How does Dark Elf as a race stack up against alternatives?

[WaffleztheAndal]

For a mage in my case. Is ultra vision much of an upgrade over the other visions types on green? How valuable is the hide skill?

They pretty much have only innorruuk as a deity, the symbol items seem decent (clicks snare sounds pretty useful).

Stats wise they seem alright?

Being evil screws you over I imagine for town access.

[Deathrydar]

For a mage in my case. Is ultra vision much of an upgrade over the other visions types on green? How valuable is the hide skill?

They pretty much have only innorruuk as a deity, the symbol items seem decent (clicks snare sounds pretty useful).

Stats wise they seem alright?

Being evil screws you over I imagine for town access.

Ultravision is better than infravision. That's all I can really say. I wouldn't make it a deal breaker for a race choice.

The hide skill is cool, when it works, but isn't a deal breaker for a race choice.

Innoruuk is the one true god!

Is that a question about their stats, or is it a statement?

You won't be able to go into the majority of towns, but that just makes it that much better when you come back and farm their guards for plat!

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Excellent intelligence, great vision. Hide is meh since you get invisible anyway.

Everything else is gravy. The newbie zone is good, you can get pretty far without leaving it if so you wish. The vision is as good as it comes though.

[Deathrydar]

Hide is meh since you get invisible anyway.


Did he mention what class he is talking about? I didn't see that.

[Indecisive]

Did he mention what class he is talking about? I didn't see that.

Mage.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Did he mention what class he is talking about? I didn't see that.

Only in the first sentence :D

[Vexenu]

Mage benefits very little from Dark Elf racials. They can summon their own Ultravision item that goes in the ammo slot. And you can't use hide with a pet up, so it's mostly useless.

[magusfire24]

Dark elf corpses stack up on the ground just the same as any race I bet! LOL

Dark elfs are great though

[Chortles Snort|eS]

DE booty harD 2 pASS UP

[kjs86z]

gnome master race

[Crawdad]

For a mage in my case. Is ultra vision much of an upgrade over the other visions types on green? How valuable is the hide skill?

They pretty much have only innorruuk as a deity, the symbol items seem decent (clicks snare sounds pretty useful).

Stats wise they seem alright?

Being evil screws you over I imagine for town access.

Race really doesn't matter much for mage. Stats are all pretty close and wont matter at the end of the day, no notable racials outside of tinkering for gnomes. Ultravision might be nice after we see a "fixed"/stopping point in the developer's attempt at fixing nighttime. Being evil is almost never a real hindrance, if anything it just means you don't need to manage some factions and have additional hunting options.

Play whichever you enjoy looking at the most (Dark elf has near top-tier fashion).

[Crede]

For a mage in my case. Is ultra vision much of an upgrade over the other visions types on green? How valuable is the hide skill?

They pretty much have only innorruuk as a deity, the symbol items seem decent (clicks snare sounds pretty useful).

Stats wise they seem alright?

Being evil screws you over I imagine for town access.

Hide can be really valuable, depends on where you plan to hunt and if you are going to solo a lot. I would not have picked another race for my wizard, hide was so convenient for afk medding right in the middle of an area where mobs are passing through. May be a different case for mage if you plan to group mostly. But don't underestimate the convenience of hide, regular invis pales in comparison.

[Canelek]

Invisibility has a random duration timer. Hide has no timer. It is a pretty damn nice skill to have. It works ~40% of the time, and you can see if it is successful simply by conning a mob. It's cool down is reasonable enough to re-try in the event of failure.

[Deathrydar]

But, keep in mind, as a magician, if you hide when your pet is summoned, it will destroy the pet.

[Kendir]

Dark elves are feared by every other race. Why? Because they are the best.
Best vision.
Best at hiding.
Best looking.
Best skin tone.
Best god.
Best.

[Damarous]

gnome master race

Gotta make sure this is seen. Gnome race best race. /endthread

[cd288]

For Mages, since INT is really the only consideration, DEs are totally fine compared to other races. Sure, you get some QoL with the good/neutral races, Gnomes can tinker, etc., but nothing really material IMO. All the races except Human are pretty close to each other in starting INT, so you can't go wrong picking a DE (as opposed to a class like Enchanter where you need high CHA and then also kind of have to worry about INT, so DEs are not as good of a choice...although still not a terrible one for an Ench either).

[Verityn]

At level 29 a magician can summon an item that casts ultravision.

[mr_jon3s]

Gnome for being able to look through walls.

[Argh]

Yeah, gnomes for wallvision and sending eyes to zone-in without needing shrink pots is probably the best racial advantage for mages, but being able to see is also nice.

[GinnasP99]

the symbol items seem decent (clicks snare sounds pretty useful).

It's shaman/cleric only

[Dulu]

No racial matters on a PvE server.

Teams PvP pls

[BlackBellamy]

Ultravision means you will be looking at stuff and it will be blue a lot. This will make you sad and miss Neriak. Infravision will tint everything red. This will make you angry and punch walls in Oggok. If you're really down to minmax, you gotta put your feelings first!

[Issar]

gnome master race

You can "gnome master race" all you want, but you know that all changes when Kunark launches. It's all scales and tails, boys... scales and tails.


For the OP: As indicated above, the Innoruuk symbols are only available to shaman and clerics. Mage snare would be sweet though :)

[DMN]

You can "gnome master race" all you want, but you know that all changes when Kunark launches. It's all scales and tails, boys... scales and tails.


them iksar mages are the shiet.

[Tethler]

DE looks the best and has the coolest looking city. Gnomes can see through walls, and once they get CotH in Kunark, can summon from zonein without needing shrink.

If you can level fast, roll gnome and get a guise from guk before nerf and you can be both. (assuming green character, if blue, out of luck)

[Izmael]

The only thing that matter in Everquests is the looks.

DE has them.

[flacidpenguin]

Best Elves are Best Race. And they are blue. All other races are inferior because they are not Best Elves.

[Nagoya]

You'll loot a Guise like everyone else and end up a Dark Elf anyway, no?

But as most have said, race is not important for Magicians, all available races can do it. So choose your favorite FashionQuest is my advice.

As a former Halfling Druid tho, I'll say that racial Hide is nice. Safest AFK tool after FD. But it's just that, nice. No deal or break there. For example, if I start a druid on Green it would be Human.

Good luck!

[Bebo]

You will do well as a Mage DE and Neriak is well placed. You have nektulos forest, EC, Befallen, Lava Storm, Najena, Sol A and Sol B, Kithikor, HHP, HHK nearby. Also later you can go to Guk and use Grobb as a base....Feerott can also be used as a base for Cazic Thule, Fear, Mountains Of Rathe for HG...Fear is def a lot later since it will not be out right away but yea...DE is very doable

[nyclin]

Gnome 100% -- wall-peek without using shrink pots, mostly neutral starting faction, good starting stats, good newbie area, and access to tinkering.

Racial hide is nice for emergency AFKs, but why roll a char based on not playing it? The only time I could see this being really useful is if you're a new parent or if you're a caregiver for someone. At that point you're probably going to need emergency AFKs frequently for at least a couple years, so this could be considered a legitimate benefit.

Mages can summon Infravision items starting at 16, then Ultravision at 29 so having racial UV is basically useless.

[Cen]

I have a lot to say about min maxing races to certain classes.

Its my opinion that when it comes to Dark Elves, they only have one class which I believe they are the best race for: Wizards.

Here are my opinions on DE Min maxing:

Cleric: On blue, Dark elves may even be the best Cleric. When it comes to Cleric races, you are balancing Ultravision, Hide, Sneak, Robe races versus item clickies for diety. Dark Elf clerics are granted Hide, Ultravision, robes, and the best item clicky necklace. They lose out on Sneak, other item clickies that humans get in abundance, and have the worst faction. When it comes to judging races on its ability to wear robes as a plus, the cleric is the most important, since among non INT casters, they can wear the most of those. The stat aggregate is not the best. Clerics can't use Ultravision as a spell so its valuable to them.

Enchanter: Dark Elves make the top 3 enchanters along with Erudites and High Elves. Erudites have the best stat aggregate. However, before Kunark, or without a goblin ring, Hide is extremely powerful on an enchanter for Charm breaking. Outside of Hide and stats, no races are any different.

Magician: Dark Elves aren't notably better Mages then other races. Hide is most useless for the Mage class, being detrimental to the usage of pets. Only useful for medding without a pet. At least can choose Agnostic for less than bad faction in the world. Not bad, but basically the same as others!

Necromancer: Same as Magician. Must choose Innoruuk. Not bad, but basically the same as others. They pale gravely to Iksar's though. Gravely in the bad way.

Rogue: Dark Elves only grant early Ultravision to the Rogue class, and barely that. The stats aren't ideal, and all other Rogue races have access to the Mask of Deception, making choosing a Dark Elf as your base race pointless.

Shadow Knight: Dark Elves are really cool looking Shadow Knights, which is a shame, because they are absolutely the worst choice. All of the special abilities granted from being a Dark Elf the Shadow Knight already gets in their class kit like Hide or UV. The stats, lack of Slam, Regen, Frontal Stun immunity, or better faction offered by all other races makes it the worst choice. The only min max here is the fashion.

Warrior: Dark Elf warriors are close to the worst as well. Hide is useful on a warrior to a tiny extent, but the stats are awful.

Wizard: Hide is actually mildly useful on Wizards, who don't have a pet dying to get in the way of it. You trade just being shy of the best stat aggregate for Hide, which is worth it! Since DE's can choose Solusek Ro just like all the other races, which is even better for faction than Agnostic, and very little other makes any difference between the various Wizard races, I consider it the best race for a Wizard, and the best class for a Dark Elf!

[Master Roshi]

gnome with guise is my vote, mage doesn't need/want hide.

[Izmael]

Hide on a mage can be very useful to go AFK in places with KoS mobs who don't see invis. Low level dungeons such as Nurga/Droga, for example. Hide works as an infiite-duration invis that will only be broken if you're unlucky enough to have someone aggro a caster who will cast an AE nuke in range to you.

[Aaramis]

Magician: Dark Elves aren't notably better Mages then other races. Hide is most useless for the Mage class, being detrimental to the usage of pets. Only useful for medding without a pet. At least can choose Agnostic for less than bad faction in the world. Not bad, but basically the same as others!

Semi-new to pet classes, but would a See Invis on your pet not allow you to Hide and not lose the pet, since it can still see you?

[Shaniril]

Agnostic Dark Elves can get into a surprising number of towns if you don't turn in your noobie letter for a robe (though there's some spots in said towns that will KoS so keep an eye out) and even a DE Shadow Knight can use most of the towns on Antonica and Odus with a bit of faction work (Halas is a royal pain though and most of them will always hate you regardless).

[Hagglebaron]

Agnostic Dark Elves can get into a surprising number of towns if you don't turn in your noobie letter for a robe (though there's some spots in said towns that will KoS so keep an eye out) and even a DE Shadow Knight can use most of the towns on Antonica and Odus with a bit of faction work (Halas is a royal pain though and most of them will always hate you regardless).

What is lost by not following Innorruuk as a DE mage? Anything?

[Cen]

Semi-new to pet classes, but would a See Invis on your pet not allow you to Hide and not lose the pet, since it can still see you?

Nope. Invis spells kill the pet through an automatic means, whether or not it can see you. It doesn't even matter the *type* of invis. Its a mechanic.

[Aaramis]

Nope. Invis spells kill the pet through an automatic means, whether or not it can see you. It doesn't even matter the *type* of invis. Its a mechanic.

Well that's just silly!

[Jimjam]

Well that's just silly!

You're in our world now *BIG SNIFF*.

[Baler]

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