Delay the launch...

[Swyftfingers]

I think there's too many bugs. Wouldn't hurt to let us beta testers hash out a few more bugs for a couple more weeks. If it's all about that true classic p99 museum experience, there's too many bugs to achieve that outcome. Just my 2 cents.

[Baler]

No

The staff have said it won't be delayed.

The next green server will be even more classic,. in 3-5 years.

[zodium]

buddy the beta test was ten years

edit: but we're gonna make green 2 even classicier baby, awooooo

[Swyftfingers]

Ten years, and my heat stone that is no rent persists while offline for 24 hours

[zodium]

Ten years, and my heat stone that is no rent persists while offline for 24 hours

weird, i don't see a bug report from you about that??

[Swyftfingers]

Just saw it logging in

[Baler]

weird, i don't see a bug report from you about that??

gottem :D

[Albanwr]

Ten years, and my heat stone that is no rent persists while offline for 24 hours

wow scrap the project, this is too game breaking to continue!

[Swyftfingers]

wow scrap the project, this is too game breaking to continue!

Take one look at the green bug report forum - Plenty of game breaking in there.

[Baler]

wow scrap the project, this is too game breaking to continue!

[zodium]

ayy this guy just reported it tho

last night on the beta, my daniels and i got punched by REGIS THE REVERENT as we made the trek across WK and as we strafed for the zoneline in abject terror, we realize: shits not vanilla

just reported it

[Swyftfingers]

New patches every few days...Everything must be fine.

[Baler]

OP has never heard of a Beta phase, maybe they can relate.

[Swyftfingers]

OP was about delaying the launch so the Beta phase has enough time to do it's job.

[zodium]

OP was about delaying the launch so the Beta phase has enough time to do it's job.

the beta phase was ten years long, a few weeks aren't going to make a difference

[Baler]

OP is referring to himself in the third person.
https://i.imgur.com/HidBMJ4.gif

[BlankDiploma]

Guarantee you if the launch was delayed two weeks, this exact thread would be made again in two weeks by somebody else.

[Swyftfingers]

Green server was around for 10 years? I think you've mistaken blue server for green beta, sir.

[zodium]

Green server was around for 10 years? I think you've mistaken blue server for green beta, sir.

penny in the air

[Baler]

Green server was around for 10 years? I think you've mistaken blue server for green beta, sir.

Blue = Beta

https://i.imgur.com/7d1PCxH.gif

[Swyftfingers]

Imagine a 10 year long beta test...and we still can't get heat stones to work right.

[Baler]

I like getting post count.

Whats this thread about?

oh the 10 year beta test that was p99 blue

https://i.imgur.com/pqTnB8c.png

[Swyftfingers]

Beta
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/692/19789999.jpg

[Baler]

Beta
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/692/19789999.jpg

Not even close but maybe your next reply won't fail.

https://i.imgur.com/YRQShEY.png

[zodium]

tbf he's not wrong, for practical purposes the blue beta seems to have largely consisted of the players and staff calling each other terrible nerds while themselves being terrible nerds, with a lot of the bug reporting coming from spite driven burnouts motivated by a desire to troll other players via selectively reporting negative-qol problems. unsurprisingly, there really is a ton of actual bugs left.

i'm gonna allow this but blue was still the beta

[Swyftfingers]

No one likes a rushed development - No one likes a delayed launch either. But Green server is widely anticipated and expectations are high...There's no going back if the launch is bug ridden, and people are disappointed - It risks killing the vibe. It will only add to the anticipation, and the final product will be a better release. What's another week or two? Think people will say, "F*** this! I'm not playing because they delayed it!"? I think not.

[zodium]

No one likes a rushed development - No one likes a delayed launch either. But Green server is widely anticipated and expectations are high...There's no going back if the launch is bug ridden, and people are disappointed - It risks killing the vibe. It will only add to the anticipation, and the final product will be a better release. What's another week or two? Think people will say, "F*** this! I'm not playing because they delayed it!"? I think not.

green 2 will be even more classic than green 1, just don't stop reporting bugs

[Baler]

https://i.imgur.com/kZ4pO1C.gif

Troll thread

[Swyftfingers]

I'd rather a better finished product than a sooner release date, personally. If P99 is an attempt at recreating the original Everquest, why not give the devs a bit more time to make the experience more nostalgic and enjoyable.

[Argh]

And you think people are going to quit if there's some bugs at launch? It's unavoidable.

[zodium]

I'd rather a better finished product than a sooner release date, personally. If P99 is an attempt at recreating the original Everquest, why not give the devs a bit more time to make the experience more nostalgic and enjoyable.

just wait for green 2 in 3-4 years

[Swyftfingers]

What's the point of Green server? To farm manastones? If that's the case, just give everyone a damn manastone and call it a day. I'm here for the nostalgia. We're really close. Seems like everyone is just dying to get in so they can /list. I can't see any other reason why anyone would be against pushing the release back to improve quality...

[BlankDiploma]

I don't think delaying green is enough, I think we should also take Blue offline because of all the bugs.

Don't bring it back until classic stamina is implemented and boat levitation is no longer needed. People aren't actually having fun on blue, they must be confused. Truly, this cannot stand.

[Swyftfingers]

Sarcastic neckbeards. Reminds me why I don't post on these forums. Back to testing. Goodnight.

[Canelek]

Your nostalgia is an edge case though.

[zodium]

What's the point of Green server? To farm manastones? If that's the case, just give everyone a damn manastone and call it a day. I'm here for the nostalgia. We're really close. Seems like everyone is just dying to get in so they can /list.

actually this guy totally gets it, i like him now, voted 55555

[Canelek]

And throwing a 'neckbeard' comment is just lazy. You do realize that by taking offense to Project 1999 happenings is likely more akin to your own definition of 'neckbeard' than actual 'neckbeardy' characteristics?

[Daliant17447]

yes instead of bread and milk can we get guise and manastone at character creation?

[BlankDiploma]

And throwing a 'neckbeard' comment is just lazy. You do realize that by taking offense to Project 1999 happenings is likely more akin to your own definition of 'neckbeard' than actual 'neckbeardy' characteristics?

can you imagine trying to pull the "at least I'm not a nerd like you guys" card in a classic everquest private server forum

[Swyftfingers]

https://i.imgur.com/wCoGElR.png

[Baler]

yes instead of bread and milk can we get guise and manastone at character creation?

https://i.imgur.com/iBd458n.gif

[Canelek]

can you imagine trying to pull the "at least I'm not a nerd like you guys" card in a classic everquest private server forum


That's the Edge Card; employed most often by the 8===1337====D

[Swyftfingers]

You're nearly twice the nerd I am.

[tripbunny]

Will the loot boxes be implemented in time?

[Baler]

Will the loot boxes be implemented in time?

WTB exp booster :p

[tripbunny]

WTB exp booster :p

Are there going to be any purchasable skins?

[El-Hefe]

I DEMAND XP POTS!

[Ashenden]

I don't think delaying green is enough, I think we should also take Blue offline because of all the bugs.

Don't bring it back until classic stamina is implemented and boat levitation is no longer needed. People aren't actually having fun on blue, they must be confused. Truly, this cannot stand.

How is this stupid argument so pervasive in the Green Discussion threads.

[zodium]

delay green until we figure out how to simulate my mom telling me to get off the computer because i've really been playing computers long enough now

[Swish]

I hope Chardok AOE is banned from Kunark launch.

[Canelek]

delay green until we figure out how to simulate my mom telling me to get off the computer because i've really been playing computers long enough now

http://i.imgur.com/Py5L9J9.png (https://imgur.com/Py5L9J9)

[Jimjam]

delay green until we figure out how to simulate my mom telling me to get off the computer because i've really been playing computers long enough now

Get a wife that cares about your wellbeing.

If you make a kid its a fair simulation of annoying younger sibling.

[Sinistria]

No kids
no wife
just my cellar
tons of pre cooked food
a sock
an 1 week of EQ.

[Jimjam]

No kids
no wife
just my cellar
tons of pre cooked food
a sock
an 1 week of EQ.

Everyone please remember to PM Sinistria reminders to go to school, give his little brother a turn on the computer and go to bed to ensure classic experience emulated.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

What's the point of Green server? To farm manastones? If that's the case, just give everyone a damn manastone and call it a day. I'm here for the nostalgia. We're really close. Seems like everyone is just dying to get in so they can /list. I can't see any other reason why anyone would be against pushing the release back to improve quality...

So new players can start in a new economy where starting a tradeskill themselves is an exciting prospect. On blue why bother? So many are already grandmasters of all tradeskills.

Why bother camping a weapon when you can buy it for cheap in EC. Why bother researching when everyone sells copies of what you need. Why bother grouping when the twinked stuff you bought last week for your new character already made you borderline indestructable.

Why worry about dying when the warrior in the group has a 60 epiced cleric parked at the zone.

Green is about danger and achivement being put back. Blue is great fun but its hard to really work hard when you know there is a much easier way 1 cheap purchase away.

I know some guilds rules state "no shortcuts" etc but its easy to leave a guild and screw it all to advance much quicker. On green its hard mode with no shortcuts.

[commongood]

So new players can start in a new economy where starting a tradeskill themselves is an exciting prospect. On blue why bother? So many are already grandmasters of all tradeskills.

Why bother camping a weapon when you can buy it for cheap in EC. Why bother researching when everyone sells copies of what you need. Why bother grouping when the twinked stuff you bought last week for your new character already made you borderline indestructable.

Why worry about dying when the warrior in the group has a 60 epiced cleric parked at the zone.

Green is about danger and achivement being put back. Blue is great fun but its hard to really work hard when you know there is a much easier way 1 cheap purchase away.

I know some guilds rules state "no shortcuts" etc but its easy to leave a guild and screw it all to advance much quicker. On green its hard mode with no shortcuts.

But then again what's the point? In, what, three years the server will be gobbled up into blue and you will either have to start over again on a new green server with a similar short life span and do that potentially ad infinitum or keep playing your hithero green char on blue where everyone has 5 level 60s with epic and all that.

I personally don't get the appeal of starting over on green as it will eventually just end up on blue but that is just me. Respect for those aching to kill orcs with rusty short swords and only get 25% of their spells while leveling etc :)

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

But then again what's the point? In, what, three years the server will be gobbled up into blue and you will either have to start over again on a new green server with a similar short life span and do that potentially ad infinitum or keep playing your hithero green char on blue where everyone has 5 level 60s with epic and all that.

I personally don't get the appeal of starting over on green as it will eventually just end up on blue but that is just me. Respect for those aching to kill orcs with rusty short swords and only get 25% of their spells while leveling etc :)

Three years is SO LONG. These days with modern next gen games with hours of playing it a day your lucky to get three WEEKS.

I cant fathom what i will be doing in three years. And if green does merge into blue in 3 years you will be the same level and progression basically as the people on blue. I dont see the problem.

Three years guys. My daughter is 8 now, in three years she will be in big school and likely embarassed to know me.

[Sinistria]

Because of this feeling when you are in lowbe zones:

[Fammaden]

But then again what's the point? In, what, three years the server will be gobbled up into blue and you will either have to start over again on a new green server with a similar short life span and do that potentially ad infinitum or keep playing your hithero green char on blue where everyone has 5 level 60s with epic and all that.

I personally don't get the appeal of starting over on green as it will eventually just end up on blue but that is just me. Respect for those aching to kill orcs with rusty short swords and only get 25% of their spells while leveling etc :)

Over three years isn't that "short" of a lifespan. In case you haven't noticed, P99 blue has pretty significant "churn", player turnover and attrition. The people you play with on blue will largely have quit and been replaced more than once by the time green recycles. Some will stay, some will leave and come back once or more, some will never come back.

What's more relevant to me is how can I care about farming NToV or trying to get a primal, or BiS loot in general...for a server that is never going past velious. Back in era the guilds in NToV and Sleepers knew an expansion was coming and they wanted to be best positioned to defeat it with their Velious gear. Here its a neverending farm status server. It can be fun but ultimately there's no where left to go.

As much as people get fixated on raid gear, BiS loot, being level 60 and killing stuff with your guild (and all those things are fun and tend to be what I end up doing too) the real game in EQ or any MMO has always been your character's little rags to riches path. This plays out better in the forced reset of green than it can in the inflated environment developed on blue.

[Sinistria]

Three years guys. My daughter is 8 now, in three years she will be in big school and likely embarassed to know me.

:D:D:D

3 years ago i got married, i am already divorced now.

So no need to think 3 years ahead.

[Tecmos Deception]

Take one look at the green bug report forum - Plenty of game breaking in there.

Classic.

[curtischoy]

I agree with you OP.
Green beta (not blue, but the actual green beta server up right now) should have had a longer timeline. All in all however I don't think either way it will make a big difference.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

I have not encountered any game breaking bugs throughout my thorough testing
False alarm

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

How about you simulate a longer beta by not playing for 3-6 weeks and log in then ;)

[Deathrydar]

How about you simulate a longer beta by not playing for 3-6 weeks and log in then ;)

pwned

[bubur]

it won't be delayed and that's sumthing you can put money on, nilgean/rogbog don't play like that

Now, besides your heatstone not disappearing and some pathing issues that honestly have been around in some form for all of blue, what's so game breaking? Tbh everything I see in the green bugs can be worked on after launch with little consequence

It's never going to be perfect, op

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I saw the piranah in Nek forest swimming OVER the bridge. I was so happy for them, getting out and meeting new people. Sometimes bugs are happy little accidents as Bob Ross would put it :)

[Deathrydar]

I saw the piranah in Nek forest swimming OVER the bridge. I was so happy for them, getting out and meeting new people. Sometimes bugs are happy little accidents as Bob Ross would put it :)

I see this and laugh my ass off as it is classic as hell! I am, however, curious as to if they will aggro me if I run by them while they are floating over the bridge.

[magusfire24]

Walking fish are classic! Funniest thing I saw one time was a druid in LOIO charmed a fish and owned Sarnaks on land with it . LOL

[Sinistria]

I see this and laugh my ass off as it is classic as hell! I am, however, curious as to if they will aggro me if I run by them while they are floating over the bridge.

Yeah, i saw them too. GREAT.

But:
No aggro, i tried to get them killed by guards but it did not work.

[Deathrydar]

Yeah, i saw them too. GREAT.

But:
No aggro, i tried to get them killed by guards but it did not work.

Thank you. That was my final mystery in this game. I guess I win at EQ?

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I see this and laugh my ass off as it is classic as hell! I am, however, curious as to if they will aggro me if I run by them while they are floating over the bridge.

They dont. I tried attacking them too with my pet. My pet just followed them and tried to dive in.

[whitebandit]

the only answer here is to delay green until the Towers are rebuilt.

[Jadian]

Let's be real here, nobody is motivated by anything in everquest except extreme self interest. This guy didn't get his time off approved for next week, so he wants to punish everyone who did get the chance he didn't get.

/thread

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I got next week off work by happy accident :D School holidays. Looked at calender and saw green is out this week. I love it when a plan comes together.

[Indicas]

Guarantee you if the launch was delayed two weeks, this exact thread would be made again in two weeks by somebody else.
i agree this sounds like a ditch effort to stop green from happening because blue is going to die. im glad i never got terribly vested on that server because i started when velious was already out, looking forward to green so i can start at an even playing field.

[Sinistria]

Let's be real here, nobody is motivated by anything in everquest except extreme self interest. This guy didn't get his time off approved for next week, so he wants to punish everyone who did get the chance he didn't get.

/thread

[magusfire24]

https://imgur.com/bLMbpiB

[Tenlaar]

I feel like anybody who isn't at least a little bit concerned after some of the stuff that's popped up on the green beta in the last week is only worried about being able to play right now and not whether the server is really ready.

[Deathrydar]

I feel like anybody who isn't at least a little bit concerned after some of the stuff that's popped up on the green beta in the last week is only worried about being able to play right now and not whether the server is really ready.

I acknowledge the issues that exist, but I also know that they will fix them as soon as they can so I don't worry about it.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I feel like anybody who isn't at least a little bit concerned after some of the stuff that's popped up on the green beta in the last week is only worried about being able to play right now and not whether the server is really ready.

You mean like when they launched Luclin and guilds got a vex thall key and went to use the key and OOPS found vex thall hadnt been finished yet.

Bugs pale in comparison to that :D

A gm literally told a guild on my server "yeah...we didnt think people would get keys so fast"

[Fammaden]

I feel like anybody who isn't at least a little bit concerned after some of the stuff that's popped up on the green beta in the last week is only worried about being able to play right now and not whether the server is really ready.

What are your top five primary concerns? Asking seriously, I casually browse the green bug forums but I'm not hammering away heavily at beta personally.

[DMN]

What are your top five primary concerns? Asking seriously, I casually browse the green bug forums but I'm not hammering away heavily at beta personally.

Just a couple days ago people were dinging 51 on green. imagine if everyone was like you and didn't put the time in on beta befor launch? Never would have found that. Worse, the vast majority of people 35+ on the server right now are people just looking for exploits to abuse on green instead of bugs to fix before green launches.

[cd288]

What are your top five primary concerns? Asking seriously, I casually browse the green bug forums but I'm not hammering away heavily at beta personally.

I would also like to see a list of major concerns. The people hitting level 51 doesn't really bother me, since that's a very easy fix to make for Friday.

[Indicas]

I'd rather a better finished product than a sooner release date, personally. If P99 is an attempt at recreating the original Everquest, why not give the devs a bit more time to make the experience more nostalgic and enjoyable.

nobody really cares what you think if you haven't been reading, you're the only one fighting for this.

[DMN]

I would also like to see a list of major concerns. The people hitting level 51 doesn't really bother me, since that's a very easy fix to make for Friday.

The point is if something that major is in days before launch, it's indicative of many other potentially huge bugs/exploits. If that doesn't bother you, then nothing would.

[bubur]

Worse, the vast majority of people 35+ on the server right now are people just looking for exploits to abuse on green instead of bugs to fix before green launches.

who are you on beta to come to this conclusion?

as a lv 50 in the biggest guild frequently exploring and helping people and testing things, i seem to be experiencing a different reality than you

also edit:

The point is if something that major is in days before launch, it's indicative of many other potentially huge bugs/exploits. If that doesn't bother you, then nothing would.

what major things are still in? the lv 51 thing you mentioned is patched. the drops are fixed. what potentially huge bugs/exploits are left?

[Fammaden]

The point is if something that major is in days before launch, it's indicative of many other potentially huge bugs/exploits. If that doesn't bother you, then nothing would.

Oh, I see, you're hoping to find a major exploit you can keep hidden and use for personal gain, but you haven't hit on one yet so you need more time?

[Deathrydar]

JWorse, the vast majority of people 35+ on the server right now are people just looking for exploits to abuse on green instead of bugs to fix before green launches.

I have not played with, or seen these players that you speak of.

[cd288]

The point is if something that major is in days before launch, it's indicative of many other potentially huge bugs/exploits. If that doesn't bother you, then nothing would.

I mean, no it's not. That's pure speculation. And in a conversation about whether or not to delay a server launch, the issues should be listed. Not some vague "oh well this one issue exists which means there 100% HAS to be other major issues going on."

I'm asking what the issues people have seen are. Not sure why it's bad to ask for a list of those. If there are so many significant issues that we need to delay a launch, I would imagine they'd be known and people could list them.

[bubur]

I think there's too many bugs.

Plenty of game breaking in there.

There's no going back if the launch is bug ridden

people 35+ on the server right now are people just looking for exploits to abuse

many other potentially huge bugs/exploits

We gonna have to start being more specific here folks. What are the actual game-breaking concerns that you have? It's a good time to discuss them in a realistic way.

impeachment is a dirty word

[DMN]

I mean, no it's not. That's pure speculation. And in a conversation about whether or not to delay a server launch, the issues should be listed. Not some vague "oh well this one issue exists which means there 100% HAS to be other major issues going on."

I'm asking what the issues people have seen are. Not sure why it's bad to ask for a list of those. If there are so many significant issues that we need to delay a launch, I would imagine they'd be known and people could list them.

Well, I had a character last night who was permanently snared to nearly crawl speeds. Different character/different place would have been a death sentence. And you need to look up the definition of potential, thanks. A rat in my French fries at mcdolalds might not be proof of a pest control problem, but it's pretty god damn likely.

[bubur]

Well, I had a character last night who was permanently snared to nearly crawl speeds.

wheres the report in the bug forums? the screenshots?

and i assume you want more time so you can walk around the beta and be a similarly productive beta tester for what, a couple more weeks?

move to resolved, c u friday

[DMN]

wheres the report in the bug forums? the screenshots?

and i assume you want more time so you can walk around the beta and be a similarly productive beta tester for what, a couple more weeks?

move to resolved, c u friday

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337366

[Deathrydar]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337366

Poor example if you read Sunderfury's response bro!

[DMN]

Poor example if you read Sunderfury's response bro!

try again after some improved reading comprhension. He's still not sure about the snare issue, which is by far the more problematic issue.

[Raekwondo Erudson]

I think there's too many bugs. Wouldn't hurt to let us beta testers hash out a few more bugs for a couple more weeks. If it's all about that true classic p99 museum experience, there's too many bugs to achieve that outcome. Just my 2 cents.

Silence yourself, small-skulled heathen. You may plead to any and to all of the false Gods for a reprieve, but you will not escape the rising tides in the oceans of Prexuz. Your day of reckoning is forthcoming as the Dark Men of Odus will bend Norrath to their will, it is known. Will you stand bravely and accept your fate as it was written? Or will you continue to cower in the face of your impending doom?

Glory to Father Erud. Praise be to Prexuz.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I've had that on blue. Camping seemed to solve.

[Deathrydar]

try again after some improved reading comprhension. He's still not sure about the snare issue, which is by far the more problematic issue.

Yeah. He seems real concerned about it.

[bubur]

try again after some improved reading comprhension.

Known issue...
...Not unique to green bug, so moving.

move 2 blue

[Fammaden]

Shut down blue until they can fix this please.

[cd288]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337366

10 minutes before you posted that a Guide responded that this isn't just a Green bug. I also seem to remember this being something that could happen back on live. Even if it was limited to Green only, this certainly doesn't seem like a rampant "major" issue that warrants delaying the launch.

I'm sure there will be bugs here and there. Sometimes, said bugs may unfortunately result in a character getting killed. Hopefully those bugs will eventually be resolved. However, IMO they should only delay the launch if we're talking about multiple major bugs that essentially cause the game to be unplayable or are otherwise just ridiculous (such as people being able to hit level 51).

[Deathrydar]

Shut down blue until they can fix this please.

[cd288]

Silence yourself, small-skulled heathen. You may plead to any and to all of the false Gods for a reprieve, but you will not escape the rising tides in the oceans of Prexuz. Your day of reckoning is forthcoming as the Dark Men of Odus will bend Norrath to their will, it is known. Will you stand bravely and accept your fate as it was written? Or will you continue to cower in the face of your impending doom?

Glory to Father Erud. Praise be to Prexuz.

Isn't it blasphemy not to spell Prexus's name correctly?

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

try again after some improved reading comprhension. He's still not sure about the snare issue, which is by far the more problematic issue.

As someone who works for a software company I can honestly say if we investigated every occurrence of something which happened ONCE to someone we would never get anything done.

If it's reproducible absolutley. Or happening to multiple people then yes. One isolated case been reported? No.

[DMN]

10 minutes before you posted that a Guide responded that this isn't just a Green bug. I also seem to remember this being something that could happen back on live. Even if it was limited to Green only, this certainly doesn't seem like a rampant "major" issue that warrants delaying the launch.

I'm sure there will be bugs here and there. Sometimes, said bugs may unfortunately result in a character getting killed. Hopefully those bugs will eventually be resolved. However, IMO they should only delay the launch if we're talking about multiple major bugs that essentially cause the game to be unplayable or are otherwise just ridiculous (such as people being able to hit level 51).

Who knows maybe when have tons of people zoning from one place to another, this bug might become more problematic. Besides, you have any proof your issue was the same as mine, in effect or cause?

[bubur]

congrats on being the most quoted guy in the last couple weeks

i think you struck a nerve dmn and for that i applaud you

[dussle27]

Isn't it blasphemy not to spell Prexus's name correctly?

[larper99]

Having been a SW engineer for over 30 years, I can tell you there are two major syndromes when it comes to a new release:

1) Releasing too early, rationalizing major bug into minor problems. Crossing our fingers and hoping that the users don't find that use case you know about (they always find it in 5 minutes while it took your testers and dev team 4 months to run into it). The need for revenue outweighs the anger of the end users.

2) Waiting for perfection. Each bug that has a workaround is rated as a major issue. Aesthetic issues are sweated over because the developer has been staring at the same glitch for weeks but in reality users will never see it because it's usually on screen for 5 seconds. The desire to please everyone outweighs everything else.

Both are bad.

Problem number 1 results in angry users and a bad reputation. But it can be overcome if patches are forthcoming and actually solve problems. Devs are usually motivated to solve the problems once the pressure of release is behind them.

Problem number 2 results in demoralized developers who, faced with the impossible task of creating perfection, simply walk away to find a new project. People need goals that are attainable, even if they at first seem impossible. And they need the rewards of their efforts. People actually using their software is that reward.

[Fammaden]

Please delay green because "WHAT IF?!?!?!?"

[cd288]

Who knows maybe when have tons of people zoning from one place to another, this bug might become more problematic. Besides, you have any proof your issue was the same as mine, in effect or cause?

As another commenter has said, provide proof that this is a rampant issue affecting a bunch of people. Again, multiple people have requested a list of major frequent issues that would justify delaying the launch and you've provided two issues; one which is already fixed and another which is a minor issue that has only affected you thus far (and half of that issue exists on Blue today and it's fine).

If you think the launch needs to be delayed, provide those issues to support your argument.

[larper99]

Please delay green because "WHAT IF?!?!?!?"
Exactly. It might not be perfect, so don't release. Bad bad bad.

The Green team set a goal, release on Oct 25th. Release and move on. If they put it off, they will please N users and anger M users, all while demoralizing themselves. Demoralized devs are definitely not a good thing. So, the question is, is N<M or is N>M? I have a sneaking suspicion that N is much smaller than M.

[DMN]

Exactly. It might not be perfect, so don't release. Bad bad bad.

The Green team set a goal, release on Oct 25th. Release and move on. If they put it off, they will please N users and anger M users, all while demoralizing themselves. Demoralized devs are definitely not a good thing. So, the question is, is N<M or is N>M? I have a sneaking suspicion that N is much smaller than M.

it's seems your variables are way too simplistic. How upset will the users be when a bunch of exploits/bugs are used to permanently warp the landscape of green server's lifespan? what's worse, being upset for a week or two for something you are getting FOR FREE, or bug/exploit that ticks off everyone else for the remaining 3 or so years of greens lifespan.

[Kapyong]

Gday all,
I had something odd happen in Green Beta, I figured it was just me stuffing up somehow, but it's just possible it could be a bug I suppose.

I checked the bug report forum, and did not see any mention of this. I have not reported it, but I thought I'd mention it here just in case it HAS happened to someone else.

Primary Weapon DISAPPEARED for unknown reason.

I logged in yesterday and my powerful primary weapon was missing from my hand. It was not anywhere in my inventory. My other hand still had my lightstone, all other items were still present. I had logged out safely, not died.

Before it went missing I had not being fighting much - just exploring, traveling, chatting and buffing. So I don't really know how and when it disappeared.

It's remotely possible it was a bug - if this has happened to anyone else, then we should probably report it...

Kapyong

[larper99]

it's seems your variables are way too simplistic. How upset will the users be when a bunch of exploits/bugs are used to permanently warp the landscape of green server's lifespan? what's worse, being upset for a week or two for something you are getting FOR FREE, or bug/exploit that ticks off everyone else for the remaining 3 or so years of greens lifespan.
Neither will have a huge impact on my life. But how happy will you be if the devs, fed up with people who demand perfection and raise every flaw to "game breaking" level, simply give up, walk away, and leave you tramping around Blue until they decide to turn off the lights?

If the bugs that people are running into exist on Blue, then it's not a Green issue but something that can be worked on after Green in released. Green seems to be about the timeline, the lighting, and the UI. They seem to have the timeline issues resolved. The lighting looks great, but if there are bugs there, they need to be fixed or people will be hating for good reason. The UI, well, it is what it is at time of release. It won't be pure classic because it CAN'T be pure classic. As long as you can interact with the UI withing hanging, crashing, or dying, its good to go.

[Indicas]

You're nearly twice the nerd I am.
you're crying about stuff not working right here, you won the nerd battle, most of us just want to play, but for you it has to be a shiny ball of perfect huh? dork

[Fammaden]

Gday all,
I had something odd happen in Green Beta, I figured it was just me stuffing up somehow, but it's just possible it could be a bug I suppose.

I checked the bug report forum, and did not see any mention of this. I have not reported it, but I thought I'd mention it here just in case it HAS happened to someone else.

Primary Weapon DISAPPEARED for unknown reason.

I logged in yesterday and my powerful primary weapon was missing from my hand. It was not anywhere in my inventory. My other hand still had my lightstone, all other items were still present. I had logged out safely, not died.

Before it went missing I had not being fighting much - just exploring, traveling, chatting and buffing. So I don't really know how and when it disappeared.

It's remotely possible it was a bug - if this has happened to anyone else, then we should probably report it...

Kapyong

Were you using one of the Kunark weapons that won't be dropping after launch? They reverted those and deleted existing ones since the most recent patch.

[DMN]

Neither will have a huge impact on my life. But how happy will you be if the devs, fed up with people who demand perfection and raise every flaw to "game breaking" level, simply give up, walk away, and leave you tramping around Blue until they decide to turn off the lights?
.

Who has demanded "perfection"? Be specific. And recreating classic as best/accurate possible is rogean and co's own vision.

[larper99]

Who has demanded "perfection"? Be specific. And recreating classic as best/accurate possible is rogean and co's own vision.
Well, the OP that stated there were many game breaking issues, but doesn't tell what they are.

But, the "demand for perfection" is also how the development team perceives it. Yeah, they know its not perfect. But developers (anyone, really) start to put up walls and start to dig in their heals when people complain about little things as if they are big things. Once they perceive that the players are ungrateful, they will give up.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Oh man. Let it go.

[DMN]

Well, the OP that stated there were many game breaking issues, but doesn't tell what they are.

But, the "demand for perfection" is also how the development team perceives it. Yeah, they know its not perfect. But developers (anyone, really) start to put up walls and start to dig in their heals when people complain about little things as if they are big things. Once they perceive that the players are ungrateful, they will give up.

Wow, now the players went from too demanding too ungrateful. Look at them goalposts move.

[Deathrydar]

Oh man. Let it go.

[Gustoo]

There is nothing on green that is going to break the launch. We have launched blue and red successfully with different teething issues. Green will have some but it is ready to be ready and there is zero chance of delay.

Its a 12 / 10 best game experience situation and if all issues were resolved it would be like 14 / 10 best. Its ready to rock.

[larper99]

Yep, moving on.

[cd288]

it's seems your variables are way too simplistic. How upset will the users be when a bunch of exploits/bugs are used to permanently warp the landscape of green server's lifespan? what's worse, being upset for a week or two for something you are getting FOR FREE, or bug/exploit that ticks off everyone else for the remaining 3 or so years of greens lifespan.

Dude, no one disagrees with that in concept. The point everyone is trying to make is that you have presented ZERO evidence of these types of things currently existing. Everyone has asked multiple times to post a list of major bugs and/or exploits that you think warrant delaying the launch. With all due respect, either post said list or stfu.

[NegaStoat]

But then again what's the point? In, what, three years the server will be gobbled up into blue

Go read the announcements again. The merge into blue has not been decided upon - it's still up in the air at this stage. It's absolutely possible that Blue will become its own beast with custom content changes and Green might empty out into its own 'museum' server and a fresh Green starts anew.

[DMN]

Dude, no one disagrees with that in concept. The point everyone is trying to make is that you have presented ZERO evidence of these types of things currently existing. Everyone has asked multiple times to post a list of major bugs and/or exploits that you think warrant delaying the launch. With all due respect, either post said list or stfu.

First off there is a metric shitload of things they could add to make green more classic. For those people who want to play as classic as possible that alone is enough of an issue for them to wait just a bit longer. But getting to bugs, as already mentioned being permanently snared and I just found my weapon vanished on looting. That's two major bugs just the last day or so.

The worst bug/exploits aren't going to be reported by 90% of the players because they will want to abuse them on release. We have to wait for the 10% to find them. Worse, the class ratios are completely out of whack. Like a buttload of mages/kiters/pet classes. Who knows what kind of bugs could await SK/paladins/rangers 40+.

Now you give me a list of reasons you can't wait a little longer for something 10 years already in the making? Why should your demand to PLAY NOW DAMN IT, trump someone else who wants bugs as squashed as possible and as classic as possible? What makes you so special?

[Deathrydar]

Now you give me a list of reasons you can't wait a little longer for something 10 years already in the making? Why should your demand to PLAY NOW DAMN IT, trump someone else who wants bugs as squashed as possible and as classic as possible? What makes you so special?

/start misdirection

[bubur]

if yall could pm me some of them gamebreaking bugs i will make sure the staff knos bout em real fast

cuz i been on beta since day 1 cant find em, stop holdin out bros i prolly ported u 1 or 2 times dint i?

[magusfire24]

*open popcorn and sits back to watch everything burn*

[Jimjam]

Right. Lets say we're delaying Green release for 3-5 years. On Friday we'll wipe green beta to start green 'super beta' which will test out the patch timeline system. We'll all keep 'testing the game breaking bugs' on super beta, ready for true green in a few years time.

[Veeshan31]

Right. Lets say we're delaying Green release for 3-5 years. On Friday we'll wipe green beta to start green 'super beta' which will test out the patch timeline system. We'll all keep 'testing the game breaking bugs' on super beta, ready for true green in a few years time.

You are a genius

[Kapyong]

Were you using one of the Kunark weapons that won't be dropping after launch? They reverted those and deleted existing ones since the most recent patch.

Ah, that must have been it, thanks for letting me know Fammaden :)

(A high level character gave me the weapon, it was amazingly good, heaps of stats, super damage - don't know where it came from, don't even remember it's name.)

[Polycaster]

[QUOTE=Swyftfingers;2995523]true classic p99 museum experience, there's too many bugs to achieve that outcome.QUOTE]


Not enough bugs, actually. Poor testing and a shitty launch is 100% legit classic EQ.

[cd288]

First off there is a metric shitload of things they could add to make green more classic. For those people who want to play as classic as possible that alone is enough of an issue for them to wait just a bit longer. But getting to bugs, as already mentioned being permanently snared and I just found my weapon vanished on looting. That's two major bugs just the last day or so.

We're not talking about making the game more classic. We're talking about major bugs/exploits. After you accused other people of moving the goalposts, you just went and tried to move them.

As people have said, just because a bug happened to you doesn't mean that it's a rampant issue. Unless you have a bunch of people experiencing said bug, you don't delay a launch over it. If one person reports a bug, you continue on with the launch and try and fix the bug as and when you can.

The worst bug/exploits aren't going to be reported by 90% of the players because they will want to abuse them on release. We have to wait for the 10% to find them. Worse, the class ratios are completely out of whack. Like a buttload of mages/kiters/pet classes. Who knows what kind of bugs could await SK/paladins/rangers 40+.

I mean, I honestly just don't even know what to do with this response. "No one is going to report bugs so we should delay launch until they decide to." What??? And the class ratio argument is simply not a valid reason for delay. If there are bugs for the non-Bard hybrid classes, they will get discovered and quickly patched post-launch. Pretty much everyone who is going to play Green regularly are dedicated EQ/P99ers. Many of them have been playing on P99 for years. Some bugs that get fixed later aren't going to make everyone leave the server.

Now you give me a list of reasons you can't wait a little longer for something 10 years already in the making? Why should your demand to PLAY NOW DAMN IT, trump someone else who wants bugs as squashed as possible and as classic as possible? What makes you so special?

I don't need to give you a list of reasons why I can't wait, because I said I agreed with you in concept. If there are major and rampant documented bugs/exploits then the launch should be delayed. As such, myself and other commenters here have asked you and OP to provide a list of such issues so that we may educate ourselves and see if we agree that the launch should be delayed. The only major rampant bug you provided has already been quickly patched, and your argument for delaying the launch has been a vague standard of "well if one major rampant bug exists then that 100% means there are a bunch of others." Therefore, unless you can provide a list of ongoing major rampant bugs that have been reported by multiple people and have not been confirmed that they will be fixed by Friday, there's quite literally no reason to delay the launch.

As far as your question about making this as classic as possible, again we're not talking about that here. We're talking about bugs. Not the classic vs. non-classic argument, which is a completely separate argument.

[Indicas]

you don't have to play the game when its released, its that simple, if you think its buggy don't play! but don't sit here and try to change the process because it doesn't fit your idea, why is society like this now? not my president booo hooo yadda yadda

[Dolalin]

The agreement with Daybreak might also prevent them from moving the launch date. (talking completely out of my arse here)

[skorge]

There is nothing on green that is going to break the launch. We have launched blue and red successfully with different teething issues. Green will have some but it is ready to be ready and there is zero chance of delay.

Its a 12 / 10 best game experience situation and if all issues were resolved it would be like 14 / 10 best. Its ready to rock.

Mage pets being OP will break launch for sure. Mage pets, their spells, almost everything about magician will break the game. Just go to bugs/green bugs and look at the PROVEN RESEARCH about how mage pets were weaker, their summons were weaker, everything, for MONTHS...

Just wait until you get a load of the number of mages Green will have...this changes the entire feel of real classic launch era..affecting the ENTIRE server...not just me, but everyone.

Don't give me that crap about not worrying about what others play...I don't want 1/3 of the population to be a mage!

PS - Bring it on Baler, and whoever else that wants to go toe to toe with me about mages...I can't wait. Nerd battle.

I'm 110% down for a delay in launch. I don't even care they just marketed the date out there. A delay is ALWAYS better. Look at No Man's Sky...that game could have been one of the best launches of all time but they blew it.

[Sinistria]

He more likely wants to go on playing with the 10% exp boost...

[Videri]

OP is referring to himself in the third person.
https://i.imgur.com/HidBMJ4.gif

Slow down, Baler buddy.

OP (meaning Original Post) was about delaying the launch so the Beta phase has enough time to do it's job.

[skorge]

He more likely wants to go on playing with the 10% exp boost...

No, server has a TON TON TON TON TON of bugs...an unbelievable amount of bugs. Some HUGE bugs. I can't believe they are moving forward with the launch. Why did they even wait 10 years to do it? Green 2 won't be any different guys...it's been 10 years. 10 years. Still game-breaking bugs out there. How many actually played the beta? Server should have been "sold" as Blue 2, not Green.

Go play the beta. You will encounter bugs in the first 5 minutes.

[Jibartik]

I like how baler's avatar is evolving

[Jibartik]

No, server has a TON TON TON TON TON of bugs...an unbelievable amount of bugs. Some HUGE bugs.

Better to drop giant firebeetle legs my dear.

[cd288]

Mage pets being OP will break launch for sure. Mage pets, their spells, almost everything about magician will break the game. Just go to bugs/green bugs and look at the PROVEN RESEARCH about how mage pets were weaker, their summons were weaker, everything, for MONTHS...

Just wait until you get a load of the number of mages Green will have...this changes the entire feel of real classic launch era..affecting the ENTIRE server...not just me, but everyone.

Don't give me that crap about not worrying about what others play...I don't want 1/3 of the population to be a mage!

PS - Bring it on Baler, and whoever else that wants to go toe to toe with me about mages...I can't wait. Nerd battle.

I'm 110% down for a delay in launch. I don't even care they just marketed the date out there. A delay is ALWAYS better. Look at No Man's Sky...that game could have been one of the best launches of all time but they blew it.

Sorry, hard to take someone seriously who fell for a player voice graft during the GM event and was like "guys!!11!1! A skeleton just said that the GM event is below level 10 only and is in Befallen!" and then promptly ran a lowbie from FP and sat there

[skorge]

Better to drop giant firebeetle legs my dear.

Lol...but for reals. The only thing that seems to have been done is they updated the UI, removed the blue bar from experience and adjusted the darkness. Otherwise it's Blue.

[Sinistria]

No, server has a TON TON TON TON TON of bugs...an unbelievable amount of bugs. Some HUGE bugs. I can't believe they are moving forward with the launch. Why did they even wait 10 years to do it? Green 2 won't be any different guys...it's been 10 years. 10 years. Still game-breaking bugs out there. How many actually played the beta? Server should have been "sold" as Blue 2, not Green.

Go play the beta. You will encounter bugs in the first 5 minutes.

I just wanted to log in, green is barely playable..


I like how baler's avatar is evolving

:D Just did the same :D

from oooOOOoooOOO a few days ago evolved over to being rezzed and now he alreay got his new pet ;)

[skorge]

Sorry, hard to take someone seriously who fell for a player voice graft during the GM event and was like "guys!!11!1! A skeleton just said that the GM event is below level 10 only and is in Befallen!" and then promptly ran a lowbie from FP and sat there

Lol and how many others got fooled by voice graft? Does that make the other hundreds of people less smart? Not everyone is a godly EQ nerd like you buddy. I had no idea about voice graft doing that. Never even seen that spell being used before.

Kinda a weak argument though as it has no relevance in what we are talking about. Nice try, turd face. Yes, I just called you a turd face.

[Jibartik]

Lol...but for reals. The only thing that seems to have been done is they updated the UI, removed the blue bar from experience and adjusted the darkness. Otherwise it's Blue.

I updated the UI! :mad:

lol jk a lot of us did hehe <3

[magusfire24]

I think what is going on is people are starving for Green because it is so close. They are going mad! Which is why so many crazy threads.

[Jimjam]

I updated the UI! :mad:

lol jk a lot of us did hehe <3

Good point here: be the change you want to see. We all volunteer here as players, testers, some times even bug reporters. If you spot a need that requires addressing then do something about it.

[Nuggie]

Anyone care to give me the cliff notes of the last 15 GD pages?

[Sinistria]

People are bored and hanging around the on forum waiting for green.

Not realy of any importance.

[larper99]

Anyone care to give me the cliff notes of the last 15 GD pages?
Some people thought that Green would solve the bugs found in Blue, or something like that.

[larsbars]

I don't care about bugs. This green thing is very exciting. Beta green has been very very fun.

[larsbars]

Additionally bugs only add unsearchable content which is more in line with 1999.

[Madbad]

Anyone care to give me the cliff notes of the last 15 GD pages?

Nothing to see here

[dussle27]

Please delay green because "WHAT IF?!?!?!?"

Yes great song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkHjFzw1TUg