What is the most powerful mob that is soloable?

[brokenpromise]

What is the most powerful soloable mob? Is there a general consensus? What about most powerful and profitable mob?

What's the most powerful mob you've soloed?

[AgentEpilot]

Orc Legionaires

[brokenpromise]

Orc Legionaires

Thank you, I'll update the wiki

[Master Roshi]

it'll be in WW and it'll be by a shaman, imo.

[curtischoy]

Check out the solo artist thread.

[Danth]

That has been, or that is potentially doable? Ignoring clears TO something, high-end solo trophy kills are somewhat of a question of how many soulfire charges/wort pots a high end Monk or Warrior cares to burn. Didn't Detoxx do Talendor that way? Or was it someone else?

Danth

[Kinaki]

If it's profitable, you'll be competing with mouthbreathers for it (see Lodizal)
If it's not profitable, you'll likely be bored after the first kill and not bother again.

[loramin]

I think we all know that what you're looking for isn't any NPC. If you're looking:

https://i.imgur.com/VngJOne.gif

Then remember:

https://i.imgur.com/Jgsu22r.gif
https://i.imgur.com/Rmzennn.png

[Chortles Snort|eS]

stern cringe

[brokenpromise]

stern cringe

Get lost nerd

[Baler]

Without clickies in my opinion it's between Ayillish and a Guardian Wurm.
The former I've soloed.

With clickies prob something crazy idk. clickies are expensive.

PS. the most powerful solo-able mob is not the most profitable.

[Jimjam]

Ice Burrowers in WW on my Ranger. Took 90 mins. Possible much faster with a proper soloing class though. (level 61, 500 damage cancel magic aoe proc, rampages, 'only' 20k hp... but crucially lacks the power of summon).

Fungus king might be a shout, as much of his power is in all his pals guarding him that you need to keep clear or cunningly avoid adding / chealing.

[Ligma]

Right now I think the most impressive solo was fungi king. But BiS monk/warrior can probably do better than that imo. Dunno what but with enough prep time you could even corpse soulfires. Sev or Ixiblat maybe

[reznor_]

The best solo I've seen is druid charm rhinos in WW, and solo the Ice Burrowers. She got skins for that ice silk armor, and outfitted her guildie monks with the random chest piece. Seems like it could be legit.

[aaezil]

A lot of the “solo” videos people post are with full raid buffs from multiple classes and using charm / complete heal clickies so depends how you define “solo”

[whitebandit]

theres the video of the monk soloing uhh one of the dragons, i forget?

[Ligma]

Monks and warriors have solo'd ragefire. But he's super gimp anyway. I'm sure he can be done with no clickies

[AbstractVision]

I've soloed an ice burrower (lvl 61+) on a 56 druid.

Most profitable solo kill? Ragefire or Cliff Golems.

[loramin]

I've soloed an ice burrower (lvl 61+) on a 56 druid.

Wow, how long did that take? I imagine there must have been long stretches of time when all you did was try to land stuff, get resisted, have to run for awhile, med up, repeat ...

[AbstractVision]

Between 30 and 45 minutes. Once I got epic snare in a few times I had built up enough hate that it wouldn't turn on my charmed pets and it started going a lot quicker. It was brutal but fun, didn't even get an ice silk.

[Jimjam]

Between 30 and 45 minutes. Once I got epic snare in a few times I had built up enough hate that it wouldn't turn on my charmed pets and it started going a lot quicker. It was brutal but fun, didn't even get an ice silk.

Sounds a lot less painful than spam summoning arrows on a ranger :p

[uygi]

People talking about solo kills of Sev/Talendor. Did something change, because they used to have too much regen for that to be possible with even infinite Soulfires...

[Arvan]

People talking about solo kills of Sev/Talendor. Did something change, because they used to have too much regen for that to be possible with even infinite Soulfires...

Yeah, they just don't know what they are saying.

[Rang]

People talking about solo kills of Sev/Talendor. Did something change, because they used to have too much regen for that to be possible with even infinite Soulfires...

Talendor would be impossible in my opinion, but Sev.... maybe. I think you are right that one warrior/monk couldn't dps fast enough due to regen but if they had a charmed pet with puppet strings then possibly.

Is OP's question theoretical or are they asking what is the most powerful mob that HAS been solo'd on blue server?

[Argh]

Ragefire probably

[Jimjam]

Fippy Darkpaw or Trumpy Irontoe.

[bigjeff100]

King Xorbb! And nobody has seen him since!

[Ligma]

People talking about solo kills of Sev/Talendor. Did something change, because they used to have too much regen for that to be possible with even infinite Soulfires...

Hasn't sev been trio'd? I know ixiblat was duo'd pre velious but that was with two strings and a Donal BP

[Danth]

If you're talking about my comment, it was probably Ragefire and I heard Talendor someplace because I wasn't there and only heard about it third-hand. Internet version of the "telephone game" more or less.

Danth

[Jibartik]

Is this totally out of date by now? http://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

[Ashenden]

Is this totally out of date by now? http://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

Did golems not have abilities back before they had drops? I didn't raid then. Funny to see two mobs with Cazic Touch and one with a 9 slot dispel under Solo God.

[brokenpromise]

Talendor would be impossible in my opinion, but Sev.... maybe. I think you are right that one warrior/monk couldn't dps fast enough due to regen but if they had a charmed pet with puppet strings then possibly.

Is OP's question theoretical or are they asking what is the most powerful mob that HAS been solo'd on blue server?

I'm asking what has been solod. Theoretical is an interesting question as well

[loramin]

Is this totally out of date by now? http://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

The page has some Velious additions suggested. I don't think it's out of date, so much as it could just use more interest.

I feel like the challenge is one motivated person + one good discussion thread away from having a fully up-to-date (ie. Velious included) set of mobs.

[enjchanter]

It's a fairly subjective question.

But I would say a rough list is
-emporer chottal because hes a level 60 mob that casts the best necro dots , is fairly resistant to magic , dispels, gates and Is behind 2 locked doors and is in proximity of 6 adds including one named itself.

-khelkar icepaw
Hits very hard, backstabs if you get summoned to him, enrages, and Is literally surrounded by adds almost all 50+

-Ayillish
High level dragon , CH's aoe dispel I think ? With new push changes it's likely you'll have to kill the dragon 2 or 3 times over if it's even possible anymore.

The servants in SG probably earn a spot too because they have a strong aoe DD+ dispel while also hitting in the 250s range.

Not exhaustive list but off the top of my head mobs that are soloable

[Tecmos Deception]

Is this totally out of date by now? http://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It's pretty out of date. Some fundamental mechanics have changed since the SAC was created (probably primarily invis pulling, assist mechanics, and summon mechanics), which quite change the difficulty of some of the mobs on the list. Plus the list was pre-velious. But overall it gives you the right general idea of an "easy" solo mob (like froglok king) and works up to the stuff that's nearly or actually impossible in the solo god tier.

The SAC thread (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80165&highlight=solo+artist+challenge), if you have time to work your way through the thing from page 1, can help shed some light on it since it involves a lot of writeups and screenshots and stuff (maybe the SSs are defunct these days though) of how different classes managed different stuff on the list.

Ahh, fond memories. The SAC thread is what prompted me to create my first enchanter (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=716070&postcount=183 very specifically, lol). I sent Loraen a tell in the teens telling him how I was looking forward to doing the challenge and iirc he gave me a polite "sure kid" response, and then a couple months later we were doing it up in A-Team. Good times.


https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=759161&postcount=299 was my solo artist challenge sheet, specifically. I had links built in because I had a little story and screenshots for each kill on the list, but the links to other posts on the forums seem broken. Looks like at least some of the screenshots in my story posts are still there though if, like I said, you have the time to sift through the thread.

[Bazia]

It's pretty out of date. Some fundamental mechanics have changed since the SAC was created (probably primarily invis pulling, assist mechanics, and summon mechanics), which quite change the difficulty of some of the mobs on the list. Plus the list was pre-velious. But overall it gives you the right general idea of an "easy" solo mob (like froglok king) and works up to the stuff that's nearly or actually impossible in the solo god tier.

The SAC thread (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80165&highlight=solo+artist+challenge), if you have time to work your way through the thing from page 1, can help shed some light on it since it involves a lot of writeups and screenshots and stuff (maybe the SSs are defunct these days though) of how different classes managed different stuff on the list.

Ahh, fond memories. The SAC thread is what prompted me to create my first enchanter (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=716070&postcount=183 very specifically, lol). I sent Loraen a tell in the teens telling him how I was looking forward to doing the challenge and iirc he gave me a polite "sure kid" response, and then a couple months later we were doing it up in A-Team. Good times.


https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=759161&postcount=299 was my solo artist challenge sheet, specifically. I had links built in because I had a little story and screenshots for each kill on the list, but the links to other posts on the forums seem broken. Looks like at least some of the screenshots in my story posts are still there though if, like I said, you have the time to sift through the thread.

the emperor story was broken :mad::mad::mad:

[Tecmos Deception]

the emperor story was broken :mad::mad::mad:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1246961&postcount=743

All the links on my sheet are busted for some reason. I probably have that screenshot laying around somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.

edit - Here it is: https://imgur.com/a/9k2FWWq ... also wow, going through my like 1000 old screenshots. Now I'm all riled up for green. Looks like the oldest ones I have is early kunark though, me selling sacrifices to fund the rogue that eventually frustrated me so much with LFG that I made Tecmos. Lol.

[Swish]

It's pretty out of date. Some fundamental mechanics have changed since the SAC was created (probably primarily invis pulling, assist mechanics, and summon mechanics), which quite change the difficulty of some of the mobs on the list. Plus the list was pre-velious...

It started getting stupid when Daldeaean was using puppet strings and about 5-6 other clickies to say "I dun it!"

Similarly, that Phinny got killed solo by a druid who used pathing exploits to clear some of the mobs around it.

Add in that some players go in with a full suit of buffs from others, and things like that... I like the SAC concept but there's too many little shortcuts/clickies/minor cheats in there.

I say put up a new one for green server, require video evidence (not hard to run OBS or Fraps) and see what's possible during Vanilla. What would be the top realistic targets there for a level 50 looking to do things solo?

[Tecmos Deception]

Eh. I get those complaints. But it's not like ploktor (I don't remember daldaen doing the challenge; he's not on the front page Hall of Fame anyway) with puppet strings breaking into fear wasn't still a hell of a feat, or Svenn dragging a useable pet all the way down to trak's lair to use against prot, even if it involves strings. I really don't remember soulfire spam or other things being very prevalent in general, except for patently silly stuff like clerics soloing stuff. And contributors did qualify their kills that required old invis pulls or strong clickies. Everyone who worked seriously on the SAC did it because it was fun for then and was up front about their kills.

Pathing exploits are lame for sure. I didn't remember Petros using those. I think it was Petros who solod Estrella, anyway.

I don't recall many/any people killing stuff with outside buffs and claiming it was solo. And again, if they did, they had to qualify their kill as assisted.


If I roll a chanter on green, I'll put in an effort to revive the challenge with new mechanics considered a d whatnot.

[Endonde]

Pretty much agree with what Tecmos said.

I think the clickies like Soulfire, Puppet strings are fine, because without those items some classes simply wouldn't be able to compete in the challenge at all. So unless you make a list of mobs for each class it essentially just becomes a list for Enchanters, Shamans, and extremely geared monks. Plus some of the encounters i'm not sure are even possible without clickies.

[loramin]

Ultimately I think the challenge has to be a personal thing. Sure if you want to make forum post because you're the first _______ to kill __________, that's fun, and people might want to see your fraps. And maybe if the first person did it with Puppet Strings, and you didn't, that might be worth sharing too.

But does anyone honestly care if person #16 has fraps of himself killing Lodizal, or what buffs they had on, or how many potions they used to do so?

https://i.imgur.com/L77l5Of.gif

So really I think the details mostly aren't important, because the whole thing is a personal challenge. But ... people do want to communicate what they've accomplished, and "I soloed Lodizal" means something very different when you mean "with full raid buffs, puppet strings, a reaper, 18x wort potions, ..." vs. when you mean "self-buffed only, with no consumables".

So, I don't think anyone should be in the business of saying "your solo accomplishment doesn't count because I'm the judge and I decided so." I just think it'd be handy if we could have a consistent way of saying "I soloed X with Y conditions as a Z". That way if we have any kind of log in the wiki, or if I make "Achievement Templates" for people to add to their Magelo, or whatever, what exactly the person accomplished would be clear.

except for patently silly stuff like clerics soloing stuff

I have to say, I think EVERY class should be able to compete in the challenge. Cleric soloing is impressive, in it's own way: they just have a different scale from (say) Shaman.

And similarly, I think other conditions besides class could be taken to some interesting places. For instance, I'd be interested in seeing a whole new category of the challenge that takes "no consumables" a step further: the naked solo artist challenge!

[brokenpromise]

Eh. I get those complaints. But it's not like ploktor (I don't remember daldaen doing the challenge; he's not on the front page Hall of Fame anyway) with puppet strings breaking into fear wasn't still a hell of a feat, or Svenn dragging a useable pet all the way down to trak's lair to use against prot, even if it involves strings. I really don't remember soulfire spam or other things being very prevalent in general, except for patently silly stuff like clerics soloing stuff. And contributors did qualify their kills that required old invis pulls or strong clickies. Everyone who worked seriously on the SAC did it because it was fun for then and was up front about their kills.

Pathing exploits are lame for sure. I didn't remember Petros using those. I think it was Petros who solod Estrella, anyway.

I don't recall many/any people killing stuff with outside buffs and claiming it was solo. And again, if they did, they had to qualify their kill as assisted.


If I roll a chanter on green, I'll put in an effort to revive the challenge with new mechanics considered a d whatnot.

I am gladly derailing my own thread just to say I'm a big fan of your channel

[AbstractVision]

Really there would need to be different classes, one for clickies, assisted, and true solo.
When you incorporate soulfires/strings/300k in enchanter pet gear ect it changes the playing field completely.

Also need more love for the druids and mages, they can solo some of the stuff on the grand master list.

[Sonark]

The only really important thing is including all relevant information when relaying how something was solo'd, for a given value of solo'd.

If you need things other than your gear and clicking auto attack (and relevant spells and skills) then say what you needed.

Otherwise you give people a false impression of what's actually capable of happening, and under what conditions.

[Tecmos Deception]

I am gladly derailing my own thread just to say I'm a big fan of your channel

Lol. Well that's better than us ending up in r&f I'd say! At least we're still on a related subject :)


@loramin, i think you basically did describe the original SAC. What you are talking about is how all the participants, to my knowledge, approached it. It was just a handful of whiners who ever said anything different. The chanter and shaman dudes in there, mo and loraen and svenn and everyone, we always begged for there to be more necros, druids, and more giving it a whirl. When an oddball class had a cool kill, or a lowbie had a tough fight, we all gave congrats. When someone duod ragefire but needed prenerf donals, everyone understood it was fun but different than if it'd been done without infinite CHs, etc.

[Kinaki]

I like how Fright and Dread are on the "Solo God Mode" list. Dumb lists are dumb.

[Tecmos Deception]

The only really important thing is including all relevant information when relaying how something was solo'd, for a given value of solo'd.

If you need things other than your gear and clicking auto attack (and relevant spells and skills) then say what you needed.

Otherwise you give people a false impression of what's actually capable of happening, and under what conditions.

Yeah. This is what we did. The only people who ever bitched "oh wow, you guys think you're so good because you can exploit soulfire and item recharging to beat a 20 year old game" were retards who never actually read the thread and understood what we were doing.


I like how Fright and Dread are on the "Solo God Mode" list. Dumb lists are dumb.

The challenge is from like 7 years ago. Fear hadn't been revamped yet. People did solo them. Like I was just saying, the people bitching about the SAC were/are the ones who don't have a clue about what was going on.

[Kinaki]

The challenge is from like 7 years ago. Fear hadn't been revamped yet. People did solo them. Like I was just saying, the people bitching about the SAC were/are the ones who don't have a clue about what was going on.

The challenge isn't from "7 years ago" if it includes Velious shit. It's currently an absolute mess of a mix between old and new "challenges". Dumb lists are dumb.

[Swish]

So, I don't think anyone should be in the business of saying "your solo accomplishment doesn't count because I'm the judge and I decided so."

I solo'ed LTK on my rogue...proof isn't required. Anyone who questions it gets pointed to that quote :p

LTK stats according to wiki:-

AC: 1057
HP: 201500
Damage per hit: 440 - 600
Attacks per round: 4
Special: Enrage, Summon, Immune to Flee, Uncharmable,
Unfearable, Unsnareable, Unmezzable, Unstunnable, Unslowable, See Invis, See Hide

For something big a video is awesome not just for verification but for admiration purposes <3

[loramin]

The challenge isn't from "7 years ago" if it includes Velious shit. It's currently an absolute mess of a mix between old and new "challenges". Dumb lists are dumb.

There are links at the top, both to the original forum thread, and to the http://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge_(Kunark_Era) page, which just has the original list.

The page http://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge is explicitly about:

serv[ing] as a starting point for the Velious-era challenge. Please feel free to edit it, so long as you are being respectful of the conversation here

So of course as a work in progress it looks like ... just that.

For something big a video is awesome not just for verification but for admiration purposes <3

Absolutely:

Sure if you want to make forum post because you're the first _______ to kill __________, that's fun, and people might want to see your fraps. And maybe if the first person did it with Puppet Strings, and you didn't, that might be worth sharing too.

I'm just saying a lot of people besides the firsts are going to want to try and be solo artists. I personally don't plan to be "first" to do anything, but I still want to try doing tough fights, even though others did them already. For "non-first solo artists", I don't see any point to a "fraps or it didn't happen" mentality. If some loser wants to claim they soloed something they didn't, who cares?

It shouldn't in any way affect the fun of everyone else actually doing the challenge. If it does, you're taking what amounts to "speed running", in a 20 year old video game, and not even for first place ... way too seriously.

[Bazia]

the thread was essentially a dozen or so ENCs and puppet string abusing shamans jerking each other off, wasn't really entertaining to anyone but the dozen or so people involved

[zodium]

the thread was essentially a dozen or so ENCs and puppet string abusing shamans jerking each other off, wasn't really entertaining to anyone but the dozen or so people involved

the concept of a "solo artist" is completely alien to everquest, a fundamentally easy and entirely social game, to begin with. only someone who completely fails to understand what the game is about could possibly care.

[Tecmos Deception]

the thread was essentially a dozen or so ENCs and puppet string abusing shamans jerking each other off, wasn't really entertaining to anyone but the dozen or so people involved

the concept of a "solo artist" is completely alien to everquest, a fundamentally easy and entirely social game, to begin with. only someone who completely fails to understand what the game is about could possibly care.

:rolleyes:

[zodium]

*sniffling slightly, in oscar award ceremony voice* oh gosh, wow, its just wow hah ... wow!! its such a surprise. id just like to thank my mom and dad, and my puppet strings, soulfire, reaper of the dead and large Potion of Serious Healing stockpile for making these incredible achievements, of which I'm very sincerely proud, possible

[bwe]

Rechargeable clickies are so dumb

[Rang]

To answer op's question directly the most powerful mob that has been successfully solo'd on project 1999 would probably be ragefire / cliff golem / WW dragons. The solo artist challenge doesn't include a lot of planar mobs so I wonder - could some of the hate minis or sky minis be solo'd? Still a lot of room for exploration with the solo artist challengs.

[zodium]

Rechargeable clickies are so dumb

actually they are very good and smart, it's solo artist challenges what are dumb

[Arvan]

How dare someone play the game *other* than the way I play!

[uygi]

-emporer chottal because hes a level 60 mob that casts the best necro dots , is fairly resistant to magic , dispels, gates and Is behind 2 locked doors and is in proximity of 6 adds including one named itself.

He used to be pretty easy, you could IVU to his back wall and fight him there with no adds. Is that not true any more? If you tag him when he spawns he’s about twice as easy to kill, no shielding, no pet, no rune.

[Sonark]

the thread was essentially a dozen or so ENCs and puppet string abusing shamans jerking each other off, wasn't really entertaining to anyone but the dozen or so people involvedYou really don't have to rearrange a lot of words in that sentence to be talking about just about anything.

It's neat and interesting what people can do with what they can get, but the only thing they NEED to be when they do it is honest.

If you just say "I solo'd X lol noob" then you're an asshole.

[ScottBerta]

Ayyalish does not Cheal and plenty of Shamans solo her.

And Cliff Golem is a joke any torp shaman could solo him and in under 15 mins. That mob should not even be considered. I’ve solod him at least 30 times and my shaman is by no means elite.

[Keza]

One would think the first answer to be fairly limited and easily answered by the mega neckbeards of P99, and the second question easily answerable by anyone.

... and yet I'm not surprised at all that the thread has resulted in people hating on soloers and butthurt ench/shm claiming their OP classes take skill.

I'm not sweaty enough to know what the most difficult solo is. All I know is it's far above the level that the devs intended players to solo.

[kjs86z]

I think Kelz's solo fungi king is probably the most impressive. It has it all. Insane consumable / clicky prep, strategy, execution.

https://youtu.be/dwH5myJ6CIk

Show me a better solo kill video than that.

[Tenlaar]

I think Kelz's solo fungi king is probably the most impressive. It has it all. Insane consumable / clicky prep, strategy, execution.

https://youtu.be/dwH5myJ6CIk

Show me a better solo kill video than that.

Is it really "solo" if you do it with shaman and cleric buffs, though?

[DMN]

Seeing all those timers on there make me want to throw up.

So much unclassic shit it's like a different game.

Hopefully that's all going to be/stay blocked on green.

[Kinaki]

Show me a better solo kill video than that.

Most people don't bother to film themselves playing a 20 year old game. Also, imo, the more gratifying accomplishments are those involving teamwork: a duo Ixi, a 3-person Hate breakin, a 2-group VP dragon.

[kjs86z]

Most people don't bother to film themselves playing a 20 year old game. Also, imo, the more gratifying accomplishments are those involving teamwork: a duo Ixi, a 3-person Hate breakin, a 2-group VP dragon.


Cool, glad you shared such relevant input.

[loramin]

Is it really "solo" if you do it with shaman and cleric buffs, though?

I think that's exactly it: to some people it is, and to some it isn't.

And really I don't think most people care about being the "soloing police" ... it's just that when person A says "solo" to mean one thing, and person B says "solo" and means something entirely different, then obviously confusion (and subsequently arguments) will result.

I feel like we just need better terminology, like say 2-4 "levels" of soloing. When someone says "I soloed ___", I feel like we should start expecting them to specify which "level".

For instance, instead of just saying "I soloed ____", if you add a word or two, and we all agree on the meaning, everything can be so much clearer:


I "true soloed" ____

ie. I did it without any other players' help in any way, and without using any consumable items

I "potion soloed" ____

ie. I did it without any other players' help in any way, but used consumable items

I "soloed with assistance" ____

ie. I killed the mob myself, but received assistance from others in the form of pulling, buffs, etc. ... and may or may not have used consumables

[brokenpromise]

I think that's exactly it: to some people it is, and to some it isn't.

And really I don't think most people care about being the "soloing police" ... it's just that when person A says "solo" to mean one thing, and person B says "solo" and means something entirely different, then obviously confusion (and subsequently arguments) will result.

I feel like we just need better terminology, like say 2-4 "levels" of soloing. When someone says "I soloed ___", I feel like we should start expecting them to specify which "level".

For instance, instead of just saying "I soloed ____", if you add a single word, and we all agree on the meaning of that word, everything can be so much clearer:


I "true soloed" ____

ie. I did it without any other players' help in any way, and without using any consumable items

I "potion soloed" ____

ie. I did it without any other players' help in any way, but used consumable items

I "assisted soloed" ____

ie. I killed the mob myself, but received assistance from others in the form of pulling, buffs, etc. ... and may or may not have used consumables



When did we need solo tiers? I feel like if no other person was helping you down the mob, its solo. Obviously you are going to get buffs, consumables and anything else to give you as much of an advantage as possible.

Let's not stop there. Let's add more tiers

I "naked soloed"

I "blindfolded soloed"

I "turned off my monitor and unplugged my mouse soloed"

When did this become a thing? Is this something unique to p99? I dont remember this solo tier nonsense on live.

[Endonde]

I think Kelz's solo fungi king is probably the most impressive. It has it all. Insane consumable / clicky prep, strategy, execution.

https://youtu.be/dwH5myJ6CIk

Show me a better solo kill video than that.

Kelza was a really good monk, but nothing in that video is that amazing.

[Tenlaar]

I feel like if no other person was helping you down the mob, its solo. Obviously you are going to get buffs, consumables and anything else to give you as much of an advantage as possible.

Consumables and buffs from other players are not the same. If that monk farmed up consumables that cast aego and FoS on him then it would be solo, but if other players are giving you buffs then other players are assisting you and it's not solo.

[Wallicker]

We need a classic solo artist challenge! Make it for each class and solo should be self buffs only no clickies.

[brokenpromise]

Consumables and buffs from other players are not the same. If that monk farmed up consumables that cast aego and FoS on him then it would be solo, but if other players are giving you buffs then other players are assisting you and it's not solo.

You guys are kind of ridiculous.

[Tecmos Deception]

I feel like we just need better terminology, like say 2-4 "levels" of soloing. When someone says "I soloed ___", I feel like we should start expecting them to specify which "level".

For instance, instead of just saying "I soloed ____", if you add a word or two, and we all agree on the meaning, everything can be so much clearer:


I "true soloed" ____

ie. I did it without any other players' help in any way, and without using any consumable items

I "potion soloed" ____

ie. I did it without any other players' help in any way, but used consumable items

I "soloed with assistance" ____

ie. I killed the mob myself, but received assistance from others in the form of pulling, buffs, etc. ... and may or may not have used consumables



This is almost exactly what the SAC did, dude. Why are you bringing all this up like it's a new idea?

Look at my SAC sheet. Notice the symbols next to S sometimes? Those mean things. Go read what they mean. Or how some people mark a D instead of an S? Guess what that means. Lol.

The original post spelled out rules for assisted clears, assisted pulls, grandfathered kills from invis pull era, clicky use, all of that.

[loramin]

When did we need solo tiers? I feel like if no other person was helping you down the mob, its solo. Obviously you are going to get buffs, consumables and anything else to give you as much of an advantage as possible.

Let's not stop there. Let's add more tiers

I "naked soloed"

I "blindfolded soloed"

I "turned off my monitor and unplugged my mouse soloed"

When did this become a thing? Is this something unique to p99? I dont remember this solo tier nonsense on live.

We don't need anything. First off, as I tried to stress heavily, being a "solo artist" is largely a personal challenge.

At the same time though, there is a community aspect to it. Solo artists like talking to other solo artists. And, as I also thought was clear, different people disagree about the meaning of the word. If you want proof, look no further than this very thread :)

All that I am saying is, if we as a community "standardized" things, then we'd never have Person A saying "I soloed ___" and actually meaning "I soloed it without potions or other players", and Person B saying literally the exact same thing ("I soloed ___") ... but when they say it they mean "I soloed it with buffs from other players and five puppet strings".

It's not about anyone needing to do anything, it's just about understanding your fellow poster and not getting into fights because a word meant something different to them.

[Tenlaar]

You guys are kind of ridiculous.

What is ridiculous about that? Can you explain how it is killing something SOLO if you use buffs from other players to do it? It is literally getting assistance from other players in order to help kill the mob.

[loramin]

This is almost exactly what the SAC did, dude. Why are you bringing all this up like it's a new idea?

Look at my SAC sheet. Notice the symbols next to S sometimes? Those mean things. Go read what they mean. Or how some people mark a D instead of an S? Guess what that means. Lol.

I'm the person that copied your SAC sheet into the wiki, so yes I absolutely read it, and look I never tried to claim that the idea of qualifying solo attempts was a unique one that I made up. On the contrary, this entire discussion is predicated on the very idea that such distinctions existed. But at the same time, as this thread proves, there's still a ton of confusion when someone says "I soloed ___", and those categories being in your post/on that page hasn't solved that confusion.

Just because you made a few categories on your own however many years ago, EVEN IF they were the perfect categories for you and solo artists then, it doesn't mean those are the best possible ones, or what everyone else should use now. Maybe they are: if you read my posts I NEVER said what I was proposing was the best at all. I was purely trying to get the ball rolling.


I "true soloed" ____

ie. I did it without any other players' help in any way, and without using any consumable items

I "potion soloed" ____

ie. I did it without any other players' help in any way, but used consumable items

I "soloed with assistance" ____

ie. I killed the mob myself, but received assistance from others in the form of pulling, buffs, etc. ... and may or may not have used consumables



[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only

[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

[S*] -> Soloed without pull (or invis pulled)

[S*-] -> Soloed without pull and used strong item clickies

That doesn't seem identical at all to me. Of course there's similarities, but there's some very obvious differences, like say the fact that my list had 3 and your's had 4.

Plus it makes the assumption that A) "strong item clickies" is a universally understood term, and B) that everyone 100% agrees on which ones are strong and which aren't. I don't think that's settled at all.

And again THE WHOLE POINT is that people here think they know what everyone else is thinking! If everyone understood the word "solo" to mean the same thing, this thread wouldn't exist!

[brokenpromise]

We don't need anything. First off, as I tried to stress heavily, being a "solo artist" is largely a personal challenge.

At the same time though, there is a community aspect to it. Solo artists like talking to other solo artists. And, as I also thought was clear, different people disagree about the meaning of the word. If you want proof, look no further than this very thread :)

All that I am saying is, if we as a community "standardized" things, then we'd never have Person A saying "I soloed ___" and actually meaning "I soloed it without potions or other players", and Person B saying literally the exact same thing ("I soloed ___") ... but when they say it they mean "I soloed it with buffs from other players and five puppet strings".

It's not about anyone needing to do anything, it's just about understanding your fellow poster and not getting into fights because a word meant something different to them.

I hear you. I guess I'm way out of the solo artist loop. I assumed without some buffs and consumables some mobs are just not possible. To me it seems obvious. If you are going to go after X mob and it's either a requirement or extremely helpful to have Y, that's what you are going to do. I never wouldve imagined there is a real community that considers a buffed player not soloing.

[Tecmos Deception]

Lor, the categories were perfectly sufficient for anyone who wanted to do the challenge or who enjoyed readingnabout it. You think "strong clicky" is vague but that there's no difference between using a disease cure pot and 10x stinging worts? Your attempt at categories is no better than before.

The only people who complain about anything in the sac are people who weren't doing it, couldn't understand how anyone would have fun with it, mocked people who enjoyed doing it or reading about it, etc. That's all pretty apparent for someone who followed it, or even just this thread.

[Donkey Hotay]

Everyone in this thread who is hating on soloers because no one gives a shit about their rogue.

[loramin]

Lor, the categories were perfectly sufficient for anyone who wanted to do the challenge or who enjoyed readingnabout it. You think "strong clicky" is vague but that there's no difference between using a disease cure pot and 10x stinging worts? Your attempt at categories is no better than before.

The only people who complain about anything in the sac are people who weren't doing it, couldn't understand how anyone would have fun with it, mocked people who enjoyed doing it or reading about it, etc. That's all pretty apparent for someone who followed it, or even just this thread.

Great: your words make sense to you in your brain. But again, I wasn't talking about making things make sense to Tecmos, it was about making it clear to everyone in the forum what a person means when they say "I soloed ___".

Again, I NEVER said "my list is better than Tecmos's!" Seriously, show me the quote if I did, but I don't think I ever did (I have too much respect for you to do that). All I did was propose a simple list (clearly inspired by your's) to start a conversation, and you're acting like I stabbed you in the back or something.

If everyone agrees that Wort potions don't matter to soloing, great! If the community says "it makes sense to mention puppet strings, but not wort potions", GREAT! I will 100% support that and use whatever term we want to use for "I soloed ____ using wort potions but not puppet strings".

But I reject the idea that any player just gets to arbitrarily decide the rules of (as I keep repeating) A LARGELY PERSONAL CHALLENGE. I don't think anyone should tell someone else how to play a game, or even just how to talk about it. Let's let the community decide that last part.

I really don't think it should be about anyone "gatekeeping" or "judging" anyone else. I just would prefer less forum arguments resulting from person A and person B having different definitions of "soloing", and I could care less how we improve communication, as long as it's something everyone can agree on.

I don't think your categories are bad or wrong, and I wasn't in any way trying to ignore them and replace them with mine (although I do think they're not 100% clear). At the very least "strong clickies" needs definition, but more importantly I just don't think "repeat Tecmo's asterisks and plus symbols in forum posts and everyone will just magically know what they mean and think those categories are perfect" is the right solution.

[Baler]

There is a strong difference between soloing a mob with and without clickies.

The use of wort pots alone is a separate category, a clickies category. Maybe can call it the handicap category, heheh.

[Tecmos Deception]

Everyone in this thread who is hating on soloers because no one gives a shit about their rogue.

Hah. That's funny cause my rogue is was drove me to make my enchanter :)

[brokenpromise]

Why would you not invest in clickies and potions the same way you would gear for soloing? That seems like a no brainer to me. Why would you not capitalize on every advantage to solo progressively more powerful and loot rewarding mobs?

If you have consumables to solo farm fungi tunics, why would you not? Because some jerkoff on the wiki is going to say you handicapped soloed?

[Tecmos Deception]

I just don't think "repeat Tecmo's asterisks and plus symbols in forum posts and everyone will just magically know what they mean and think those categories are perfect" is the right solution.

You really are talking about something you don't know squat about, aren't you?

I didn't make the sac. A straw man about symbols and "magically" knowing what they mean when what they mean is defined for anyone with any interest in knowing? Lol. Wtf?

[loramin]

Why would you not invest in clickies and potions the same way you would gear for soloing? That seems like a no brainer to me. Why would you not capitalize on every advantage to solo progressive were ly more powerful and loot rewarding mobs?

If you have consumables to solo farm fungi tunics, why would you not? Because some jerkoff on the wiki is going to say you handicapped soloed?

Again, because this isn't a tournament. There's no referees, no prize money, nothing: the ONLY benefit you get out of being a solo artist is that you can pat yourself on the back and maybe impress your fellow elf sim addicts.

It's not about anyone defining "soloing means with consumables" or "soloing means without consumables". Both can 100% be challenging in their own ways.

It's just about being on the same page and not having one person mean one thing and another mean a different thing, but both use identical language.

[loramin]

You really are talking about something you don't know squat about, aren't you?

I didn't make the sac. A straw man about symbols and "magically" knowing what they mean when what they mean is defined for anyone with any interest in knowing? Lol. Wtf?

You're not even reading what I wrote: it doesn't matter who started it, or who wrote what.

Stop trying to argue with me just because you're butt-hurt over something I never said! Instead, answer this question: do you sincerely think that if everyone here in the forum just said "I soloed ___+" that it would solve all misunderstanding, disagreement, and argument between people who have different ideas of what soloing means?

[Endonde]

You really are talking about something you don't know squat about, aren't you?

If you had to choose one sentence to describe Loramin, this would be it.

[Sonark]

When did we need solo tiers? I feel like if no other person was helping you down the mob, its solo. Obviously you are going to get buffs, consumables and anything else to give you as much of an advantage as possible.

Let's not stop there. Let's add more tiers

I "naked soloed"

I "blindfolded soloed"

I "turned off my monitor and unplugged my mouse soloed"

When did this become a thing? Is this something unique to p99? I dont remember this solo tier nonsense on live.He's being overly pedantic with classification.

[Izmael]

I think this thread lacks contradiction.

My opinion is that soloing mob X is great, but what really matters is "having mob X on farm status solo".

There's a world of difference beween killing, say, Khelkar or seb Emp as a solo enc, and farming him regularly for fun and profit. Simply because you can get the planets properly aligned for that one kill and pull it off against all odds, but it won't happen over and over.
(Still impressed by that solo enc Khelkar kill though...)

Flames in 3...2..1..

[brokenpromise]

I think this thread lacks contradiction.

My opinion is that soloing mob X is great, but what really matters is "having mob X on farm status solo".

There's a world of difference beween killing, say, Khelkar or seb Emp as a solo enc, and farming him regularly for fun and profit. Simply because you can get the planets properly aligned for that one kill and pull it off against all odds, but it won't happen over and over.
(Still impressed by that solo enc Khelkar kill though...)

Flames in 3...2..1..

I have no issue with any of that. It's a lot more reasonable than this ridiculous argument. If you are buffed, you are not soloing

Picture this

Shaman sees a necro soloing. Decides to spirit of wolf and regen him.

Suddenly the necro is no longer "true soloing". Hes in some weird sub tier of solo. If hes using consumables and clickies, some even consider him handicapped soloing.

[zodium]

look i'm not saying I don't like to string up Grizlin and click soulfires on him until the turtle dies or dump eighty billion aggro into Tantor before kiting him around for a month while my scaled and hasted bronto tusks him in the butt. it's alright. but it's not "art", it's a question of rote memorization of one or two counters that negates more than beats the encounter's difficulty to begin with. it's not even a particularly varied toolkit, usually a combination of charm, haste, slow and/or complete heal.

solo artistry is basically the one weird trick mobs hate! of everquest

[loramin]

Suddenly the necro is no longer "true soloing". Hes in some weird sub tier of solo. If hes using consumables and clickies, some even consider him handicapped soloing.

See: having language we can use to better communicate with each other is a good thing :D

[brokenpromise]

See: having language we can use to better communicate with each other is a good thing :D

Lmaooo. You can have that. I ain't even mad at that.

I'm now annoyed with these dildos talking about what they consider solo AND art

[brokenpromise]

I was playing on live since I was young, no bigger than a butt plug and i dont remember anyone talking about soloing like this.

[Lordgordon]

TANTOR

[Tenlaar]

Picture this

Shaman sees a necro soloing. Decides to spirit of wolf and regen him.

Suddenly the necro is no longer "true soloing". Hes in some weird sub tier of solo. If hes using consumables and clickies, some even consider him handicapped soloing.

Nobody is talking about somebody grinding mobs in OT here, this is obviously concerning "trophy kills." We're talking achievement soloing here, not just regular grinding.

[zodium]

ive been practising solo arts for 14 yaers . i'm a 8th dan Solo Artist so you better not mess with me, Bro heim

[brokenpromise]

Nobody is talking about somebody grinding mobs in OT here, this is obviously concerning "trophy kills." We're talking achievement soloing here, not just regular grinding.

I was being facetious

[Bazia]

i didnt mean for anyone to get butthurt with my earlier comment I think it's a neat idea, I was just reiterating the reality of the former thread

it doesnt help either that without abusing out of class buffs and clickies no one can do much other than an ENC

[Ashenden]

I have no issue with any of that. It's a lot more reasonable than this ridiculous argument. If you are buffed, you are not soloing

Picture this

Shaman sees a necro soloing. Decides to spirit of wolf and regen him.

Suddenly the necro is no longer "true soloing". Hes in some weird sub tier of solo. If hes using consumables and clickies, some even consider him handicapped soloing.

I know a Ranger that soloed and self found his way from 1 to 60. Has a Lupine Dagger and stuff. Clicks off every buff anyone puts on him. Probably a psychopath tbf.

[Freakish]

I was being facetious

No me!

[zodium]

also the most powerful soloable mob by pure numbers is Strong Horn, then Tantor, then whatever widdle baby mobs listed on https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

[enjchanter]

The only people who complain about anything in the sac are people who weren't doing it, couldn't understand how anyone would have fun with it, mocked people who enjoyed doing it or reading about it, etc. That's all pretty apparent for someone who followed it, or even just this thread.

Pretty much that ^^

Bottom line is that if you did something that was challenging to you and you are proud of the fact that you did it then that has to be good enough for you. If I've learned anything from doing that challenge is that basically no one thinks anything you do is impressive and will almost always poke holes in how you did it so that its less of an accomplishment.

The first time i solo'd emporer chottal, i used 2 wort clicks so i could survive pyrocuror and not die to the dot. I was so excited but made the mistake of mentioning that i used some wort clicks and suddenly "oh well anyone could do it if you give em a wort pot, pffffftttt"

If you see that challenge and fill out that sheet, youre doing something right and just like Tecmos said, the people who knock anything about that are probably the ones who are mad/bad/sad.

[NextToTheGodsP99]

What is the most powerful soloable mob?

I’m convinced the answer to this is Ixiblat Fer and the character to use is a well geared 60 Shaman with Puppet Strings, Reaper of the Dead, and a SoulFire. Prove me wrong.

[Aaramis]

I know a Ranger that soloed and self found his way from 1 to 60. Has a Lupine Dagger and stuff. Clicks off every buff anyone puts on him. Probably a psychopath tbf.

I'm doing similar on my Ranger. Self-made so far soloing HGs for plat to buy gear. Have Lupine as well as Swarmcaller. Toughest solo so far at 50 has probably been seafuries rofl. Or Rapticor.
It's all relative!

[Kruel]

lodizal, in classic vanilla its the dino in OOT

[Kinaki]

I’m convinced the answer to this is Ixiblat Fer and the character to use is a well geared 60 Shaman with Puppet Strings, Reaper of the Dead, and a SoulFire. Prove me wrong.

At that point, you might as well just play a cleric and give your charmed pet a tash stick and truncheon. Given enough cheese leeway, practically anything pre-velious is possible. Especially with 20 years of wiki knowledge. It just becomes a matter of how much you want to spend on consumables simply for bragging rights?

[Tecmos Deception]

i used 2 wort clicks so i could survive pyrocuror and not die to the dot. I was so excited but made the mistake of mentioning that i used some wort clicks and suddenly "oh well anyone could do it if you give em a wort pot, pffffftttt"

Lol, yeah, exactly this.

Those people even try to discredit by assocation too. "Oh you [did any random thing genuinely solo without help or clickies or anything] huh? Yeah well, but I read about how someone else in the SAC a year before you even made your character, who isn't even the same class or fighting the same mob, used puppet strings and soulfire one time... so clearly you're just a bad circlejerking because you SAC people have expensive unclassic broken OP clickies to carry you to automatic greatness just like I could if I had those clickies but I'm too cool to bother spending the time and effort on it"

[TomisFeline]

what's the most impressive solo that ever happened, not including any aid of any kind from other characters (but including clickies etc.)

[NextToTheGodsP99]

At that point, you might as well just play a cleric and give your charmed pet a tash stick and truncheon. Given enough cheese leeway, practically anything pre-velious is possible. Especially with 20 years of wiki knowledge. It just becomes a matter of how much you want to spend on consumables simply for bragging rights?

The problem with clr and charmed pet approach is that you can’t preslow unless you land a hail mary mallet slow ahead of time and I have a very hard time seeing any allurable pet landing any type of slow proc on Ixi even if you pretash it (which in itself would be a massive pita). And without slow clr will run out of mana before ixi is dead, guaranteed. If I were a betting man I’d put my money on the shm with strings and some CH charges.

Dunno if it’s as simple as bragging rights but that is one aspect I suppose. When I was most into shm solo challenges I really wanted to test the boundaries of the mechanics with every tool at my disposal. Soloing Ixi was my Moby Dick but then you play a bit longer, become a bitter vet and in the end can’t care less about try-hards doing solo challenges.

[zodium]

don't @ me if you can't solo tantor self buffed without clickies

[branamil]

Tantor and strong horn don't summon, they are a joke

[NextToTheGodsP99]

Inb4 long exposition about why druids are solo gods cause they can cast targetted sow, animal charm and run in circles

[zodium]

if the lack of summoning makes the mob so easy, go ahead and kill it on your non druid

oh wait

you can't

[Jimjam]

what's the most impressive solo that ever happened, not including any aid of any kind from other characters (but including clickies etc.)

Probably a level 1 erudite magician with 0 skill in piercing, offence and defence, and no points in str or agi, killing an even con mob first try.

Of course here on p1999 we start with a non classic +5 in our default weapon type.

[branamil]

if the lack of summoning makes the mob so easy, go ahead and kill it on your non druid

oh wait

you can't

I've already killed it on a bard, and it would be extremely easy for any pet class

[zodium]

its almost like solo artistry is a huge joke