What will be your primary class on Green, considering the Classic changes?

[Bravak]

Now that most of the Classic changes have been announced and tested on the beta server (e.g. darkness, class abilities, UI overhaul, etc.), which class will you play as your primary character on Green?

This new poll is being created about one week prior to the release of Green to provide an updated sample of the server's potential population. It may be interesting to see how the new results compare to the previous poll (Link (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333682)) now that people have had more time to consider the Classic changes being implemented.

As of 10/17/2019, out of 663 votes, the original poll's results were:

Bard 53 (7.99%)

Cleric 57 (8.60%)

Druid 82 (12.37%)

Enchanter 87 (13.12%)

Magician 43 (6.49%)

Monk 28 (4.22%)

Necromancer 43 (6.49%)

Paladin 35 (5.28%)

Ranger 39 (5.88%)

Rogue 28 (4.22%)

Shadow Knight 29 (4.37%)

Shaman 67 (10.11%)

Warrior 33 (4.98%)

Wizard 39 (5.88%)

[Aaramis]

Waiting still to see final notes before I 100% commit, but did have fun playing Rogue on test.

Will also say that it seemed to be 30+% of the server play-tested Magician, so the poll isn't accurate in that regard!

[Bravak]

Yeah, that is true. The poll's accuracy is likely to be askew for the general population since most players don't use the forums. Still, I think it will be interesting to see how the forum-users vote.

[soronil]

Will also say that it seemed to be 30+% of the server play-tested Magician, so the poll isn't accurate in that regard!

I don't think that beta class distribution is really that relevant. Population is very low. grouping not super easy. Mage is the most OP class. Mage can solo. If you want to test:
1. High level content
2. tradeskills (require plat)
and lots of other things, mage is just the quickest way to test.

In other words, not everyone is trying to do a "test run" of their main character, many people are testing quests/items/mobs, using the most efficient class available.

[Deathrydar]

I have a feeling that Green will now be all Necromancers, Magicians, Enchanters, Druids and Shamans.

I no longer have that warm feeling I had last month. There has been too much time to think and min max and now no one is going to want to play any of the classes that need groups to survive..

And being that EverQuest was all about grouping, so goes the feeling and experience.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

Me luV TRL SK siMulatoR 1999 wiTh freNdS

[Sinistria]

I go DE SK, testing him but just got the pet and had no time to relog since then and go into further testing.

Still in Love with Dwarf Pally not sure bout that.

I like to have a pet and those necro spells.
Also SK because there were only a very few (always like DE SK).

DE Wizzi is still 2nd choice.

[Nagoya]

Public polls are dumb tho :(

But probably Wizard. Or Rogue. Or Paladin?
Still not sure. I will vote the day of the Canadian elections.

[Tenlaar]

We shouldn't be using the green beta population as an indicator of anything because it allows boxing and mages are one of the easiest classes to box along with the character that you actually want to play.

[Glarkus31]

First Paladin!

[stars2heaven]

I'm going to be playing a shaman because I want to group, not because I want to be able to avoid it. Even if everyone wants to play Necromancers, Magicians, Enchanters, Druids and Shamans I'm sure plenty of them will still be more than happy to group up.

[skorge]

We shouldn't be using the green beta population as an indicator of anything because it allows boxing and mages are one of the easiest classes to box along with the character that you actually want to play.

Only many people aren't boxing from what I've seen. Most are not even pre-made groups. The highest levels I've seen were PUGs and mages were highest level in all. I've spoke to some of them directly. The highest level a couple days ago, Harms, a mage, told me his group was a PUG he leveled with.

[Tenlaar]

Only many people aren't boxing from what I've seen. Most are not even pre-made groups. The highest levels I've seen were PUGs and mages were highest level in all. I've spoke to some of them directly. The highest level a couple days ago, Harms, a mage, told me his group was a PUG he leveled with.

I'm not really interested in engaging your seemingly strange fixation on getting mages nerfed before launch and letting it take over another thread. Please don't.

[Baba]

People are freaking about solo classes being everywhere. I do think we will see a lot to start out and as things are overcrowded, in the next 2 months things will even out. I know I’ll be playing a monk and either a necro/mage. Everyone knows how important it is to have a solo money making class... especially when there are mana stones and other rubicite around.

[flacidpenguin]

I was going to play a shaman, but the total darkness making Barbarians blind turned me off to that, so now I am going necromancer main with druid, so and cleric alts eventually.

[flacidpenguin]

I'm going to be playing a shaman because I want to group, not because I want to be able to avoid it. Even if everyone wants to play Necromancers, Magicians, Enchanters, Druids and Shamans I'm sure plenty of them will still be more than happy to group up.

I was going to main a shaman but will main a necro now, however I prefer to group. Necros are amazing in groups early on.

[Cezar]

As I have already said in the other post I do not believe that the sample examined with this survey is representative of the mass, for various reasons, but I am curious to see how it will change.

[Deathrydar]

As I have already said in the other post I do not believe that the sample examined with this survey is representative of the mass, for various reasons, but I am curious to see how it will change.

Well, being that 663 people voted in the previous poll, and we will probably have around 1200-1500k players on green, it's about 50%, which isn't too bad. But yeah, you are right. I would love to get in the minds of those players that actually just log on and play the game and don't get involved on the forums.

[Lonedrahon25]

Well, being that 663 people voted in the previous poll, and we will probably have around 1200-1500k players on green, it's about 50%, which isn't too bad. But yeah, you are right. I would love to get in the minds of those players that actually just log on and play the game and don't get involved on the forums.

That last statement is probably far more real than we think. I have family that plays and has never logged into the forums.

[Tecmos Deception]

Hmm. I can't vote because I'll probably decide at the last minute what to actually play. Cleric or enchanter? Hell if I know. I've done both to 60 repeatedly on p99 over the years, love them both, but do have concerns that an enchanter (at least to start out) will not get to play the way I enjoy them because of overcrowding.

[Glasken]

I would love to see more necromancers grouping up and using their toolkits to the fullest. Once upon a time I mained a necro on live. You can keep a group going when the healer discons, you can pull when the monk/sk gets upset they lost a FBSS roll, pet does solid DPS, throw some root and mes CC around, and when the shit hits the fan (because you are now the puller, the dps, and the healer, hell the entire group), FD and help with the corpse recovery.

Since that time I have mained a shaman, an enchanter, a mage, and a cleric. None were as fun as the necro, especially in a group. The enchanter I mained on P99, and it came close to the fun I had as a necro, but was missing a critical feature that I consider essential now that there are other commitments in my life: feign death.

Being able to pet dps, solo break a room, farm, spot heal, mez...basically play with all the toys, is nothing compared to the IDGAF button that is feign death.

Kid crying? FD. Dog throws up and starts eating the diaper the kid took off? FD. Door knock? FD. Boss asking where your new scripts are? FD. Long bathroom break? FD.

Just FD and f`k off. Best feature of the monk and SK classes too, but neither have quite the kit a necro does.


This time around, try something different. Try the necromancer. You might like it.

I know I did.

[bum3]

Grouping... wife ench/me cleric
Non-grouping... wife druid/me mage
Solo... necro cause i miss my classic sexiness
Playing with friend... wife shm/him shm/me warrior... cause i'm gonna let them take turns tanking while I cripple dps.

[Chryorn]

I still intend to be a Cleric. Necro was my first real char on live though, got to 50 before Kunark. If Green turns out to be overrun by mages I will just shelve the Cleric and go Necro again until the dust settles.

[Aaramis]

I still intend to be a Cleric. Necro was my first real char on live though, got to 50 before Kunark. If Green turns out to be overrun by mages I will just shelve the Cleric and go Necro again until the dust settles.

If Green is overrun with Mages, that's the perfect time to play Cleric.

Buff pet. Mage DSs pet.
Heal pet. Mage nukes.
Profit.

[Cezar]

since I see that the latest news have brought someone to the class and race change I would like to do a little reflection with you.
I think the biggest failure of the green server is that of not having worked on the community but only and exclusively on the software, I explain.

devs are working hard to bring back eq as it was at launch, commendable work, real night lights, the impossibility of seeing while meditating, etc. they forgot that this was not the game it was the stake in the ass you could only stand for the chance to play something revolutionary, a unique social experiment and (let's face it) won by that community.

personal opinion has neglected to take care of the community, I do not say to mix the tables of the loots, to give the spirit of the unknown! but at least remove the Timed object, or at least say so. or at least not to say that eventually the servers will come together. we would have saved ourselves a lot from the toxic community.

or to put these objects back in all 2 servers, the game was designed to have them, maybe all druids need a manastoñe, the quarrels between the players that essentially canceled them were played.

[Bannen]

Feel like I missed a post, does someone have a link to the class ability changes mentioned in the opening post?

[Seungkyu]

Feel like I missed a post, does someone have a link to the class ability changes mentioned in the opening post?

The nights are darker now, meaning Humans, Erudites, and Barbarians will be blind as a bat.

Mage pets will be nerfed, can won't be able to cast spells. There will be a maximum of 4 mage pets on a given target.

That's all I really know of ATM.

[Bannen]

The nights are darker now, meaning Humans, Erudites, and Barbarians will be blind as a bat.

Mage pets will be nerfed, can won't be able to cast spells. There will be a maximum of 4 mage pets on a given target.

That's all I really know of ATM.

Ahh. I've seen the posts about the mage and pet nerfs but hadn't seen a GM confirm they were changing them.

[Deathrydar]

Ahh. I've seen the posts about the mage and pet nerfs but hadn't seen a GM confirm they were changing them.

Neither have I.

[Bannen]

I played a mage at launch in original EQ. Frankly, the pets sucked at the beginning and I always wished I was a necro.

[Leifer7inches]

I love to play classic EQ because of the difficulty and how people grouped back then. Now let me see... what is the easiest, most powerful class I should choose that I can solo with?

[magusfire24]

Will always be a ranger in most itterations of EQ. After 10+ years , I cant live without tracking. Now I will make other alts to solo some stuff but always love my ranger.

[Icannotpost]

Ranger :D

[Invalid_Bard]

Necromancer all the fucking way!! I can't wait for green and the neckbeards to come back and drive it in to the ground!!

[TROUNCE]

Going human bard and grouping all the way. Sight is for the weak. AoE is for the weak.

All hail Rallos Zek! Victory or death!

[Forsh]

I will play a Ranger because that's what I enjoy. RANGER DOWN

[Evia]

gonna static group a paladin

and going to solo main either a bard, ranger or monk. gotta be melee with dual wield for epic fashion questing...(plus it's my favorite way to play EQ)

love me some of that hybrid penalty and naked melee action I guess :P

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I love to play classic EQ because of the difficulty and how people grouped back then. Now let me see... what is the easiest, most powerful class I should choose that I can solo with?

As most people are saying. Necro

Pet
DOTS (e.g less aggro and crazy mana efficient)
Mana Regen
Feign Death
Can gate/bind
Can invis and invis undead

What more could you want

[Fammaden]

He was being sarcastic.

[flacidpenguin]

I was originally going to play a barbarian shaman because I like shaman and barbarians. However everfrost was already confusing enough to me when it was not pitch black, and no one really seemed to want to group. So I am going Dark elf necro so I can be both useful in a group, when I can find one, and able to solo. I really want to be an SK because that was my original class in 1999, well, my original main, but with people seemingly only interest in grouping with their totally not a box mute druid buddy or w/e or not grouping at all, playing an SK seems like a terriable idea.

Maybe live will be very different from BETA and it wont be a bunch of boxxers/botters, and if that's the case I will probably reroll as an sk, but necro to start so I can solo when I cant find a group.

Not playing a necro to try and go camp manastone or guide or w/e. Simply playing one because it's a class I can solo with easily.

[Gholos]

Ogre Warrior

[kabouter]

Still going with an enchanter, even though it will take quite some time before they get their clarity line of spells.

I'm sure they will still be in high demand for groups.

[Deathrydar]

I love to play classic EQ because of the difficulty and how people grouped back then. Now let me see... what is the easiest, most powerful class I should choose that I can solo with?

It is stunning how different the poll from a couple of weeks ago is compared to this one. But this is the logic I have seen the majority of this population use.

Last poll, Enchanters and Druids dominated the top choice with Shaman, Bard and Cleric close behind. I thought to myself, this is going to be an interesting launch.

Now, it's going to be mostly necromancers....

[Aaramis]

Magicians now the lowest on the poll.

Odd.

Waiting to see final notes and the state of pets before I commit.
Will probably play Mage or Necro as well as Rogue. Just not sure which will be main vs alt.

[Cen]

This poll more closely resembles what I saw on server. The unclassic even further difficult blindness is kind of hilarious though.. Mostly on my Dark Elf character even. Dark elf being unable to see even with UV in Neriak is surely not something I ever experienced with all the dark elves ive had in the old days. People are gonna hunger for vision spells just to bring them up to normal levels of blindness lol

[Deathrydar]

This poll more closely resembles what I saw on server. The unclassic even further difficult blindness is kind of hilarious though.. Mostly on my Dark Elf character even. Dark elf being unable to see even with UV in Neriak is surely not something I ever experienced with all the dark elves ive had in the old days. People are gonna hunger for vision spells just to bring them up to normal levels of blindness lol

If you installed the new ultravision fix, it makes everything better for Dark Elves. I tested it last night.

[magusfire24]

This poll more closely resembles what I saw on server. The unclassic even further difficult blindness is kind of hilarious though.. Mostly on my Dark Elf character even. Dark elf being unable to see even with UV in Neriak is surely not something I ever experienced with all the dark elves ive had in the old days. People are gonna hunger for vision spells just to bring them up to normal levels of blindness lol

On page 11 of the darkness bug fix post there are shader files that fix that issue with infra and ultravision mostly

[Cen]

Me luV TRL SK siMulatoR 1999 wiTh freNdS

I hope i get to group with you lol

[flacidpenguin]

Still going with an enchanter, even though it will take quite some time before they get their clarity line of spells.

I'm sure they will still be in high demand for groups.

Mez is, I think, the main reason that every group needs an enchanter. You can turn a wipe into a normal pull. Lull is great too, as are color stuns. Haste and slow of course. Enchanters make the entire group better.

[Tecmos Deception]

Mez is, I think, the main reason that every group needs an enchanter. You can turn a wipe into a normal pull. Lull is great too, as are color stuns. Haste and slow of course. Enchanters make the entire group better.

Color flux may be a bit more situational than you're used to with the 4 mob aoe cap and a bunch of pet classes in groups.

[Vexenu]

Why are Mages so low? Did skorge succeed in his anti-mage crusade to get them nerfed before launch? Or is everyone feeling burned out on Mages from beta? (Seems unlikely, if anything should just be a reminder how good the class is on a fresh server).

[Deathrydar]

Why are Mages so low? Did skorge succeed in his anti-mage crusade to get them nerfed before launch? Or is everyone feeling burned out on Mages from beta? (Seems unlikely, if anything should just be a reminder how good the class is on a fresh server).

Not sure if he succeeded in that or if people are just scared to start one now because it is unknown.

[Deathrydar]

Any chance we are going to get an official word as to how Magician pets will be at launch? Fear has made Magician's the lowest chosen class. No one even knows if they will be gimped or not at launch.

[Tecmos Deception]

If green ends up with under 7% clerics, may the gods have mercy.

[soronil]

According to this 100% accurate poll that people could not possibly lie on, Mages will be the least popular class.

Can we stop making all these pointless polls that don't actually reflect what green will be like?

[ldgo86]

According to this 100% accurate poll that people could not possibly lie on, Mages will be the least popular class.

Can we stop making all these pointless polls that don't actually reflect what green will be like?

People are excited, and rightfully so. Don’t click on the threads if you don’t care about them. :)

[Deathrydar]

People are excited, and rightfully so. Don’t click on the threads if you don’t care about them. :)

[Fammaden]

Why are Mages so low? Did skorge succeed in his anti-mage crusade to get them nerfed before launch? Or is everyone feeling burned out on Mages from beta? (Seems unlikely, if anything should just be a reminder how good the class is on a fresh server).

The people planning to run 5 mage power groups aren't interested in voting in this fun little poll.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Said necromancer before saying it now. Was cleric for years. I want to hurt stuff. Also be able to do it off peak.

[Xanzinder]

The poll is asking what your “Primary” class will be. This does not take into account people launching with mages to twink their “primary” class later. There will be a large percentage of mages at launch! I’d guess as high as 20%!!!

[Whoop]

I would love to see more necromancers grouping up and using their toolkits to the fullest. Once upon a time I mained a necro on live. You can keep a group going when the healer discons, you can pull when the monk/sk gets upset they lost a FBSS roll, pet does solid DPS, throw some root and mes CC around, and when the shit hits the fan (because you are now the puller, the dps, and the healer, hell the entire group), FD and help with the corpse recovery.

Since that time I have mained a shaman, an enchanter, a mage, and a cleric. None were as fun as the necro, especially in a group. The enchanter I mained on P99, and it came close to the fun I had as a necro, but was missing a critical feature that I consider essential now that there are other commitments in my life: feign death.

Being able to pet dps, solo break a room, farm, spot heal, mez...basically play with all the toys, is nothing compared to the IDGAF button that is feign death.

Kid crying? FD. Dog throws up and starts eating the diaper the kid took off? FD. Door knock? FD. Boss asking where your new scripts are? FD. Long bathroom break? FD.

Just FD and f`k off. Best feature of the monk and SK classes too, but neither have quite the kit a necro does.


This time around, try something different. Try the necromancer. You might like it.

I know I did.

Spot on! Sucks I mained a necro on blue. Cant decide if I want another one on green for above reasons or play something new(mage or skam)

[Waldo73]

Mage to be least played, lol

[Tethler]

Going ranger because I have never played one and it was going to be my next blue alt anyway. Non-tank melee hybrid sounds super appealing too!

If I can get a guise and rubicite in a timely manner, I'll prob make a shaman too and try to snag a guise for him too before they get removed.

[Chryorn]

Mage to be least played, lol
But the number of Necromancers doubled. A lot of people might have realized that having a pet from level 1 is a nice boost and that the solo farming abilities are higher. - And maybe died enough without Cleric epics around to want to have FD. :D

More interesting is that the percentages of Melee classes increased noticeably.

[flacidpenguin]

Going ranger because I have never played one and it was going to be my next blue alt anyway. Non-tank melee hybrid sounds super appealing too!

If I can get a guise and rubicite in a timely manner, I'll prob make a shaman too and try to snag a guise for him too before they get removed.

Rangers tank just fine for most content for most of the game.

[flacidpenguin]

But the number of Necromancers doubled. A lot of people might have realized that having a pet from level 1 is a nice boost and that the solo farming abilities are higher. - And maybe died enough without Cleric epics around to want to have FD. :D

More interesting is that the percentages of Melee classes increased noticeably.

This poll has a much smaller sample size than the last poll, as well, and we saw how much that poll shifted. This is also a poll that contains a lot more hardcore folks. Tons of day one green players wont know all the info that has driven so many players away from some classes and races.

[Aaramis]

Has anything changed with Mages on the recent patch?

[deadlycupcakez]

Grouping... wife ench/me cleric
Non-grouping... wife druid/me mage
Solo... necro cause i miss my classic sexiness
Playing with friend... wife shm/him shm/me warrior... cause i'm gonna let them take turns tanking while I cripple dps.

This last sentence felt very intimate to read

[Bazia]

everytime i have to make a new main i get dissapointed how few classes ogre and troll ended up with

sucks man, they should have been allowed evil clerics and paladins

[LostCause]

curious is there a way to remove the ability to zoom out with mouse? not classic btw should only be able to use f9 or whatever you change it to

for camera otherwise first person

[Primordial Ooze]

Melee DPS might be in high demand at launch. Even the non-hardcore players that aren't represented in this poll mostly know that monks are poor and there aren't many good rogue piercers.

[Natewest1987]

everytime i have to make a new main i get dissapointed how few classes ogre and troll ended up with

sucks man, they should have been allowed evil clerics and paladins

... shadow knight ??? ....... shaman????

[Deathrydar]

everytime i have to make a new main i get dissapointed how few classes ogre and troll ended up with

sucks man, they should have been allowed evil clerics and paladins

Ogres and Trolls being allowed to be Clerics? Do you know how dumb Ogres and Trolls are in this game? How could they ever know how to communicate with the HOLY gods and gain clericial power? They wouldn't be able to. This is why they can be Shaman. They can still believe in like hippie stuff like being one with the planet and stuff.

And Paladins makes absolutely no sense! Paladins are holy warriors that crusade for good and light.

[Deathrydar]

... shadow knight ??? ....... shaman????

Exactly!

[Cen]

Ogres and Trolls being allowed to be Clerics? Do you know how dumb Ogres and Trolls are in this game? How could they ever know how to communicate with the HOLY gods and gain clericial power? They wouldn't be able to. This is why they can be Shaman. They can still believe in like hippie stuff like being one with the planet and stuff.

And Paladins makes absolutely no sense! Paladins are holy warriors that crusade for good and light.

I feel like anything can be a cleric. From a lore perspective, a god with a mission would love to speak into the ear of a giant death machine, and their wisdom scores are passable.

No intelligence primary classes though thats for sure ;p

[Kendir]

Still going with a troll sk this time. But I will be making the run to neriak upon creation.

[El-Hefe]

Playing an enchanter for the first time, my wife is set on playing a druid. Enchanter seems like it’ll be the best as a duo, plus the class seems like one that I’ll get a lot of use out of in the long run.

[dekova]

Have my heart set on an ogre shaman (I think?). Really looking forward to small melee groups with SKs, Rogues, Paladins and others not intent on making 50 in a week.

[Primordial Ooze]

Still going with a troll sk this time. But I will be making the run to neriak upon creation.

Is Neriak better for newbies? I haven't played a dark elf in a while, but the area around Neriak has always seemed really sparse on mobs. Not like Innothule Swamp.

[Kendir]

Is Neriak better for newbies? I haven't played a dark elf in a while, but the area around Neriak has always seemed really sparse on mobs. Not like Innothule Swamp.

Idk if it's really better or not but ive played so many dark elves over the years that I know Nektulos like the back of my hand. But I just realized there won't be anyone to bind for atleast a few hours so maybe I will just stay in the swamp after all.

[Primordial Ooze]

Swamp is pretty good. The fungus spores/men go down fast and give good xp, and frogs are everywhere. Just be aware of the wandering guards - some of them will ks you.

[Treehorn]

In classic live, I played an Enchanter.

On Project 1999, I played an Enchanter.

On green I'm going to play... do I have to say it? There's no other class for meeee!

[Deathrydar]

I'm about to change my selection to Magician since everyone is now scared to start one.

[slowpoke68]

What exactly is wrong with magicians now?

Also, lower number of monks because people are just waiting til Kunark to roll one?

[Fammaden]

I'm about to change my selection to Magician since everyone is now scared to start one.

There will be a ton of mages this poll doesn't mean shit dude.

[Deathrydar]

There will be a ton of mages this poll doesn't mean shit dude.

I believe it does. They were the 6th most popular choice in the last poll, and that was before people started this scare that they do not have pets post 20 for six months.

Now they are nearly dead last and there are double the amount of necromancers. I think they got scared of the rumors and chose necro.

[Deathrydar]

What exactly is wrong with magicians now?

Also, lower number of monks because people are just waiting til Kunark to roll one?

Some jerk started a rumor on how the patch notes said that mages don't get pets post 20 and how they don't cast spells for a while either. Then it took on its own life and grew into what you see today.

Poof= no more magicians.

[Samadhi]

I want to play Enchanter, but I also do not want to be the same class as half the server... so i am kinda undecided.

[Deathrydar]

I want to play Enchanter, but I also do not want to be the same class as half the server... so i am kinda undecided.

In my opinion, you shouldn't allow the choices of others to affect your game play! Most of those enchanters will not make it past level 25.

[Samadhi]

true

[dekova]

I want to play Enchanter, but I also do not want to be the same class as half the server... so i am kinda undecided.

The way I look at is half of those enchanters will be off soloing or duoing, that leaves "grouping" enchanters at about 4-5% of population.

[Samadhi]

well I would be doing a whatever.... I probably will also be doing JCing

[Tenlaar]

I feel like the assessment that half the people rolling enchanters won't make it to level 25 might be pretty accurate once they start trying to charm without being able to get like +80 Cha in gear for practically nothing like you can on Blue.

[Samadhi]

I feel like the assessment that half the people rolling enchanters won't make it to level 25 might be pretty accurate once they start trying to charm without being able to get like +80 Cha in gear for practically nothing like you can on Blue.

true.... Heck on my 40ish enchanter on live I rarly used charm.... i did not trust it enough.

[loramin]

true.... Heck on my 40ish enchanter on live I rarly used charm.... i did not trust it enough.

I think the general consensus is that charming is (unclassicaly) easy here compared live. No one remembers Enchanters charming pets for DPS as a regular thing on live (in the classic era), so it seems there's two possibilities:


Enchanters on live were all stupid and didn't know how to play their character as well as the geniuses here on P99
charm broke a ton more on live


Now I know we have a lot more knowledge than people did back then, but personally I tend to think #2 is a significant factor.

[bwe]

Do us a solid and find some proof, charm here seems way easy and I main an enchanter

[Aaramis]

I'm about to change my selection to Magician since everyone is now scared to start one.

Shhh, let's not give people ideas ;)

[Gustoo]

People here are smarter for sure but I dunno if people in real game were so dumb.

5 years stuck in kunark means crazy things.

We got some recent people from alkabor Mac server maybe they can speak to enchies.

[Samadhi]

People here are smarter for sure but I dunno if people in real game were so dumb.

5 years stuck in kunark means crazy things.

We got some recent people from alkabor Mac server maybe they can speak to enchies.

I tried that Al Kabor server... their client is hella glitchy...

[Gustoo]

I mean the original now cancelled eqmac server.

I don't have any experience at level 60 in kunark era but I don't remember anyone talking about enchies being solo slaughterhouses.

Either because of dumb or because we're not classic.

[fortior]

I want to play a bard but the 40% xp penalty means soloing will have to be the way

[Deathrydar]

I want to play a bard but the 40% xp penalty means soloing will have to be the way

That's actually the opposite of what is true. Your experience penalty practically disappears when you are grouping.

[ldgo86]

I want to play a bard but the 40% xp penalty means soloing will have to be the way

I don’t think this is necessarily true. Lots of people gonna play just for the ride, and bards are a desirable class for a group. As long as you don’t suck ;)

[Tenlaar]

Bards may well end up being THE most desirable hybrid to group with by far, especially if we end up with no Clarity for the first few months. Bringing the best HP and later the only Mana regen in the game, as well as haste and slow if the group has no shm/ench, is going to be a HUGE boost for any group of untwinked characters.

I've been planning to main a shaman and I keep trying to resist the desire to roll bard because I have a 58 one on blue already, but a bards ability to reduce downtime and ease pulls and charm DPS without worry about Cha the way enchanters need to and all that good stuff is going to be so ridiculously good during that first wave to 50.

[ZarkinFrood]

I had almost decided 100% on ranger but now I’m actually considering a bard. Funny because I’ve always been a staunch bard hater.

[slowpoke68]

Warrior, wizard or cleric. Decisions, decisions!

[Deathrydar]

I had almost decided 100% on ranger but now I’m actually considering a bard. Funny because I’ve always been a staunch bard hater.

May I ask what changed your mind?

[Baler]

I'm going all in on Necromancer for green.
I never played one on blue nor had access to one.

Erudite classic
Iksar Kunark-Velious

[magusfire24]

Necro does sounds really fun for green! Played a mage to 37 on live. Started a necro but never got past 17. too many alts. Always wished the mage had a oh crap button like feign death. Plus I love the idea of rotting a mobs hp down slowly. Will be a dark elf Necromancer I think. Neriak is such a beautiful city!

[Indicas]

i'm rolling with a rogue, they are fun, group friendly, can get around well, and based upon the pulls they are going to be one of the lesser played classes potentially

[Baler]

Necro does sounds really fun for green! Played a mage to 37 on live. Started a necro but never got past 17. too many alts. Always wished the mage had a oh crap button like feign death. Plus I love the idea of rotting a mobs hp down slowly. Will be a dark elf Necromancer I think. Neriak is such a beautiful city!

I played mage to death on blue. It's arguably my favorite plat farming class.
If I wasn't keen on erudites I'd go dark elf for sure. Either race is pretty much apex for necro, pre kunark.

[magusfire24]

I started farming plat around 20 with my mage. gnome. massacred the dark elf guards on sides of bridge near commonlands entrance. some nice bronze weapons. Then of course is the Rathe Mtns hill giants. Love that camp.

[flacidpenguin]

Interesting to see druid take the lead!

[Tenlaar]

I really, really love the mage class and even having a high level mage on blue I considered doing it again, my problem is that I also really, really don't enjoy the pet chaining style of killing. So beyond a certain point soloing for me becomes really tedious and blah.

[Deathrydar]

As of now, looks like green will be a soloing server. Dominated by Necromancers and Druids. What a change from the last poll.

[Bazia]

As of now, looks like green will be a soloing server. Dominated by Necromancers and Druids. What a change from the last poll.

people went on green with some melee classes realized they couldnt solo an even con and now remember why most people level a farmer first :D

[Baler]

As of now, looks like green will be a soloing server. Dominated by Necromancers and Druids. What a change from the last poll.

Right up until kunark
Then people will shift into the meta classes we see on blue now.

[Tecmos Deception]

As of now, looks like green will be a soloing server. Dominated by Necromancers and Druids. What a change from the last poll.

My momeory of this era live and all of blue was druids and necros being the most or very close to the most popular classes.

[magusfire24]

As of now, looks like green will be a soloing server. Dominated by Necromancers and Druids. What a change from the last poll.

Yes some people will always solo, but lots will still group I am sure. I will be doing some of both.

[Tenlaar]

As of now, looks like green will be a soloing server. Dominated by Necromancers and Druids. What a change from the last poll.

I'll gladly group with a necro and a druid on my shaman, hell of a good fear kiting/root rotting trio.

[Baler]

I'll gladly group with a necro and a druid on my shaman, hell of a good fear kiting/root rotting trio.

Necro Shaman is an excellent duo experience. HP/Mana ez

[Calyps0]

I'm going with rogue like I started back when I first started playing in 99. Such a fun class to play, but I will be relying heavily on groups if I plan to get to 50+. My play time is going to be reduced as well so hoping I have the patience to progress.

[Samadhi]

I am gonna play a monk in beta it seems fun as hell... good class to not worry about saving for spells and focus on gear and leathercrafting.

[Elements]

But the number of Necromancers doubled. A lot of people might have realized that having a pet from level 1 is a nice boost and that the solo farming abilities are higher. - And maybe died enough without Cleric epics around to want to have FD. :D

More interesting is that the percentages of Melee classes increased noticeably.

How do you buy a pet at level 1 with no plat?

[Baler]

How do you buy a pet at level 1 with no plat?

With gold, duhhh ;)

[Chryorn]

For a Dark Elf with 60 base charisma the pet costs 1 gold and 5 coppers. That is one piece of cloth armor or one of the better rusty weapons. On Green I bought the pet after my second kill.

[Icannotpost]

Results are getting more realistic now

[oldhead]

Mez is, I think, the main reason that every group needs an enchanter. You can turn a wipe into a normal pull. Lull is great too, as are color stuns. Haste and slow of course. Enchanters make the entire group better.

Are enchanters charm beasts in classic like they are on the TLPs? Always loved the enc role in group but do not want to be charm slave can afk to pee

[Nuggie]

If you want to charm you need to be paying attention. If you need to go pee just calm and camp it off. Recharm when you come back.

[Sinistria]

uhhh ohhhhh aaaarg...

Thinking of Wizzi again.
Damn i so love that class.
But realy wanted to play a melee as well
Testing out SK was so much fun.

OK,

Still some hours to go (105, so long until i can start)
Time to rethink everything.

[flacidpenguin]

Interesting to see that druid has broken away to lead the pack!

[Jimjam]

Interesting to see that druid has broken away to lead the pack!

Could this be the return of the 'dr00d'?

[fortior]

druids get charms, heals, ports, snares, can quad, honestly I looked at the classic spell lists and they are just the best all around, imagine being able to farm while porting yourself to vendors, and being able to level in lots of places without travel downtime

with the server being really fucking crowded at the low and mid end for a long time (because small world + huge pop) it's really going to suck to 1) walk everywhere 2) look for ports 3) pay your meager plat for ports

because guess what there won't be a DaP and if people port, they'll ask for cash beforehand. I know you will be paying me up front for a port, and you won't be paying a small amount

[Tecmos Deception]

Why would lots of druids be surprising? They were very popular on live. And on blue early. And on blue today.

They'll be popular on green.

[fortior]

rather be a druid than a non iksar necromancer for sure

[Aaramis]

because guess what there won't be a DaP and if people port, they'll ask for cash beforehand. I know you will be paying me up front for a port, and you won't be paying a small amount

Dial-A-Port was sadly missing from Green beta. Those of us who took the BB <-> EFP boat ride know the pain of a lack of ports.

Fortunately, at the speed I level, by the time I'll need a port, people will be 50 :)

[Deathrydar]

At least this is starting to make sense again. I couldn't understand the drastic change between the last poll and this one, but it is starting to even out again. And now there are more Shadow Knights than Paladins, which is how I thought it would be!

I still can't understand the low Monk numbers though. I would have thought without having to worry about weapons or armor on a fresh server, it would be a go to class!

[Sinistria]

I think they just wait for Kunark to be an iksar monk.

[Primordial Ooze]

At least this is starting to make sense again. I couldn't understand the drastic change between the last poll and this one, but it is starting to even out again. And now there are more Shadow Knights than Paladins, which is how I thought it would be!

I still can't understand the low Monk numbers though. I would have thought without having to worry about weapons or armor on a fresh server, it would be a go to class!

Dunno about other people, but I decided not to main a monk because I'm going to want to collect/carry a lot and accumulate some plat, and my impression is that monks have to stay light and poor.

[Primordial Ooze]

So wait, no DaP? I assumed that guild or one like it would get started as soon as porters started getting their levels.

[Tenlaar]

I know you will be paying me up front for a port, and you won't be paying a small amount

Gross. Why are you already planning on being greedy before the server has even opened?

[Tecmos Deception]

Gross. Why are you already planning on being greedy before the server has even opened?

Charge this guy extra.

[Insaiyan]

Quite literally torn between a Druid, Necromancer, and Enchanter.

1. Druid. The obvious modern day do-it-all chill class. Heals, buffs, kiting, charm, ports, root & rot and you can turn into a wolf. Gonna be a lot though, and I want to be a half-elf because I like Qeynos starting area. Did they get an exp penalty?

2. Enchanter. Can go almost anywhere if agnostic. Cool to explore EVERYTHING with your illusions. It's literally awesome to feel like you're infiltrating the cities everyone is kill on sight in and if you're a noob like me, it's still fun to explore. Charming, buffs, high risk-high reward OR a low-hanging fruit. Maybe too much going on, too stressful later on without timers.

3. Necromancer. The solo artist. Don't even need good gear to progress, apparently. KoS lots of places, but an absolute swiss-army-knife super utility tool-kit to make killing out in the world fun and a breeze. Never worry about dying with Invis, Feign Death, etc.

[Deathrydar]

Druid.. Did they get an exp penalty?

No.

[Tenlaar]

Charge this guy extra.

You probably don't want to jump into conversations about greed and P99, what with your admitted history of RMT.

[Tecmos Deception]

You probably don't want to jump into conversations about greed and P99, what with your admitted history of RMT.

If I didn't want to, I wouldn't have! :rolleyes:

Besides, we weren't actually talking about greed. You were just using that word to refer to supply and demand and other economic factors determining prices for some reason.

[Vexenu]

A lot of people are delaying Monks until Kunark/Iksar, but I really think that's a mistake. Monks are quite good DPS in Classic with 14/30 fists at level 50. Compare with the best Rogue piercer in Classic at 13/31 (and that's a Vox drop, most everything else caps at 10 damage). Also remember that Kunark will be open for 5-6 months until Epics come out. So Rogues will not be getting their Ragebringers anytime soon. But T-staffs will be dropping from day 1 of Kunark. Human Monks will be out DPSing all but the best geared Rogues for the entire first year and a half of Green. If you want to play a Monk all the way through Velious it definitely behooves you to start one in classic. Unless you have a lot of guild help with powerleveling, twinking and MQing Sky drops it will be tough for an Iksar Monk to catch up with a day 1 Human Monk who's had a year headstart on gear (41% haste from Sky and Wu's Fist being the big prizes). And Rogues will just be crying in their soup the first few months of Kunark when they're watching T-staff Monks rip through mobs while they're still mostly using classic piercers.

[Caledore]

With limited play-time, I am considering druid for the convenience and versatility. Nice to be able to explore and get around easily. Plus, I just enjoy buffing random passerbys.

But I'm also really tempted to play a Paladin, because I've always wanted to main one but never gotten one higher than 20.

So I'll just have both, because I'm indecisive.

[Tenlaar]

If I didn't want to, I wouldn't have! :rolleyes:

Besides, we weren't actually talking about greed. You were just using that word to refer to supply and demand and other economic factors determining prices for some reason.

Okay, let me rephrase - I don't give two shits what an RMT pro like yourself has to say when it comes to greed on P99.

[magusfire24]

Okay, let me rephrase - I don't give two shits what an RMT pro like yourself has to say when it comes to greed on P99.

Please take this discussion somewhere else if yall are gonna just flame each other. This is not the place for it. This is a peaceful place. :)

[Tenlaar]

Please take this discussion somewhere else if yall are gonna just flame each other. This is not the place for it. This is a peaceful place. :)

I don't intend to keep responding to him, but I'm not afraid to call things what they are. Dude is an RMT pro and shouldn't be allowed to play here and him trying to comment on anything relating to greed is laughable.

[Deathrydar]

Please take this discussion somewhere else if yall are gonna just flame each other. This is not the place for it. This is a peaceful place. :)

[slowpoke68]

A lot of people are delaying Monks until Kunark/Iksar, but I really think that's a mistake. Monks are quite good DPS in Classic with 14/30 fists at level 50. Compare with the best Rogue piercer in Classic at 13/31 (and that's a Vox drop, most everything else caps at 10 damage). Also remember that Kunark will be open for 5-6 months until Epics come out. So Rogues will not be getting their Ragebringers anytime soon. But T-staffs will be dropping from day 1 of Kunark. Human Monks will be out DPSing all but the best geared Rogues for the entire first year and a half of Green. If you want to play a Monk all the way through Velious it definitely behooves you to start one in classic. Unless you have a lot of guild help with powerleveling, twinking and MQing Sky drops it will be tough for an Iksar Monk to catch up with a day 1 Human Monk who's had a year headstart on gear (41% haste from Sky and Wu's Fist being the big prizes). And Rogues will just be crying in their soup the first few months of Kunark when they're watching T-staff Monks rip through mobs while they're still mostly using classic piercers.

Yeah weird. Monk is a great class, surprised by this also.

[Raclen]

Yeah weird. Monk is a great class, surprised by this also.

Monks aren't great before Kunark and are missing the best race. If you make a monk it should be your main and if you are serious about it you should make an iksar. Main monks will focus on plat farming alts in classic.

[Deathrydar]

Monks aren't great before Kunark and are missing the best race. If you make a monk it should be your main and if you are serious about it you should make an iksar. Main monks will focus on plat farming alts in classic.

Sounds like an opinion from a min/maxer.

[Samadhi]

agreed

[Gustoo]

Classic monks are the best. No items available and no items required. The class was designed to be used with no items at all...like a monk. And fists.

The kunark hyper monk is am abomination.

So imo vanilla is best time to enjoy a real monk. Whether you re roll an iksar for Regen and extra AC is up to you. It doesn't matter at all on PVE but on pvp you lose vs iksar in a 1 on 1 because of those HP gainz

[bum3]

I just want you to know no matter what class, race, or sex you pick, I love you. As long as you don't train me. But if you do, I will still love you if you buy me dinner first.

[Rick Sanchez]

I just want you to know no matter what class, race, or sex you pick, I love you. As long as you don't train me. But if you do, I will still love you if you buy me dinner first.

Lol

[Vexenu]

Monks aren't great before Kunark and are missing the best race. If you make a monk it should be your main and if you are serious about it you should make an iksar. Main monks will focus on plat farming alts in classic.
Real dumb. Most of the top raiding Monks on Blue during the first couple years of Kunark were all Human. Do you know why? Because they had a big head start on leveling and gearing. Iksar Monks aren't magically handed 41% haste belts and Wu fists on day 1 Kunark. And any guild worth a shit will not be handing over T-staffs to Iksar Monk twinks ahead of their geared out level 50 Human Monks.

Levels and gear Trump everything in EQ, including Iksar racials, which are inarguably great but totally unnecessary for a raiding Monk who will have a Fungi and Regrowth going while pulling anyway. Anyone who wants to main a Monk but plans to wait til Kunark is making a huge mistake.

[Deathrydar]

Real dumb. Anyone who wants to main a Monk but plans to wait til Kunark is making a huge mistake.

[Indicas]

I played a mage at launch in original EQ. Frankly, the pets sucked at the beginning and I always wished I was a necro.
me too , i seen necro's soloin stuff at lvl 29 that my mage couldnt' till he got the 34 spells, same with druids, well i could kill the mobs but it would have to be on the expense of chain casting pets and thats not really a strategy cus its not terribly effective always

[Fammaden]

Anyone who wants to main a Monk is making a huge mistake.

[Sizar]

I am going with wizard. I have never played one before and it is totally different than the main classes I usually stick with. I like the idea of having the option of porting for money if I really want to and in groups, I can literally sit there for long periods of time while hardly paying attention, then stand and press a button to do my part.

As we get older some of us just become lazier, and this class seems like it would fit that nicely. No buffing people in groups or pulling constantly is key for me!

[Deathrydar]

As we get older some of us just become lazier, and this class seems like it would fit that nicely. No buffing people in groups or pulling constantly is key for me!

It's a great class to play while still fulfilling your "Honey-do list".

Win/Win :p

[oldhead]

Why do you think monk is so low? Because Human vs iskar and human vs light? Their dps isn't boned or anything right?

[Gustoo]

Its because human.

They're an amazing class in vanilla.

It's only in Vanilla where their true vision of Monkliness is fully realized, basically no gear, pure skill and awesomeness.

[oldhead]

Monks aren't great before Kunark and are missing the best race. If you make a monk it should be your main and if you are serious about it you should make an iksar. Main monks will focus on plat farming alts in classic.

Good point.. maybe people are in for the long haul and are willing to wait for that sweet monk twink a year from now.

[oldhead]

Its because human.

They're an amazing class in vanilla.

It's only in Vanilla where their true vision of Monkliness is fully realized, basically no gear, pure skill and awesomeness.

The lighting is nuts too... I went on and tested it. Was bliiiiind as a bat. Was kinda of cool tho.

[Jibartik]

I am trying to decide if I want to do necro or shaman...

I think gearing the necro will be fun, but the shaman will be really fun, but the abilities of a necro vs a shaman are more appealing to me in the short term, but the long term abilities of a shaman are also appealing, I will prob just go necro but... getting a darkelf with red plate shaman would be a really fun quest.

UGH

[oldhead]

:cool:Dunno about other people, but I decided not to main a monk because I'm going to want to collect/carry a lot and accumulate some plat, and my impression is that monks have to stay light and poor.

hmm, that weight limit. Anyone know how much AC or Mitigation is lost by going over? Is it something you can just say F it about?

[Sizar]

:cool:

hmm, that weight limit. Anyone know how much AC or Mitigation is lost by going over? Is it something you can just say F it about?

Not sure of the numbers but I solo'd with 2 different monks on blue and it is totally fine to go over a bit. Also this is classic, soloing as a melee is much harder. Monks will be in groups more often, and in groups you may have a tank to take the hits making the AC loss nearly negligible, or a healer or both ideally.

[cd288]

Now that most of the Classic changes have been announced and tested on the beta server (e.g. darkness, class abilities, UI overhaul, etc.), which class will you play as your primary character on Green?

This new poll is being created about one week prior to the release of Green to provide an updated sample of the server's potential population. It may be interesting to see how the new results compare to the previous poll (Link (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333682)) now that people have had more time to consider the Classic changes being implemented.

As of 10/17/2019, out of 663 votes, the original poll's results were:

Bard 53 (7.99%)

Cleric 57 (8.60%)

Druid 82 (12.37%)

Enchanter 87 (13.12%)

Magician 43 (6.49%)

Monk 28 (4.22%)

Necromancer 43 (6.49%)

Paladin 35 (5.28%)

Ranger 39 (5.88%)

Rogue 28 (4.22%)

Shadow Knight 29 (4.37%)

Shaman 67 (10.11%)

Warrior 33 (4.98%)

Wizard 39 (5.88%)

What class ability changes are you referring to? Barely any have been announced

[Chryorn]

It is a sliding scale. The more overweight you are, the lower the AGI. - The same as with other classes too, it just starts a lot earlier for monks. Since monks were not envisioned to be a high AC class that loss of AGI was intended to be even more punishing than it is with the high AC gear of the expansions.

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/Pn6Aycw.png

[Jah]

:cool:

hmm, that weight limit. Anyone know how much AC or Mitigation is lost by going over? Is it something you can just say F it about?
http://wiki.project1999.com/Monk#Weight_Penalty_Guide

No. You want no weight on the monk. I mean don't carry bags until you have Weight Reducing bags. The weight limit is not about being Encumbered. It is about having any kind of weight at all. The wiki link I provided should direct you to the page where you can find the table. The numbers for allowable weight are incredibly low.

Weight has no impact on your DPS

[Deathrydar]

And Enchanter takes the lead again!!

[sacman08]

Haha low monk results because they are all waiting for Ikky

[Jibartik]

I like human monk better for pve because pve is all about other people healing you.

[Gustoo]

Its true man. Being non KOS on all the real world is a huge advantage for PVE.

Iksar tactical improvements mean a lot in 1 v 1 battles where every edge counts in PVP but for PVE getting to start in vanilla is well worth human. Plus DE mask so dark elf monk is funny.

[TROUNCE]

I'm struggling to see the point of making a farming character to twink a monk come kunark on a server that is going to dump into blue anyway. Why not just start on blue if you really want iksar? Gear is cheap.

[Throatseeker]

Its because human.

They're an amazing class in vanilla.

It's only in Vanilla where their true vision of Monkliness is fully realized, basically no gear, pure skill and awesomeness.

<3

[Cen]

Why is the ranger count so high this time ;p We can't all be Drow ruby war wizards

[reznor_]

no warriors or monks, rip.

[Throatseeker]

no warriors or monks, rip.

Monk all the way bb!!

[reznor_]

Monk all the way bb!!

find me and group :)

[Throatseeker]

find me and group :)

bet!

[Noselacri]

Why do you think monk is so low? Because Human vs iskar and human vs light?

It's also the fact that there's so little monk gear pre-Kunark that it's not as attractive.

[Ahris]

I'm pretty sure the class representation will change considerably a while after launch when people realize just how different gameplay will be from blue. Also the high number of casters will result in people rolling melee classes out of necessity. :)

[Kanuvan]

if you exclude the obviously best solo/support classes you get a pretty even spread, no one gonna be a melee without twink no it doesnt have anything to do with iksar vs human all the melee have low votes, all the melee are even across the board and monk has never been a popular archtype in d&d unless powerful gear and twinking was available, go ahead and take a look at the amount of nercros then tell me its a ikky thing...im waiting, even without iksar race necro is a busted class, wont stop me from being the human

simple fact, in every d&d monk is only overplayed if its overpowered, even if its the best pure melee in green

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I expect it will only take until people find the first proc weapons (PGT etc) before warriors are far more common. Thats what lv 25-30 in Highpass? Few weeks before PGT's are around?

EDIT: Sorry forgot the pgt proc doesnt cause aggro, its a buff isnt it. Oh well.

Gnoll Hide Lariat/Tentacle whips i guess?

[Deathrydar]

Warrior is dead last. I guess everyone figures they will try to level one up when Kunark releases........not a good idea, but I don't raid so, have fun!!!

[Aaramis]

I expect it will only take until people find the first proc weapons (PGT etc) before warriors are far more common. Thats what lv 25-30 in Highpass? Few weeks before PGT's are around?

EDIT: Sorry forgot the pgt proc doesnt cause aggro, its a buff isnt it. Oh well.

Gnoll Hide Lariat/Tentacle whips i guess?

Grenix is level 17 IIRC; and many of the mobs in that area are 16-19, but assist/heal, so you want to be a solid late-teens group to tackle it; 20ish is far safer.

Still, pretty early on for a pretty awesome weapon.
And by then, you're probably starting to obtain bronze armour too.

[Fammaden]

Warrior is dead last. I guess everyone figures they will try to level one up when Kunark releases........not a good idea, but I don't raid so, have fun!!!

Serious end game prepared guilds are going to have druids and bards leveled well before Kunark, who can then PL up melee and clerics to their heart's content.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Grenix is level 17 IIRC; and many of the mobs in that area are 16-19, but assist/heal, so you want to be a solid late-teens group to tackle it; 20ish is far safer.

Still, pretty early on for a pretty awesome weapon.
And by then, you're probably starting to obtain bronze armour too.

Sure. I more mean proc weapons for added aggro. Nothing like resisted rubbish procs to piss something off :D Gnoll hide lariat takes some levelling to get the proc for though.

Then again maybe buffs are seen as threat just as cleric heals are? Dunno

[Tecmos Deception]

Sure. I more mean proc weapons for added aggro. Nothing like resisted rubbish procs to piss something off :D Gnoll hide lariat takes some levelling to get the proc for though.

Then again maybe buffs are seen as threat just as cleric heals are? Dunno

Pgt proc is basically a rune. It will generate a ton of threat, and on everything that has the warrior on its aggro list too, not just on the current target.

[cd288]

Sure. I more mean proc weapons for added aggro. Nothing like resisted rubbish procs to piss something off :D Gnoll hide lariat takes some levelling to get the proc for though.

Then again maybe buffs are seen as threat just as cleric heals are? Dunno

I think certain buffs are. Maybe just the ones that increase HP and therefore count as a heal threat-wise? I've definitely been aggroed after casting a Skin spell on my Druid.

[AegnorP99]

I've been all over the place on this question. Having experienced the raid scene on Blue, I have no interest in subjecting myself to that ever again. Hence I really don't care if my choice is good on raids. I've also played my fair share of relatively under-powered or boring classes (namely wizard), and wouldn't mind being a little closer to OP this time around.

Best I can come up with is shaman for excellent group and solo focused gameplay that's significantly different than what I've played before. Enchanter could also be fun, but I am not sure I've got the skill under pressure to handle charm breaks or difficult camps. Druid may be an option for super easy solo play, some decent group opportunities at low level, and the convenience of ports. Ahhh, can't decide.

Voted shaman for now. Probably a troll.

[Icannotpost]

Definitely Shaman for what you’re describing

[toddfx]

I'm leaning towards making a Bard, probably for entirely different reasons than most people.

-My main has always been a Monk, so this seems similar yet different.
-I'm interested in adding more tools to my belt, but hate medding.
-Learning to master situational song twisting will be a fresh new challenge.
-Gearing up sounds fun and relatively relaxed. I love the look of full Bronze plate and will make that one of my first goals.
-Diving into the world of 1HS weapons will be a nice change of pace, coming from a Monk. Dual wielding with haste song will be another milestone to motivate me.
-Having speed song sounds amazing for traveling.

I should also say that my play style is much more focused on enjoying the low to mid level range, with little chance I'll see end-game content.

[Taryth]

I'm torn between Bard, Monk, and Shaman. I know there will be a lot of other Shamans around, but I enjoy that class from what I've seen of it, and I've only gotten one up to mid 30s.

I've played many Monks over the years and always had fun, plus I know it will be a relatively nice pick for classic without any gear. Bards are awesome and I'd like to try it, but the idea of constantly twisting does seem like it might get annoying.

So many choices, so little time.

[mike13bc]

My first toon ever was a Mage back in late 99 & haven't played one since then.

Will be rolling a Warrior very soon after that though. Can't wait to quest hard for some crafted and get some dual wield YAKS baby.

[Primordial Ooze]

Someone make me feel better about going Erudite cleric for my main. I've always wanted to roll one but I'm afraid I'm gonna be blind and bored af.

[Vexenu]

I was perusing the classic-era Legacy of Steel screenshots linked in this thread (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=335864) and came upon this one from the height of Velious: http://www.legacyofsteel.net/gallery/2001/05/images/groupshot.jpg

Notice anything?

No Iksar Monks! No Iksars at all!

When you're on the bleeding edge of raid competition with the classic release schedule (only 7 months of Kunark before Velious!) there simply isn't going to be time to level and gear up an Iksar character. Kunark on Green is going to be a full-out sprint to get everyone to 60 and keyed for VP. Any guild that stops and decides that powerleveling Iksar Monks is a productive use of its time is going to be left in the dust. It goes back to what I said earlier: if you want to play a raiding Monk on Green, don't think that waiting for Iksar is the smart move. You will put yourself in a major hole compared to the level 50 Human Monks who will be sprinting out the gate at Kunark release with full Fear and Sky gear, ready to proc their new T-staffs from day one.

[CHusk2]

On classic, I played Alkaiser the Erudite cleric on E'ci. On P99 blue I played Alkaiser the Erudite cleric. On red I played Alhazad the Erudite paladin. I've always loved Erudites and I find it difficult to break away from that race as my main choice.

However, I do want to play a rogue. I'm thinking I'll take the leap and play either a human warrior or human rogue.

Though, I may go with a bard.

[Primordial Ooze]

On classic, I played Alkaiser the Erudite cleric on E'ci. On P99 blue I played Alkaiser the Erudite cleric. On red I played Alhazad the Erudite paladin. I've always loved Erudites and I find it difficult to break away from that race as my main choice.

However, I do want to play a rogue. I'm thinking I'll take the leap and play either a human warrior or human rogue.

Though, I may go with a bard.

I mained a human rogue on blue. :)

[Kendir]

Still going with a troll sk this time. But I will be making the run to neriak upon creation.

I've changed my mind on race. I'm just going to stick with what I love. Dark Elf Shadowknight.

[cd288]

On classic, I played Alkaiser the Erudite cleric on E'ci. On P99 blue I played Alkaiser the Erudite cleric. On red I played Alhazad the Erudite paladin. I've always loved Erudites and I find it difficult to break away from that race as my main choice.

However, I do want to play a rogue. I'm thinking I'll take the leap and play either a human warrior or human rogue.

Though, I may go with a bard.

Oh man I mailed a Human Warrior back from soon after launch till about 2004ish. It took me so long leveling (partially because I didn’t know what I was doing) that it was like 5 months before I even made an alt. I remember being stunned at all the stuff casters could do that I couldn’t lol

[Keebz]

I think I'm locked into Ranger, but may last minute waffle to Paladin or SK.

WE Ranger or HE Paladin seem like they'd have a good starting path with infravision and easy access to Crushbone, Unrest and Mistmoore, but Human Ranger or Erudite Paladin are just sweet--not to mention I've never done Blackburrow before. On the other hand, the nightblindness of the beta does scare me off a bit.

For SK I was thinking Ogre, but unfortunately, I've done Oasis/Upper Guk to death. So there's less novelty in leveling path. I'm mainly drawn to the dead simple tanking, QoL features, and the fact I've never played an FD class before.

My main goal is really to level in Cazic-Thule and grab some Rubicite and maybe a DE mask.

Both SK and Ranger seem a lot more convenient than Paladin, but something about stunning caster mobs gets me really excited.

[Baler]

I'm surprised wizzy only has 19 votes so far.
Wizard nukes are in high demand during classic and kunark.

[Sinistria]

I am close of playing a wizzi and not an SK.

Can't stand it, i love them so much.
Hard to decide.
I need 2 lives and 48 hour days.

An SK would mean more action...
Wizzi is nice to port and good support for a group.

Damn!

[CHusk2]

Primordial Ooze: I say I roll a human rogue & you roll an Erudite cleric. We'll rule the world!

Or maybe we'll get slapped around, but it'll be fun either way.

[Noselacri]

Surprised about the apparent lack of wizards. I realize it's not the best class for grouping or solo, but it's desired in raids, it's not gear-dependent, and having ports in classic is a huge luxury. Why would this class be among the least played?

[greatdane]

I have to strongly recommend not going high elf paladin unless you already know what you're in for. With a base strength of fucking 65, it's a nightmare. A set of small bronze armor weighs 64.7. Ghoulbane is 9.5. Mithril 2h is 8.5. You'd need to pour all your points into strength in order to even carry your gear+bags, and you won't be able to loot anything. It's a terrible idea for a first char on a fresh server. I mean borderline unplayable. If you really want Tunare and infravision, go half-elf and save yourself months of agony and regret. High elf paladin is the kind of thing you can do as a twink alt a year down the line.

[Tecmos Deception]

Surprised about the apparent lack of wizards. I realize it's not the best class for grouping or solo, but it's desired in raids, it's not gear-dependent, and having ports in classic is a huge luxury. Why would this class be among the least played?

It's among the least popular on blue too. There's a stigma attached to wizards because of their low sustained dps on blue compared to other classes. I think they'll be in a lot better place on green throughout the timeline, but especially during classic (when nobody has any gear, mobs have low hit points, and there aren't druid alts around to help with ports yet) and early kunark (when wizards get some nice new spells but there still isn't a lot of great weapons floating around). And they'll still be fine during Velious, even if they don't have an easy time getting into regular groups.

I kinda was considering a gnome wizard as my main on green, but they're a too slow-paced for me and I want to be a class that groups KNOW is useful rather than one that you can convince them isn't awful.

[Deathrydar]

I have to strongly recommend not going high elf paladin unless you already know what you're in for. With a base strength of fucking 65, it's a nightmare. A set of small bronze armor weighs 64.7. Ghoulbane is 9.5. Mithril 2h is 8.5. You'd need to pour all your points into strength in order to even carry your gear+bags, and you won't be able to loot anything. It's a terrible idea for a first char on a fresh server. I mean borderline unplayable. If you really want Tunare and infravision, go half-elf and save yourself months of agony and regret. High elf paladin is the kind of thing you can do as a twink alt a year down the line.

High Elf Paladin is fine if you put your bonus points into STR and STA.

[Aaramis]

I have to strongly recommend not going high elf paladin unless you already know what you're in for. With a base strength of fucking 65, it's a nightmare. A set of small bronze armor weighs 64.7. Ghoulbane is 9.5. Mithril 2h is 8.5. You'd need to pour all your points into strength in order to even carry your gear+bags, and you won't be able to loot anything. It's a terrible idea for a first char on a fresh server. I mean borderline unplayable. If you really want Tunare and infravision, go half-elf and save yourself months of agony and regret. High elf paladin is the kind of thing you can do as a twink alt a year down the line.

^This.

Plus half-elves get a sweet mask of Inny once PoH is released.
Just sayin'

[Izmael]

Wizzies are going to kick some more butt on Green during classic, given how the melees will swing their 13/40 weapons at the mobs trying to make them die from laughter.

[magusfire24]

http://www.gucomics.com/comics/2000/gu_20000828.jpg

Classic!

[Tecmos Deception]

Wizzies are going to kick some more butt on Green during classic, given how the melees will swing their 13/40 weapons at the mobs trying to make them die from laughter.

They will be in a lot better place than they are on blue. But a 50 wizard will still only sustain like 12-15 dps even with clarity and/or bardsong. Melee won't have any trouble doing more than that even with classic weapons, pets (even a chanter animation, I think) will do more than that by themselves, and charms will still be able to do 50+ dps.

They'll be a fine addition to groups if they're judiciously using stuns, roots, and snares, but they're not exactly going to blow anyone away with their damage.

[CHusk2]

"I have to strongly recommend not going high elf paladin unless you already know what you're in for. With a base strength of fucking 65, it's a nightmare. A set of small bronze armor weighs 64.7. Ghoulbane is 9.5. Mithril 2h is 8.5. You'd need to pour all your points into strength in order to even carry your gear+bags, and you won't be able to loot anything. It's a terrible idea for a first char on a fresh server. I mean borderline unplayable. If you really want Tunare and infravision, go half-elf and save yourself months of agony and regret. High elf paladin is the kind of thing you can do as a twink alt a year down the line."

While I do agree with you, I have to play devil's advocate here. I rolled an erudite paladin on Red99 when it first went live and it was incredibly fun. I was the only tank in my guild, and for me twinking just absolutely kills this game. I love doing everything on one character. Making friends, joining a guild and playing from 1-50 with no help from high-level alts is what Everquest is all about for me. Playing an erudite paladin on red was a tough climb, but it was 100% worth it.

So, I say play what you want. You'll have a lot more fun than grinding from 1-50 with a class you don't really like just so you can come back and play the class you really want to play later.

[Raclen]

There are actually more tanks than I expected with this poll. 27% tanks if you count rangers. Each group of 6 only needs 1 tank and tanks will need to be in groups 100% of the time. It looks like groups may be starved more of dps since you want multiple dps and the dps classes can also solo well.

[Cen]

There are actually more tanks than I expected with this poll. 27% tanks if you count rangers. Each group of 6 only needs 1 tank and tanks will need to be in groups 100% of the time. It looks like groups may be starved more of dps since you want multiple dps and the dps classes can also solo well.

Hey everyone just FYI rangers are tanks AND dps in classic. So invite us and we will yeet arrows and blades into your enemies and make them mad at us, for a small price of a 3-4.5% exp penalty to each of you.

[Tecmos Deception]

Hey everyone just FYI rangers are tanks AND dps in classic. So invite us and we will yeet arrows and blades into your enemies and make them mad at us, for a small price of a 3-4.5% exp penalty to each of you.

40% / 6 doesn't equal 3-4.5% ya dirty lying woodsman. Even if you were in a group with 5 troll shadowknights, a ranger's penalty still is a 4.2% ding on their exp, to say nothing of adding a ranger to a group of int and wis casters!

[Fammaden]

There are actually more tanks than I expected with this poll. 27% tanks if you count rangers. Each group of 6 only needs 1 tank and tanks will need to be in groups 100% of the time. It looks like groups may be starved more of dps since you want multiple dps and the dps classes can also solo well.

Yeah, this is always the case, and the reason you see blue threads from time to time about tanks complaining they can't find groups. Each xp group only wants one of them at a time ideally. Ditto clerics, yes the invite is instant when a group needs you, but the wait can be hours and hours if they all have heals covered, they don't want a second one over dps, unless maybe undead or the healer is logging soon. If this many people are really rolling clerics, they might be in for a rude awakening for PuG'ing if they aren't already part of a group of friends or guild.

Rogues though, and dps in general, stack. Tank/healer/CC, then you get three dps no worries about redundancy. Of course we have no real idea how the server grouping dynamic will actually play out just yet.

[Tecmos Deception]

Yeah, this is always the case, and the reason you see blue threads from time to time about tanks complaining they can't find groups. Each xp group only wants one of them at a time ideally. Ditto clerics, yes the invite is instant when a group needs you, but the wait can be hours and hours if they all have heals covered, they don't want a second one over dps, unless maybe undead or the healer is logging soon. If this many people are really rolling clerics, they might be in for a rude awakening for PuG'ing if they aren't already part of a group of friends or guild.

Rogues though, and dps in general, stack. Tank/healer/CC, then you get three dps no worries about redundancy. Of course we have no real idea how the server grouping dynamic will actually play out just yet.

9% clerics isn't going to make it hard for clerics to find groups. If anything, it'll bone over the 4-5% of people playing wizards, since 1-30 clerics are like 90% of a wizard but while also bringing heals and buffs and a slightly smaller exp penalty! And if there are undead? Shit. A cleric IS a wizard with heals and buffs at that point.

And even if people don't look at wizards as lame versions of every other caster like I do, 9% clerics is still a LOT less than 1 per group.

[deadlycupcakez]

9% clerics isn't going to make it hard for clerics to find groups. If anything, it'll bone over the 4-5% of people playing wizards, since 1-30 clerics are like 90% of a wizard but while also bringing heals and buffs and a slightly smaller exp penalty! And if there are undead? Shit. A cleric IS a wizard with heals and buffs at that point.

And even if people don't look at wizards as lame versions of every other caster like I do, 9% clerics is still a LOT less than 1 per group.

Tis the first time i've thought lesser of tecmos

[Vexenu]

I would bet at least 1/4 people playing hybrids or melees will reroll a Mage, Necro or Druid before they hit 20, once the reality of grinding XP with terrible gear hits them smack in the face. If you're dead set on a tank I wouldn't be worried about not finding groups due to a high tank population. Because not everyone who starts one is actually going to level it up. Many will fall off along the way.

[Cen]

40% / 6 doesn't equal 3-4.5% ya dirty lying woodsman. Even if you were in a group with 5 troll shadowknights, a ranger's penalty still is a 4.2% ding on their exp, to say nothing of adding a ranger to a group of int and wis casters!

Is group bonus not classic?

[Raclen]

Clerics are about 65% of a wizard without undead spells if you are just looking at damage/mana ratio. The efficiency gets even worse when you look at more resists from magic based spells in some cases and the 20% less damage per cast forcing you to cast more often and med less. Mobs that are not undead would probably bring a cleric down to about 60% of the DPS a wizard puts out.

However, 90% of the damage on undead is accurate and with all the other benefits makes wizards obsolete vs undead with available clerics.

[slowpoke68]

These poll results actually look fairly classic as I recall classic population being on Brell Serilis server in 1999.

One difference would be a lot less enchanters and a lot more monks. I actually remember chanters being kind of rare, it was kind of a treat when you got one in your group.

On a side note, it will be interesting to see how many people stick with chanter when they don't have +55 hp rings from level 1 and tab cycle targeting. I remember chanters dropping really fast when they drew aggro.

[Tecmos Deception]

Clerics are about 65% of a wizard without undead spells if you are just looking at damage/mana ratio.

At 50 maybe. It's not that much of a difference at lower levels, as I indicated.

Is group bonus not classic?

I think there is a small exp bonus for grouping. Like, a couple percent per party member or something. But I don't believe it works in a way that has more than a truly minimal effect. For example, 110 exp for a kill divided 5 ways (assuming 0% exp penalties for everyone) vs. 112 exp for a kill divided 6 ways.

[ldgo86]

If this poll has any accuracy at all, tanks are going to be in high demand

[FatherSioux]

If this poll has any accuracy at all, tanks are going to be in high demand

Roughly 20% of the population according to this poll will be tanking. Seems perfect to me.

[Tecmos Deception]

If this poll has any accuracy at all, tanks are going to be in high demand

15% between the three real tanks. That's just about 1 in 6, which is of course the size of a full group.

Consider that other classes can get by as tanks too, with no melee you just use pets, and that mostly non-tanks will spend time soloing... and the proportion of tanks to groups will be fine.

[ldgo86]

Okay good points there. I wasn’t thinking classically enough haha.

[Gustoo]

1 in 6 exact amount for grouping.

Especially since druids and necros won't be grouping once they're through the nooblevels.

[Tecmos Deception]

I'm actually, surprisingly, having trouble picking my main.

I was all set to do cleric as a break from an enchanter main character (or ONLY character for the last like 4 years, really). I've played them before, they're great in groups and raids and even have legit solo in classic era, and you can squeeze more than a healbot out of them if you're not feeling lazy.

But then every time someone says something that is (to me) dumb about enchanters, it makes me want to play an enchanter to make the bad enchanters look bad.

But suddenly, randomly, I thought maybe I should try shaman, one of the few classes I never played in classic (on blue) or took to 60 after Kunark.



Hmmmmm.

Shaman has more exp/farm options cause I'd be evil, plus alchemy might entertain me. Cleric is more of a sure thing to be useful in raids or get into groups. Enchanter I'd feel absolutely no desire in trying to get a guise (shaman) or manastone (cleric) for, so that'd be a nice weight off my shoulders. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Sizar]

I was all set to do cleric as a break from an enchanter main character (or ONLY character for the last like 4 years, really).

But suddenly, randomly, I thought maybe I should try shaman, one of the few classes I never played in classic (on blue) or took to 60 after Kunark.


Now is a great time to go Shaman. I would pay a LOT of plat on blue for the chance to have my ugly Ogre Shaman get a guise. Personally I am going to wait for the off chance that I get a manastone before I make a cleric. I want to do the solo cleric path w/ manastone.

[Tecmos Deception]

Now is a great time to go Shaman. I would pay a LOT of plat on blue for the chance to have my ugly Ogre Shaman get a guise. Personally I am going to wait for the off chance that I get a manastone before I make a cleric. I want to do the solo cleric path w/ manastone.

Lol. I did the solo cleric thing with manastone and unnerfed donals on blue. I couldn't imagine fiddling around with that crap using a casted CH. It wouldn't be worth the effort instead of just taking longer med breaks and spending more time fully immersed in hulu.

I'd definitely pursue the guise with a shaman, though more for being able to be a little shrunk while outdoors than for the fashionquest. I actually enjoy being an ugly-ass female troll or ogre.

[mischief419]

Surprisingly rounded~ not bad

[oldhead]

15% between the three real tanks. That's just about 1 in 6, which is of course the size of a full group.

Consider that other classes can get by as tanks too, with no melee you just use pets, and that mostly non-tanks will spend time soloing... and the proportion of tanks to groups will be fine.

In my experience an even split of tanks will mean tanks will be in high demand. Typically need an overflow for smooth tank (or healer) finding

[Duerdac]

I played a Wizard in original EQ, always loved it (end of classic to pop).
However, this time I just want to play in a group and I'd rather not be passed over for some other classes and sit idle for hours, so I will probably roll a Cleric. From reading this thread, it seems Wizards aren't really appreciated...

On a side note, I always felt I carried my weight in groups with some timely burst, well placed stuns / interrupts, roots, evacs, but I understand that in a group other casters might be prefered for the comparable dps, and the vastly better utility toolset.

[Indecisive]

I played a Wizard in original EQ, always loved it (end of classic to pop).
However, this time I just want to play in a group and I'd rather not be passed over for some other classes and sit idle for hours, so I will probably roll a Cleric. From reading this thread, it seems Wizards aren't really appreciated...

On a side note, I always felt I carried my weight in groups with some timely burst, well placed stuns / interrupts, roots, evacs, but I understand that in a group other casters might be prefered for the comparable dps, and the vastly better utility toolset.

This is the best time ever to roll a Wizard if you want to group. Ultimately, that's where I'm headed. Was originally going to go Necro, but being without Iksar regen makes me want to cry.

Don't let people get you down about Wizards. There might be a stigma early on, but that will get ironed out when people realize chain pulling camps just isn't going to be a reality. The slower the kill speed of the group, the more Wizard DPS gets a chance to shine. And one nice little advantage is being able to keep your LFG tag up, so even if you're LFG in Guk, you can port over to Lavastorm and jump into a group in Sol A/B when that tell comes through without any hassle.

You'll get groups, don't worry about it.

[Copout]

In my experience an even split of tanks will mean tanks will be in high demand. Typically need an overflow for smooth tank (or healer) finding

If people take ranger tanks then there will be no problem.

[Baler]

only 23 human monks

[cd288]

This is the best time ever to roll a Wizard if you want to group. Ultimately, that's where I'm headed. Was originally going to go Necro, but being without Iksar regen makes me want to cry.

Don't let people get you down about Wizards. There might be a stigma early on, but that will get ironed out when people realize chain pulling camps just isn't going to be a reality. The slower the kill speed of the group, the more Wizard DPS gets a chance to shine. And one nice little advantage is being able to keep your LFG tag up, so even if you're LFG in Guk, you can port over to Lavastorm and jump into a group in Sol A/B when that tell comes through without any hassle.

You'll get groups, don't worry about it.

Isn't Sol A/B not in the game for several months? Or was it a revamp?

[Tecmos Deception]

Poll was pretty similar to my / all count i was doinf while waiting on decaying skele respawns for an hour at launch.

Druids and shamans were higher than poll shows (like I saw 250+ druids of 1850 ingame, and 210+ shams). Ranger was lower (only saw 61 of 1850).

Will be interesting to see when the "casuals" are all on later how it looks.

[Jibartik]

Well Im playing exactly what I said I would lol came close to swapping to shaman.

[Pilgrimzero]

So should I go Rogue or Ranger? Want something that will find groups easy