Shaman vs Druid pvp

[Gustoo]

One on one, how do these classes stack up pvp wise at level 50 and then level 60?

Assuming neither player is a fool and both have disease and poison potions, and other correct items.

[Rushmore]

Dam this guy wants in on some Master of the PVP... BRO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHHB9jdGN_Y

[DRAGONBAIT]

shaman is best pvp class ever. a BEAST

[Gustoo]

That's a solid video very inspirational.

I'm going to follow it up with seal , kissed by a rose for some period correction emotional power ups.

Still curious about good druids vs good shamans

[coolget]

druid is generally better unless the shaman is paired with an enchanter

1v1? neither will kill each other

[Bazia]

they both suck you can cure/dispell all their relevant stuff, also cold and fire nukes which again are easy to resist

unless your talking classic in which case a druid will deep dick a shaman with starfires while the shaman can only retaliate with level 30 necro tier dots

[Gustoo]

Thanks for the good insights. I imagined them both not killing eachother too. Since they both can heal themselves more reliably than they can damage eachother.

At low level, shamans always wasted druids by being ogres with better smashing skills.

[DRAGONBAIT]

druid is generally better unless the shaman is paired with an enchanter

1v1? neither will kill each other

in my book druid is weak against a shaman, period. all hes got is an unresistable line wich is dispelled with a pumice, so weak. not sure what everquest did u play bruh


im got tired of killing druids in the 55 range on my rags shaman in oot.

[DRAGONBAIT]

they both suck you can cure/dispell all their relevant stuff, also cold and fire nukes which again are easy to resist

unless your talking classic in which case a druid will deep dick a shaman with starfires while the shaman can only retaliate with level 30 necro tier dots

starfire is a 6.2 secs cast. i see u all guys excell pvp

[DRAGONBAIT]

Thanks for the good insights. I imagined them both not killing eachother too. Since they both can heal themselves more reliably than they can damage eachother.

At low level, shamans always wasted druids by being ogres with better smashing skills.


shaman will always be killing a druid unless the druid knows what hes doing, but hell end up running and gating or plugging, thats it. if u have pet out and manage to land a bolt or any disease u can be up on him slam interrupting or tossin a rain as soon as he tries to heal up or cure. hell u dont even need to land anything u can just dispell and melee him down with ur hasted pet by ur side.

tldr : a simple item like pumice beats a druid, as sad as it sounds.

[Gustoo]

I think it really depends if the druid is out for blood or exp grinding.

Basically whoever is casting first.

I tend to agree that a prepared shaman vs a druid with anything but a secret hidden charm pet is going to be victorious because they're so much stronger smashing druid face in.

But if the druid is the one attacking and starting strong and has the shaman on the defensive, removing dots while getting nuked it would go the other way.

What line of druid spells is not resistable in pvp? like winged death?

[DRAGONBAIT]

I think it really depends if the druid is out for blood or exp grinding.

Basically whoever is casting first.

I tend to agree that a prepared shaman vs a druid with anything but a secret hidden charm pet is going to be victorious because they're so much stronger smashing druid face in.

But if the druid is the one attacking and starting strong and has the shaman on the defensive, removing dots while getting nuked it would go the other way.

What line of druid spells is not resistable in pvp? like winged death?

if i remember correctly, winged death line is unresistable, but dispellable with pumice, they got also some fire debuff wich im not sure if was unressitable too? druid has to pvp with the 4s cast DD, and have the jump, then he would have a chance.

problem is that with 120fr hes already fucked, u have to think how people build chars, cr fr and mr are the go to options, then poison then disease, even velious geared players have not enough disease resists so u can pvp with the disease line on a shaman, wich is what i did,

[Gustoo]

I wonder why the other dudes think druid does well. Maybe some DD goes through? I could see a druid going OOm easily fighting a shaman with half a brain before getting close to killing.

[Genedin]

Lvl 60 shaman with all his spells...how does a Druid kilt him? Could torpor and heal then cani dance until Druid is out of mana. Lvl 60 shaman with all his spells, very godlike

[DRAGONBAIT]

I wonder why the other dudes think druid does well. Maybe some DD goes through? I could see a druid going OOm easily fighting a shaman with half a brain before getting close to killing.


bumping old discussion here. i was re-reading and it was not mentioned, if druid gets the jump, cast some junk and is able to bottom slot the dots, then keep the pressure on i guess he would be able to win. druid would have a chance if he dispells everything on the shaman and keeps working from there. not sure tho since it would require more skill, shaman is easy mode on the other hand. with clikies is hard to dispell people

maybe im missing something still

any more thoughts on this druid vs shaman discussion?

[Trainhop]

I could see a shaman v druid fight going either way until torpor is scribed, at that point the druid is just standing in awe. Would say druid is better at being the aggressor as they got p good rain and nuke followups if that shaman isn't on their shit at that point they are toast. Gear especially HP/fire resist can give a shaman a much better chance while druids would want HP/MR and cure potions made by shamans. Shamans with solid resist might still take a hit from magic dots but they can gate away if they have to. The shaman's chances of winning increases as the battle goes on though i believe, with canni as well as many utility spells a shaman can possibly even land a malo-line / blind not to mention bind sight to see where pesky dr00d at. Sealing the deal a druid has less chance to escape as most shamans have a secret weapon... SL*M. As far as pursuits go both can cheetah but only shamans can insta sow clicky after that fades. If both play well and counter respectively I could see it becoming a war of attrition lasting several minutes if not even 10-15 minutes where i think the druid would be nearing oom if they haven't burned through half of each cure pot.

[Traak]

shaman can interrupt druid with slam and pet.

shaman.

[Christina.]

50s it's a matter of who's more skilled dispelling w / pumice, bottom slotting, getting oor etc.
60s a shaman will destroy a druid lol

[silo32]

I have never been killed in the history of everquest pvp by a druid

ever

shaman are king of pvp if you can hold your frame

bards are really the only class you will never beat outdoors he will make you hate run leave flee he wont kill you but you will end up being annoyed leave

if I could do it all over again I would make a warrior and have everyone support me

[iamnotsalem]

Shamans couldnt even land spells on me other then Malo, and If that somehow got bottom slotted i would still resist 75% of there spells. If i happened to have a DMF i wouldnt even bother pelling it.

[Tune]

druid is generally better unless the shaman is paired with an enchanter

1v1? neither will kill each other

very much disagree

shaman are way better in this match up

slam, better melee, way way more overpowered pet

both classes can be very defensive, and last a very long time

but if the druid cant run away infinitely or gate, a smart shaman can win everytime

[magnetaress]

Druids have consistently wiped the floor with me. I have never played vs a shaman.

[Christina.]

Druids have consistently wiped the floor with me. I have never played vs a shaman.

What class are you? If magician. Dispell their dots off yourself..make sure you have aegis of ro (60FR buff) on you so his nukes resist..bottom slot buff your pet so you can pumice his roots off your pet soon as he's hit with them .. keep your pet velocity'd so he can't outrun it and bolt his ass whenever he stops and trys to re-root your pet. He'll eventually die or try to zone lol.

You have to apply pressure on people as a magician, it surprises them..most think we don't know how to do anything but click pet attack lol.

[magnetaress]

What class are you? If magician. Dispell their dots off yourself..make sure you have aegis of ro (60FR buff) on you so his nukes resist..bottom slot buff your pet so you can pumice his roots off your pet soon as he's hit with them .. keep your pet velocity'd so he can't outrun it and bolt his ass whenever he stops and trys to re-root your pet. He'll eventually die or try and zone lol.

You have to apply pressure on people as a magician, it surprises them..most think we don't know how to do anything but click pet attack lol.

Thx for the tips ) I agree with all that! pro pvp advice

[Kerwin 5.0]

in my book druid is weak against a shaman, period. all hes got is an unresistable line wich is dispelled with a pumice, so weak. not sure what everquest did u play bruh


im got tired of killing druids in the 55 range on my rags shaman in oot.

i destroyed you on my druid lol never had a chance

[DRAGONBAIT]

i destroyed you on my druid lol never had a chance

lol kerwin, u wish. Went 53 -12 during a season and u got none of those 12 deaths, if i remember correctly u were trying to learn the pvp at that time.

only people that killed me in oot was Jacobim with that nasty enchanter, and ofc Bobby or Godly, for sure there were better pvpers out there but i guess they didnt come to OOT in those glorious days

smalmee got a few jumps also before i geared up

there was some gnome wizard from flowers of happines i think, he also got me

PD : i want to recall that the 53 -12 was in a time were everyone was saying that u couldnt get an YT playing a shaman

Thanks, i know i rock, and troll : )

[Christina.]

Who was your shaman Dragonbait

[DRAGONBAIT]

Who was your shaman Dragonbait


Rockandtroll, the prince of OOT

[Christina.]

Ah ok was this when our server was in classic?

[Bigsham]

no it was kunark

aka the best era of red99

also a shaman can cast torp on himself and literally just eat the dot ticks and keep dotting the druid and win everytime

[magnetaress]

Torp can't be interrupt or Pell?

[Bozer Dispozer]

Oooold thread but I have to throw in my 2 cents.

Skilled shaman wins this fight all day in a long drawn out 1v1. I’m surprised no one mentioned range kiting, the secret sauce that allows a shaman to beat every caster (or at least gate when losing).
Shaman runs from druid, druid chases, shaman stops at max range starts casting pumice/ebolt/whatever, druid stops starts his cast, shamans spell lands and before druid cast gets off, shaman is out of range, and pet is right there. This works on 99% of retail pvpers and about 80% of the people here.

In fact, I saw Dragonbait do it to a druid in RM once. I was trying to oor heal and trade spam to save the druid, but he just kept chasing until he was toast.

Druid cannot do this in reverse however. Because the shaman can always back up dispell his pet and rush in for a slam /pumice rush.

Great druid can still catch the shaman napping, and in group pvp has so many more tools other than being an immortal heal/buffbot.

One on one, you would have to be a god tier pvper or just an idiot to claim druids can even go 50/50 against shammies

[Bigsham]

torp can outheal shitty druid dots

and all the while they are spamming bane

[Fame]

there was some gnome wizard from flowers of happines i think, he also got me


Was it a friendly wizard, porting for clarity?

[Knuckle]

The only way a druid can beat a shaman is if he runs them OOM.
A shaman should try to force melee as quickly as possible, this puts pressure on the druid to force heals out as a wolf pet + shaman melee + slam interrupts can quickly put a druid on the defensive.

If the druid has a powerful summoned pet up, it should give him the edge, this is because the shaman is forced to root the pet first(assuming the druid buff stacked and charmed to prevent 1 cast charm dispel).

This basically means the druid can now root/snare the shaman pet, and then focus on curing any dots on the shaman while trying to deep stack some good MR dots buy loading the weaker ones on first(less mana lost if dispelled).

It's definitely a back and forth style of battle, but the druid is at a disadvantage (in my opinion), as they are simply a weaker dueling class vs. the shaman without a charmed pet. This means it requires situational preparation by the druid to match the Shamans power.

If we are talking Kunark era, I have to say the Shaman is significantly more powerful IF they have torpor. Torpors heal is absolutely nuts for a druid to try and burst through, the shaman can probably just /pet attack and chain pell the druid with torpor back stacked and then click off a few junk buffs to take care of any drifting death etc...


Fun topic and reminded me of a lot of VZTZ fights.

[DRAGONBAIT]

Was it a friendly wizard, porting for clarity?


hehe nop, met him in oot and after some trashtalks he wanted to show me, so he did xd

cant remember the name but pretty sure it was from Flowers of Happines


oh good ol times. really had a blast on this server back in the day, even with all the toxic shit with nihilum nizzar azrael hokuten and all that bullshit, we were like fucking teenagers, but it was hella fun.

shoutout to domingueros of norrath also : ) hope everyone is doing good and hopefully we will have another classic red server sometime in the future.

[DRAGONBAIT]

Torp can't be interrupt or Pell?


this i do not know but it should be pellable i guess

[Knuckle]

this i do not know but it should be pellable i guess

I think Torpor might be classified as disease based so I might have that wrong, someone will answer hopefully. I only got Torpor a year into kunark on VZTZ on my shaman and it was so glorious, my monk shaman could camp so much more shit than before it was absurd.

[Kerwin 5.0]

Rockandtroll I have screenshots on my imgur of killing you bud. I dont ever recall you killing me. We always chatted and even the last time i killed you i let you come loot your corpse without having to call LNS. Not sure if you got me confused.... Yeah i didnt have the best gear at the time but I had levels on you. OOT was my zone, only person that i had trouble with was Uuruks mage because he water danced all day long with epic pets, more annoying than anything.... he got below 10 % once but got away..

inb4 he posts pics of his rogue killing me after offering a port and smoking when i ported so he could disc backstab and be so happy he got ss's of killing me when i was just being nice.

[Kerwin 5.0]

or tacosmasher or whoevers fucking red robe epic mage

[DRAGONBAIT]

ur character was a druid named kerwin right? tbh i remember it the other way around, but i may be wrong and u got me sometime. Anyway i remember u kinda friendly, been a long time. Dont say OOT was ur zone tho, at least not on my playtime, i was sittin there everyday with druigado, friendly druid, and the zone was literally owned by Bobby who was a necro and i believe he boxed a druid named Godly also. Only person to put us in trouble was Jacobim, an enchanter, and yeah i remember that mague coming with the epic pet, lasted 1 week tho since he got owned. Im afraid that if u owned OOT it wasnt during my playtime but its all good if u got me sometime and took a screen, as i told u i died 12 times during the season i remember, and many more outside it.

Anyway, best part of OOT was the pvp, it was the perfect range and no zonelines, waterdance, range, etc. it was pretty sweet, good times, i dont want to but its hard not to brag when my shaman was a beast on that lvl range :p, and honestly, no druid stood a chance, ever, slam and hasted+sow pet was so damn op in OOT. ( also fbss + censer + haste on the shaman was pretty sweet, didnt even need to cast )

PD: that last phrase is about me? i never had a rogue, never took a screen of anyone, but i got tired of killing everyones chars in OOT honestly. Im not sure if u are trolling me or something :p ( would be awesome to recover those pvp tables where u could see who u killed and who killed u, i remember pretty clear my 53 12 )

[Visual]

Shaman owns druid. You play the long game with dispells, timely bashes and melee. Then after an hour when you've whittled them down, you can maybe try to catch them off guard by casting and finishing them off.