Does green need a third server?

[Swish]

Given all the comments and suggestions over the manastone camp, and everyone wanting legacy pixels...combined with some of the RNF content calling people out over stolen orc legionnaires, is a third server the solution here?

[SenoraRaton]

P99 doesn't even need two servers.
Kill blue/red/teal. Long live green.

[Tecmos Deception]

Why would you even make this thread Swish? You know another server won't relieve manastone drama.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Option 4: Merge teal and green now!

[Lhord99]

SEVEN SERVERS! EIGHT! NINE SERVERS!

[Lulz Sect]

https://i.imgur.com/DawWN7s.jpg

[Tecmos Deception]

https://i.imgur.com/DawWN7s.jpg

Hah! :D

[solleks]

dump red chars onto blue. create aqua. problem solved.

[Lhord99]

dump red chars onto blue. create aqua. problem solved.

That’s purple, my man.

[pink grapefruit]

yes we need a pvp green server imo

[Swish]

Wouldn't the /list situation be worse without teal though?

[A1551]

did u come up with that third option yourself im impressed

[Siege]

dump red chars onto blue. create aqua. problem solved.

But red plus blue equals brown.

[Purplefluffy]

No.

[kaluppo]

If I want pixels I'll watch an Adam Sandler movie. Green and Teal have a nice balance right now IMO for classic EQ pre-Kunark. Lets not cause a disturbance in the force.

[Coridan]

P99 doesn't even need two servers.
Kill blue/red/teal. Long live green.

This.

Maybe in a few months open a Sullon Zek ruleset server to replace Red

[Baler]

Teams PVP

Yes

[Coridan]

Only Sullon Zek teams though, Vallon/Tallon (race wars) wasn't nearly as cool as the religious teams. Veeshan Monks and enchanters having to pick a religion is great.

[Baler]

100%

X races vs Y races

This would allow more casual players to play eq and not get destroyed all day.
And it would give purpose to illusions in a pvp sense.

You're a simple ogre out to smash frogs. But whats this! a wood elf?! in your forest!
They ruined their lands, you won't let them ruin yours!

[Thievery]

List would be about the same. It hovers around 7-10 on green most of the time. When people show up and see 10 in line, they move on usually.

Doesn't matter if there are 100 or 10,000 players on the server for this to be the case. I imagine this will remain true until we start getting closer to the removal of the stone from EE.

[drackgon]

I for one, would love a third server. Green has gotten a crap ton better. But as you level the higher lvl areas becoming more and more packed. I am guessing same issue on Teal? Sitting on LFG list for the decent camps (HHK/MM/GUK/SolA) all at same time is helpful, while you solo a few mobs. But taking a few hours to find a group does get a bit rough.

[Tecmos Deception]

Wouldn't the /list situation be worse without teal though?

I doubt it. The longer the list gets, the fewer people will be willing to sit in it. The end result is a minority of people have manastones, just like in classic.

[Baler]

If people's sole reason for a third server is so they can be on a shorter /list
Maybe project 1999 isn't for you.

Do I want BIS for all my characters. stacking vulack items ontop of my manastones and guises. Sure... is it going to happen? No
Set realistic goals

[cd288]

If people's sole reason for a third server is so they can be on a shorter /list
Maybe project 1999 isn't for you.

Do I want BIS for all my characters. stacking vulack items ontop of my manastones and guises. Sure... is it going to happen? No
Set realistic goals

Plus, unless you prohibit playing on multiple servers at once, there are hardcore crazy types who will try and /list for an MS on each server. Anyone who is crazy enough to spend tens of hours on the /list would probably just do it on all 3 servers because why not maximize the use of their time? So specifically from the perspective of whether it would help the list issue, it wouldn't.

[Rick Sanchez]

The magic number of a classic server is around 500 people, just pick the server that's closest to that and you're all set.

[Tecmos Deception]

All I know is I can't wait to see how Fungus Staff and pained soul and rotting skeleton and Chancellor Di'Zok all play out. Will we have lists for Verina Tomb? Will everyone ever finally realize that the classic timeline is working AGAINST their dreams of "experiencing all the things they didn't get to on blue" instead of for it?

Lol.

[chevy79bu]

Given all the comments and suggestions over the manastone camp, and everyone wanting legacy pixels...combined with some of the RNF content calling people out over stolen orc legionnaires, is a third server the solution here?

Maybe we should just split the server until there is an average pop of say 50 per server...that way this manastone camp and all of the other shit people are complaining about is easy to get. Or how about this!...p99 staff just summons a manastone to everyone's inventory! Lol seriously I think its fucking funny all of the no job idiots having to spend 40hr straight for an item in this game. Hopfully doing so causes some sort of irreparable damage to their health. Get a job, life, and real priorities and let this game come somewhere after those...

[tinklepee]

Each player should have their own server

[Purplefluffy]

The magic number of a classic server is around 500 people, just pick the server that's closest to that and you're all set.

I think that number is too low.

[Coridan]

Way too low, when live still had numbers most servers were around 1200 at prime time, though they were a bit more spread out in level and hunting grounds than green is because we're all maximising our exp in the most optimal zones because they refuse to fix the ZEMs

[Yorkshire]

Only Sullon Zek teams though, Vallon/Tallon (race wars) wasn't nearly as cool as the religious teams. Veeshan Monks and enchanters having to pick a religion is great.

Lies. TZ for life!

[astuce999]

The magic number of a classic server is around 500 people, just pick the server that's closest to that and you're all set.

I'd specify primetime numbers of 500 for vanilla, 800 for kunark, and 1200 for velious assuming the appropriate timelines have been followed.

Teal was great at first, but now it's getting rough at primetime and I'm finding myself not logging in. The hybrid struggle is real when you zone in MM and there's 2 other hybrids lfg (including another bard) and all the solo spots are taken on the continent.

At least Peaky Blinders is a great substitute for entertainment when you only have about an hour or so to give, so I can be patient for things to get better.

cheers,

Astuce

[Bazia]

I'd specify primetime numbers of 500 for vanilla, 800 for kunark, and 1200 for velious assuming the appropriate timelines have been followed.

Teal was great at first, but now it's getting rough at primetime and I'm finding myself not logging in. The hybrid struggle is real when you zone in MM and there's 2 other hybrids lfg (including another bard) and all the solo spots are taken on the continent.

At least Peaky Blinders is a great substitute for entertainment when you only have about an hour or so to give, so I can be patient for things to get better.

cheers,

Astuce

there was 65 people in uguk last night, how are you not finding groups :confused:

[astuce999]

there was 65 people in uguk last night, how are you not finding groups :confused:

I have about an hour to play at a time. I am on Faydwer. I come with a 40% xp penalty. All the camps are taken, and there are 2-4 other lfg'ers that are more "attractive" to groups for eventual spots.

I'm sure if I waited 20-40 minutes I would eventually get a group, but that's almost all my playtime. I can't solo in the meantime because all the camps are taken. So I prefer to do something else with that one hour.

It's my problem, and if I had 3-10 hours to play consecutively per day it wouldn't be a major issue.

cheers,

Astuce

[Zerric]

You start splitting servers you kill the population. Eventually people stop playing and the good population split into 2 turns into ok population at the start, and 6 months in turns into dead zones population.

[Coridan]

Playing for only an hour at a time is the very definition of casual play. Spawn timers are like 28 minutes in a lot of places. Classic Everquest just isn't the game for you sorry. Try Everquest 2.

[Zerric]

Playing for only an hour at a time is the very definition of casual play. Spawn timers are like 28 minutes in a lot of places. Classic Everquest just isn't the game for you sorry. Try Everquest 2.

People who only want to "play an hour" shouldn't play any MMO at all as their progress will show. Esp in only an hour a day of play time.

[Lone Gnome]

Red or gtfo

also put chant of battle gif back better

[Lhord99]

People who only want to "play an hour" shouldn't play any MMO at all as their progress will show. Esp in only an hour a day of play time.

I mean, an hour a day of planned execution can be more “rewarding” (open ended term) than four hours of putting the “ever” in EverQuest. At 55, I can get 4-5% of exp on 6-min spawns, if I’m prepared for it, in an hour. I got 4% just today, on Blue.

That being said, if you don’t have 20 years of insight fueling your play time, one hour can easily be wasted in Guk, doing F-all, watching 24+ minute spawns vanish while sexy woodelves are slaughtering frogs in front of your eyes.

Not sure what I’m trying to prove, but I think I proved it!

[Keza]

You can't karma farm on p99 forums, Swish. Everyone knows you have the most calories burnt by posting just from viewing the front page. Anyone even trying to argue about making a third server for manastones despite the fact that some classes don't even have a use for it is part of the problem, not the solution. Those people certainly don't have an answer for any problem, imagined or real.

I can't imagine being so pixel hungry that I'd want a third server just for the enchanters/shamans who don't have a manastone. It would be less ridiculous to suggest a /manastone command that spawns you a free no-drop manastone than to split the community again.

All I know is I can't wait to see how Fungus Staff and pained soul and rotting skeleton and Chancellor Di'Zok all play out. Will we have lists for Verina Tomb? Will everyone ever finally realize that the classic timeline is working AGAINST their dreams of "experiencing all the things they didn't get to on blue" instead of for it?

Lol.


No more than people who think they know exactly why every person plays green will realize that they don't know why every person plays green. I don't play it for manastones, epics and server firsts, despite the egregious amount of 900 IQ genius-tier threads and posts suggesting that this is the only reason people play green.

Btw, it's not a classic timeline working against their dream, it's two decades of hindsight and knowledge working against their dreams. The dream itself is totally viable. You could port to Sro, run to LGuk and get a manastone/guise within 20 minutes. In a dream.

[Kimmie]

P99's got more colors goin on than Pokemon :o

[Albane]

I think that number is too low.

Considering there is only enough end game content for about 30 people to complete every week and most of us have end game raiding experience, 500 seems like plenty.

[bbsmitz]

Everfrost on Teal has 7 people in it right now. The newbie zones are already starting to feel a little empty; a 3rd server would simply dilute it even more.

[astuce999]

P99's got more colors goin on than Pokemon :o

Any chance to see any Kimmie and Nalkin adventures on Green or Teal?

Those were great days on blue.

Astuce

[Lone Gnome]

Why not just allow instancing for everyone? Just /instance zonename and you are teleport into the zone and can do whatever you want only to return to "live" as needed.

This project had finally recreated classic EQ. There were 10 newbs camping a single mob as was intended and classic as fuck. Then instancing started and that can of worms will never be closed.

Instance everything. Don't let players interact. It will limit the petitions. You can only view each others progress via a new custom magelo profile you can link on the forums. Each player will set their own experience and drop rate to coorespond to their real life responsibilities and desires.

LOL? This is a classic server, fighting for large rats and kobolds is classic

[Kimmie]

Any chance to see any Kimmie and Nalkin adventures on Green or Teal?

Those were great days on blue.

Astuce

Those were the days, my friend...I thought they'd never end

But they're dead af :(:(:(:(

[Tecmos Deception]

Those were the days, my friend...I thought they'd never end

But they're dead af :(:(:(:(

:(

[cd288]

People who only want to "play an hour" shouldn't play any MMO at all as their progress will show. Esp in only an hour a day of play time.

Or at least don't play a primarily grouping class in EQ. Even without the EXP penalty, if you're only around for an hour or less I'd rather take someone else so I don't have to worry about finding a replacement sooner rather than later

[Tecmos Deception]

Wouldn't the /list situation be worse without teal though?

I already replied to this, but I feel like the fact that a LOW population manastone drama thread is currently ongoing warrants another quote. Lol.


Edit - also just had this exchange happen when I asked a noob if he needed me to leave a mob I had been killing up:

[Thu Nov 14 07:46:53 2019] Locomotive -> wackie: do you need one of them for a quest?
[Thu Nov 14 07:48:05 2019] Wackie -> Locomotive: nope i am quiting 300people on a server is not worth playing its alrdy set in stone who controls eveything

Lol.

[drackgon]

I would love another Server, IDC about manastones. Though Rubi and guise would be nice. I for one as a tank am tired of waiting on list to join HHK/MM/Guk/Splitpaw groups.. Have any of you also been in befallen? Every single room has a group camping in it. Green is still way to packed. And I wanted to go to Teal but having 80% pop of Green makes me think that its the same. All yall complaining that a 3rd server isnt needed, seems to mostly only care about /list of manastone. Who cares if another 3rd server means more, we don't care about what that means for your horde of PP. People want to be able to log on and not wait 1-4 hours LFG.

Oh but go solo. This is an MMO yes solo is an option slow for an SK(better for others ie mages/enc/druids etc) but I play to hang out and meet new peeps.

PS "You start splitting servers you kill the population. Eventually people stop playing and the good population split into 2 turns into ok population at the start, and 6 months in turns into dead zones population" Admins already said they could recombine servers. So this isn't an issue either.

[Tecmos Deception]

Jesus, man. You don't solo and you say you have to wait 1-4 hours for groups... but that hasn't stopped you from getting an ogre shadow knight to 30 already?

But seriously. Just stop going to the few zones that are the most busy unless you're willing to be in a zone that's busy. Those places won't be empty with another server either. Another server won't magically cause groups to need tanks more quickly. Etc.

[drackgon]

Tecmo. I am actually 32 now. I run all over places trying to solo. Yes 1-4hours is very typical for a group. Theres only so many camps, all of which are farmed and split into so many groups. I do have an option of going to Everfrost/permafrost to try and lvl. But as an Orge SK that is a long trip.
Another server would split those camps another time, again go run into befallen. Yesterday around noon I was helping a group PL in befallen. Second floor had 5 groups in it + 1 enc solo. There is what 7 rooms total on 2nd floor. With 19 min respawn. Everywhere is overcrowded. Upguk with 65+ people in it is usually 8+ LFg bc all camps are taken.

[solleks]

what broken logic are you using when you are bitching about green when you havent even moved to teal yet

[drackgon]

Solleks have you looked at Teal Pop? its right behind Green. At this point what purpose is it to move to Teal?

[Tecmos Deception]

Solleks have you looked at Teal Pop? its right behind Green. At this point what purpose is it to move to Teal?

You missed his point. Your reasoning leads to:

"If Teal is only a little less crowded than Green, then what's the point?"
"If Aquamarine is only a little less crowded than Teal, then what's the point?"
"If Emerald is only a little less crowded than Aquamarine, then what's the point?"

But again. Your problem isn't just one of population. A group still only needs 1 tank even if they have an entire zone all to themselves. You being on a list to join a group as a tank isn't going to magically go away when the population is lower. Most groups still aren't going to want to add an ogre shadow knight if they already have a tank.

[drackgon]

"If Aquamarine is only a little less crowded than Teal, then what's the point?"
"If Emerald is only a little less crowded than Aquamarine, then what's the point?"

Means keep opening them until you stay around 500 pop. Then its perfect. Tanking has no issue. My brother who is cleric also sits Soloing for 1-4 hours LFG. (We play some times same times other not so don't bother with why not group together, hes much lower lvl then me at 22)
I watch plenty of people aka Mages/enc/wizards/druids sitting on same list as me. We all jump on 7-8 list of camps and all go solo/duo/(find tiny little 1-3 spawn camps out in Karanas or some random out of way area) until one is called on. Its not just tanking or healing. Its all.

[Tecmos Deception]

"If Aquamarine is only a little less crowded than Teal, then what's the point?"
"If Emerald is only a little less crowded than Aquamarine, then what's the point?"

Means keep opening them until you stay around 500 pop. Then its perfect.

So you want lower pop, but you won't go to a lower pop unless it's exactly what you want.

I watch plenty of people aka Mages/enc/wizards/druids sitting on same list as me. We all jump on 7-8 list of camps and all go solo/duo/(find tiny little 1-3 spawn camps out in Karanas or some random out of way area) until one is called on. Its not just tanking or healing. Its all.

So you want to group, but you're literally an entire group sitting on a list instead of forming a group and going somewhere to kill stuff.



:rolleyes:

[cd288]

"If Aquamarine is only a little less crowded than Teal, then what's the point?"
"If Emerald is only a little less crowded than Aquamarine, then what's the point?"

Means keep opening them until you stay around 500 pop. Then its perfect. Tanking has no issue. My brother who is cleric also sits Soloing for 1-4 hours LFG. (We play some times same times other not so don't bother with why not group together, hes much lower lvl then me at 22)
I watch plenty of people aka Mages/enc/wizards/druids sitting on same list as me. We all jump on 7-8 list of camps and all go solo/duo/(find tiny little 1-3 spawn camps out in Karanas or some random out of way area) until one is called on. Its not just tanking or healing. Its all.

Maybe you can pay for them to open like 3 or 4 more servers so they're all at 500 people per server then. Or do you not want to bear the burden of paying for all of that? No? Okay then maybe appreciate that the staff pay for this out of their own pocket for the most part and they've already incurred extra expense to open a second server

[cd288]

So you want lower pop, but you won't go to a lower pop unless it's exactly what you want.



So you want to group, but you're literally an entire group sitting on a list instead of forming a group and going somewhere to kill stuff.



:rolleyes:

/thread

[drackgon]

Techno sorry clearly didnt type out all ofit. Solo/duo/groups/tiny spawns...We do form groups. Teal isnt really a lower pop 90% of time its only 100-150 less players.. That means what 44 zones yay u reduced 2 people out of every zone...GG.

CD288 Yes everyone should donate. I do, Also clearly plenty of other post that show appreication on that I've posted on. We(most) are all grateful for their hard work and what they do. Your argument though is truly only real good argument against more servers. This thread is about wanting more, ie hopeful. So I myself am hopeful for more.

[solleks]

teal is literally less people. is this what you want?

come complain after you moved

[Tecmos Deception]

Techno sorry clearly didnt type out all ofit. Solo/duo/groups/tiny spawns...We do form groups. Teal isnt really a lower pop 90% of time its only 100-150 less players.. That means what 44 zones yay u reduced 2 people out of every zone...GG.

Your complaints have been that you can't get into groups, that you can't find camps, and that green is too high population. But you also have admitted that you form your own groups, that you go out of the busiest zones and find stuff to kill, and that you don't want to move to the lower population server.

GG indeed.

[astuce999]

"If Aquamarine is only a little less crowded than Teal, then what's the point?"
"If Emerald is only a little less crowded than Aquamarine, then what's the point?"

Means keep opening them until you stay around 500 pop. Then its perfect. Tanking has no issue. My brother who is cleric also sits Soloing for 1-4 hours LFG. (We play some times same times other not so don't bother with why not group together, hes much lower lvl then me at 22)
I watch plenty of people aka Mages/enc/wizards/druids sitting on same list as me. We all jump on 7-8 list of camps and all go solo/duo/(find tiny little 1-3 spawn camps out in Karanas or some random out of way area) until one is called on. Its not just tanking or healing. Its all.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, it's comforting to see at least one other person sees this as a simple problem with a simple classic solution.

cheers,

Astuce

P.S. I've been advocating for 4 servers since green launch, 3 'regular' and 1 'roleplay preferred'

[drackgon]

TY Astruce I will be pushing right next to you. Ohhh would love a RP prefered, but I know pvp or RP only servers pop will slowly die Ie Red

[lordpazuzu]

"If Aquamarine is only a little less crowded than Teal, then what's the point?"
"If Emerald is only a little less crowded than Aquamarine, then what's the point?"

Means keep opening them until you stay around 500 pop. Then its perfect. Tanking has no issue. My brother who is cleric also sits Soloing for 1-4 hours LFG. (We play some times same times other not so don't bother with why not group together, hes much lower lvl then me at 22)
I watch plenty of people aka Mages/enc/wizards/druids sitting on same list as me. We all jump on 7-8 list of camps and all go solo/duo/(find tiny little 1-3 spawn camps out in Karanas or some random out of way area) until one is called on. Its not just tanking or healing. Its all.

Wait, you want servers down to 500 average population? That's a half dead server.

[drackgon]

LoL lord <3

[cd288]

I wholeheartedly agree with you, it's comforting to see at least one other person sees this as a simple problem with a simple classic solution.

cheers,

Astuce

P.S. I've been advocating for 4 servers since green launch, 3 'regular' and 1 'roleplay preferred'

If you want more additional servers, then why don't you and anyone else who agrees with you pool the money and pay for them every month rather than telling the staff to open more servers while you donate like $5.

[astuce999]

If you want more additional servers, then why don't you and anyone else who agrees with you pool the money and pay for them every month rather than telling the staff to open more servers while you donate like $5.

https://i.imgur.com/8lXdiL8.jpg

Done. What's next?

Astuce

[cd288]

https://i.imgur.com/8lXdiL8.jpg

Done. What's next?

Astuce

Nice! Now get the cost per month for each server and ensure you cover that.

But in serious, nice of you to be generous and donate there in general

[Acidreams]

+1 good races vs evil races world

[astuce999]

Nice! Now get the cost per month for each server and ensure you cover that.

But in serious, nice of you to be generous and donate there in general

I actually created a thread asking for that information, and I'm willing to sign an NDA if there's a need to keep it private as well.

Would love to have at least a ballpark idea of the costs, but I understand why they would want to keep that information non-public.

cheers,

Astuce

[oldhead]

What? Why... need to merge back with Teal.

Groups are becoming non existent. Camps going uncamped.

Splitting was a bad idea.