Are the original corpse expire times go to be on green?

[heazels]

There used to be a really short time to get your corpse originally before changes were made. Will the short corpse timers be in place or the newer corpse expire times?

[loramin]

Find evidence of when it was changed, then post a bug for it, and it will be a lot more likely :)

EDIT: http://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes has several corpse-related notes, but I'm not sure which one specifically you're thinking of. Also you might want to check and make sure no one already filed a similar bug.

[whitebandit]

It was something like 30minutes / 1 hour or whatever for newbs, and progressively got longer, i dont remember the exact numbers but.. I honestly doubt this is going to be one of the classic things that staff wants to implement. They are incredibly forgiving when it comes to corpse expirations and stuff from what i understand and this would likely just add more work for them. If they added a new CSR rule in which no corpses would be recovered... that would be interesting to say the least.

[heazels]

Find evidence of when it was changed, then post a bug for it, and it will be a lot more likely :)

EDIT: http://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes has several corpse-related notes, but I'm not sure which one specifically you're thinking of. Also you might want to check and make sure no one already filed a similar bug.

I would prefer it not to be in game. I was just curious to say the least.

[Baler]

sounds like a CSR nightmare

[aaezil]

I have always found the fact that gms restore expired corpses on blue disturbing. The difficulty was part of the charm of the game and i remember losing a few corpses that were either unrecoverable or timer poofed and i just had to regear. Getting bailed out by a gm is so lame.

[Deathrydar]

The corpse timer was 30 mins, no matter what, under level 4. After that, it was 24 hours and that time only counted down if you were online. They also, however, started you with new bread and water every time you died prior to level 4. So it was a whole 'nother ball game.

[heazels]

I have always found the fact that gms restore expired corpses on blue disturbing. The difficulty was part of the charm of the game and i remember losing a few corpses that were either unrecoverable or timer poofed and i just had to regear. Getting bailed out by a gm is so lame.

I found it relieving, especially if you rage quit one day and came back a few months later. I respect the Nil. I think He has done the best he could to keep a good community. I even donated for like a year after I quit playing. I think the decisions have been excellent in every way by the staff of P99. I even respect daybreak and their agreements because everything as far as I am concerned has been very balanced.

[whitebandit]

As far as I am concerned, NilRog are the patron saints of my childhood at this point.

[Lufos]

whats the timer on beta?

[Deathrydar]

whats the timer on beta?

Presently: After level 4, it's 7 days, if you are online or not, and there is a resurrection timer of 3 hours that only counts down if you are online with that account.

[Jimjam]

This issue is trivialising nightblindness in everfrost. There are strings of corpses with light sources illuminating key paths and turnings.

[bum3]

This issue is trivialising nightblindness in everfrost. There are strings of corpses with light sources illuminating key paths and turnings.

I love you

[cd288]

Find evidence of when it was changed, then post a bug for it, and it will be a lot more likely :)

EDIT: http://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes has several corpse-related notes, but I'm not sure which one specifically you're thinking of. Also you might want to check and make sure no one already filed a similar bug.

I don't have any patch note, but I think it was much shorter back in the Kunark era at some point because I remember buying a bunch of CB belts with hard earned cash to level an alt, transferring them to the alt, dying on the way to Kaladim, and my parents made me get in the car to go to some BBQ and by the time I got home hours later my corpse had rotted lol.

[whitebandit]

I don't have any patch note, but I think it was much shorter back in the Kunark era at some point because I remember buying a bunch of CB belts with hard earned cash to level an alt, transferring them to the alt, dying on the way to Kaladim, and my parents made me get in the car to go to some BBQ and by the time I got home hours later my corpse had rotted lol.

something really similar happened to me also.

I remember being in junior high, and was going to be the student council treasurer, and it was like the first day to go and i had JUST died on my ~10 necro darkelf and could not find his corpse for the hours i had looked, and ended up blowing off the student council shit to look for my corpse.. (amazingly this was before i realized necros had locate corpse spell)

I never found it. RIP Zayne or whatever the fuck your name was, you shall never be forgotten as long as I live.

[skorge]

The corpse timer was 30 mins, no matter what, under level 4. After that, it was 24 hours and that time only counted down if you were online. They also, however, started you with new bread and water every time you died prior to level 4. So it was a whole 'nother ball game.

My buddy (level 15 ish) went on a 2 week vacation around June of 1999 and when he came back his corpse was gone...so it can't be that it's based off online time only. He ended up quitting EQ all together then, lol.

[Coridan]

It'd be nice if corpse timers were reduced all around, stuff like leaving PoS keys on corpses just seems so outside the Vision™

[whitebandit]

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/otherworlds31279/player-corpse-decay-times-t800.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20020319105357/http://eq.castersrealm.com/viewarticle.asp?Article=3765

https://web.archive.org/web/20020222073729/http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/everquest/Forum1/HTML/000305.html

[cd288]

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/otherworlds31279/player-corpse-decay-times-t800.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20020319105357/http://eq.castersrealm.com/viewarticle.asp?Article=3765

https://web.archive.org/web/20020222073729/http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/everquest/Forum1/HTML/000305.html

Where in those posts does it say what the timing was on day 1 of EQ?

[whitebandit]

Where in those posts does it say what the timing was on day 1 of EQ?

My point in posting this was for further research. I have really no confirmation one way or another but these people are discussing, and based on dev posts and patch history, that ""Naked PC corpses that have experience and are above level 30 will now last 3 hours instead of 3 minutes.""

This would seem to indicate that at some point naked PC corpses that could be rezed for EXP even above level 30 would only last 3 minutes, up until this "patch" that changed it sometime in 2001. IM sorry, im no researcher and am still looking for more sources and information from before that but, it aint easy :-p

[Gustoo]

I had my corpse recovered from the hole by a guide when levitate turned off and I jumped in.

This was on live.

I think corpse banking is too easy and it will probably get nerfed. CSR helping people is pretty classic.

[whitebandit]

CSR helping people is pretty classic.

[Indecisive]

Wow so the gms help people cheat in this game, I was looking forward to green that killed it for me.

If the fact that a GM helped someone get their corpse "killed" green for you, I for one am glad you won't be joining the server.

[soronil]

Yeah since anyone losing their corpse will petition, I don't see the point in making this change that is simply going to cause more work for our volunteer staff.

[Indecisive]

CHeating is not helping some one, if your corpse disappeared its gone, them giving it back to you is a gm going against the game rules to help you. What else do they do hand you random items cause you didnt get one in the drop? Disgusting you think its alright for a gm to cheat and give you stuff that you shouldnt have. Why do they even have corpse timers then, if they just give you the corpse back. That is the most idiotic thing i have ever heard. The point of it was a punishment for being a moron and not being aware of your surrounding, and dying with out a plan to get back. Just going here have it back, is cheating. Why are you using help, it is using thier power that no one elses has over writing the game code and bringing it back. That is 100000000 called using your power as a game master to help people cheat.

You sound upset.

I've never lost a corpse in the entirety of my time playing this game, Live or P99. But if something did happen and I wasn't able to retrive it, be it RL circumstances, or a rage quit in my feelings, I'd be more than happy to accept the compassion and generosity of a GM corpse summon. Everyone works hard for their gear, everyone has put time into their characters, and (IMO) it was a dumb feature put into the game to begin with.

GM intervention on corpse retrieval is Classic. Sorry you think that's "cheating". I look forward to not seeing you on Green.

[whitebandit]

my argument for a lower corpse expiration time would be to remove corpsing lore items, sky/other keys, and also to remove raid shenanigans with rezzing people at spawn points or whatever. Now, im not "classic" or bust person, but i think this would actually be a really healthy implementation in the end, at least for the above mentioned cases, it may lead to more total CSR corpse restores though which we obviously want to avoid. if in the end, this was a real thing of course. I seem to remember it, i dont think i am alone in that.

[El-Hefe]

Wow so the gms help people cheat in this game, I was looking forward to green that killed it for me.

Thank god.

You wouldn’t be missed.

[Deathrydar]

My buddy (level 15 ish) went on a 2 week vacation around June of 1999 and when he came back his corpse was gone...so it can't be that it's based off online time only. He ended up quitting EQ all together then, lol.

Not sure you read my post correctly, friend. I said currently it is 7 days online or off, and before that, it was 24 hours online or off.. So your buddy's corpse would have been gone no matter what era he was playing. Thanks!

[Moforyguy]

I know for a fact Gm's back in the day would help retrieve your corpse because I lost mine and couldn't drag it. GM got my corpse back after I had tried for days. I was close to giving up and GM was my last resort. THANKS GM!!!

[Deathrydar]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the GMs here helping people retrieve their corpses. It should be a limited thing though and there shouldn't be repeat offenders. But I am not sure why anyone else would feel some sort of way for a GM helping someone out. Sometimes we rage quit man, I've been there.

[Jimjam]

You sound upset.

I've never lost a corpse in the entirety of my time playing this game, Live or P99. But if something did happen and I wasn't able to retrive it, be it RL circumstances, or a rage quit in my feelings, I'd be more than happy to accept the compassion and generosity of a GM corpse summon. Everyone works hard for their gear, everyone has put time into their characters, and (IMO) it was a dumb feature put into the game to begin with.

GM intervention on corpse retrieval is Classic. Sorry you think that's "cheating". I look forward to not seeing you on Green.

I think corpse rots were fine for EQ as it was released, where you were wearing at most bronze armour and wielding minotaur axes most of the game, armour that could be cheaply replaced with some perfectly adequate vendor bought leather/axes immediately, then replaced with similar items to what you lost within a day of play.

However, as the game expanded, and a much higher level of equipment was required to progress through content, as well as that equipment being far less easily replaced, that pretty much necessitated a corpse restore function.

[Indecisive]

I think corpse rots were fine for EQ as it was released, where you were wearing at most bronze armour and wielding minotaur axes most of the game, armour that could be cheaply replaced with some perfectly adequate vendor bought leather/axes immediately, then replaced with similar items to what you lost within a day of play.

However, as the game expanded, and a much higher level of equipment was required to progress through content, as well as that equipment being far less easily replaced, that pretty much necessitated a corpse restore function.

That's fair, I agree with that.

[magusfire24]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the GMs here helping people retrieve their corpses. It should be a limited thing though and there shouldn't be repeat offenders. But I am not sure why anyone else would feel some sort of way for a GM helping someone out. Sometimes we rage quit man, I've been there.

and sometimes the boat bugs out and your corpse ends up at the bottom of the ocean. Stuff happens.

[kylok]

It is cheating, it is equal to saying that you didnt get a roll so you want the gm to spawn in items for you. Now if it was a bug such as the boat its not, but 100 percent if you quit and didnt get your corpse, then came back and whined to the gm that you want your corpse back and he does its cheating.

Am i angry no, there are plenty of other games I was just looking forward to that till i read that. If they cheat and let you get your corpse back, I am postive they do all sorts of other shady crap for people.

You joined us in 2015, but in the 4 year since you have not realized that GMs restoring corpses that have rotted is common place? I'm surprised

[Deathrydar]

You guys remind me of the food stamp people,

Best ignorant statement ever!

[Indecisive]

It is cheating, it is equal to saying that you didnt get a roll so you want the gm to spawn in items for you.

.....

If they cheat and let you get your corpse back, I am postive they do all sorts of other shady crap for people.

How is that in any way the same thing? Restoring a corpse is restoring gear you already earned. They're not asking for anything extra, only what they already had. And it's quite a leap of logic to conflate restoring a corpse with "other shady crap".

You guys remind me of the food stamp people, and think it is the resposibility of others to give you free stuff because you are lazy.

My mother is on government assistance because she's disabled. Two rounds with cancer and being legally blind are obviously just a ploy for free stuff, right?

My goodness are you a toxic presence.

[Jimjam]

and sometimes the boat bugs out and your corpse ends up at the bottom of the ocean. Stuff happens.

I think randomly falling off boats and ships disappearing in the ocean without warning was one of the more realistic aspects of everquest.

[whitebandit]

haha your magic god in the sky has nothing to do with this. As for missing me, who cares, its not like you would of missed me either way, and holy crap is that how you gague things if people are gonna miss you or not haha, or if they think your idea is good enough for them? You are one strange person, though last time i played this I met some guy who thought ghosts were real, told me a hour story about it, then gave me a bunch of stuff, that I lost cause of some reason I cant remember. Something about transfering it between 2 characters in the woods, and the sword disappeared, or maybe it was cause i died and didnt get to my corpse fast enough I dont remember.

You guys remind me of the food stamp people, and think it is the resposibility of others to give you free stuff because you are lazy. Either way no I didnt ask the gm to give me my stuff back because I was dump and lost it, nor would i expect them to give it back to me even if I did. The only way a corpse should be given back is if the game messed up due to a glitch, and the burden of proof should be on you to prove it, anything else is cheating. Guess you guys get mad for being called cheaters, most do that cheat.

A+ RNF material right here. Getem boys!

[magusfire24]

I think randomly falling off boats and ships disappearing in the ocean without warning was one of the more realistic aspects of everquest.

Pirates? :)

[lordpazuzu]

haha your magic god in the sky has nothing to do with this. As for missing me, who cares, its not like you would of missed me either way, and holy crap is that how you gague things if people are gonna miss you or not haha, or if they think your idea is good enough for them? You are one strange person, though last time i played this I met some guy who thought ghosts were real, told me a hour story about it, then gave me a bunch of stuff, that I lost cause of some reason I cant remember. Something about transfering it between 2 characters in the woods, and the sword disappeared, or maybe it was cause i died and didnt get to my corpse fast enough I dont remember.

You guys remind me of the food stamp people, and think it is the resposibility of others to give you free stuff because you are lazy. Either way no I didnt ask the gm to give me my stuff back because I was dump and lost it, nor would i expect them to give it back to me even if I did. The only way a corpse should be given back is if the game messed up due to a glitch, and the burden of proof should be on you to prove it, anything else is cheating. Guess you guys get mad for being called cheaters, most do that cheat.

Dude, your neckbeard is showing. Time for a trim.

[douglas1999]

/consent also used to let you fully loot the corpse in question at launch

[Jimjam]

Pirates? :)

Pirates, storms, getting lost, running out of food, sea monsters. These are all documented and supposed deaths of ships irl.

[Israel Adesanya]

all i know is my corpse rotted in plane of hate (bard full planar) in classic, when I got grounded in 1999

[Israel Adesanya]

/consent also used to let you fully loot the corpse in question at launch

do you have any evidence of when it changed?

[douglas1999]

do you have any evidence of when it changed?

Wish I did.. I know it didn't stay that way very long because people kept tricking naive players into letting them loot all their stuff.

[Deathrydar]

It doesn't matter if someone finds evidence of this or not. It has already been discussed and it would cause way too many issues as it is an exploitable feature and will not, and should not, ever be implemented!

[Nirgon]

GMs here shouldn't restore corpses on Green either

[Deathrydar]

GMs here shouldn't restore corpses on Green either

All I have to say about that is, this is their sandbox that they keep up for us, for free. So they can do what they want as far as I am concerned.