TRAIN Warnings

[Seungkyu]

I've been grouped at the Upper Guk Froglok Lord room a few times, and often times the group ends up saying "Run!" "Train it!"
Now I personally like getting a heads up when someone is training past me, so I often go to the one way entrance/exit of Lord room (Warden Camp) and say/shout TRAIN WARDEN.

What this has resulted in is me getting cussed out, petitioned, people sending me hate tells.
I even had a GM come up to me today, and after I explained said "ok np" and poofed.

A group mate said in China it's better to leave it alone when you see a baby on the crosswalk due to liability issues.
Is China right about Hong Kong? I mean we have to maximize our profit margin right?

In any case, it's definitely not helping out my reputation. I've had friends telling me "My group hates you"

Should I keep warning people, or just ghost em?

[aaezil]

If someone yells at you for doing the polite thing (warning of train) the they are the dickheads not you

[Jeni]

I'd love to but only 6 hotkey buttons sorry! Need to strafe run my exp > anyone elses please pay attention to your screen the world is full of dangers

[Danth]

Most players seem to assume that whoever calls a train must have started it. For that reason I pretty well never call trains when I see them anymore. Don't see it as worth the fuss.

Danth

[Wallicker]

Never train fight and die or prevail with honor

[Balimon]

It was my understanding that training out without warning was a suspendable offense? I don't see how there's any choice in the matter. Even if it's not required, I think it's pretty bad form to not let people know.

[Veeshan31]

The people don’t hate you because your calling the train. They hate you because you are training them. If you train out enough times that you thought you needed to make this post, then stop trying camps you can’t handle. Especially something like the lord, where if you try to get out, your going to take another group down with you.

[Videri]

If you train, you should warn people. If someone else trains you, and you also flee, and no one else has warned of the train, you should warn people. And yeah, sometimes people respond with anger. And surely we all understand why. It usually makes me very uncomfortable when others direct anger at me. Perhaps you feel the same. I think I'm getting better at not letting it upset me, though.

But there is also another option, which is, if you mess up when doing a camp and fleeing would result in training other people and causing them to die, you just stand your ground and die.

And there's even one more option, which is to play the game in an extremely meticulous and cautious way so as to minimize the possibility of having to flee. Obviously, no one can manage to do this every time, but I think many players take unnecessary risks.

The better we play, the less we train those around us.

[getlostgreg]

You could make an ambiguous macro.

/shout Watch out some dude is training the zone!

[aaezil]

Most players seem to assume that whoever calls a train must have started it. For that reason I pretty well never call trains when I see them anymore. Don't see it as worth the fuss.

Danth

Found the dick sending you angry tells

Call your trains people.

[Videri]

You could make an ambiguous macro.

/shout Watch out some dude is training the zone!

Haha! I got a laugh out of this! But also...veeeeeeery clever.

[Danth]

Found the dick sending you angry tells

Call your trains people.

Are you suggesting you think I'm a jerk because I no longer feel like helpfully calling other players' trains when I see 'em go past then getting blamed for it?

[Videri]

The people don’t hate you because your calling the train. They hate you because you are training them. If you train out enough times that you thought you needed to make this post, then stop trying camps you can’t handle. Especially something like the lord, where if you try to get out, your going to take another group down with you.

This guy said what I tried to say.

[pink grapefruit]

I'd love to but only 6 hotkey buttons sorry! Need to strafe run my exp > anyone elses please pay attention to your screen the world is full of dangers

[Seungkyu]

Is there any point in standing my ground and dying if another group member is going to run anyway?

I'm playing a rogue, I just warned the group 3 times about invisible wall, careful of this and that. Someone accidentally pulls. TRAIN!

Heck I even predicted that train would happen so I told a member of the other group to look out.


You could make an ambiguous macro.

/shout Watch out some dude is training the zone!

This is pretty genius. :p

[Danger]

I'd love to but only 6 hotkey buttons sorry! Need to strafe run my exp > anyone elses please pay attention to your screen the world is full of dangers

Most based and correct answer

[Brut]

Way more triggered when some dude sprint through me with mobs without saying anything. At least if you call the train, I can react and move/run. If you just drop a bunch of necromancers/shamans on me, I'm probably just dead.

[Lulz Sect]

/shouts whOOoooooOOOpSS!!!!!!!

[Gustoo]

Instead of solving problems we now wonder how they were solved in 1999 so we can do it the period correct way.

[Phaezed-Reality]

A group mate said in China it's better to leave it alone when you see a baby on the crosswalk due to liability issues.
Is China right about Hong Kong? I mean we have to maximize our profit margin right?



<--grp mate who said this.

[Gatorsmash]

Voted no.

If a troll SK runs past you AND I'm not running towards the shitter, people get what they get if you sit back down to med

[Cen]

Just act confused and angry at where did this train come from!?? Just like everyone else. As long as we all agree we have no idea where it came from we good. THOSE CRAZY TEENAGERS

[Madbad]

If you warn people you will get reported.

Sad truth.

[Baler]

I think if possible a /ooc or /shout "train to X zl" is proper etiquette

However there are scenarios when to preserve ones own life this is not possible and sadly there are accidents.

[flacidpenguin]

Bring an enchanter and dont cause so many trains.

[curtischoy]

You could make an ambiguous macro.

/shout Watch out some dude is training the zone!

I really like this and laughed way too hard at it.

[bum3]

If you train more than once in a hour then you are trying to do something more than you can handle. Go to a easier spot/place. It's always the same groups/people who are training every few minutes. They think they are still on blue and twinked out.

[Jimjam]

Probably just emote a link to the Daniel "Whoopsie Daisy" gif.

[BlackBellamy]

I yell train when there is no train. I have three very apologetic macros that I use to spike up the excitement level once in a while.

/shout OMG so sorry massive train to zone!

[westarcher]

Its polite to warn for trains, but people that get buttmad about trains warned or not must be new to everquest or something.

Trains are classic and forever an integral part of eq

[Squidronius]

I think everyone was sore from those people who've been spending hours at a time training upper guk. I really prefer when people call out trains but that stuff gets the rage flowing in people. That said trains are a part of the game but if you call them then at least I have a chance to get out of the way.

[Raclen]

They should just make training legal and it would fix a lot of problems. A good passive aggressive way to PvP.

[Rooj]

It was my understanding that training out without warning was a suspendable offense?

Hum, weird. I coulda swore this was written somewhere, but can't find it. Maybe it was removed.

[Morratiz]

Sometimes you just don't have the option to shout your trains. You're 20% health trying to weave your way through corridors you dont have a macro for your specific camp set up so a vague "Train to zone" In a place like guk where trains can go 2-4 different routes to potentially 3 different zonelines doesn't really help much imo. Trains are an unavoidable consequence of hunting in dungeons. It sucks no one likes to die to trains but I don't understand why people go from 0-100 instantly from dying to a train like the guy is some trashcan that could have absolutely prevented your death.

I think what a lot of people mean when they get upset at trains is "why didn't you just die" they just don't want to say it.

[bum3]

I think what a lot of people mean when they get upset at trains is "why didn't you just die" they just don't want to say it.

Exactly... why is your experience worth more than the multiple people you will kill with it? Why do you keep trying a room you have trained 3x? If it's once.. sure. It happens. But repeatedly it's almost on purpose. You are purposely trying harder content than you can handle.

[Puluin]

100% solution:
Never train. Always stand and die.
After all, if you're dead too, it couldn't have been your train. :)

[Raclen]

Exactly... why is your experience worth more than the multiple people you will kill with it? Why do you keep trying a room you have trained 3x? If it's once.. sure. It happens. But repeatedly it's almost on purpose. You are purposely trying harder content than you can handle.

If you don't know why your own experience is more important than other people's experience you are going about competitive play the wrong way.

[Seungkyu]

I have a feeling this thread will come up again with Kunark and Karnor's Castle.

100% solution:
Never train. Always stand and die.
After all, if you're dead too, it couldn't have been your train. :)

If you get trained, do you stand still and just die in case you train someone else with the train trained on you?

[Morratiz]

Exactly... why is your experience worth more than the multiple people you will kill with it? Why do you keep trying a room you have trained 3x? If it's once.. sure. It happens. But repeatedly it's almost on purpose. You are purposely trying harder content than you can handle.

You keep trying to push this narrative that every train is the result of blatant incompetence. Not every train is the same group trying and failing for the third time to break a camp lol. I feel like you've had a bad experience with trains and cant separate your anecdotal experience with the issue as a whole. There's no need to strawman literally no one here thinks that repeatedly training over and over is an excusable thing.

[Zheta]

Choo choo!!

[Tethler]

Usually if I'm training, I don't have time to be typing out some message and I don't train frequently enough that it warrants creating a hotkey. I just apologize after the fact. /shrug

[cd288]

You keep trying to push this narrative that every train is the result of blatant incompetence. Not every train is the same group trying and failing for the third time to break a camp lol. I feel like you've had a bad experience with trains and cant separate your anecdotal experience with the issue as a whole. There's no need to strawman literally no one here thinks that repeatedly training over and over is an excusable thing.

I feel like you've never been in Mistmoore or Unrest :P

[CHusk2]

Personally I appreciate the heads up. Some guy just trained right past my group in Befallen tonight with not a shout or ooc to be seen. Got everybody killed.

As a guy who works in China, yeah it's all about liability. A few years ago people used to say if you hit somebody, just finish the job. It's cheaper to pay for a funeral then legal fees/liability.

[Phaezed-Reality]

sorry if you are going to sit in the hallway infront of lord to maximize your pulls instead of tucking away. in a safe spot, actually maximizing exp with longer pulls to avoid the exp loss of the constant trains. You are playing the game wrong.

This has been a public service announcement from hey, learn to play.

[Morratiz]

I feel like you've never been in Mistmoore or Unrest :P

Just confirming the feels over reals here

[bum3]

You keep trying to push this narrative that every train is the result of blatant incompetence. Not every train is the same group trying and failing for the third time to break a camp lol. I feel like you've had a bad experience with trains and cant separate your anecdotal experience with the issue as a whole. There's no need to strawman literally no one here thinks that repeatedly training over and over is an excusable thing.

I think that you cannot read. I covered the non-incompetence in my post you quoted.

[bum3]

If you don't know why your own experience is more important than other people's experience you are going about competitive play the wrong way.

Competitive play in a 20 year old game that you already lost 1000's of times in 100's of pop up classic servers? I play competitively in competitive games. IE FPS and Mobas. But sure be competitive in a PVE game. Where the competition who wins everything doesn't have jobs or family or saved up their weeks of vacation for a launch of a video game.

[bum3]

You want to point out my personal experience and not getting passed it? Let me elaborate. There are essentially 4 types of trains. 1. Ench charm breaks during a red mob in a pet group. Which happens a lot since there are tons of enchanters doing this (which isn't classic). 2. Same group keeps training over and over because they can't handle the area they want. 3. Occasional train due to really bad pull, LD, or being trained themselves (most people, including myself, are very understanding and forgiving on this one). 4. Melees leaving the zone after a group break and just taking every mob on the way by with them. Unfortunately most trains are 1, 2, and 4 and not 3. And when a zone is being trained multiple times an hour... it's almost always the same people leading the train. Correct me if I am wrong... but category 3 is usually the people who announce train.

[Phaezed-Reality]

it's almost like i smell classic launch is to hard for people, Did you guys not expect dungeon trains like crazy? only 4% of the people i have ran into in guk are anything but do nothing sandbag exp leachers. They don't know how to play the game. Did you take that into account when you choose the most populated dungeon on antonica?

Cause there are plenty of spots to exp, where u dont reverse exp.... its actually faster to get less exp per kill than die to constant trains. Again i will say.

This has been a public service announcement by, hey learn to play.

[cd288]

You want to point out my personal experience and not getting passed it? Let me elaborate. There are essentially 4 types of trains. 1. Ench charm breaks during a red mob in a pet group. Which happens a lot since there are tons of enchanters doing this (which isn't classic). 2. Same group keeps training over and over because they can't handle the area they want. 3. Occasional train due to really bad pull, LD, or being trained themselves (most people, including myself, are very understanding and forgiving on this one). 4. Melees leaving the zone after a group break and just taking every mob on the way by with them. Unfortunately most trains are 1, 2, and 4 and not 3. And when a zone is being trained multiple times an hour... it's almost always the same people leading the train. Correct me if I am wrong... but category 3 is usually the people who announce train.

1 should essentially fall into the same bucket as 3. It's just the occasional bad luck situation.

[Danth]

You want to point out my personal experience and not getting passed it? Let me elaborate. There are essentially 4 types of trains. 1. Ench charm breaks during a red mob in a pet group. Which happens a lot since there are tons of enchanters doing this (which isn't classic). 2. Same group keeps training over and over because they can't handle the area they want. 3. Occasional train due to really bad pull, LD, or being trained themselves (most people, including myself, are very understanding and forgiving on this one). 4. Melees leaving the zone after a group break and just taking every mob on the way by with them. Unfortunately most trains are 1, 2, and 4 and not 3. And when a zone is being trained multiple times an hour... it's almost always the same people leading the train. Correct me if I am wrong... but category 3 is usually the people who announce train.

There's a very valid 5th reason: Trains which happen when monsters fall through the floor or warp through the ceiling because P99's Z-axis calculation stinks and seemingly keeps getting worse with every attempt to fix it.

Danth

[bum3]

There's a very valid 5th reason: Trains which happen when monsters fall through the floor or warp through the ceiling because P99's Z-axis calculation stinks and seemingly keeps getting worse with every attempt to fix it.

Danth


My experience with that is select areas and pulling/mob moving passed that area. Easily remedied by fighting it on spawn point.