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Neverwinter27
11-05-2019, 04:49 PM
Planning on rolling a warrior tank as a Dwarf on Teal and putting all starting stats into dex for a total of 115 base dex. My aim is to have as much proc frequency to counteract the aggro issues this class seems to have based on the topics I've read about. My question is would this be a viable path to my build strategy, or would it be too much of a loss in Stamina during my journey to 60 to be worth doing?

Legidias
11-05-2019, 05:16 PM
End game aggro is based around clickies (even now in classic you can get nets in perma, i believe) with procs and such just helping to stabilize.

As an FYI, max dex is generally believed to increase your procs from 1/min (base, standard) to 2/min. So it's up to you to decide how useful that is when on average you will only proc once or twice a fight anyways.

NegaStoat
11-05-2019, 06:49 PM
I've never heard of a raiding Warrior player ever say they made a mistake going max Stamina.

BlackBellamy
11-05-2019, 06:49 PM
counteract the aggro issues this class seems to have based on the topics I've read about.

Dorf stamina all the way. Only Ogre has spare points IMO.

Warriors don't have aggro problems, it's everyone else. The amount of sheer incompetency out there is staggering right now. I had a pug where the Necro would just fear stuff off the tank then everyone is chasing it, had a Chanter sit down to get aggro so pet would attack and meanwhile they needed healing every fight, had the Bard keep attacking after drawing aggro while yelling for help, it's just nuts.

Teach your casters to keep your target rooted and stay toe to toe. Anyone draws aggro, kick them :)

Neverwinter27
11-05-2019, 07:30 PM
Ok, full Stamina Ogre it is then!

Invalid_Bard
11-05-2019, 09:53 PM
Ok, full Stamina Ogre it is then!

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

Troxx
11-06-2019, 01:04 AM
I went full dex on my 60 dwarf warrior and have never regretted it. I will cap 255 stamina raid buffed with few minor upgrades and by no means am I superbly well geared.

Hitting 255 dex with just focus is a huge boon and that higher proc rate while leveling was incredibly useful.

Clicky procs give you a jump start but on a long fight your weapon procs are what will keep you in the lead.

Siege
11-06-2019, 01:32 AM
Planning on rolling a warrior tank as a Dwarf on Teal and putting all starting stats into dex for a total of 115 base dex. My aim is to have as much proc frequency to counteract the aggro issues this class seems to have based on the topics I've read about. My question is would this be a viable path to my build strategy, or would it be too much of a loss in Stamina during my journey to 60 to be worth doing?

Warriors have the best stamina-to-HP coefficient in the game. If there's any class that truly warrants putting all of your starting points into stamina, it's warrior.

Baler
11-06-2019, 11:19 AM
My 2 cents..

If you plan to take this warrior all the to end game velious raiding (regardless of race)
Put all your bonus points into DEX

You'll thank me later

aaezil
11-06-2019, 11:23 AM
Go max stamina. In groups use root tanking and stand closest in raids use aggro clicke.

bigjeff100
11-06-2019, 11:23 AM
As a 58 Troll Warrior who didn't put all his points into dex- Put all your points into DEX!!!

Troxx
11-07-2019, 10:24 AM
On live in the velious era clear through until well past DoDH the key difference between a stellar warrior and an average warrior wasn’t 100-300hp, it was aggro. Warriors who had it in spades thrived and were actively sought out for groups/raids. It got a lot easier over time with weapon affinity AAs and augments. I mained a warrior in this era.

We won’t have those things. On P99 we’re stuck with simply your dexterity and your choice of weapon use. Part of my dwarf choice was smaller size and fashion but the biggest was high comparative starting dex while still having decent stamina.

Yes you can stack dex and focus. You can beg for a boon to boost further but being able to just ask for stam/focus/aego/haste/DS (that’s it) and be fully tank buffed is worth its weight in gold.

If I’d gone full stamina geared as is I’d have about 150 more hp - 2.7% more total when I already have enough to more than easily function. With 2 gear upgrades that extra stamina starting would mean nothing.

Balancing dexterity on gear is a lot harder than stamina.

Focus/stamina has me at 255/229/255

Chardy
11-07-2019, 01:11 PM
My 2 cents..

If you plan to take this warrior all the to end game velious raiding (regardless of race)
Put all your bonus points into DEX

You'll thank me later

This.

Dogma
11-07-2019, 01:17 PM
Went all dex with my iksar warrior and fully recommend it. I know at least two other warriors who did the same.

Troxx
11-07-2019, 02:52 PM
With defensive you can consider that 5k buffed hp is enough to consistently tank pretty much all content. More always makes it more comfortable/safe. 5k as a 60 raiding warrior isn’t very hard to achieve with some entry level gear. I’m sitting at 5600 but I also have a few pieces that are absolutely shit. Physically surviving mobs is not hard.

The only down side to having high dex is that I have to be really careful assisting when not tanking. I can’t use any of my aggro weapons or I WILL end up at the top. It’s not a matter of IF ... it’s a matter of WHEN even if the tank is using WS/Trident/Epic. Even assisting with low aggro weapons, I have to be careful if it has a proc it can be a problem if a lower dex tank is at the plate.

After the spell/aggro nerf those mallets etc are anything but an aggro lock. It gives a strong initial boost but on a 3-5 minute or longer proc a warrior not properly geared (weapons) and/or with low dex is at risk of losing aggro even after a 5 mallet-charge dump.

For the non-raid environment dex importance goes up. Fights are shorter and you’re less likely to have or beg the buffs to get to 255. The extra stamina in small raids and groups is less of an issue. Unless your gear is crap or you’re under leveled, having enough hp to make using complete heal viable/efficient is more or less a given. More important is having the kind of strong threat such that the healer isn’t having to constantly top off the not-tanks.

Protip: I bind my disarm key to kick so I have it firing often. I don’t know how much aggro it generates specifically but it is noticeable. More than a few times I have peeled aggro off the raid MT using a gimpy 30/35 2hander if I spam kick/disarm. If I don’t spam, I’m always safe.

Bind disarm to slam/kick. It helps when you’re at the tanking plate, whether group or raid.