Green server: NBG or everyone rolls?

[Swish]

So you're in Crushbone on day 2 of the green server coming up. You're in a full group and you're in the throne room pulling anything you can manage...everyone is dressed to die, with rusty weapons and patchwork armor for the most part.

Emperor Crush and Ambassador D`Vinn appear separately

Crush drops his -> https://wiki.project1999.com/Dwarven_Ringmail_Tunic

Then later,

Ambassador D`Vinn drops his -> https://wiki.project1999.com/Dragoon_Dirk


...there's a warrior and a rogue in this group, but also a cleric, mage, ranger and druid.


Do the casters get to roll on both items? Does the cleric get to roll on the dirk? How would you play it as the group leader?

Everyone is going to be wanting equipment upgrades, right?

[zodium]

trick question, the most classic would be to ninjaloot it yourself

[DMN]

Gratz bladefrenzy

[zodium]

ayy this guy gets it

[Jimjam]

Halfling warrior gets both; great stat items and when he outgrows them he can convert one into a port cap and the other into a vanity proc mace.

[Swish]

Seems tough on the casters.

[whitebandit]

Did I Stutter?

[Jibartik]

Ask your pug group.

You could pass on this epic loot you cant use on Tuesday and then everyone greed rolls when your super rare class only drop falls on Wednesday.

Seems tough on the casters.

Insert gif of them soloing named creatures while paladin kicks rocks alone.

[Izmael]

The right answer is a wizard wins the greed roll and we have a 10 page thread in RnF.

[Swish]

The right answer is a wizard wins the greed roll and we have a 10 page thread in RnF.

The famous t-staff thread but on a crush tunic? Possible!

Would you trade 20 CB belts for a tunic?

[Rogean]

trick question, the most classic would be to ninjaloot it yourself

This guy is going for the hidden "First player to be banned" achievement.

:D

[Niedar]

That is not classic.

[Gustoo]

In a normal group that stuff would be rolled on by everyone who can use it. its mega common and if you guys stay there you will all get one, so its just a matter of who gets it first.

The dagger should go to rogue first to help group. thats what it would do.

when does dragoon dirk replace ornate dagger ive never heard about?

[zodium]

This guy is going for the hidden "First player to be banned" achievement.

:D

can't believe this guy won't even let us relive the classic experience of getting solo exp on an open nagafen raid after my entire group and most of the raid wiped and I looted a cof before anyone could get rezzed

[Master Roshi]

in a random grp its going to be everyone for themselves, there's zero chance of people passing. People may even make an alt class just because they won a Dragoon Dirk.

If this is a guild grp, then you get to see people's true colors ahead of time.

That's about it.

[BlackBellamy]

NBG in pug means someone is trying to screw you out of your loot rights.

[Baler]

I believe in need before greed.

/random in pick up groups.

One persons should not be getting everything.

[Tethler]

Decide loot rules when group is formed and just follow whatever rules everyone agreed to. Some groups will be NBG and some will be everyone rolls. /shrug

[fugazi]

Need before greed. Anything else is a betrayal of the group and the individual.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

trick question, the most classic would be to ninjaloot it yourself

all kidding aside probably everyone rolls

[rikustrength]

Honestly if you're with friends do whatever you all agree on. If you want to do nbg and help get a particular person geared with stuff that drops there then go for it, but the whole premise of nbg is pretty flawed in pug.

So you're at a camp that doesn't drop any caster gear and you're a caster? Whatever melee stuff is dropping is literally just as valuable to you as it is to the players that can actively equip it. You don't deserve loot any less than anyone else simply by merit of having made a character that doesn't have specific loot drops there. "I can equip this so I deserve an upgrade" is flawed logic. That item has value to everyone. Go round Robin on loot until everyone has something, and offer to trade if you want. Half the party being precluded from getting anything for no reason sucks. Esp on green where we are all starting over.

[Jimjam]

Honestly if you're with friends do whatever you all agree on. If you want to do nbg and help get a particular person geared with stuff that drops there then go for it, but the whole premise of nbg is pretty flawed in pug.

So you're at a camp that doesn't drop any caster gear and you're a caster? Whatever melee stuff is dropping is literally just as valuable to you as it is to the players that can actively equip it. You don't deserve loot any less than anyone else simply by merit of having made a character that doesn't have specific loot drops there. "I can equip this so I deserve an upgrade" is flawed logic. That item has value to everyone. Go round Robin on loot until everyone has something, and offer to trade if you want. Half the party being precluded from getting anything for no reason sucks. Esp on green where we are all starting over.

There are no such camps; spell research drops off everything from teens up, right?

I guarantee some magi will insist on greed rolling items because 'no items drop here for my class and i need spell money' then throw their toys out the pram when he doesn't get defaulted the research piece they need.

I remember on highpass orcs live i looted a piece of rawhide on my shaman and some ass demanded i give it to him for research. Apparently shaman is not tank class and doesn't need armour and is a chain class anyway so i should just keep the slot empty.

Still bitter 19 years later.

[rikustrength]

That doesn't really change anything. Are the research components valuable? Everyone rolls. Everyone should roll and take turns until everyone has something valuable.

Everything that drops in the game is only it's value in platinum at the end of the day, and everyone can use that Plat the same as anyone else.

[W1Z4RD]

I've always defaulted to NBG, unless it's something stupid expensive.

[enesis]

but I NEEEEEED plat

JK, guild groups + NBG for life

[Jibartik]

That doesn't really change anything. Are the research components valuable? Everyone rolls. Everyone should roll and take turns until everyone has something valuable.

Everything that drops in the game is only it's value in platinum at the end of the day, and everyone can use that Plat the same as anyone else.

I agree in blanket 100% rolls. It makes me sound like a greedy person, but in the end I have seen more people get ripped off because of some dude being like but I need it then they just leave the group and never play that stupid alt again.

Either you have a basic rule that is fair for literally every single player on the server.

Or you create these house of cards social constructs to negotiate between an ever changing group dynamic.

Just type /random 100 and pass on stuff when you dont want it is the ultimate fair way to deal with project 1999, green or blue or whatever.

Work it out with your friends, but by default it just make sense to roll on something you actually want.

[Canelek]

For PUGs at least, the only 100% fair way is for everyone to have the option to roll. NBG is an opportunity for a greedy player to exploit an NBG dynamic to quickly outfit alts or simply stack non-lore items to sell.

Cynical sounding, I know, but objectively fair for PUGs, which by nature are constantly changing out people. If things are NBG at say Frenzy camp, how would casters feel about only having a chance at Moonstone Rings?

Either way, communication is the important thing. Work that shit out ahead of time and make sure everyone is on board with whichever approach. And talk to your kids about the dangers of opioids.

[Jibartik]

Yeah if you're not in a bug, I fully expect a history of friendship to be the decider. :)

But if I don't know you, you don't know what I need. :o

[Tenlaar]

With a loot system set up so that the majority of the places you camp will only have items for a few classes at best, NBG is pretty much limited to guild groups or real friends. Random PUGs setup with NBG in mind are fine if everyone agrees up front but usually stinks of somebody trying to get an item they want at the expense of others that don't have good drops for their classes.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

Our sro orc pug let the tanks gear up first then rolls for everyone on dupes and then all random on all loots in guk

Was p fair

[Arvan]

/random is the fairest and best way to run a PUG

Playing with friends/regulars?

NBG to gear yourselves out makes more sense!

[kjs86z]

Its always going to be /random in PUGs.

[ScottBerta]

Everyone rollz

[uygi]

Never forget being guilded with a jackass that manages to claim need on like 4 or 5 RMoY, I think he sold at least 3 of them.

If you believe in NBG in a PUG, then go ahead and roll on it and give it to the toon with most need, but don’t get butt hurt because the caster that can’t afford their spells wants to roll on a Shiny Brass Halberd. Nothing stupider than the group where we decide to greed roll the item, and then after the roll is over somebody gets really upset and ragequits over it. If you were willing to roll on it and lost, you have no further moral standing to be upset.

[Sonark]

Threads like this remind me of how childish people can be.

A bit like how we use the term "aping" to describe imitating a behaviour, we really should change "childish" to "adultish"

Or something.

Adult shit, possibly.

[Endorra]

You're all wrong. The items go to me since I'm sitting in the zone and I'm the highest on the /list.

Thanks.

WTS

[Asher]

What I don't understand is why everyone wants to roll the instant the item drops? If it isn't "no drop" why not save all loots until the group breaks so the loot can be more evenly split?

[heazels]

The real question would be, why wouldn't the group just be 6 casters because meelee classes suck until twinked.

[FishBait01]

Loot only goes to whom I say

problem solved

[Swish]

What I don't understand is why everyone wants to roll the instant the item drops? If it isn't "no drop" why not save all loots until the group breaks so the loot can be more evenly split?

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