Spell prices extreme?! Howdy doody!

[EATtheDEAD]

I'm playing a wiztard and I went to buy my level 8 speels. Each one is 4p and some change. I was like "Oh good gravy this is pricey." Sooooooooooooo I went to the archived alakazam EQ1 website to look up prices for the same speles. In original EQ Column of Frost is Mak Ixtaz - 1pp 4sp 9cp in Neriak. On green it is 4pp 2g 3s 8c. Why? What did casters do to deserve such a high increase of pricings?! I am so damn broke all the damn time.

Yes, I pick up every single thing I kill. Sell all da bone cheeps stacks, sell all da weepons and armours. I sell all da alochols! ALL DA LOOTS I SELL!!!! I turn in lizards for money. I sold my friend to a troll for money! I still have no moneys because I buy spells! NO I DONT BUY ALL SPEELS! JUST DAMAGE HIGH DAMAGE OH GOD!!!!

[Neverwinter27]

Do you have low charisma

[Lordgordon]

Howdy doody is right and im in full agreeance upon you

[EATtheDEAD]

Do you have low charisma

CHA is 60, but I made another darkie with 95 CHA to see if the price changed whatsoever and it didn't. Still over 4plat and a complete deep dick to the caster community. Now, if I need 100+ charisma to get to a normal price relative to the actual original EQ then that is a bad feature. Cause I know for a hot sexy minute that I never needed a load of CHA back in the day to get my spells at normal price.

[Arcticflava]

incoherent toddler babble

Yikes

[Swish]

Sell CB or DF belts, all is well.

[EATtheDEAD]

Yikes

Hello friend,

I write this reply to you to inform you that, indeed, my toddler had acquired access to my keyboard. Now keep in mind my toddler, being two years old, is very advanced at using technology and has a strange obsession with Everquest. Which was created decades before his birth, mind you. He also has a pretty good ability at speaking and writing English, and is a natural shit poster.

Though his method of communicating his thoughts and opinions can be divisive I must agree with his message. The current state of spell costs is obscenely high, and I concur it must be brought in proper line with the original costs of said game.

Sincerely,

Toddler Babbles Dad

[EATtheDEAD]

Sell CB or DF belts, all is well.

Nope. Band aid on a gunshot wound.

[pink grapefruit]

what does howdy doody mean?

also spell prices being crippling for casters is super classic. deal.

[EATtheDEAD]

what does howdy doody mean?

also spell prices being crippling for casters is super classic. deal.

DID YA READ THE OP...... *nicholas cage face meme*

[Spock2020]

Yeah I was shock too when I went for my see invisible on my wiz and it was 5pp and change for a level 4 spell all the other 1 were just over 1pp.

[solleks]

Usually only need like 2 expensive spells per spell level anyways

[cd288]

Do you have low charisma

Charisma wouldn't account for that amount of difference for a low level spell. Some spells are more expensive than others of their level.

OP's post is interesting though. Would be interested to see if there are a good number of spells that are listed as cheaper in the classic era than they are on P99.

[DarkwingDuck]

Completely agree. Each spell level is over 100plat. Ridiculous.

[mcoy]

Don't forget to shop around too, especially when it comes to "shared" spells between classes like root, see invis, invis, etc. Ever notice how your guild's vendors tend to all have a level range of spells? If you don't get root until level 34 (necros) you may find the same spell at another vendor for a class that gets it at a lower level at a greatly reduced rate.

-Mcoy

[nectarprime]

Don't forget to shop around too, especially when it comes to "shared" spells between classes like root, see invis, invis, etc. Ever notice how your guild's vendors tend to all have a level range of spells? If you don't get root until level 34 (necros) you may find the same spell at another vendor for a class that gets it at a lower level at a greatly reduced rate.

-Mcoy

Uh, I'd like to see proof of this.

[cd288]

Uh, I'd like to see proof of this.

Yeah I don't think this is accurate but could be wrong

[Kron]

I only purchased like 2-3 spells for each new lineup.

By lvl 16 I had 150pp+ in the bank from selling mob trash and went back to buy what I missed. Cracked staff's from from lvl 1-10 humanoid mobs are mini jackpots and sell for a few plat.

Sold bone chips to to Necros for a few plat. Sold tons of rusty weapons for plenty of gold early on.

I doubt you need EVERY single spell that opens up at each lvl. So just chill once you hit teens and low 20's I was making roughly 100pp each time I went out to grind a lvl.

Soon plat wont be and issue so that minor struggle at the start becomes irrelevant very quickly.

[Wwen42]

what does howdy doody mean?

also spell prices being crippling for casters is super classic. deal.

Yeah, I just consider this the price I pay for being better than most gear-needy melee classes. A Wiz was the first character I made (and quit) and I recall the struggle to make dough for new spells. I suspect the OP is just miss-remembering, possibly after having a stroke.

[Wwen42]

Also, not EVERY spell is worth purchasing upon level up. "lvl 7 eroticisim" can be skipped until you have free plat.

[mcoy]

Yeah I don't think this is accurate but could be wrong

Hrm. Pretty sure I remember going to buy spells and remembering that I saw them cheaper on another vendor. I'll dig through my logs when I get home. I mentioned root because I'm almost positive that was one I saw it on and I ended up buying it from the cleric vendor in kaladim instead of the dude behind the counter in felwithe.

-Mcoy

[Vexenu]

Spells are priced by the lowest level class that can cast them. For example, Root is a level 4 Wizard spell, so it will cost approximately the same as other level 4 spells, despite being a level 34 Necro spell.

[cd288]

Spells are priced by the lowest level class that can cast them. For example, Root is a level 4 Wizard spell, so it will cost approximately the same as other level 4 spells, despite being a level 34 Necro spell.

Ah okay. I think that might be right since now that I think about it hybrid spells don’t cost ridiculous amounts just because you get them higher than the relevant class does

[Swish]

Ah okay. I think that might be right since now that I think about it hybrid spells don’t cost ridiculous amounts just because you get them higher than the relevant class does

Hybrids are relevant too ^^ :p

[Firepuff]

I don't remember spells being that pricey either so I tried doing a little digging:

lucy entry for wiz level 8 "shock of ice" spell scroll:

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=15656


note the cost changes:

initial entry : Live 2003-11-22 01:21 Added cost: '720'

change: Live 2005-10-29 22:23 Changed cost from '720' to '500'

change: Live 2012-03-20 03:46 Changed cost from '500' to '55'



Merchant-value was 7gp 20sp back in 2003, a far cry from the 4pp 4gp we have on green.
Of course 2003 is not 1999 so there might have been some pre-lucy price-changes...

[Firepuff]

sorry for doubleposting, but I can't edit posts:

found this: http://web.archive.org/web/20011125025714/http://eq.castersrealm.com/spells/spelldescriptions.asp?Id=542

which fits with the current green pricing.

That price is from late 2001 though, so its not a definitive proof.

[DarkwingDuck]

I'm playing a wiztard and I went to buy my level 8 speels. Each one is 4p and some change. I was like "Oh good gravy this is pricey." Sooooooooooooo I went to the archived alakazam EQ1 website to look up prices for the same speles. In original EQ Column of Frost is Mak Ixtaz - 1pp 4sp 9cp in Neriak. On green it is 4pp 2g 3s 8c. Why? What did casters do to deserve such a high increase of pricings?! I am so damn broke all the damn time.

Yes, I pick up every single thing I kill. Sell all da bone cheeps stacks, sell all da weepons and armours. I sell all da alochols! ALL DA LOOTS I SELL!!!! I turn in lizards for money. I sold my friend to a troll for money! I still have no moneys because I buy spells! NO I DONT BUY ALL SPEELS! JUST DAMAGE HIGH DAMAGE OH GOD!!!!

Just wait until 24+ and your spells not in store will cost you 500pp+ from these blue neck beards

[Dirkdaring]

yup for some reason all the spell prices on merchants, are 4 times what they were on live .

Its like whoever was in charge of item itemization, on merchants, didn't do any research, and just half assed it .

lvl 20 spells on live are 3pp each, here the same spells are 12pp, lvl 24 spells on live 4pp each, here they are 14pp to 17pp each .

[Tilien]

Just wait until 24+ and your spells not in store will cost you 500pp+ from these blue neck beards

*Sees toxic people on Green/Teal* Damn that toxic Blue server, glad I'm on Green... Wait...

[Firepuff]

Given that castersrealm from 2001(via waybackmachine) lists the same prices as green, id say that the p1999-staff did do *some* research.
http://web.archive.org/web/20011201201917/http://eq.castersrealm.com/spells/spells.asp?Class=Wizard

However I have also heard that other sites reached by waybackmachine lists prices that are way cheaper and corresponds with live(no links from me, only hearsay), then there must be some huge price-nerf after velious OR castersrealm was wrong back then. :confused:

Anyone remember any huge price-nerf from back then? My lookup on lucy, indicates that the price change was before lucy started collecting spell-prices around late 2003.

Or some links(from 1999-2001) that contradicts p1999 prices?


Just asking us to tough it up and pay the expensive prices, is only a good argument if it is the correct classic price. We signed up for classic, not some extra "hardmode" that isn't authentic. :p

Im inclined to believe castersrealm is correct though.

[korzax]

I remember them lowering the price of spells, but not when.

[Vormotus]

I can feel the pain of OP, specially when you start without anything on your name or a higher level alt to twink you a bit.

The only thing I can say to you is that as you level up plat will be easier to get , the only real expensive spells will be researched ones, as people ask absolutely insane prices for them.

I am dreading upon leveling having to buy a spell off them, so I will try to do research on my own as slow and painful as it can be, but money for spells off vendors will be easy to get the higher level you are.

As a small tip, after being so broke for so long I found out people pay good money for Polar Bear skins in the Qeynos /Halas area so I decided to sell some of them for around 20pp each and as soon as I got them people ripped them off my hands for money.

They are used for the rechargeable halfling porting cap so save them.

But yeah, I know how awful those prices can be when starting up

[lowner411]

Spells got reworked in Everquest live to get rid of "levels" and prices went down. Allakazam reflects live Everquest.

[Evets]

Spells are pricey ... as a starting out caster you wear cloth and buy spells. As a mele you spend all your money on equipment. Be sure to buy the most important spells and forego the others for now and pick them up later when you have more plat.

[dekova]

Just replying to show my appreciation for OP using the phrase Howdy Doody. Something I will attempt to do more often myself. That is all.

[Kanuvan]

they should be much more expensive

[Firepuff]

I seem to recall reading somewhere, that waybackmachine only saves html-pages and script code.
It is not "screen-scraping"!
That means you can (depending on the website architecture) visit an ancient site, run ancient script-code that connects to a current modern database, retrieve modern data, and display it in the waybackmachine viewer.

So old sites that displays data that corresponds with EQ-live data is not "archived data".

The castersrealm archive obviously does not show EQ-live data. which is why I think the data from castersrealm is authentic.

[Evets]

Im almost level 16 now and I probably will only be able to afford 1 or maaaybe 2 spells ... kinda crappy cause there are several staple spells needed :/

My groups are gonna hate me! lol

[RipVanFish]

Is howdy doody from something?

[Evets]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howdy_Doody

[veldan]

I remember spell's being high'ish cost starting at level 8. The prices in p99 'feel' right to me. Either way currently level 21 and the only real struggle I had was affording 'all' of my spell's at level 8 and 12. It's been pretty simple having enough plat for spell's since level 16.

[TheRusty]

I'm playing a wiztard and I went to buy my level 8 speels. Each one is 4p and some change. I was like "Oh good gravy this is pricey." Sooooooooooooo I went to the archived alakazam EQ1 website to look up prices for the same speles. In original EQ Column of Frost is Mak Ixtaz - 1pp 4sp 9cp in Neriak. On green it is 4pp 2g 3s 8c. Why? What did casters do to deserve such a high increase of pricings?! I am so damn broke all the damn time.

Yes, I pick up every single thing I kill. Sell all da bone cheeps stacks, sell all da weepons and armours. I sell all da alochols! ALL DA LOOTS I SELL!!!! I turn in lizards for money. I sold my friend to a troll for money! I still have no moneys because I buy spells! NO I DONT BUY ALL SPEELS! JUST DAMAGE HIGH DAMAGE OH GOD!!!!

Alakazam records prices on live servers. And spell prices on live got a big reduction years ago. Like level 1 spells cost like 2 sp each on live, while P99 keeps the original 1.5gp cost we all know and love.