Will EC prices change on Blue?

[Polixa]

Better minds than mine will have a good prediction. Will T Staffs, Torpor, Fungis etc significantly come down in price over the next few months?

My guess is yes they will drop but by how much?

[mycoolrausch]

Don't know about other items but fungis went down to 40k because King could be efficiently triod or even duod, with only needing to kill a couple static spawns and AFKing for 20 minutes between PHs. So very small efficient farm teams would camp him and swap to EC mules for quick sales. I think pathing and other changes have returned it to a camp that requires more investment so it climbed back up to 50k.

[bricke75]

Fungi's are holding solid at 50k, some even more. Demand is still high.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Fungus_Covered_Scale_Tunic

[salimoneus]

if someone could accurately predict market prices they'd be trading actual securities not forum questing

[kotton05]

blue is ded

[sentinel]

red is also ded

[bigjeff100]

I don't think prices will change at all.. Blue will remain a force for sure. And everything will still always be camped. I expect prices to remain the same.

[Crede]

No. Green hype will die eventually.

[Lhord99]

Man. Just everyone leave Blue so's I can hazz ALL DA HHK NOBLLEEZZZZ!!!!

[wilsonshaman99]

Lol green hype train will come to a halt

[Baler]

As if green in 3-5 years ending will magically change how the ec fat cats drive item prices up.

[Arvan]

sell high while you still can

[mycoolrausch]

Some items have a lower bound. Like the fungi tunic I mentioned earlier. I haven't calculated the precise figures but let's say if you calculate the chance the named spawns instead of the PH, and he drops the tunic instead of the robe or staff, and you win the roll over 5 of your group mates, and it comes out to requiring 30 hours on average to win a fungi. Farming raw platinum from say NG/disco bugs for 30 hours, and other pure cash camps, puts a lower bound on how low a fungi tunic can go before it's not worth camping and thus there is no supply to meet the demand. The massive amounts of fungi tunics in circulation probably don't matter that much, because they're on inactive accounts, or already in use and not likely to be sold. Just my speculation, as an expert on nothing.

[wagorf]

fungis are still easy to sell, and prices are not dropping. whoever says the opposite is not in the fungi business or just trying to score a cheap fungi

[Lhord99]

What I don’t understand about this whole “toxic Blue economy” is this: what’s the gripe?
- Fungi SHOULD cost 50k+, it’s a broken item
- CoS SHOULD rise in price because it no longer drops AND it’s a broken item
- Holgresh beads... had em once. Not sure about the 300k tag on that one.
For these “elite” items, it takes some time to buy them? You don’t get a Ferrari for your first car for many reasons...

- Decent newbie gear that drops in CoM (trance sticks, GJBS) SHOULD be relatively inexpensive because, well, cracked staves are obsolete by 4-weeks into Vanilla.

Plat isn’t THAT hard to make. Dedicate some time to it, and you’ll be alright?

That being said, prices seem stable for the short term. They’ll drop slowly.

[Psyborg]

What I don’t understand about this whole “toxic Blue economy” is this: what’s the gripe?
- Fungi SHOULD cost 50k+, it’s a broken item
- CoS SHOULD rise in price because it no longer drops AND it’s a broken item
- Holgresh beads... had em once. Not sure about the 300k tag on that one.
For these “elite” items, it takes some time to buy them? You don’t get a Ferrari for your first car for many reasons...

- Decent newbie gear that drops in CoM (trance sticks, GJBS) SHOULD be relatively inexpensive because, well, cracked staves are obsolete by 4-weeks into Vanilla.

Plat isn’t THAT hard to make. Dedicate some time to it, and you’ll be alright?

That being said, prices seem stable for the short term. They’ll drop slowly.

Folks are complaining about things that are going to eventually impact green too. In my opinion the blue economy was healthier than my live server. Items move very fast, whether on the high end or the low end.

I wouldn't overthink this much. Green is an awesome project that was always going to impact Blue. Blue population is going to fluctuate with each new content drop on Green. In 3.5 years Blue will be king again if Green merges into it because most of those folks are not going to want to reinvest their time starting over on Green again. Some will want the evergreen experience, obviously.

For now, enjoy the lower population on Blue while it lasts. I sure am.

[aaezil]

Haha the panic post by the sellers watching all the buyers leave the server. “No its fine the house isnt on fire”

Gonna be a a buyers market guys dont get pushed around on prices.

[Bazia]

people will max out green characters then go get fresh content on blue while they wait

green will bring people to blue as well

[Bardp1999]

Blue will never be where it was, but it will be fine until Green hits Kunark, at that point Blue will be taken off life support and the influx of new players will come to a dramatic and crashing halt and the house of cards will come tumbling down to red levels of population (sub 200 pop). Im not joking at all, enjoy the next 13 months while you can.

mark my words

[Psyborg]

Blue will be fine until Green hits Kunark, at that point Blue will be taken off life support and the influx of new players will come to a dramatic and crashing halt and the house of cards will come crashing down to red levels of population. Im not joking at all, enjoy the next 13 months while you can.

The large population hit on Blue has already happened. It will go through ebbs and flows with content patches on Green but people still on Blue are obviously in it for the long haul. Blue players that wanted to go Green would have done that already, for the most part. I also disagree that it will never be what it once was. If Green does actually roll into Blue at the end of the patch cycle Blue is going to be the place to be.

[Bardp1999]

When Kunark hits Blue will become a ghost town because it will be getting 0 new players and only established players will be left. Fun fact about P99, people burn out and ghost guilds in the raid scene at a high rate. There will be a point in time very soon where people are leaving the server faster than joining it, and we are probably already there.

New players will be forced into an easy choice - join a server where there are people with millions of platinum and have beaten the game 100x over, or join the new server

[Erati]

When Kunark hits Blue will become a ghost town because it will be getting 0 new players and only established players will be left. Fun fact about P99, people burn out and ghost guilds in the raid scene at a high rate. There will be a point in time very soon where people are leaving the server faster than joining it, and we are probably already there.

New players will be forced into an easy choice - join a server where there are people with millions of platinum and have beaten the game 100x over, or join the new server

One thing to remember is Epics on Green will be one of the hardest to achieve 'goals' any new player will face. Many will quickly see how impossible they are to acquire and likely try the 'easier' epic path on Blue if thats something they have returned to the game for.

[Raclen]

Nah blue is dead, no one is going to go back to that trash can server

[sentinel]

We'll see. It sounds like it will come down to the convenience of Blue (and blue's 10 year maturity/mud flation) to being on the ground floor of something new and exciting in Green.

Impossible to tell now, but I bet Blue does have a noticeable to serious population hit regardless. Now that might not be a bad thing, but it will happen.

[Gustoo]

It's going to look like red.

Red players are smart not dumb. When the server ends they call it. Not just stacking BIS toon after BIS toon.

Some guys will keep killing dragons just like red.

[Lanzellot]

Nah blue is dead, no one is going to go back to that trash can server

peoples like you will be allways newbs ,on green in years too:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

[Gustoo]

You can only beat velious so hard.

[Lhord99]

People are playing both simultaneously - perhaps up to, but not limited to, 25% of the actual green server are logged in on Blue as well. Especially while they LFG on green, or poop sock large skeleton spawn points, or while they await raid rules and other camps on Blue, it’s not that hard to “Gluebox.”

Just gotta be glued to the box...

The green dragon has not killed the blue dragon. Alas, they are the same dragon...

[kaluppo]

Blue was dead this weekend. 500 during peak and 300 or less anything non-peak. Three things happened on Blue this weekend that I never thought I would see.

1). Unrest was empty. There was one point when I was only one in zone and most other times it was under 10.

2). I was in EC for 3 full minutes and did not see a single auction. Not one. And I am not talking 3 am either. This was like 9 pm CST Saturday night.

3). WC rings were abandoned. At approximately 10:30 PM CST I was the only one at the WC druid rings. No groups gathering for a raid or hunt, No druids porting or PotG for donations, ect. I was all alone for five full minutes and then I saw a few peeps port in and run off. But the rings were for all intents and purposes, dead.

It was eerie LOL

[kaluppo]

As far as EC prices go, I doubt they will drop. Prices are always based on supply and demand. Supply is high and demand is low prices drop. Supply is low and demand is high then prices rise. There is less of both. Less sellers and less buyers so my prediction is the prices will stay mostly where they were before greens launch with maybe some prices even going up.

That's just my guess.

[jolanar]

I actually got annoyed with the pop being so high on green that I went back to blue for a bit.

I wanted to head to geo caves since I figured they wouldn't be camped for a change. Not a single Dial a Port on. No druid or wizard to port me and the prospect of a 2+ hour journey (two boat rides) to get there basically made me log off instantly.

Without the community infrastructure the motivation to play on Blue goes away pretty quick.

[Lhord99]

Odd - my night was spent killing Vindi, then doing a Chardok CE pick up group for about 2 hours. Maybe ya just had bad luck?

[Psyborg]

I actually got annoyed with the pop being so high on green that I went back to blue for a bit.

I wanted to head to geo caves since I figured they wouldn't be camped for a change. Not a single Dial a Port on. No druid or wizard to port me and the prospect of a 2+ hour journey (two boat rides) to get there basically made me log off instantly.

Without the community infrastructure the motivation to play on Blue goes away pretty quick.

The lack of DaP on the server right now is definitely a thing. Someone should create a guild called <100 Plat Ports> and clean up.

[Frug]

Blue was dead this weekend. 500 during peak and 300 or less anything non-peak.

A LITTLE higher than that (https://unixgeek.com/eqemu.html), but yeah, it was like playing an "offbrand" freeshard =D

[Isey]

I actually got annoyed with the pop being so high on green that I went back to blue for a bit.

I wanted to head to geo caves since I figured they wouldn't be camped for a change. Not a single Dial a Port on. No druid or wizard to port me and the prospect of a 2+ hour journey (two boat rides) to get there basically made me log off instantly.

Without the community infrastructure the motivation to play on Blue goes away pretty quick.

I am in DaP and was only person on. I was anon because I wanted to get some XP in, and hey, camps are actually open!

I do have :Dial: in my name so people started sending me tells even while anon and I *did* port them around, due to some sense of duty or something :)

But yeah, its a self fufilling prophecy. Some DaPers do it because you can make good plat - but if no players to port around, why play a porter? :)

[aaezil]

As far as EC prices go, I doubt they will drop. Prices are always based on supply and demand. Supply is high and demand is low prices drop. Supply is low and demand is high then prices rise. There is less of both. Less sellers and less buyers so my prediction is the prices will stay mostly where they were before greens launch with maybe some prices even going up.

That's just my guess.

The demand is going way down because no new players on blue anymore all new players will go to green.

Supply will stay nearly the same because of the greedy dragon lords with their million plat still have all those tunnel bots full of gear. And those still playing will still be farming.

[Psyborg]

The demand is going way down because no new players on blue anymore all new players will go to green.

Supply will stay nearly the same because of the greedy dragon lords with their million plat still have all those tunnel bots full of gear. And those still playing will still be farming.

I've been in the tunnel on Blue since Green has gone live and this isn't the case. Supply is way down.

[aaezil]

I've been in the tunnel on Blue since Green has gone live and this isn't the case. Supply is way down.

Give it a few months they are just on green right now instead of tunnel

[Lhord99]

Idk. People have been complaining about Blue pop being too high even at 800, which was right before the weird influx of about 500 players that happened right before chardok 2.0 patch.

500 has been a blast. As a “hardcore casual,” I’ve been able to dip into raids and dip back into nearly uncontested solo/duo/trio camps on my lvl 35 mage, 40 enc, 51 nec, 51 ranger, 55 SK and 60 shaman, while still seeing enough people for duo/trio, ToV dragons, random Hate minis, Vindis, ports, etc.

I logged in EC last night and sold 2k worth of velious gems in 20 mins, for God’s sake. That NEVER happened in the last 5 months! I must be playing a different game...

[Psyborg]

Give it a few months they are just on green right now instead of tunnel

Anyone who is a serious trader would be playing on both servers at once if that was the reason. There is no reason not to sit in EC while playing on Green if you are a tunnel rat. It's what I do.

[aaezil]

Anyone who is a serious trader would be playing on both servers at once if that was the reason. There is no reason not to sit in EC while playing on Green if you are a tunnel rat. It's what I do.

Why sit in the tunnel when theres only 300 people on blue... Just no.

[Lhord99]

MacroEcon 101: fake a draught, then increase prices when demand is high. Did nobody pay attention in Ben Stein’s class?

[wagorf]

why greenbies care and comment about blue's status is beyond my imagination. stick with green, worry about stuff on your server. you dont play on blue, nobody cares about your input

i like how it is today, less crowded, less e-peens, i log in and i can do stuff with my friends or solo.

what these outspoken greenbies are doing now is no diff than what the reds were doing before green launched

[Swish]

why greenbies care and comment about blue's status is beyond my imagination

Welcome to 2012 when red launched, what happens there is of great interest and comment to blue players ^^

[Psyborg]

Why sit in the tunnel when theres only 300 people on blue... Just no.

Because people still have items to buy and sell on Blue even if rolling a character on Green, and because it requires zero extra effort. Two clients open, one playing on green and the other doing EC stuff during downtime. It’s pretty basic stuff.

[drakkan]

red is also ded

I think honestly if there some sort of life pumped into red it could turn around. I'm not sure what that life would be as I've always been a blue player and a PvE player on Everquest. There could be a new push from the p99 devs and some sort of incentive or recreation of legacy item drops or something - stir the pot a little.

I'm not sure if they're happy red is dead because it's less work or if the dev's and those running the show would like its population to rise again? I think there could be some really good planning with simple changes for a short period of time that might pump some life into red, double xp, legacy item drops aligned with green's timeline right now (or something along those lines), something that gives a classic feel but an excitement. Again, I'm not sure if that is what they want but just a thought.

[sentinel]

at first it was "green won't effect blue's population lol"

then it was "sure a few people will check out green, but they'll come back cuz their loot is on blue"

now it is "I LIKE HOW FREE FROM OTHER PLAYERS BLUE IS NOW IT IS BETTER I CAN SOLO NOW"

final edition "yeah i moved over to green cuz blue sucked now"

[Bazia]

at first it was "green won't effect blue's population lol"

then it was "sure a few people will check out green, but they'll come back cuz their loot is on blue"

now it is "I LIKE HOW FREE FROM OTHER PLAYERS BLUE IS NOW IT IS BETTER I CAN SOLO NOW"

final edition "yeah i moved over to green cuz blue sucked now"

kek'd :o

[aaezil]

Truth hurts and makes you lash out - i understand that.

Just sayin sell your stuff while theres still a sembelance of buyers hehe

[Lhord99]

Then there’s also the healthy decision: watch blue die and pick up a new hobby.