Greedy Players

[strawman]

Every group seems to have them - one player who loots 50% of the bodies or shamelessly jumps the line in alpha looting ("oops, I forgot the alphabet"). They're the players who don't turn on autosplit when everyone else does.

How do you handle greedy players in your groups?

[Yoink1986]

Boot them.

[AgentEpilot]

Out ninja them, make a point of sharing the loot and mentioning people hogging pixels is pathetic. Usually they are immune to shame though so your best bet is to drop them from group.

[gnomishfirework]

Had a bard join group in uguk and immediately start looting every corpse. Some people are just garbage humans. Casters need to med we cant be there to right click war with these guys.

[Chardy]

Ahh, Loot Whores.

Classic!!

[Spock2020]

when grp form tell the loot rules anybody not following straight booting. If everybody would do that greedy player wouldn't find group.

[Roth]

Had someone like this, so I straight kicked them out of the group

[Tenlaar]

Turn autosplit off, I didn't even want your copper on day 1.

[Jimjam]

Gotta loot every corpse for /hidecorpses looted to be of value!

[Baler]

No such thing as greedy players, there are only greedy people.

Autosplit is broken and doesn't work correctly where as the split command does.
If you can't handle people not using autosplit maybe everquest isn't the game for you.

checks out: Date: Oct 2019

[Albanwr]

I play cleric, I stop healing them. If they ask why, I say "sorry was not watching as im trying to loot, since someone is looting EVERYTHING"

[Baler]

I play cleric, I stop healing them. If they ask why, I say "sorry was not watching as im trying to loot, since someone is looting EVERYTHING"

Vigilante justice
sane and normal, right?

I didn't know pixels were so valuable that they're worth letting other players die and lose time off their life that they invested in the game.

Maybe say, Hey can we get some loot too? I noticed you're looting everything.
Nahh fuck it let them die and laugh at them.

[Albanwr]

Vigilante justice
sane and normal, right?

It gets the point across. You can't talk to these people and its not as if it happens every group.

[Baler]

It's sad and scary that people refuse to find a positive solution.

I'm not saying greedy people should be allowed rampant but allowing harm to befall them seems like an unhealthy solution.

[Jimjam]

I'm gonna meet you guys in the middle between passive aggressive and straight out up front:

First you sneak behind their back, sending catty tells to the other group mates with a bit of banter to get them on board.

Hopefully at this stage one of your groupmates, preferably the leader will confront them.

If not, you need to make a fairly innocuous comment about how either they have looted a lot, or even better one of the groupmates which responded well to your bitching didn't get to loot much yet.

At this point your group should proably explode into petty bickering before dogpiling onto the overlooted.

[strawman]

No such thing as greedy players, there are only greedy people.

Autosplit is broken and doesn't work correctly where as the split command does.
If you can't handle people not using autosplit maybe everquest isn't the game for you.

checks out: Date: Oct 2019

What's broken about autosplit? As you saw, I'm quite new to this.

I'm talking about a group where the leader posts a message saying autosplit is part of the loot rules everytime someone joins. There are a few players who don't turn it on until someone in the group takes the time to observe them, determine they're not autosplitting, and ask them to turn it on. Invariably, this is not a simple accident - these are the same players taking the lion's share of the loot.

As for...
I stop healing them

I like this. You take my pixels, I take your pixels. Directly asking greedy players to be fair doesn't work. That's appealing to a sense of fairness they demonstrably don't have. If greedy players valued fairness, they wouldn't be taking all the loot in the first place.

Hoarding loot has a profoundly negative impact on your fellow players. Suffering a substantial negative impact yourself when you engage in negative behavior should be the norm.

edit:
dogpile

This is good too, but risky, as I've seen at least one group dissolve in similar circumstances. In the worst case you might find yourself on the wrong end of a train.

[strawman]

Come to think of it - is there a third-party utility that parses the logs and tracks how much each party member has looted? That seems like an easy way to impose some objective fairness on FFA looting.

[Pyrocat]

I always ask for people to turn autosplit off. If it can't split evenly it converts it down to silver/copper and then splits it evenly, which just leaves everyone with a bunch of silver and copper weighing them down.

[Danger]

Every group seems to have them - one player who loots 50% of the bodies or shamelessly jumps the line in alpha looting ("oops, I forgot the alphabet"). They're the players who don't turn on autosplit when everyone else does.

How do you handle greedy players in your groups?

Target player
/d

challenge him to a duel. let ooc know you've challenged this person to a duel and that they're a COWARD if they don't accept or CEASE their scumbaggery

[Jimjam]

I always ask for people to turn autosplit off. If it can't split evenly it converts it down to silver/copper and then splits it evenly, which just leaves everyone with a bunch of silver and copper weighing them down.

Thats not how autosplit works, and not why you end up with a bunch of small change.

Autosplit doesn't break down larger coins in to small ones.

What happens, is it divides up each type of coin evenly between each group member, with the left overs going to whoever looted.

So lets say a hill giant drops 35 plat, 46 gold, 200 silver and 15 copper in a full group.

Most group members receive:

5 plat, 7 gold, 33 silver, 2 copper.

This leaves over 5 plat, 4 gold, 2 silver, 3 copper which the looter adds to his share of autosplit, giving him:

10 plat, 13 gold, 35 silver and 5 copper.


The reason you end up with a bunch of silver and copper is most mobs tend to drop a dozen or so each of silver and copper, but generally half a dozen plat or gold. Often there won't be enough plat (or gold depending on level of group) to be shared between the group so instead the looter gets ALL of it. Thats why autosplit is 'unfair'.

[Khorza]

Whenever I join a group with autosplit off they yell at me to turn it on so they don't miss out on the coppers, but whenever I join a group with autosplit on they yell at me to turn it off because they don't want the coppers.

[Baler]

I always ask for people to turn autosplit off. If it can't split evenly it converts it down to silver/copper and then splits it evenly, which just leaves everyone with a bunch of silver and copper weighing them down.

This

If you want to split coin set a dedicated coin loot and use...
Split money command
/split # # # #
split any money you're are carrying with your group.

[Lhord99]

Lowest Common Denominator behavior always wins out.

InB4 Iksar Monk is a thing.

[heartbrand]

Loot faster

[Legidias]

Autosplit is crap. You just end up with 300 copper that you delete cause youre 120/90

[Jibartik]

lol baler's avatar is spreading

[Fammaden]

Turn autosplit off, I didn't even want your copper on day 1.

Autosplit is dogshit, this server is full of complete newblets.

[Izmael]

Greedy players need beats with sticks. My nervis is now HUGE.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218881

[Yoite]

JimJim fully explains it but ya autosplit it junk.

it is extra junk at low lvls when mobs dont even drop platinum or only 1pp in the case the looter gets all that anyways.

When we are killing mobs that are droppping 5pp or more i dont mind autosplit but anytime before that its just copper/silver waste that i am going to end up deleting due to weight

[Kendir]

I'm gonna meet you guys in the middle between passive aggressive and straight out up front:

First you sneak behind their back, sending catty tells to the other group mates with a bit of banter to get them on board.

Hopefully at this stage one of your groupmates, preferably the leader will confront them.

If not, you need to make a fairly innocuous comment about how either they have looted a lot, or even better one of the groupmates which responded well to your bitching didn't get to loot much yet.

At this point your group should proably explode into petty bickering before dogpiling onto the overlooted.

Accurate play by play here. 100%

[magusfire24]

Yup everyone greedy and in a hurry

[stewe]

autosplit should NEVER be turned on no matter what, no one wants your 1cp splits, if it is that bad have a master looter and they can split bigger hauls at a time so u arent just getting the occasional 2 silver splits

[Jimjam]

Not only should you turn on autosplit you should also bind a /split 0 0 6 6 to all of your movement keys.

Cast that AOE money shot with each corpse you loot and each step you take!

[bum3]

As a cleric I never get to loot. So at lvl 5 I only had enough money to buy my new heals. Lvl 9 only enough to buy my buff. On classic live the cleric got all gems. It was how they paid for spells and components for buffs. So how do you handle it in the age of p99? I start looting... when i dont have mana to heal because i'm looting, that's on the group. Shitty attitude, i know. But I gotta at least be able to buy my needed spells.

[Sizar]

As a cleric I never get to loot. So at lvl 5 I only had enough money to buy my new heals. Lvl 9 only enough to buy my buff. On classic live the cleric got all gems. It was how they paid for spells and components for buffs. So how do you handle it in the age of p99? I start looting... when i dont have mana to heal because i'm looting, that's on the group. Shitty attitude, i know. But I gotta at least be able to buy my needed spells.

As a cleric 1-6 at least you should be meleeing almost as a ranger or warrior, meaning you should be there to loot every once in a while. If it's a matter of killing things like snakes and bats that drop garbage to sell, then change what you are killing to more humanoid things like skels or kobolds that drop weapons and armor worth 2-3gold. You should have zero issues buying every single spell from 1-9

[Lamil]

I usually use the tactic mentioned earlier of talking shit in tells and then sending a tell to the player by accident. Usually fixes things or they just loot faster. It's 50/50. A game in misty is trying to right click fast enough while killing the goblins. I'm hoping it gets better and have had most groups on belts or beads do alpha so casters aren't screwed as much.

[bum3]

As a cleric 1-6 at least you should be meleeing almost as a ranger or warrior

Then why play a cleric? How does your trivial damage decrease downtime in full groups? How does your comment help any post lvl 9? How are you able to loot enough mobs to get 50+pp in full groups? Crazy.

[Khorza]

Then why play a cleric? How does your trivial damage decrease downtime in full groups?

Because A) The damage isn't trivial, most people do about the same melee damage at those levels, and B) You don't have meditate yet so the additional DPS is probably worth more than the paltry amount of mana you may regenerate by sitting.

Obviously the class evolves and these things change at higher levels. Just like with every other class.

[bum3]

Because A) The damage isn't trivial, most people do about the same melee damage at those levels, and B) You don't have meditate yet so the additional DPS is probably worth more than the paltry amount of mana you may regenerate by sitting.

Obviously the class evolves and these things change at higher levels. Just like with every other class.

My club hits for 8.. melee is hitting for 19. I hit once every 5 or so swings. warrior hits every other. Why wouldn't I just heal the melee twice as often and let him do the damage? Or do I melee and output 1/3 their dmg and make them sit to regain health? Seems off to me.

[Legidias]

With level-dmg cap, no double attack, no criticals, no dual wield, etc. There is 0 reason that a warrior is out damaging you besides you neglecting your weapon skills.

[bum3]

With level-dmg cap, no double attack, no criticals, no dual wield, etc. There is 0 reason that a warrior is out damaging you besides you neglecting your weapon skills.

So many semantics being made without anyone addressing the point. Yours make zero sense. Weapon availability for the classes and str of classes alone debunk yours.

[Khorza]

My club hits for 8.. melee is hitting for 19. I hit once every 5 or so swings. warrior hits every other. Why wouldn't I just heal the melee twice as often and let him do the damage? Or do I melee and output 1/3 their dmg and make them sit to regain health? Seems off to me.

It's easy to figure out.

Determine how much damage you're doing. The starter weapon is 4/30, so you can do up to 8 damage every 3 seconds. Lets say you land 20% of those blows like you claim.

You swing 20 times in a minute. 4 of those land. Most of your hits will be 8, but some will be less. So let's say you did 28 damage in that minute, although I'm sure your actual damage is higher than that.

Now let's see how much mana we "spent" by not sitting.

Without meditate, sitting gives you +1 mana per tick. That's an additional 10 mana per minute.

So you can sit for a minute and gain 10 mana, or you can melee the mob for 28 damage. You're essentially spending 10 mana for 28 damage.

Now if you're a super pro, you can sit between attacks and get sitting mana regeneration ticks AND damage on the mob but let's not go that crazy.

Without pro strats you're essentially spending 10 mana for 28 damage, or 2.8 damage per mana.

Let's see how this compares to other classes.

At level 8 Wizards get Fire Bolt. This spell does about 48 damage for 40 mana, or 1.2 damage per mana.

So, by meleeing you're getting better damage:mana efficiency than a chain-nuking Wizard.

[bum3]

It's easy to figure out.

Determine how much damage you're doing. The starter weapon is 4/30, so you can do up to 8 damage every 3 seconds. Lets say you land 20% of those blows like you claim.

You swing 20 times in a minute. 4 of those land. Most of your hits will be 8, but some will be less. So let's say you did 28 damage in that minute, although I'm sure your actual damage is higher than that.

Now let's see how much mana we "spent" by not sitting.

Without meditate, sitting gives you +1 mana per tick. That's an additional 10 mana per minute.

So you can sit for a minute and gain 10 mana, or you can melee the mob for 28 damage. You're essentially spending 10 mana for 28 damage.

Now if you're a super pro, you can sit between attacks and get sitting mana regeneration ticks AND damage on the mob but let's not go that crazy.

Without pro strats you're essentially spending 10 mana for 28 damage, or 2.8 damage per mana.

Let's see how this compares to other classes.

At level 8 Wizards get Fire Bolt. This spell does about 48 damage for 40 mana, or 1.2 damage per mana.

So, by meleeing you're getting better damage:mana efficiency than a chain-nuking Wizard.

If you are healing yourself sure. But if you are healing someone who is doing 2-3x the damage as you and making it so they don't have to sit to regain health then no. A melee hits for 19. misses half with a 50 delay wep. You are roughly spending 10 mana for 114 damage or 11.4 dmg per mana. But he will still have to sit with cleric sitting some. So you could even reduce that by half. 5.7dmg per mana. Minus your 2.8 is 2.9.. so you still come out ahead by sitting.

[Kapyong]

Indeed :(

My enjoyment of EQ nostalgia was rather dampened by the surprising amount of greed I suffered.

Generous, friendly, community-oriented people were there, but not very many.

[Sizar]

If you are healing yourself sure. But if you are healing someone who is doing 2-3x the damage as you and making it so they don't have to sit to regain health then no. A melee hits for 19. misses half with a 50 delay wep. You are roughly spending 10 mana for 114 damage or 11.4 dmg per mana. But he will still have to sit with cleric sitting some. So you could even reduce that by half. 5.7dmg per mana. Minus your 2.8 is 2.9.. so you still come out ahead by sitting.

You're just not understanding. We are talking low low levels here. Unless your group is chain pulling res cons that take down a warrior in 5 hits, your heals are needed as top ups after the fight, the fight in which you should be meleeing like even the robed casters should be doing. Doing this for 5-6 levels will more than pay for your spells and kit you out in full cloth armor too

[Valion]

Shrug I rarely loot in groups unless told to. If a mage word drops I will ask for it but whatever. If I need plat I just solo.

[Muggens]

Turn autosplit off, I didn't even want your copper on day 1.

[Enshadowed]

They're the players who don't turn on autosplit when everyone else does.

I've always kept it off for monks. Copper's heavy, yo.

[Sweeper41]

Every group seems to have them - one player who loots 50% of the bodies or shamelessly jumps the line in alpha looting ("oops, I forgot the alphabet"). They're the players who don't turn on autosplit when everyone else does.

How do you handle greedy players in your groups?


Only thing autosplit does for a group is weigh everyone down with copper.

[TheRusty]

Every group seems to have them - one player who loots 50% of the bodies or shamelessly jumps the line in alpha looting ("oops, I forgot the alphabet"). They're the players who don't turn on autosplit when everyone else does.

How do you handle greedy players in your groups?

Alright so, first a lesson in classic economics. EQ classic economics at least: Autosplit is flaming garbage

• it splits the number of coins, not the value of the coinage
• it does so as strictly fairly as it can
• If it cannot split an amount strictly fairly, that amount goes to the person doing the looting.

So, say you're in a six-man group. You kill a gnoll and the gnoll has 2p, 4g, 12s and 10 CP on its body.

The person who clicks to loot is receiving 2p, 4g, 2s, and 5C as their split
Everyone else is getting 0p, 0g, 2s, and 1c as theirs
"boy these gnolls sure are broke!" they laugh.

Additionally, coin has weight, meaning that you're burdening all the casters (and the monks!) with their body's weight worth of copper, totally a whopping five GP at the bank.

Of your group is dead serious about maximizing coinage gains? turn off autosplit and put all loots on alpha rotation.

If you want fairness, designate a master looter who will harvest all the coin and drops, sell, and then manually split the take six ways with the /split command (which again, will favor him in the case of remainders, but it's far more evenly-distributed than autosplit will produce.)

In the case of people who mix up loot orders? Well, mistakes do happen. However if they happen chronically, they aren't mistakes, they're violations. Call the person out on it, and if they persist? boot 'em. They don't have a right to your group.

[Muggens]

Havent seen any ninjalooting or "greedy" behavior in this "game", OP is a manchild aka crybaby

[lowner411]

This … is a Blue problem. Blue is such a mature server that if a new player could loot all the rusties to sell, because the other players were twinked alts who didn't need rusties for their economy. There was no problem with ninja looting. Now … everyone's poor, and everyone wants rusty weapons, at least at the start. (My character has been looting the meat left on wolves, casts, and bears to sell--he's that poor, and it stacks.)

[jakeojohnson]

If I just give you 50 copper can I turn off autosplit?

[Lamil]

This … is a Blue problem. Blue is such a mature server that if a new player could loot all the rusties to sell, because the other players were twinked alts who didn't need rusties for their economy. There was no problem with ninja looting. Now … everyone's poor, and everyone wants rusty weapons, at least at the start. (My character has been looting the meat left on wolves, casts, and bears to sell--he's that poor, and it stacks.)

Those chunks of meat are free food! I haven't had to buy food just from the stacks of chunks of meat I got while lvling