Insanity :10 hours per manastone, there's like 12 people on the list now

[Jimjam]

I'm heading to Guk for some free bags, boys!

[AgentEpilot]

You stay the hell away from the wholesale bagathon! But yea this is why I will pretend I have a manastone while my shaman uses canni, no way some pixels worth 30 hours of being on.

[worm4real]

https://i.imgur.com/iiUm2fP.jpg
This painting won't leave my head when I think about people farming the manastone.

[kjs86z]

diabeetus

[Mirakk82]

Why are there still threads about this? Yes the manastone camp is stupid. Before the list system was implemented, it was going to be even more stupid.

If you aren't up for a completely ridiculous 20+ hour camp, you signed up for the wrong item. Just accept you won't have one at that point. Or am I being unreasonable here?

[DMN]

Why are there still threads about this? Yes the manastone camp is stupid. Before the list system was implemented, it was going to be even more stupid.

If you aren't up for a completely ridiculous 20+ hour camp, you signed up for the wrong item. Just accept you won't have one at that point. Or am I being unreasonable here?

Prolly because it's not classic and having to camp something for 50-60 hours is dumb as fuck.

[Morlaeth]

yawn took me 36 hours

[Mirakk82]

It's also not classic having knowledge that an item is so OP that it gets removed from the game later and will be sold for extravagant amounts of coin. Can play that game all day. I'm just saying, who honestly thought they were going to get a quick in and out Manastone in like 2-5 hours?

[Kaedain]

Imo server should just give every item to a character on creation , you start at level 50, then after you kill your first mob the game freezes “ you’ve beat Everquest” game deletes itself .. done

Choose your mob wisely

[Amatsu]

Yes lets all work as a community to not press that maybe 12 hours is not reasonable but 100 hours is reasonable, thats one way to get through to the devs.

I should quit my job, become insanely physically ill for staying up for 3-4 days staring at this beautiful stone wall, all because I desire to keep a single item for myself.

Meanwhile account sharers are pushing onto their literal third stone, wow they sure deserve it! Not people like me who put the 18 hours of work in!

Definitely not!

[jacob54311]

Yes lets all work as a community to not press that maybe 12 hours is not reasonable but 100 hours is reasonable, thats one way to get through to the devs.

I should quit my job, become insanely physically ill for staying up for 3-4 days staring at this beautiful stone wall, all because I desire to keep a single item for myself.

Meanwhile account sharers are pushing onto their literal third stone, wow they sure deserve it! Not people like me who put the 18 hours of work in!

Definitely not!

Or just not worry so much about being uber and having a manastone.

[Spock2020]

Maybe some will say to themselves what am I doing here am I insane to want that manastone that badly and convince themselves that their classes don't need a manastone much except druid and cleric.

[Jimjam]

Yes lets all work as a community to not press that maybe 12 hours is not reasonable but 100 hours is reasonable, thats one way to get through to the devs.

I should quit my job, become insanely physically ill for staying up for 3-4 days staring at this beautiful stone wall, all because I desire to keep a single item for myself.

Meanwhile account sharers are pushing onto their literal third stone, wow they sure deserve it! Not people like me who put the 18 hours of work in!

Definitely not!

Its an mmo. Not sure why you think people using teamwork should be less succesful than those going solo...

[Expediency]

Pretty simple formula boys:

(Amount of time needed to get a manastone) >>> (Amount of time saved by owning a manastone)

[Keza]

At the rate manastone drops [...] Never was this hard to get

Proof?

You people need to get some different interests. I haven't even logged on in two weeks. The world is still turning and nobody cares that I haven't hit level 8 yet. They sure as shit don't care about whether or not you have a manastone, let alone whatever bullshit argument you have to 'prove' that you 'deserve' it.

Either chill or camp manastone. You can't do both. That's the Everquest way. All the complaining in the world isn't going to get you your bottlenecked epic and raid drops. Just enjoy it for what it is. Trying to change things to suit your own desires is a waste of time. Unless you're a critic. In which case it earns you money but still impacts nothing.

Having people help you camp it on a second monitor is certainly annoying, but ironically still classic. The only people who've never asked their friend to help them get an item are those who have no friends.

I think it’s hilarious to think account sharing is not on the same level as RMT but hey if you got the cash to hire out some people to log into your account for 40+ hrs straight

Oh.. how embarrassing.

[Meiva]

Manastone is lame. The price it fetches when it becomes legacy is not so lame. The true value in manastone is the price it fetches. It shouldn't ever become legacy.

Also, so many people plan to sell it down the road. I did. Now I dont think there will be buyers. Why blow your plat on a mostly useless, not enjoyable, item when you're rerolling on Green2 soon enough. That plat is better spent of fun things.

Horde it to sell on Blue, but why? Blue is a museum. Looking forward to blue custom content, but manastone surely to remain useless. We also dont know whether staff might change their merger idea, or if they do merge if they may treat legacy items differently.

Any how. It would be nice for there not to be a rush to nab a manastone. Just keep the drop in game. What does it break? Naggy maybe? We can clearly see we already broke Naggy in many many ways.

[jacob54311]

Looking forward to blue custom content,

They're doing this?

[enjchanter]

Manastone is fucking useless

[SamwiseRed]

I've been at the manastone camp for 29 hours currently, and have been awake for a total of 37 or so hours.

I am #2 on the list which means ostensibly I need to continue clicking this check box every 5 to 15 mins for the next 10 to 20 hours straight.

This is beyond unhealthy but it is the only way to get one when the other guys just run a roster and sit in camp doing shifts. Its so blatantly obvious watching a toon LD, come back and cast entirely different spells and sit somewhere else for 6 hours+, then the original comes back etc.

I'm a bit afraid for my health but short of sharing accounts there's nothing that can be done except be at this camp for a minimum of 40 hours (MINIMUM) as the drop rate is so unclassic. Pretty soul destroying I gotta say.

Edit: Not knowing how the afk checks work is kinda shit too, the limits are not clearly defined. Running off for a shit, shower, prepare some fucking dogshit unhealthy meal praying this AFK check doesnt boot me from list is mega aids. Craving for the ability to just switch off for 30mins and enjoy a steak haha.

Jesus christ lol

[Splade]

Jesus christ lol

Some people and this fucking game. It's sad as fuck

[Grimstrike]

Some people and this fucking game. It's sad as fuck

"poopsock"

[Chocolope]

This is my favorite thread.

[lordpazuzu]

Jesus christ lol

Did that dude ever get his Manastone? Should someone send the cops to his house for a welfare check and make sure he's still breathing?

[Jazzy]

This is a great read

Such depravity and desperation for a pixel

[Solist]

I did.

117 hours in 6 days spent. Took me 3 days to recover even remotely.

[cd288]

I did.

117 hours in 6 days spent. Took me 3 days to recover even remotely.

Dude you legit risked dying IRL

[bigjeff100]

I've been at the manastone camp for 29 hours currently, and have been awake for a total of 37 or so hours.

I am #2 on the list which means ostensibly I need to continue clicking this check box every 5 to 15 mins for the next 10 to 20 hours straight.

This is beyond unhealthy but it is the only way to get one when the other guys just run a roster and sit in camp doing shifts. Its so blatantly obvious watching a toon LD, come back and cast entirely different spells and sit somewhere else for 6 hours+, then the original comes back etc.

I'm a bit afraid for my health but short of sharing accounts there's nothing that can be done except be at this camp for a minimum of 40 hours (MINIMUM) as the drop rate is so unclassic. Pretty soul destroying I gotta say.

Edit: Not knowing how the afk checks work is kinda shit too, the limits are not clearly defined. Running off for a shit, shower, prepare some fucking dogshit unhealthy meal praying this AFK check doesnt boot me from list is mega aids. Craving for the ability to just switch off for 30mins and enjoy a steak haha.


Dude holy fuck.. This is the shit i'm talking about.. The fact people go to these lengths is frightening! You literally are stating how unhealthy it is for you to be doing what you're doing, but you don't seem to understand it's 100% on you.. You're so obsessed that you knowingly are putting your health at risk. Don't blame the game or the system man. You are doing this to yourself..

[bigjeff100]

I gotta double post really quick just to drop another HOLY FUCK!!

[kjs86z]

Someone just might die because of this.

Let that sink in.

Everyone on / considering getting on the list: turn off the computer and go outside.

Also: consider blue today!

[Chocolope]

I did.

117 hours in 6 days spent.

gz, in 7 days you can do it again.

[Videri]

I did.

117 hours in 6 days spent. Took me 3 days to recover even remotely.

For the sake of accuracy, I must point out that Solist did his 117 hours over two separate stints camping the manastone.

https://imgur.com/wIw9bJM

I'm over 110 hours at this god damned camp in 6days, over two stints.

This shit destroys your body and brain. I slept for 12 hours, stayed up for 6 hours then slept for 17 hours straight after the first failure (circa 52 hours in, an afk check box didnt pop so i failed, or it popped somewhere off screen etc).

57 Hours in at the moment and I've had a tiny little 3hr nap while a friend nuked shit and clicked boxes for me

I’m on hour 68 total of manastone camps, 52hrs (fail @ #1 for afk when i wasnt afk) + 4hrs (Passed out/not recovered from first) + 14hrs (current ongoing, suspect it'll be 60ish based on list position.

[bigjeff100]

Someone just might die because of this.

Let that sink in.

Everyone on / considering getting on the list: turn off the computer and go outside.

Also: consider blue today!

Nobody with a healthy mind or body would EVER EVER go to those lengths for a video game.. It's ridiculously sad.

[Chocolope]

Nobody with a healthy mind or body would EVER EVER go to those lengths for a video game.. It's ridiculously sad.

What credentials do you have to make this assessment? Or is it just your opinion?

You seem pretty judgemental, just curious why.

[Firepuff]

Don't know if it is a legit source, but 5 seconds of google gave me this:

https://www.sciencealert.com/health-risks-death-from-sleep-deprivation

[bigjeff100]

What credentials do you have to make this assessment? Or is it just your opinion?

You seem pretty judgemental, just curious why.

Common man, don't be like this.. I guess to answer your question, it's my opinion.. I have no professional credentials to provide you with..

But there is really no need, he provided all the proof needed..

"This shit destroys your body and brain"
"I've been awake for a total of 37 hours"
"I'm a bit afraid for my health"
"Prepare some fucking dogshit unhealthy meal"
"110 hours in 6 days"
"57 hours in, and i've had a 3hr. Nap"
"117 Hours- 3 days to recover even remotely"

Lastly- Losing the mental battle of being able to turn off for 30 minutes to eat a real meal is the nail in the coffin..

When weightlifting. It's suggested to wait at least 48 hours before smashing the same muscle groups...

This dude had no physical activity in numerous days, and the body took more than 3 days to recover.. Do we really need any credentials other than common sense to make such an assesment?

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Dude holy fuck.. This is the shit i'm talking about.. The fact people go to these lengths is frightening! You literally are stating how unhealthy it is for you to be doing what you're doing, but you don't seem to understand it's 100% on you.. You're so obsessed that you knowingly are putting your health at risk. Don't blame the game or the system man. You are doing this to yourself..

Hence the SHITSHOW of thee P99 end-game raid scene:

This is just one individual going to these extreme lengths. Things get much worse when the herd mentality of a large number of people working towards the same end enters the equation!

Green/Teal raiding is going to be absolutely DISGUSTING. Only the most extremely-hardcore players are going to have any chance at end-game loot in the Green/Teal lifetime.

Even after Velious has released the same group of people will still be farming Naggy and Vox. This very same group of people that spent the past 10 years monopolizing all content on Blue.

[cd288]

What credentials do you have to make this assessment? Or is it just your opinion?

You seem pretty judgemental, just curious why.

I'm a bit concerned with your own mental abilities if you think his statement is questionable.

Put it into context. Someone spent over 75% of a 6 day span AWAKE barely engaging in anything physical and eating like shit in order to acquire a legacy item that isn't that useful for many classes and is only useable in the old world, on an emulated server of a 20 year old video game.

There could even be people doing this crazy amount of time for the second or third time who have already done it on the first instance of this emulated server. None of that is rational or logical.

Once they stop dropping and people start selling them, you could probably farm enough plat to just buy one in less than half the time.

[ilgart112]

Hence the SHITSHOW of thee P99 end-game raid scene:

This is just one individual going to these extreme lengths. Things get much worse when the herd mentality of a large number of people working towards the same end enters the equation!

Green/Teal raiding is going to be absolutely DISGUSTING. Only the most extremely-hardcore players are going to have any chance at end-game loot in the Green/Teal lifetime.

Even after Velious has released the same group of people will still be farming Naggy and Vox. This very same group of people that spent the past 10 years monopolizing all content on Blue.

this is why pvp is the only solution

[sentinel]

Pvp Green/Teal would be a madhouse in lower guk

it would be delicious

[Zheta]

Sexual favors for a respectable 25% drop rate off EE itself (even ignoring the placeholders).

[Baler]

Be kind to each other.

[bigjeff100]

Hahaha! Welcome home again B.

[Tiger_King]

Can anyone confirm if Brad McQuaid died while camping the Manastone after 65 hrs of no sleep while sitting on a wooden box?

[jacob54311]

Can anyone confirm if Brad McQuaid died while camping the Manastone after 65 hrs of no sleep while sitting on a wooden box?

Too soon?

[Videri]

PvP would result in at least twice as much whining as there currently is. Things people would complain about if PvP of any kind were enabled:
• Being killed by a higher level character
• Being killed by a player with much better gear than them
• Being killed by a wizard, SK, rogue, or cleric (since no one has MR gear) - aka complaining about EverQuest's class pvp imbalance ("stupid wizards, they're ezmode" / "Stupid SKs, one-button win")
• Being killed by a player using terrain to their advantage (aka cheating)
• Being killed by a player using tactics the victim does not understand (aka hacking)

and MOST OF ALL:
• "They outnumbered us! Zerg losers!"

Add your own!

[Jimjam]

Too soon?

We all considered the plausibility of it.

Another eq dev, whose name unfortunately eludes me (Matt?), unfortunately passed away two days earlier than Brad too.

Killed by what they love?

To be honest I think not, Brad was known for having occasional binge moments. I don't think this was one of them.

[Swish]

this is why pvp is the only solution

If people want to complain they aren't being gifted quick manastones, enable pvp for 24 hours and see what happens.

[Hazek]

PvP would result in at least twice as much whining as there currently is. Things people would complain about if PvP of any kind were enabled:
• Being killed by a higher level character
• Being killed by a player with much better gear than them
• Being killed by a wizard, SK, rogue, or cleric (since no one has MR gear) - aka complaining about EverQuest's class pvp imbalance ("stupid wizards, they're ezmode" / "Stupid SKs, one-button win")
• Being killed by a player using terrain to their advantage (aka cheating)
• Being killed by a player using tactics the victim does not understand (aka hacking)

and MOST OF ALL:
• "They outnumbered us! Zerg losers!"

Add your own!

Lol. Accurate bluebie mentality description is accurate.

[redhorse]

No one wants your PVP server. That's why they are commenting on the new servers that actually exist. Problems? Sure, but PVP isn't the solution.

[Chocolope]

I'm a bit concerned with your own mental abilities if you think his statement is questionable.

Put it into context. Someone spent over 75% of a 6 day span AWAKE barely engaging in anything physical and eating like shit in order to acquire a legacy item that isn't that useful for many classes and is only useable in the old world, on an emulated server of a 20 year old video game.

There could even be people doing this crazy amount of time for the second or third time who have already done it on the first instance of this emulated server. None of that is rational or logical.

Once they stop dropping and people start selling them, you could probably farm enough plat to just buy one in less than half the time.

I'm a bit concerned with your mental abilities writing this blob of text you think I care about or will read.

[zodium]

eq pvp sucks

[sentinel]

it really does

[Fammaden]

eq pvp sucks

[bigjeff100]

I'm a bit concerned with your mental abilities writing this blob of text you think I care about or will read.

Good god.. Find health, find a god, find a therapist, find a psychologist. By all means find your 2nd manastone your strive for, but god damn- Come to terms with the fact it's YOUR mental health we are concerned about.. Soon to be your physical health if it's not already...

TLDR- Don't be a dick hole

[dwmaze]

I'm going to do the community a favor and stand up an emu server tonight where you start at level 35 in lguk. Manastones will drop liberally and everyone who wants one can have one.

Get that manastone, give it a few clicks and scratch that itch. Maybe kill yourself a few times with it. Mmmm, that feels good...

Then get back to enjoying the game.

[Nirgon]

Sorry u won't be the best of the best within your class then

It is determined by singles combat

If you are feeble in that regard, or AFK a lot and cry about getting ganked..
It's not the PVP, it's you

[Chocolope]

Good god.. Find health, find a god, find a therapist, find a psychologist. By all means find your 2nd manastone your strive for, but god damn- Come to terms with the fact it's YOUR mental health we are concerned about.. Soon to be your physical health if it's not already...

TLDR- Don't be a dick hole

No one cares about your unsolicited advice.

[bigjeff100]

I'm going to do the community a favor and stand up an emu server tonight where you start at level 35 in lguk. Manastones will drop liberally and everyone who wants one can have one.

Get that manastone, give it a few clicks and scratch that itch. Maybe kill yourself a few times with it. Mmmm, that feels good...

Then get back to enjoying the game.

MA- Manastone Anonymous.. Somebody needs to setup weekly circles, where these folks can discuss how Manastones have ruined their lives.. Then they get to click the MA's community stone to scratch that itch. Muffins and Milk will be provided at every session.

[bigjeff100]

No one cares about your unsolicited advice.

"What credentials do you have to make this assessment? Or is it just your opinion?

You seem pretty judgemental, just curious why."



Don't be ignorant. You literally asked me about it.

[Chocolope]

"What credentials do you have to make this assessment? Or is it just your opinion?

You seem pretty judgemental, just curious why."



Don't be ignorant. You literally asked me about it.

To which you rambled off more bullshit, now move along boomer.

[bigjeff100]

Take the time to read fool. Quit actin like a jackass. And my names Jeff not Boomer... Pleasure to meet me.

[Chocolope]

Take the time to read fool. Quit actin like a jackass.

You're actually a clown, yikes.

[bigjeff100]

You're actually a clown, yikes.

And you're addicted to a fucking white marble. "Yikes"

[Glasken]

Latest drop info on Teal:

25 hours between Manastone drop (1am PST Nov22nd to 2am PST Nov23rd)

Spawns in order:
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye Stone

EE Spawn chance: 52.9%
Manastone Drop Chance: 3.7%
Total data points: 50

From this we can infer a real spawn chance of 50%, and a drop rate of 5%, if we assume observed rate as being abnormally low, or 2.5% if the drop was abnormally high.

As I move to #1 on the list, I look forward to the numbers backing up my hypothesis that the devs halved the drop rate when the servers split.

And now my watch begins.

[jacob54311]

Latest drop info on Teal:

25 hours between Manastone drop (1am PST Nov22nd to 2am PST Nov23rd)

Spawns in order:
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye Stone

EE Spawn chance: 52.9%
Manastone Drop Chance: 3.7%
Total data points: 50

From this we can infer a real spawn chance of 50%, and a drop rate of 5%, if we assume observed rate as being abnormally low, or 2.5% if the drop was abnormally high.

As I move to #1 on the list, I look forward to the numbers backing up my hypothesis that the devs halved the drop rate when the servers split.

And now my watch begins.

It's impressive how obsessive people get about the minutiae of this game.

I think I played half a year before I started to realize my Ranger wasn't that great at DPS compared to other DPS classes.

[Glasken]

It's impressive how obsessive people get about the minutiae of this game.

I think I played half a year before I started to realize my Ranger wasn't that great at DPS compared to other DPS classes.

The meta of this game, IS the game =)

[YendorLootmonkey]

I think I played half a year before I started to realize my Ranger wasn't that great at DPS compared to other DPS classes.

20 years and counting, here.

[Graahle]

EQ is srs business for many. I think I like the idea of classic EQ more than actually playing it...toon is still level 2 and I probably login once a week. Granted I’m maining AO atm, but still...it’s just an item.

[Lulz Sect]

Don’t feel bad
Took me 8 years of EMU to truly acknowledge the quite real -68% TRL SK XP penalty

[Videri]

ACKCHYUALLY.jpg, it’s +68%.

I’m just concerned people will be confused. You don’t receive 68% less; you require 68% more.

Have you given up on your SK? What are you playing now?

[jacob54311]

20 years and counting, here.

Well, when I started playing they weren't in the same league as Mages, Wizards, rogues etc.

It was a fun class to play though and did a lot of other things so I stuck with it.

[Woodark]

The problem with the current manastone list is that you HAVE to be at your computer for a bare minimum of 30 hours straight without sleep.

Here's the solution:

Rather than having a list system that is first come first serve.... have a system where looting is awarded to the player with the most CONTRIBUTION points. Contribution points are awarded when you have assisted in some way, shape, or form to the EE's death. The player with the most contribution points present when the EE dies gets to loot the manastone, resetting their contribution points to zero. Same rule applies where a player can't start accruing contribution points until a week after looting. Also, AFK check is still needed so a bard can't sit at the camp playing a song and rack up contribution points.

Isn't this how most raids work with "Dragon" points? If you spend 8 hours helping others get a manastone, your contribution should count for something.

[liquidki]

It seems to me that a points system is the most fair and healthy solution versus these 30+ hour camps, but whenever I've seen it mentioned it's simply ignored. What are the downsides to this approach?

[vossiewulf]

Remove the drop, put them on a vendor at 750k.

[Crom]

drop rate of mana stones should be random sometimes you get them fast after each other other times rare, Think pained soul.

here is a link to a old cleric board talking about it: (October 12, 1999)

http://web.archive.org/web/20010226042726/http://www.kmrcs.com/eqcleric/general/msgs/5115.html

(That forum is a good place to find in era posts, it was the old version of EQcleric)

[Hyjalx]

Go back to classic rules and stop trying to polish a turd. Trying to fix the list command without removing it is essentially the same thing.

Not classic Everquest. Putting players thru this will only make them resent playing here.

Wake up.

[suptoofs]

Holiday gift to green/teal players -

One day event, every person who attends gets 1 legacy item per account(I understand people will make additional accounts, I don't know if there is an easy fix to combat that, just freethinking here).

After that FFA normal rules apply. No unhealthy list casualties, no more list. Done. If people want to poopsock/no life the camp after, have fun.

"Mehhhh not classic mehh". There are many not classic features due to the fact we are pieces of shit who can't play nice on a 20 year old elf sim.

[suptoofs]

looked at your avatar and didnt read your post suptoofs

I'm sure you didn't pal.

[TripSin]

Me and my friends share our accounts with each other to farm manastones, don't take this away from us!

[Erati]

Me and my guildies share accounts with each other to farm I mean track dragons, don’t take this away from the server!

[DMN]

What's the logic of even letting people multi-user an account on P99? it certainly wasn't classic and it adds nothing to the game/experience.

[Erati]

What's the logic of even letting people multi-user an account on P99? it certainly wasn't classic and it adds nothing to the game/experience.

Excuse me?

One time long ago I went to my grandparents for Xmas and I totally gave my info to a friend should any PoG armor rot while I was away.

When I returned, he had looted Wiz arms and gloves for me!

Its completely classic to let other people log you in for a variety of reasons.

Nothing at all wrong, it’s your account.

[DMN]

people did do it. They also duped and exploited. It was against the rules. Even in guild it was secret hush, hush type stuff, who was being played by whom. Forbidden to even talk about in any way in game.

[Erati]

people did do it. They also duped and exploited. It was against the rules. Even in guild it was secret hush, hush type stuff, who was being played by whom. Forbidden to even talk about in any way in game.

Did you really compare giving a friend your info to loot an item to duping plat or hacking? :confused:

You must have never played EQ w any RL family, those accounts always passed around.

One time I played my brothers druid (while he slept bc he was younger and couldnt stay up past midnight) so he could remain next up for PoF druid armor on the next spawn. He eventually tagged me out and I went to bed then I woke up next day hearing ab how he got a BP thanks to this.

This was in Classic, makes the current Manastone /list sound pretty classic how it functions minus the unclassic dropprate.

/mic drop

[DMN]

Did you really compare giving a friend your info to loot an item to duping plat or hacking? :confused:

You must have never played EQ w any RL family, those accounts always passed around.

Yes, i compared "things that people did that were against the rules" to " a thing people did that was also against the rules". it's a real stretch, I know.

[Erati]

Yes, i compared "things that people did that were against the rules" to " a thing people did that was also against the rules". it's a real stretch, I know.

The account sharing bit of the rules is in the same breath as At Your Own Risk.

This is the same as speeding 5 miles over, yes you are technically speeding, but are you really.

From what I remember on live, this sort of thing was extremely common to have someone else log you in for some Quest or Item drop.

[korzax]

Yeah, breaking the rules is breaking the rules, even if you are going 5mph

[bubur]

well technically there is a law that prevents you from impeding the flow of traffic, at least in my state

[Tethler]

I mained druid after Kunark on live. Several friends/guildies had my info for porting when I wasn't online. I had several people's cleric logins for rezzing. Classic.

[DMN]

I mained druid after Kunark on live. Several friends/guildies had my info for porting when I wasn't online. I had several people's cleric logins for rezzing. Classic.

Who do you think gives a shit you were a cheater?

[bubur]

tbh i dont really care about this issue but i wanted to post tonight. how ya guys doin?

i have a manastone

[DMN]

tbh i dont really care about this issue but i wanted to post tonight. how ya guys doin?

i have a manastone

I'm sure that Chinese smoke room will enjoy their next rice bowl. A job well done.

[bubur]

I'm sure that Chinese smoke room will enjoy their next rice bowl. A job well done.

xD love u bro

[Tethler]

Who do you think gives a shit you were a cheater?

Who do you think gives a shit that you are mad about people exchanging logins?

[DMN]

Who do you think gives a shit that you are mad about people exchanging logins?

Your mommy and daddy are still probably camping shit for your graying ass. The big boy pants are in the mail.

[Tethler]

Your mommy and daddy are still probably camping shit for your greying ass. The big boy pants are in the mail.

Lol?


Since you seem to be confused, please reread server rules (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651). Account sharing is not against the rules.

I know you won't though because that would including admitting that you're wrong, so here is the relevant part from section 11:

You are responsible for the people you let onto your account. Disciplinary action may be enacted upon your account even if you yourself were not responsible for any rule breaking. Do not share account info if you are not ready to deal with the consequences of someone else's actions.

Account sharing is fine as long as you accept the risks. I can understand why this looks like cheating if you don't have friends. Keep trying though DMN, you'll find someone who can tolerate you someday.

[DMN]

Account sharing is fine as long as you accept the risks. I can understand why this looks like cheating if you don't have friends. Keep trying though DMN, you'll find someone who can tolerate you someday.

Filed under not classic.

[Tethler]

edit: nm, deleting this as this isn't RnF

[feniin]

Filed under not classic.

Filed under: no friends to share accounts with

[waltjig]

Filed under not classic.

Obviously never played the game prior to P99. Or, actually way more likely, had 0 friends back then too. Sad days. Give me your info I’ll camp the stone for you and be your friend

[DMN]

edit: nm, deleting this as this isn't RnF

Filed under: no friends to share accounts with

Obviously never played the game prior to P99. Or, actually way more likely, had 0 friends back then too. Sad days. Give me your info I’ll camp the stone for you and be your friend

Still interested in classic EQ, P99 staff, or in placating the pathetic egos of losers like this?

[waltjig]

Still interested in classic EQ, P99 staff, or in placating the pathetic egos of losers like this?

No but you obviously are. How many posts you got in this thread? Laterz

[Tethler]

Still interested in classic EQ, P99 staff, or in placating the pathetic egos of losers like this?

*has no friends, calls others with friends "losers"*

[DMN]

*has no friends, calls others with friends "losers"*

Hmm. Evidence i have zero friends = 0
Evidence you are losers = 29386234293642936394632694628646293496

you literally have a wigger trekkie avatar. that's like multiplying the biggest losers in existence.

[Tethler]

Hmm. Evidence i have zero friends = 0
Evidence you are losers = 29386234293642936394632694628646293496

you literally have a wigger trekkie avatar. that's like multiplying the biggest losesr in existence.

mkay. :rolleyes:

[bubur]

ill b all of ur frends. lets all b cool

but dont send me a friend invite because ill ignore you tho. this is more of a no-strings attached informal thing, ok? no names

[Visual]

Already seen a dozen people quit because of manastone camp. Most just thinking level to 35 then level an alt to 35 and continue til you have enough manastones to trade later. Pretty sad what the game has been reduced to

[fadetree]

i think it's pretty sad what people will do for a stupid manastone. Anybody that subjects themselves to that idiocy and then ragequits is probably better off not playing so they can focus on whatever dumb crap is their next obsession.

[DMN]

i think it's pretty sad what people will do for a stupid manastone. Anybody that subjects themselves to that idiocy and then ragequits is probably better off not playing so they can focus on whatever dumb crap is their next obsession.

Some people never had a chance to play with a manastone but have done virtually everything else under the sun in EQ. You are playing a 20 year old elf sim. That glass is pretty thin on your house.

[Kaedain]

Rename the game Manastone Quest

[98bcobra]

Solution to all legacy /list camps. Make them like the boxes. World drops off mobs over a certain level. Just make them alot more rare. Maybe certain items only drop in certain regions? This would eliminate the need for /list, people staying up for days on end, account sharing ect. People could play the game level and have a chance at randomly getting the item they are after. Then they stop dropping at the giving time in the progression.

PS i didnt read all 30+ pages so if this was mentioned already sorry.

[Siege]

Some people never had a chance to play with a manastone but have done virtually everything else under the sun in EQ. You are playing a 20 year old elf sim. That glass is pretty thin on your house.

Playing a 20-year-old elf sim is one thing. Sitting at a camp for 24+ hours without bathing because you might miss an AFK check is something else entirely. In pixel sickness terms, the former has pixel flu while the latter has pixel ebola.

I like the list system because it acts as a quarenteen that keeps the terminal case away from the general population.

[Tecmos Deception]

Playing a 20-year-old elf sim is one thing. Sitting at a camp for 24+ hours without bathing because you might miss an AFK check is something else entirely. In pixel sickness terms, the former has pixel flu while the latter has pixel ebola.

I like the list system because it acts as a quarenteen that keeps the terminal case away from the general population.

This is a retarded post. 24 hours is the normal amount of time to go without "bathing" so it's not like going "24+" is automatically making you into some human cesspool. Also, who the fuck doesn't know how to shower in less than 10-12 minutes if they want to?

Someone should "quarenteen" your posting.

[Veeshan31]

This is a retarded post. 24 hours is the normal amount of time to go without "bathing" so it's not like going "24+" is automatically making you into some human cesspool. Also, who the fuck doesn't know how to shower in less than 10-12 minutes if they want to?

Someone should "quarenteen" your posting.

hahaha dunked

also PS teal is going on 30+ hours with no jboot drop

[Bart001]

If you think this is bad, EqReborn server was a lot worse. Manastone was a 1% drop. Spawn chance was about 20%. Average was like 5 real days in between drops. Took me weeks to get one. Worse camp I ever did. This is definitely bad, but it is a walk in the park compared to the reborn server.

[Teppler]

Anyone that saw Drusella camp after Chadrick revamp had to understand that manastone was going to be 10x worse.

[Nore]

Comparing this to any other camp is laughable, I thought I made that clear in my first post that I've done every single 'hardcore' camp there is to do in p99's history, and this is by far significantly harder. Pained soul for 60 hours is a fucking dream, I'll do that ANY day nonstop, as I can have 5min microsleeps, and if I afk 15mins to walk my dog I don't lose my camp. 30 hours straight for verix about 2 months ago was nothing for me, doesnt even rate a mention in the top 20 for shitty camps ive done. This manastone shit is soul destroying and physically demanding.

That said there should be a solution, not whinging.


Possible solutions in my eyes:

Make manastone 2 different items. Make the ones that drop on green and teal no-drop "a manastone" to remove this cross server bullshit for potential server mergers or changes. Make the normal manastone also drop and just be ridiculous rare like spirit wracked cords were. So rare it doesn't rate a mention as a speculative drop, just a nice treat for someone lucky enough.

Add an ability to "/list afk 60" Where you can afk for 60mins and keep your spot on the list and advance on the list without doing afk checks. But you can only do so every 4 hours.

Add an ability to /list afk sleep, where your position gets paused in the list, others can overtake you as the list moves, so you could stay position 5 while sleeping and position 6 goes to 4, as something is looted. Stays current for 8 hours, only able to do once per day.

Make all list positions IP locked. No change of IP allowed. Or MAC address locked so you cant change devices for instance. Or add geofencing to the IP so you cant change IP's from an area (so as an australian in Brisbane I'd need to have someone at least in my city, at least allowing my IP to change at ISP level). You should be one human per camp, not one toon.

Have list position decay if you fail afk checks. So fail a check = knocked back 2 positions from 1 to 3, or 3 to 5 etc. Not from 1 to nonexistent.


I'm actually okay with everything you mentioned. Genuinely.

[Erati]

You can relist.

:eek:

[solleks]

Depending on how close the water heater is to the output i could do a 2 minute shower

[YendorLootmonkey]

Depending on how close the water heater is to the output i could do a 2 minute shower

Amateurs.... just swipe your pits, ass, twig, and berries with a Lysol disinfectant wipe... 30 seconds tops. If it burns, you know it worked.

[Fame]

pve nerds are pathetic

didnt need a 38 page testament to that but here it is

release brown99 pvp server pls

[Exelyon]

WTB 10 hours per mana stone. Teal is approaching 90 hours since the last one dropped.

[Fammaden]

Amateurs.... just swipe your pits, ass, twig, and berries with a Lysol disinfectant wipe... 30 seconds tops. If it burns, you know it worked.

Same wipe on all four, in that order?

[solleks]

Busted

[korzax]

Manastones not guaranteed

[Erati]

WTB 10 hours per mana stone. Teal is approaching 90 hours since the last one dropped.

has to be a troll...90 hrs? Dont believe it.

[Jeni]

Account share like the only people that are actually getting any of the manastones

[DMN]

I've seen at least 4 people I already know have manastones camping another. All of them of course share their account. This system really needs changed. Should have been changed months ago frankly.

[sajbert]

So the rationale for artificially keeping the numbers down through droprate is to be more like classic when manastones were supposedly rare.

Yet today people play the game in an entirely different way than before. How is manastone any different in that regard?

Perhaps it trivializes some content but now it’ll only do so for the most hardcore players who sit 40 hours or more refreshing a prompt box every 10 mins and using account sharing to do so.

If manastone is too good, nerf or remove it from the game. If not, return it to the the original drop rate.

My 2 copper.

[Exelyon]

has to be a troll...90 hrs? Dont believe it.

Not a troll. One dropped Friday morning at 12am-1amest and the next one dropped monday night around 9-10pm est. Around 90 hours. Followed by another one 11 hours after that. The guy who got the one on Monday night was there the entire time, and in the number 1 slot since midday friday. The number 2 guy was there from 3-4am friday and got the 11 hour later one a few hours ago today.

[cd288]

I've seen at least 4 people I already know have manastones camping another. All of them of course share their account. This system really needs changed. Should have been changed months ago frankly.

I fail to see how having a list or not having a list changes account sharing.

[douglas1999]

I mean you are allowed to camp another manastone after a certain amount of time per character aren't you?

[DMN]

I fail to see how having a list or not having a list changes account sharing.

Only account sharing people can currently get an item like manastone. I'm not sure what your point actually is.

[cd288]

Only account sharing people can currently get an item like manastone. I'm not sure what your point actually is.

And how would getting rid of the list solve that issue?

[DMN]

And how would getting rid of the list solve that issue?

I said changed, not "gotten rid of".

[bum3]

Please explain how account sharing isn't easy to keep track of and script block?

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Also, who the fuck doesn't know how to shower in less than 10-12 minutes if they want to?


What you are not taking into account is that the average manastone camper is morbidly obese and "bath time" is a pretty big ordeal which requires a sponge on a stick and the assistance of at least one other person.

[dekova]

What you are not taking into account is that the average manastone camper is morbidly obese and "bath time" is a pretty big ordeal which requires a sponge on a stick and the assistance of at least one other person.

Does insulting other people make you feel better about yourself?

[Cezar]

I'll be very upset when police will block server because someone will die for being awake at PC for more than 3/4 days. That will really upset me.

[Jimjam]

Does insulting other people make you feel better about yourself?

I'm not convinced the average manastone camper is people.

[liquidki]

I mean you are allowed to camp another manastone after a certain amount of time per character aren't you?

I think this is a part of the issue. Make /list items 6 month lockout.

[thedonkdonk]

10 to 20 manastones should drop every kill. Make them as common as bone chips.

[ghoulington]

I got my manastone in an hour of being in position 1. I dont see what the big deal is.

[Castle2.0]

The above poster may be trolling since he posts no logs or screenshots, but it is possible. It happened to me. Less than 1 hour.

[Mon Dec 09 07:46:10 2019] --Karathain has looted a Manastone.--
...
[Mon Dec 09 08:43:11 2019] --You have looted a Manastone.--

[ZiggyTheMuss]

I think this is a part of the issue. Make /list items 6 month lockout.

It really should just be a lifetime lockout per toon, why would someone need more than one manastone per toon or any other legacy item for that matter. 1 week is crazy and seems like the devs are trying to accommodate people trying to save manastones for the eventual blue merge.

[Tethler]

The above poster may be trolling since he posts no logs or screenshots, but it is possible. It happened to me. Less than 1 hour.

[Mon Dec 09 07:46:10 2019] --Karathain has looted a Manastone.--
...
[Mon Dec 09 08:43:11 2019] --You have looted a Manastone.--

Nice, man. Some good luck there!

[Dreenk317]

It really should just be a lifetime lockout per toon, why would someone need more than one manastone per toon or any other legacy item for that matter. 1 week is crazy and seems like the devs are trying to accommodate people trying to save manastones for the eventual blue merge.

It is a lifetime lockout.....

[Smellybuttface]

I've been at the manastone camp for 29 hours currently, and have been awake for a total of 37 or so hours.

I am #2 on the list which means ostensibly I need to continue clicking this check box every 5 to 15 mins for the next 10 to 20 hours straight.

This is beyond unhealthy but it is the only way to get one when the other guys just run a roster and sit in camp doing shifts. Its so blatantly obvious watching a toon LD, come back and cast entirely different spells and sit somewhere else for 6 hours+, then the original comes back etc.

I'm a bit afraid for my health but short of sharing accounts there's nothing that can be done except be at this camp for a minimum of 40 hours (MINIMUM) as the drop rate is so unclassic. Pretty soul destroying I gotta say.

Edit: Not knowing how the afk checks work is kinda shit too, the limits are not clearly defined. Running off for a shit, shower, prepare some fucking dogshit unhealthy meal praying this AFK check doesnt boot me from list is mega aids. Craving for the ability to just switch off for 30mins and enjoy a steak haha.

Thank you Solist for posting this; I honestly laughed out loud after reading it. It’s actually both impressive and scary to imagine people up at their computers this long. I mean it’s a good item, and I’m all for people in my group having one as they’ll be contributing that much more with it, but good god the price to be paid in getting one is nuts. Here’s hoping you eventually got yours.