You're like a prophet Teppler. How are you not the leader of your country with this kind of acumen.

They're all corporate whores which is what I'm trying to show. Do you think Matt and Trey are any different than Lebron in this case? These people will always go whichever way the shekels will blow and won't do real risky edgy stuff. Always understand who is sponsoring people. When you see almost all celebrities shilling for a certain side, understand someone is spending a lot of money for that to happen. Try and figure out who it is exactly and why they are spending that money. South Park has their own corporate masters to keep happy and they will not go outside those lines. They are effectively attack dogs for big global corporate establishment. I can't think of a less noble position to be in. I'd rather be an unemployed mess like Horza.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Wow. Tell me more of this secret world I had no idea about (Disclaimer: We all know about it)

[Jimjam]

I just thought people in similar circumstances with similar careers might have similar perspectives. Naiive?

Now I am engaged with this idea, if they don't actually hold similar positions by happenstance, and they are indeed being fed points of view, how do you think they are all able to broadcast similar arguments? Their managers are their touchstones with the rest of the industry; perhaps it is through these people the lines are fed?

[Teppler]

I just thought people in similar circumstances with similar careers might have similar perspectives. Naiive?

Now I am engaged with this idea, if they don't actually hold similar positions by happenstance, and they are indeed being fed points of view, how do you think they are all able to broadcast similar arguments? Their managers are their touchstones with the rest of the industry; perhaps it is through these people the lines are fed?

You are a sweet summer child. I used to be like that too. Now that you know it’s there, just spend some years and watch. It will be clear as day.

Try this. Explain why Millions dollar Extemes world peace isn’t on air and they are blackballed from western establishment media despite receiving very high ratings. Explore this and you’ll get a good part of the story how Hollywood keeps people in line.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Teppler. The political evangelist.

HE HAS SEEN! AND HE WAS HEALED! \o/

Hokey cult leader potential.

[BlackBellamy]

Teppler: show me victims of Islamist death squads!

Everyone: /show victims

Teppler: these are nobodies! their lives don't matter! i meant CELEBRITY victims you jew-lovers!

I love this so much because hardcore antisemitism is as classic as it gets.

[Patriam1066]

it's a diabolical plot by the Jews to insult the Jews!

this is your brain on national socialism

Lol’ed

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

It won't be antisemitism to him though. Because they are illuminati lizards from space or something. But only he knows. Can't you see he is trying to help us?

TRYING TO OPEN OUR EYES *_*

If you looked hard enough you would see. Teppler is better than all of us really.

[Patriam1066]

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Some people’s opinion can be bought.

So you agree with “Labron” then on China? NLover

[Zeboim]

Dunno how you people are so surprised by Teppler any more after he came out and said Hitler did nothing wrong and the jews deserved the holocaust tbh.

[Patriam1066]

Teppler, white supremacist, follows Lebron on twitter. Lol

[Teppler]

I knew I would have to explain the point further to someone.

Lebron is effectively showing he can be totally and completely bought. What does he really feel? What does he really know? Who knows. Doesn’t matter. We’ll never find out.

But do you know how many impressionable young children hang off Lebrons every word?

Do you have any idea the magnitude of this? That this guys words are completely and utterly bought and he’s incredibly impressionable to young minds?

What forces are bidding to leave impression on an untold amount of young minds? This is important because from this case we see proof of the foreign influences on social issues in America.

In this case China is clearly sponsoring Lebron with enough money that he won’t say anything. But what kind of morality is this to be guided this way?

I talk about this because I remember Lebrons campaigning efforts for Hillary Clinton as well 2016.

This is me pointing to all the celebrities that latch on to the liberal establishment machine. It’s all paid for in various ways. Opinions are bought at an establishment media level. Sometimes when you take a deep and honest look at the buyers, it’s scary for society when you see what they are doing.

I don’t buy into right wing celebrities too. Almost all frauds for the most part. Tommy Robinson, Lauren Southern, Ben Shaprio, Milo. All 100% grifters to stay away from.

[zodium]

capitalism is very bad

[Green Nec]

only poor people who have no desire to earn money think capitalism is bad, what are you a dirty demorat who wants to see the world burn and all the stuff you want for free?

[Horza]

Do you think Matt and Trey are any different than Lebron in this case? These people will always go whichever way the shekels will blow and won't do real risky edgy stuff. Always understand who is sponsoring people. When you see almost all celebrities shilling for a certain side, understand someone is spending a lot of money for that to happen. Try and figure out who it is exactly and why they are spending that money.

https://i.imgur.com/ajgPXTE.gif

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Zeboim
Dunno how you people are so surprised by Teppler any more after he came out and said Hitler did nothing wrong and the jews deserved the holocaust tbh.

Wow! I can't believe it! You mean he was able to successfully defend Hitler's decision to stop bombing the RAF airfields and switch to strategic bombing instead? Because that right there...I mean...ugh.

[Teppler]

Wow! I can't believe it! You mean he was able to successfully defend Hitler's decision to stop bombing the RAF airfields and switch to strategic bombing instead? Because that right there...I mean...ugh.

Bunch of international bankers harassed Hitler. They beat him and won ww2 so they got to spin their tale about the whole thing. Those same bankers are still harassing people internationally starting all sorts of conflicts, including funding Hong Kong. They’ve funded hundreds of thousands of deaths along the Middle East through the last 20 years at the very least. This is the side sponsoring and funding Hong Kong protests.

This is also how international bankers started ww2. They built up aggressive forces surrounding Germany and dared Germany to protect themselves. They will do the same thing in Hong Kong/China. International bankers will fund increasingly aggressive protests and just dare China to do anything about it. It’s 100% international harassment though. Eventually China will fight back because who likes to be continually poked with a stick? Then western media will pitch the story “China is brutal everyone must rise up and stop them.” It’s the CIA/Multinational banker playbook that they used to stop Hitlers Germany from spreading interest free banking to the world.

[Horza]

Bunch of international JEWS harassed Hitler. They beat him and won ww2 so they got to spin their tale about the whole thing. Those same JEWS are still harassing people internationally starting all sorts of conflicts, including funding Hong Kong. They’ve funded hundreds of thousands of deaths along the Middle East through the last 20 years at the very least. This is the side sponsoring and funding Hong Kong protests.

This is also how international JEWS started ww2. They built up aggressive forces surrounding Germany and dared Germany to protect themselves. They will do the same thing in Hong Kong/China. International JEWS will fund increasingly aggressive protests and just dare China to do anything about. Eventually China will fight back because who likes to be continually poked with a stick? Then JEWISH media will pitch the story “China is brutal everyone must rise up and stop them.” It’s the JEWS' playbook that they used to stop Hitlers Germany from spreading RACIAL PURITY to the world.

What Teppler is really thinking.

[zodium]

actually this is what he's really thinking

Bunch of international capitalists harassed Stalin. They beat him and won the Cold War so they got to spin their tale about the whole thing. Those same capitalists are still harassing people internationally starting all sorts of conflicts, including funding Hong Kong. They’ve funded hundreds of thousands of deaths along the Middle East through the last 20 years at the very least. This is the side sponsoring and funding Hong Kong protests.

This is also how international capitalists started the Cold War. They built up aggressive forces surrounding the Soviet Union and dared the Soviet Union to protect themselves. They will do the same thing in Hong Kong/China. International capitalists will fund increasingly aggressive protests and just dare China to do anything about it. It’s 100% international harassment though. Eventually China will fight back because who likes to be continually poked with a stick? Then western media will pitch the story “China is brutal everyone must rise up and stop them.” It’s the CIA/Multinational capitalists playbook that they used to stop Hitlers Germany from spreading interest free banking to the world.

[Teppler]

I’ll give you nerds an example you can understand.

Imagine your doing a great Everquest camp. Another group comes by and wants to do that camp. They have someone log on an alt and create a train for your group. They start picking single mobs off. Then more. There’s no GM to help you. Eventually you pick off one of their mobs. They start going ballistic and accusing you of being unethical and horrible people. Then they rally more of their friends to help them conquer the original group after they’ve painted them as mean and unfair and brutal.

That’s what’s happening here. There’s no moderators or gm at a global political level but everyone is supposed to play nice. How do you think that would work on an Everquest server? Well it works out about the same on a world political level.

[zodium]

ww2 was a war between competing white supremacist empires and the soviet union

[Wonkie]

ww2 was a war between competing white supremacist empires and the soviet union

😂

[Horza]

Apple removes app used in Hong Kong protests after pressure from China. (https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/10/20907596/apple-hong-kong-protests-app-removed-china)

Apple has removed HKmap.live, a crowdsourced mapping app widely used by Hong Kong residents, from the App Store. Yesterday, state media outlet China Daily blasted Apple’s decision to allow HKmap.live onto the App Store. “Providing a gateway for ‘toxic apps’ is hurting the feelings of the Chinese people, twisting the facts of Hong Kong affairs, and against the views and principles of the Chinese people,” the op-ed argued.

[Cecily]

Wow! I can't believe it! You mean he was able to successfully defend Hitler's decision to stop bombing the RAF airfields and switch to strategic bombing instead? Because that right there...I mean...ugh.

He was doing the best he could, ok? You try building an empire without WikiHow and see how that goes.

[Horza]

Refer to my previous comment on page 3 if you are confused.

Again, China doesn't give a shit about minimum wage, labor, and union laws.

[Teppler]

Again, China doesn't give a shit about minimum wage, labor, and union laws.

Why is this your issue from all the way in America? Like none of those are even big deals. It’s just their way of running a system.

And I know for a fact you don’t know the first thing about the advanced economics behind the minimum wage discussion but this is your rallying cry to butt your head into foreign bullshit?

[Horza]

Why is this your issue from all the way in America? Like none of those are even big deals. It’s just their way of running a system.

And I know for a fact you don’t know the first thing about the advanced economics behind the minimum wage discussion but this is your rallying cry to butt your head into foreign bullshit?

Their way of running a system: China is killing religious and ethnic minorities and harvesting their organs. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-religious-ethnic-minorities-uighur-muslim-harvest-organs-un-human-rights-a9117911.html)

[Teppler]

Their way of running a system: China is killing religious and ethnic minorities and harvesting their organs. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-religious-ethnic-minorities-uighur-muslim-harvest-organs-un-human-rights-a9117911.html)

Glad you could clarify what you’re really upset about.

[Horza]

...literally a reddit conspiracy theory boosted by the Falun Gong, the 4channers of China who are anti-evolution weirdos who believe in alien technology. Did you actually read the article or just the headline?

China has done nothing wrong. That is fake news, comrade. Praise our great leader!

[Mblake81]

...literally a reddit conspiracy theory boosted by the Falun Gong, the 4channers of China who are anti-evolution weirdos believing in alien technology. Did you actually read the article or just the headline?

I think its a bot.

modus operandi: personal digs and RSS feed posts.

What do you know about Horza?

[Horza]

I think its a bot.

modus operandi: personal digs and RSS feed posts.

What do you know about Horza?

SimpsonsTeppler already did it.

He's probably a Jimmy.

https://i.ibb.co/LrGK65T/jimmy1.png
https://i.ibb.co/dmyzrtC/jimmy2.png
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[Mblake81]

This message is hidden because Horza is on your ignore list.

There he goes. What was it this time, a personal dig or a feed post?

Apologies, OP. this is just cluttering your blizzard thread. I would have erased it but green text Galach wanted to know why I delete comments, so this stays but I will not be responding to Horza anymore in your thread. It's just the same bs each time.

Happy thursday.

[bigjeff100]

There he goes. What was it this time, a personal dig or a feed post?

Apologies, OP. this is just cluttering your blizzard thread. I would have erased it but green text Galach wanted to know why I delete comments, so this stays but I will not be responding to Horza anymore in your thread. It's just the same bs each time.

Happy thursday.

Haha just checking up to make sure i'm also still blocked Mblake81.

[Patriam1066]

ww2 was a war between competing white supremacist empires and the soviet union

WW2 era Japan would’ve stopped the Hong Kong protests

[zodium]

if you had run your own business earning the equivalent of $5000 net every single day since columbus discovered america, you still wouldn't be a billionaire

[BlackBellamy]

WW2 era Japan would’ve stopped the Hong Kong protests

They did! The Brits were like oh yeah quite sorry this is our island right and proper and then Lieutenant General Takashi Sakai showed up with his three regiments and put more than a thousand limeys in the ground!

Protest over!

[Teppler]

Horza could be a bot. You never know. He doesn’t display much human behavior, emotion or reason like I can see from other posters. Yes Mblake, multiple people independently notice the same robotic flowchart from Horza that makes him useless to engage.

[zodium]

if you had run your own business earning the equivalent of $5000 net every single day since columbus discovered america, you still wouldn't be a billionaire

suffer not the capitalist

[Horza]

Horza could be a bot. You never know. He doesn’t display much human behavior, emotion or reason like I can see from other posters. Yes Mblake, multiple people independently notice the same robotic flowchart from Horza that makes him useless to engage.

My /pol/ talking points and anti-semitic conspiracy theories aren't convincing him, he must be an NPC.

[Teppler]

It’s your inability to engage in any sort of a deeper discussion about any of your points.

[Wonkie]

It’s your inability to engage in any sort of a deeper discussion about any of your points.

Googling interest free banking gives me a bunch of Sharia banks.

Explain yourself.

[Teppler]

Googling interest free banking gives me a bunch of Sharia banks.

Explain yourself.

Figure it out. This doesn’t surprise me. I bet Horza will understand this.

[Wonkie]

Figure it out.

der führer war ein Muslim

[Horza]

Blizzard plans to allow Blitzchung to collect his prize money after all and reduce his suspension. (https://kotaku.com/blizzard-reduces-suspension-of-hearthstone-player-who-m-1838984893)

“I want to be clear: our relationships in China had no influence on our decision," wrote Brack.

Brack went on to say that, since Blitzchung did not break any rules while playing the actual game, he’ll get to collect his prize money after all. However, he’ll still be suspended. Now, though, the suspension is six months instead of a year.

[Baler]

https://i.imgur.com/3oLDA2E.png

[loramin]

“I want to be clear: our relationships in China had no influence on our decision," wrote Brack.

We are very angered and disappointed at what happened at the event last weekend and highly object to the expression of personal political beliefs in any of our events. As always, we will defend the pride and dignity of China at all cost.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/10/blizzard-reinstates-hong-kong-protestors-prize-says-china-had-no-influence/ (bottom of article)

[Cecily]

It's nice to see a preview of the dystopian hellscape China is gonna make of this country when they get tired of making plastic toys.

[Baler]

fuck mainland china's government and fuck anyone who kisses their ass.

I don't even want a diablo 2 remastered now.

[zodium]

extremely deng voice > guys its fine if we have a little capitalism

[Swish]

https://i.imgur.com/3oLDA2E.png

lol

[Jimjam]

It's nice to see a preview of the dystopian hellscape China is gonna make of this country when they get tired of making plastic toys.

When is China going to buy out Games Workshop so i can finally pick up my tiny plastic man dollies for 25 pence a piece?!

[loramin]

When is China going to buy out Games Workshop so i can finally pick up my tiny plastic man dollies for 25 pence a piece?!

Production costs have never justified GW prices (ok, maybe in their very early days, but certainly not since they switched to plastic).

Plenty of other companies sell minis for like half the price. I bet they all source to China, it's just that GW likes to jack prices up.

[Horza]

Xi warns attempts to divide China will end in 'shattered bones.' (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-politics-xi/chinas-xi-warns-attempts-to-divide-china-will-end-in-shuttered-bones-idUSKBN1WS07W)

Chinese President Xi Jinping warned on Sunday that any attempt to divide China will be crushed, as Beijing faces political challenges in months-long protests in Hong Kong and U.S. criticism over its treatment of Muslim minority groups.

“Anyone attempting to split China in any part of the country will end in crushed bodies and shattered bones,” he told Nepal’s Prime Minister KP Sharma Oli in a meeting on Sunday, according to China’s state broadcaster CCTV.

[Baler]

Horza is a bot that posts articles with copy/paste text from them

[Horza]

Horza is a bot that posts articles with copy/paste text from them

Teppler already did it.

He's probably a Jimmy.

https://i.ibb.co/LrGK65T/jimmy1.png
https://i.ibb.co/dmyzrtC/jimmy2.png
https://i.ibb.co/nn9jLDS/jimmy3.png
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https://i.ibb.co/QFgFpKH/jimmy8.png

[Bisonzabi]

Unlike the USSR, China's always had a difficult time understanding soft-power and subversion. It's relied entirely on its economy these past 3 decades to bolster its influence despite it being completely reliant Western businesses. So what you have is a country that uses blunt hard language in every scenario.

[Thrombosis]

Unlike the USSR, China's always had a difficult time understanding soft-power and subversion. It's relied entirely on its economy these past 3 decades to bolster its influence despite it being completely reliant Western businesses. So what you have is a country that uses blunt hard language in every scenario.

Oh I dunno, the fact they've used their economic might to buy Hollywood and large swathes of the video game, sporting and tech industries (this is just the tip of the iceberg imo) suggests they understand soft power very well. When the west was rich, we gave tax cuts to the wealthy, now China is rich they are buying assets that can be used to exert influence on their enemies.

[Bisonzabi]

Oh I dunno, the fact they've used their economic might to buy Hollywood and large swathes of the video game, sporting and tech industries (this is just the tip of the iceberg imo) suggests they understand soft power very well. When the west was rich, we gave tax cuts to the wealthy, now China is rich they are buying assets that can be used to exert influence on their enemies.

That's a mixture of economic influence more so than soft power (your image, aspiration potential on other nations). The problem is that the end result is not to their liking. They're very blunt and jump in like a bull in a chinashop (no pun intended) when things don't go their way. And while they might buy shares into these companies or bribe them with their own populaces potential market, they don't actually produce the movies themselves nor do they understand how to deal with backlash without throwing an all out censorship temper tantrum which is what they're doing with the NBA fiasco. And this shows how flimsy their soft-power is when you see a major immediate counter reaction in how they deal with tension by escalating immediately to hard power.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-big-bet-soft-power
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-has-a-soft-power-problem-11567696212

[Thrombosis]

That's a mixture of economic influence more so than soft power (your image, aspiration potential on other nations). The problem is that the end result is not to their liking. They're very blunt and jump in like a bull in a chinashop (no pun intended) when things don't go their way. And while they might buy shares into these companies or bribe them with their own populaces potential market, they don't actually produce the movies themselves nor do they understand how to deal with backlash without throwing an all out censorship temper tantrum which is what they're doing with the NBA fiasco. And this shows how flimsy their soft-power is when you see a major immediate counter reaction in how they deal with tension by escalating immediately to hard power.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-big-bet-soft-power
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-has-a-soft-power-problem-11567696212

Interesting link, the CFR one - thanks. I think their inability to deal with the reaction to the NBA fiasco comes from them not really understanding how much noise can be made on the free internet, understandably perhaps as they don't have the free internet. I could be wrong here as I'm not in the US but I don't think it was CNN or the NYT who first reported on the NBA/Blizzard issues - if this was the pre-internet age I wonder if we'd know about it at all. I suggest that the free internet is going to come under sustained attack over the next few years, already in my country the EU has succeeded in making the internet less free - many US news websites will not serve content to me because of EU passed laws. I also have concerns about things like abandoning net neutrality and how that could be abused to make wrongthink more difficult to access.

[Jibartik]

I am just chiming in here to say some American companies boycotted the silly Chinese rules and still became the most richest and powerful companies on the planet.

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Twitter
Google

But you know, the athleete Lebron james is right, american economy gota make dat money right?

Sorry signing off, I stand with hong kong.

[Jibartik]

Oh no the UI just got banned in china :o

[Thrombosis]

Dreamworks' Abominable features scene depicting China's illegal territorial claim. (https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/10/18/1961292/mtrcb-abominable-philippine-theaters-tuesday) Frankly amazing that a US company would feature that, glad the Philippines have banned the whole film, will any western countries do likewise? I doubt it but it's the only way you're going to stop Chinese influence on culture.

[Horza]

Frankly amazing that a US company would feature that, glad the Philippines have banned the whole film, will any western countries do likewise?

Abominable is a joint production between Dreamworks Animation and Pearl Studio in Shanghai.

[Swish]

Abominable is a joint production between Dreamworks Animation and Pearl Studio in Shanghai.

https://i.imgur.com/cJIEXzN.gif

[Thrombosis]

NBA Hong Kong row reveals China's control of corporate America (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/20/nba-hong-kong-row-reveals-chinas-control-corporate-america/) They aren't taking our lunch money right folks?

In the late 1980s David Stern, then NBA commissioner, offered to let China to broadcast the league’s games on state television.

Basketball was popular in the country (Mao had been a fan) and Mr Stern saw a chance to get a foothold in an expanding market.

He was sensitive to the charge of pandering to a repressive regime with a grim human rights record, particularly for a league that has always been vocal on social issues.

But the money won out.

"Believe me, the China situation bothers me,” he told an interviewer in 2006. “But I have a responsibility to my owners to make money. I can never forget that, no matter what my personal feelings might be."

Thirteen years later and that conflict has come to a head.

On Friday, current commissioner Adam Silver revealed that Beijing had asked him to fire Daryl Morey, the general manager of the Houston Rockets, after Mr Morey sent a tweet in support of protesters in Hong Kong.

The latest revelation followed a week of outrage on both sides of the Pacific, with NBA supporters in America appealing to the league not to bow to Chinese pressure.

In the end Mr Silver’s response was blunt - “We said there’s no chance that’s happening. There’s no chance we’ll even discipline him.”

But the episode has created an awakening in the West about the extent of Chinese influence over American corporations, which has metastised through Hollywood, the gaming, hotel and airline industries, big tech, automobile makers, and others.

Corporate America is facing accusations that is sacrificing free speech in order to make a buck in the East.

"The NBA episode just emphasised the clash between the effort to stick up for Western values and the desire of companies, not just corporate America but multinationals, to serve their bottom line," said Bonnie Glaser, a China expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

"This really impacted Americans in a way that other incidents hadn't because of America's love of sport. But this is not a new problem. The Chinese are trying to ride this, to use it to stoke nationalism, and spread support for the Chinese communist party. This is a playbook they've been using for several years, it works, and they're going to use it more."

With the exception of the odd executive American companies have shown little desire to uphold the ideals of the West in the face of Chinese pressure.

And, when they do, they have not been treated sympathetically by their own employers. The dollar, or in this case the yuan, rules.

For many US industries the Chinese market, with its 1.4 billion customers, is the Holy Grail.

Over the next 20 years China will need more than 6,000 new airplanes, a market worth around $1 trillion. In 2020, China's film market will for the first time eclipse North America as the biggest in the world, raking in over $12 billion at the box office.

In recent years Apple has sold up to a quarter of its iPhones in China. Starbucks has over 3,000 stores there, its biggest market outside the US. Nike made $1.38 billion in China last year, 70 per cent of it from shoes.

In exchange, China has expected an acquiescence from these corporations on politically sensitive topics, particularly those surrounding its geographic sovereignty.

Last year, Marriott International, which has over 100 hotels in China, had its website shut down for a week after the Cyberspace Administration internet watchdog found it had listed Taiwan, Tibet and Hong Kong as separate countries from China.

Marriott's apology was unequivocal. It said: "Marriott International respects the sovereignty and territorial integrity of China. We don’t support separatist groups that subvert the sovereignty and territorial integrity of China. "We sincerely apologise for any actions that may have suggested otherwise."

Beijing also threatened to sanction US airlines - American, Delta, and United - unless they made changes to how they classified Taiwan on their websites. They all did.

A wave of luxury brands recently released statements apologising for a variety of perceived slights against China, among them Givenchy, Calvin Klein, Versace and Swarovski.

Hollywood studios hold a special place among those prepared to go the extra mile not to offend China.

In 2016, Marvel Studios cast Tilda Swinton to play a character in "Doctor Strange" who was originally supposed to be from Tibet. C. Robert Cargill, the screenwriter, said to make the character Tibetan would "risk alienating one billion people who think that that’s bulls--t, and risk the Chinese government going, 'We’re not going to show your movie because you decided to get political.'"

The method of control works both ways. When Top Gun: Maverick came along, US fans quickly spotted that Tom Cruise's jacket was without the Taiwanese flag it had borne in the original film 30 years earlier. The sequel was partly produced by the Chinese production company Tencent Pictures, which also funded "Wonder Woman".

The pressure has become more aggressive in recent years, as China has opened up to the Internet, making it more difficult for corporations to tailor their messages to a geographic audience.

"China used to only worry about speech and behaviour that occurred in China, and in Chinese," said Scott Kennedy, a Washington-based authority on the Chinese economy. "Now, it's speech and behaviour that occurs anywhere, even in English, even on platforms Chinese people can't have access to legally. The Chinese expansion of its propaganda and censorship system is the biggest change."

That includes an army of concerned Chinese citizens scouring the internet for offensive acts by foreign companies.

It was a Tweet - just seven words long - that landed the NBA in China's bad books.

"Fight for freedom. Stand with Hong Kong," Mr Morley wrote on Twitter on Oct 4, in reference to the months of anti-Beijing protests that have rocked the semi-autonomous city.

In an instant, the NBA's lucrative relationship with China - it accounts for about 10 per cent of net revenue and growing - imploded. China cancelled TV coverage of NBA games. Chinese advertisers, taking their cue from the government, ran for the hills.

Mr Morley's tweet was subsequently deleted, and a statement on Weibo, China’s alternative to Twitter, said the NBA was "extremely disappointed" by the "inappropriate" comment.

But there were hints that the league's response would diverge from the standard grovelling retraction. A statement in English merely said the situation was "regrettable".

The NBA later said it would not "regulate what players, employees and team owners say."

On Friday, Mr Silver said losses from the fallout had been “fairly dramatic”, and were continuing, but he stuck by the NBA's position.

The NBA’s stance has won support among its fans in the US, and even brought the Hong Kong protest movement into mainstream consciousness. Some started taking "Free Hong Kong" signs to games.

Last week Marco Rubio, the Republican senator, accused China of "using access to market as leverage to crush free speech globally".

He was speaking after gaming company Activision Blizzard, in which Tencent has a stake, suspended an e-sports player who shouted "Liberate Hong Kong" in Mandarin during a live broadcast. His $10,000 prize money was withdrawn.

Mark Kern, a prominent former Blizzard employee, led vocal opposition to the move and urged other gamers to "rise up" to protect free speech, despite the risks to his own business investments.

Mr Kern, who is ethnically Chinese, wrote on Twitter: "We are in a situation where unlimited Communist money dictates our American values. We censor our games for China, we censor our movies for China. Now, game companies are silencing voices for freedom and democracy.

"I take a huge risk by saying this. China monitors all social media and I know this means that we will probably never get an investment from China for my new MMO [multiplayer online game], and probably never get a licence to operate there."

[Kaveh]

China sucks. They always have. When they get uppity we’ll arm the mongols

Problem solved

[Mblake81]

hard pass

[Horza]

Blizzard employees strongly support company's punishment of Hong Kong advocate and player censorship of sensitive Chinese topics. (https://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2019/10/blizzard-hong-kong-protest-hearthstone-blind-app.html)

According to a survey recently launched by the development team of Blind, an anonymous messaging app for tech company staffers, a strong majority of Blizzard employees actually support the punishment of Chung -- and in general, strongly support censorship of players criticizing China's government. Asked, "Should Blizzard reverse its banning of the Hearthstone player?" only 36% of Blizzard employees surveyed responded Yes. However, a solid majority of 64% opposed the reversal.

[wildstar]

Blizzard employees strongly support company's punishment of Hong Kong advocate and player censorship of sensitive Chinese topics. (https://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2019/10/blizzard-hong-kong-protest-hearthstone-blind-app.html)

According to a survey recently launched by the development team of Blind, an anonymous messaging app for tech company staffers, a strong majority of Blizzard employees actually support the punishment of Chung -- and in general, strongly support censorship of players criticizing China's government. Asked, "Should Blizzard reverse its banning of the Hearthstone player?" only 36% of Blizzard employees surveyed responded Yes. However, a solid majority of 64% opposed the reversal.

Blizzard hires mainly in Irvine and San Francisco and Blizzard is on the myvisajobs website. A lot of the tech companies out in Silicon Valley bay area hire over 75% foreigners. These people don't appreciate the freedoms people here in the USA have and it reflects in our current day troubles with the companies behaving like publishers instead of platforms such as Reddit, Twitter, Facebook and others. And amazingly Blizzards employees all support the censorship. Though there could be other reasons why they support the censorship. Businesses are only there to make money obviously. It could be a bad move for them to be potentially removed from the Chinese market.

These are just my opinions. I am just shooting in the dark and assuming they hire a lot of foreigners like the rest of Silicon Valley.

[Baler]

Blizzard hires mainly in Irvine and San Francisco and Blizzard is on the myvisajobs website. A lot of the tech companies out in Silicon Valley bay area hire over 75% foreigners. These people don't appreciate the freedoms people here in the USA have and it reflects in our current day troubles with the companies behaving like publishers instead of platforms such as Reddit, Twitter, Facebook and others. And amazingly Blizzards employees all support the censorship. Though there could be other reasons why they support the censorship. Businesses are only there to make money obviously. It could be a bad move for them to be potentially removed from the Chinese market.

These are just my opinions. I am just shooting in the dark and assuming they hire a lot of foreigners like the rest of Silicon Valley.

you're not wrong
It's a shame many people can't discuss this without getting crazy and screaming racism or other nonsense that does nothing to progress the topic.

[Wonkie]

These are just my opinions. I am just shooting in the dark and assuming they hire a lot of foreigners like the rest of Silicon Valley.

you probably left out converting salary to stock percentages

finance is wicked

[Mblake81]

behaving like publishers instead of platforms such as Reddit, Twitter, Facebook and others. .

https://i.imgur.com/CvECtSU.png

[Jimjam]

Its probably part of their compliance training not to do or say anything that makes the company look bad in public.

[Swish]

Blizzard hires mainly in Irvine and San Francisco and Blizzard is on the myvisajobs website. A lot of the tech companies out in Silicon Valley bay area hire over 75% foreigners. These people don't appreciate the freedoms people here in the USA have and it reflects in our current day troubles with the companies behaving like publishers instead of platforms such as Reddit, Twitter, Facebook and others. And amazingly Blizzards employees all support the censorship. Though there could be other reasons why they support the censorship. Businesses are only there to make money obviously. It could be a bad move for them to be potentially removed from the Chinese market.

These are just my opinions. I am just shooting in the dark and assuming they hire a lot of foreigners like the rest of Silicon Valley.

It still wouldn't have been that hard for them to stay on the fence with the whole China/HK ordeal.

[zodium]

Blizzard hires mainly in Irvine and San Francisco and Blizzard is on the myvisajobs website. A lot of the tech companies out in Silicon Valley bay area hire over 75% foreigners. These people don't appreciate the freedoms people here in the USA have and it reflects in our current day troubles with the companies behaving like publishers instead of platforms such as Reddit, Twitter, Facebook and others. And amazingly Blizzards employees all support the censorship. Though there could be other reasons why they support the censorship. Businesses are only there to make money obviously. It could be a bad move for them to be potentially removed from the Chinese market.

These are just my opinions. I am just shooting in the dark and assuming they hire a lot of foreigners like the rest of Silicon Valley.

imagine believing americans have freedom lmao

[Jimjam]

imagine believing americans have freedom lmao

Is it true you guys inherit debt ?

[zodium]

debt and inheritance are reactionary tools of labor exploitation and capital concentration, comrade

[Baler]

rumors of a big announcement at blizcon

[Jimjam]

debt and inheritance are reactionary tools of labor exploitation and capital concentration, comrade

Doesn't sound like generational Slavery was every really abolished. Just the legal responsibilities for the upkeep and well being of the slaves were passed onto the slaves themselves.

Very disappointing to hear.

[zodium]

Doesn't sound like generational Slavery was every really abolished. Just the legal responsibilities for the upkeep and well being of the slaves were passed onto the slaves themselves.

Very disappointing to hear.

correct, comrade, it is extremely disappointing. only when debt and inheritance are abolished entirely can we be truly free.

[Swish]

rumors of a big announcement at blizcon

We ALL love Diablo, right?

Well, have we got news for YOU!...

[Baler]

We ALL love Diablo, right?

Well, have we got news for YOU!...

kind of sad but funny...

A diablo 2 remastered would smooth over a lot of peoples anger for blizz atm.
Or it could be diablo 4

edit: something something diablo: immoral.

[Jibartik]

Can someone play P99 in china?

[Baler]

Can someone play P99 in china?

With a vpn to get outside the Chinese government controlled internet. sure I guess.

[Sinistria]

Path of exile is pretty nice if someone were disapointed of Diablo3.

At least you don't need phones for that.

[Baler]

Path of exile is pretty nice if someone were disapointed of Diablo3.

Been playing PoE since closed beta. It's the best ARPG on the market. Has new expansions every 3 months. Really good stuff.

We should play sometime, after green settles down. :)

[bilirubin]

My comments were deleted in this thread lol, so much for freedom of speech

[getlostgreg]

https://i.imgur.com/9yiGdwi.png

[Wonkie]

oh blizzcon is tomorrow

this is gonna be epic XD

[Horza]

Diablo IV announced at Blizzcon. There’s no word yet on a release date, but it will be coming to the PC, PS4, and Xbox One. (https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/1/20942565/diablo-4-announced-release-date-blizzcon-2019)

[Wonkie]

Diablo IV announced at Blizzcon. There’s no word yet on a release date, but it will be coming to the PC, PS4, and Xbox One. (https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/1/20942565/diablo-4-announced-release-date-blizzcon-2019)

Cinematic was good, smacks of anti-Jacobin revisionasm though

[Horza]

The Next World of Warcraft Expansion, Shadowlands, Takes Players into the Afterlife. (https://kotaku.com/the-lich-king-returns-expansion-is-shadowlands-1839532064)

At the heart of the Maw lies Torghast, Tower of the Damned, a cursed otherworldly prison where the wickedest souls in the universe are locked away. Highly replayable and inspired by roguelike games, heroes are invited to explore its ever-changing halls and chambers and do battle with the minions of the Jailer, Torghast’s vile ruler.

[bilirubin]

I wonder if the blizzcon protestors are harassing and beating the elderly like the HK ones do...

[Jibartik]

Diablo IV announced at Blizzcon. There’s no word yet on a release date, but it will be coming to the PC, PS4, and Xbox One. (https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/1/20942565/diablo-4-announced-release-date-blizzcon-2019)

I find it ironic that the most "realistic" looking of blizzards games involves the dramatic pressing one button in rapid succession as the entirety of its gameplay.

[Wonkie]

I find it ironic that the most "realistic" looking of blizzards games involves the dramatic pressing one button in rapid succession as the entirety of its gameplay.

the button is 'investment' and by and large it's the iWin button for irl

:eek:

[Horza]

Trying to understand the leveling squish and all this scaling junk is blowing my hasn't-played-since-TBC mind.

[Baler]

Blizz should just stop making games and become full time cinematic movie makers.

[Mblake81]

AAA companies should just stop making games and become full time Pixar movie makers.

[Vormotus]

the blizzard we grew up with died a long time ago
was really annoyed when skeletons graphics were removed from LoL, DoTA 2
thanks a lot China

Wut? Why no skellies? Totally out of the loop on this

[Baler]

Blizzard really thinks it can smooth things over by announcing some heavy hitter titles.
And the "apology" that J. Allen Brack gave was such horseshit. He never said what they were sorry for or even gave any context.
He came out made vague sentences and clearly wanted to get applause at staged points of his bullshit corporate speech.

----
Wut? Why no skellies? Totally out of the loop on this

censorship in china
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/49x7m0/chinese_wow_censorship_comparisonlots_of/

[Nirgon]

Wut? Why no skellies? Totally out of the loop on this

you cant depict skeletons in Chinese culture because it dishonors the dead

That gets forced on all of us, of course

[Lulz Sect]

MUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SKELETON HEROS!!!!!!

https://i.imgur.com/sza5jKg.gif

[Jibartik]

I have no interest in playing this hunk of trash 1 button mobile game on a PC but I wish someone would mod EQ to look like this :o

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/L2XNY5?fbclid=IwAR0sdek39hSOhksSHbgiGs8NkWyG5PsYMo 5lVAoD_rxZhqWYWxGZyL8knzw

https://i.imgur.com/Vv2PVcr.png

https://i.imgur.com/z6t3BBZ.jpg

[Mblake81]

@OP

ill pass on real world/parallel politics in games. E-Sports can also drive off a cliff.

[getlostgreg]

https://streamable.com/8pi86

The protesters at Blizzcon. It was a bloodbath apparently.

[loramin]

Honestly I give the yelling kid props: it takes guts to yell out in a giant auditorium like that, and then to keep doing it with no support ... brave kid.

[Swish]

https://streamable.com/8pi86

The protesters at Blizzcon. It was a bloodbath apparently.

Hong Kong #1

Honestly Blizzard really shouldn't be pandering to China, just make games without copying other games for once in a decade and try to be creative and original.

D4 might save them, maybe. People still remember the 700+ job losses at Activision, when's the next round of that happening I wonder?

[casiof91w]

I do think D4 looks really good, but I'm going to have to pass. Getting bored with video games nowadays anyhow, and when I do need that fix I just play Project 1999.

[Baler]

https://streamable.com/8pi86

The protesters at Blizzcon. It was a bloodbath apparently.

lol he walked in front of the camera

Blizz team is like, snipers take that kid out.

[Lulz Sect]

i reinstalled shekelstone on my iPhone after reading an article about MTG
forgive me

[solleks]

maybe this is how they are going to get younger kids into political narratives.

[Baler]

maybe this is how they are going to get younger kids into political narratives.

Train them while they're young.. Then they'll teach their kids so the cycle repeats.

[Mblake81]

Blizzard really shouldn't be pandering to China

D4 might save them, maybe.

doubt it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4c7s1OLJBU) This phase should have already passed but there is too much money in fey dudes to let it go.

https://i.imgur.com/GGGuCq9.jpg

[Mblake81]

https://i.imgur.com/ra0AeVq.jpg


Dear Diablo family (https://us.diablo3.com/en/blog/23220969/a-letter-from-our-game-director-blizzcon-2019-11-13-2019),

Thank you all for a great BlizzCon. We unveiled Diablo IV with our announce cinematic, establishing the tone for our overall creative vision moving forward. We hope you all dug that.

https://i.imgur.com/Kuqge6F.jpg

DEVIL, the family game. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cH8ZwL3A7Q)

[Vormotus]

You know, seeing this, I must confess I am the kind of guy that NEVER ever actually enjoyed Diablo, or even liked Starcraft back in the day.

Only game I mildly enjoyed as one of many during my vintage pc gaming era was Warcraft 1 and only because I had friends to lan with it.

I actually enjoyed GTA 2 more on my lan parties , due to how awesome it was with friends and its birds eye view of the map plus HOMM2 which gave me more fun than any other blizzard game.

Everybody suddenly became a Diablo fanboi and I could not see the appeal, I played D1 with some of my friends but then I remember being so busy dying in Nektulos and actually urging them to play with me EQ ... but back in the day no one but me was able to afford a CC number to pay eq1 whereas EVERYBODY had a cracked copy of D1.

So I was left behind by sheer economics just because I got a prepaid visa back in the day when my country allowed USD International Transactions,before the ban of foreign currencies

Fast forward decades into the future and I am still here wondering why people liked those games so much and why Blizzard got so big on that.

But to be honest I bought the Diablo RPG book compatible with D&D 3.0 back in the day just to feel a bit included haha 8)

https://i.imgur.com/TQWDdij.jpg

[Mblake81]

Same guy that got me into EQ let me borrow his copy of D1. I didn't think it was some great game back in the day, imo some aspects of it are in hindsight and compared with the new releases of it. Older RPG guys don't hold it in some high esteem. Its a basic hack and slash, were you are an ordinary adventurer and you get yourself into something wayy over your head.

At the time in the united states we were going through the "Satanic Panic", video games were being scrutinized and regulated (such as Night Trap, Mortal Kombat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJVnL484jbk)) and these were taboo. Movies, music, games were involved with all of this going back to the 1960s (https://youtu.be/xHAnR0198V4?t=646). Even Dungeons and Dragons, part of which Everquest is inspired by, was in the mix with all of this.

A number of factors contributed to the increased interest in, and fear of, the occult during the late 1960s and 1970s. The Manson cult’s operation in the late ‘60s culminated in a string of mass murders in the summer of 1969 that shocked the nation and put organized ritualistic killing on the brain.

Accompanying the rise of Satanism as a recognized practice was the 1971 publication of William Peter Blatty’s bestselling novel The Exorcist and its blockbuster 1973 film adaptation. With its claims of being based on a true story, The Exorcist profoundly impacted America’s collective psyche regarding the existence of demons, and single-handedly transformed the popular Ouija board from a fun, harmless parlor game into a malevolent device capable of inducing spirit possession, demonic infestation, or other paranormal activity.

At various times in its history, Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) has received negative publicity for alleged or perceived promotion of such practices as Satanism, witchcraft, suicide, pornography, and murder. Especially during the 1980s, certain religious groups accused the game of encouraging sorcery and the veneration of demons. Throughout the history of role-playing games, many of these criticisms have not been aimed specifically at D&D, but touch on the genre of fantasy role-playing games as a whole.

The concept of Dungeons & Dragons as Satanic was linked to the concept of Satanic ritual abuse, in that both presumed the existence of large, organized Satanic cults and societies. Sources such as the Dark Dungeons tract from Chick Publications portray D&D as a recruitment tool for these organizations

Diablo itself is just a hack n slash dungeon game, it was the imagery, atmosphere and the music that made it something worth remembering today. Imo its not something the new diablo games can achieve. New players would have no reference as to why, its not relevant in their lives (soy based products, hipster craft brews etc are) or the society at large. The topic is not on television, movies or the music that is "bad for you" to listen to.

Love, peace, harmony, dick sucking and ass licking are more relevant in todays culture. You have games with lesbian scenes, more promotion of LGBT themes and acceptances. The media reflects this. That is what kids of today will be looking back on with nostalgia glasses in twenty years. This is their taboo thrill. Edit note: Except its in reverse. The influences of diablo were fought against even by people you admire and respected. It was the dark (not cringe cheese of today) and sinister elements of society that led to temptations with this. In contrast, these LGBT influences are actively promoted and supported all the way up to the top branches of government. It's a twist. Actively being tossed into this whereas the other stuff had people shielding you away from it.

Having a copy of DOOM with its pentagrams and devils. It was a bad thing. Today, like DEVIL, it is on the way to becoming a more "approachable and family friendly" product.

[Horza]

Love, peace, harmony, dick sucking and ass licking are more relevant in todays culture. You have games with lesbian scenes, more promotion of LGBT themes and acceptances. The media reflects this.

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[Mblake81]

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[Lone Gnome]

Apparently he was caught in todays ban wave with baler and many others

[Vormotus]

Apparently he was caught in todays ban wave with baler and many others

Can anyone tell me why people are being banned? are these users actually doing something so bad they have to be banned?

Genuinely curious, I surf the forums while afking on my necro, have never seen anything too egregiously bad, but then again perhaps I have not looked deep enough or bothered with some political threads...