28 Hours and 24 min since last Manastone

[Almond]

28 Hours and 24 min since last Manastone on Teal....

Fun Camp... roughly 146+ afk checks already.. Number 2-4 position looking at having to put in 40-50 hours at this point.

Super Healthy /s

But hey Manastone isnt' for all... right?

[flacidpenguin]

For a while on real there was no one at the camp, and once 4 dropped in a day.

[Crovax]

Yikes. I was disagreeing with the, "This is unhealthy crowd" when I was thinking it was like the jboots which I have seen around the 11-27 hour mark from when you /list.

But if it is hitting nearly 30 hours for one that is extremely excessive and dangerous for a persons health.

I am not saying everyone should get one. But either make it manageable or take it out so no one is unawarelly putting their life in danger. The sunken cost fallacy and 24 hours without sleep is a dangerous combination when looking at the next 24 hours.

[Ivory]

I tried to warn them! I TRIED TO WARN THEM ALL!!! https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=339337

Enjoy that 50+ hour STRAIGHT camp ...

[jacob54311]

The way some people obsess over certain loot to the point that it seems to ruin their experience is kind of perplexing.

[Dolalin]

So don't camp one.

Literal what the fuck moment at people spending 50 hours on this.

Roll a bard and you'll never need to camp a manastone or guise.

[baakss]

For as much as the total time to camp sucks (and it does), the AFK checks are far worse.

The spawn is 28 minutes and nobody really wants to risk killing anything else with all this time invested. So you have to wait 28 minutes for the mob to pop, but you can't afk because every 6-14 minutes randomly you will have to prove you are not afk at that moment.

It's completely reasonable to afk between spawns here, but the system does not allow for it.

[Bazia]

if its so bad dont participate in it, o wait you are anyway?

then it must not be that bad

[Lulz Sect]

personally prefer corner office sipS and 10/10s in my PenthouSe laP
grats though!

[baakss]

if its so bad dont participate in it, o wait you are anyway?

then it must not be that bad

You got me! I was trying to trick you so I could keep all the Manastones for myself. It was a dirty ploy. Come on down and experience "not that bad".

[Rooj]

So don't camp one.

Literal what the fuck moment at people spending 50 hours on this.

Roll a bard and you'll never need to camp a manastone or guise.

I literally been thinking this the whole time, how lucky I am to be wanting to play Bard and Enchanter this time around LOL. All a Manastone would do on ENC is get me killed a lot.

[Crovax]

The way some people obsess over certain loot to the point that it seems to ruin their experience is kind of perplexing.

I would agree with you for any item outside of /list. But if a /list option is created and you are forced to stay at the desk because of afk checks then it is not so much people obsessed over a certain loot to the point that it seems to ruin their experience.

It is a system that makes getting that item into an unhealthy choice. Without list I could duo them and cycle resting with a friend. I could do it as a guild and put in the hours to get my turn. I could wait in line and sleep while person 1-5 get theirs and do some work from home. There are a lot of ways to go about it. But this system doesn't allow that. You are forced to be there. And you have to actively be there to click the afk check even if you are no where close to being your turn. You can't move outside the camp without losing your spot.

The /list worked for the jboots. Still a grueling 11-25 hour camp that not everyone is going to be willing to do.

But if manastones are forcing people to actively be at their computer for over 30 hours, then it is crossing a dangerous line. The sunken cost fallacy and sleep deprivation each by themselves are dangerous for people but you combine them together and you get really poor choices being made.

Something needs to change for it. Either allow each afk check to add dkp and after a certain point you get it, or people with the most afk checks clicked to go to the front of the line, or increase the spawn, or increase the drop rate. Or take it off the /list and let us manage it ourselves. Or remove it.

[branamil]

So don't camp one.

Literal what the fuck moment at people spending 50 hours on this.

Roll a bard and you'll never need to camp a manastone or guise.

You'd have to be a sick fuck or have crippling RL problems to camp one at this point

[jacob54311]

But hey Manastone isnt' for all... right?

Actually, yes, you're right.

[Endonde]

Just make a guild toon, level it to 35, then offer tracking dkp to list for the manastone, then dkp bid the manastones you get.

[Bazia]

You got me! I was trying to trick you so I could keep all the Manastones for myself. It was a dirty ploy. Come on down and experience "not that bad".

its too bad for me I dont evne play DRU/CLR and need one, but its obviously not too bad for you evident by the fact you are doing it :p

[Polycaster]

Most of you are bad at logic. The spawn doesn't have classic drop rates.

[AegnorP99]

Do I want a manastone? Yes. Am I willing to spend more than 8 consecutive hours trying to get one? Absolutely not.

That people are literally spending 50+ hours online at their computer trying to get a manastone is blowing my mind. Having seen what the raid scene was like on Blue for years and years, this shouldn't surprise me. But it does. Please don't hurt yourselves in pursuit of this item.

[Almond]

29 hours and 50 min - it dropped.

See Gents just had to complain on forums to make it happen.



Statistically someone is going to get hurt due to the situation created by /list at this camp.

#2 on list has been in camp for over 34 hours - lets see how long his takes. - Rooting for you Alport

[Meiva]

I think someone else nailed it on the head. It's all teams of friends using Team Viewer to camp manastones in shifts.

And mentally ill people who are likely going to have a heart attack, because they aren't 20 years old anylonger.

[Palemoon]

add new feature to /list: /list can only be 20 deep (or whatever number is "healthy").

When a new spot on /list opens up, a zone wide message pops up and everyone who wants can click it and then randomly one of them becomes the new #20 on /list.

[Almond]

add new feature to /list: /list can only be 20 deep (or whatever number is "healthy").

When a new spot on /list opens up, a zone wide message pops up and everyone who wants can click it and then randomly one of them becomes the new #20 on /list.

so... the guy (alport) that is #1 now was never higher than #4 and he is at 34 hours + atm.


I know people will say its too casual to just hand them out if people have done /list for 200 hours total... but at least people could camp it in healthy shifts vs 50+ hour single sittings. I am literately for anything that wont promote super unhealthy behavior.

"just Dont do it.." is like telling people... "just don't do drugs problem solved."

They could put them on Shady for 20k pp for all I care anything to break this cycle of 50 hours of clicking afk-quest

[Oleris]

Hi Guys - Listen, I know this wont apply to a large number of people here, but also know that there is a significant amount of people like me, that will be sittting on /list for a manastone.

That being said, if you expect to get a mana stone while taking toilet breaks, you're only kidding yourself because you will fail an afk check.

I have multiple region first level caps (Mangler, Phinny, Ragefire) and probably 6 server first (all TLP's, except p1999 blue).

I genuinely believe this was in part due to my planning of comfortable adult diapers, stimulants and general disregard for my health. I wont talk of stimulants as that's bannable and not something I encourage - I will however give a run down of adult diapers and which are the best.

NB - using adult diapers affectively will probably save you approx 5 hours on your race to 60 depending on food intake, fluid intake, bladder size (males are generally larger), and rectum/poo compression, etc.

So review on the to adult diapers are as follows:

Drylife - A*

Drylife are by far in a way the most comfortable. I used a pair of these on my race to 110 a while ago, and although they don't hold as much, they make up for it in comfort. I highly recommend getting the size ABOVE what you would usually use, as it can carry approx 2 stools more. They have incredible urine capactiy.

Savic - 9.8

These can only be described as the Roll Royce of adult Diapers. They feel like silk on my broken skin, smell great, have a great hold capacity and frankly look fantastic (fresh on or fully laden). I bought a 12 pack of these for Legion and only needed 1! - pretty unheard of. I honestly struggly to chose between these and Drylife. I'll prob pick up a pack of both for classic and alternate.

Lilfit - Good

These are a solid choice for the slimmer framed player. They have huge capactiy but in general are a bit tight, even in their larger sizes, for the average semi-obese gamer. They do have a really nice smell to them, though. Kinda like a urinal cake in your pants.

Tena - 11%

Okay, I highly recommend you stay away from these, guys. It's a textbook case of 'you get what you pay for'. They are cheap to buy, and cheap to use. I credit these to my 4th place 120 (BFA). I didnt have a lot of money at the time and thought I'd save a bit of cash on them, before I even got out of the first area I had a loose fart that pushed some stool out the side of the diaper and onto my monster energy cans below. Because they were cans the stool got all inside the rim and I spent valuable time cleaning them and the floor, by which time I had lost about 10 places, worked hard to get back on top, but it was too late. AVOID AT ALL COSTS

Okay - not really that much more to say. I appreciate it's not a very savoury topic to discuss, so apologies to the 'more discerning' gamer, but I know a lot of people have requested a rundown so thought I'd post before it's too late to get an order in.

It's also worth buying a tub of vascaline and some sudacrem and wiping a good handful on each buttock to provide a good barrier between buttocks and stool/urine.

Please feel free to ask any questions

[Almond]

Hi Guys - Listen, I know this wont apply to a large number of people here, but also know that there is a significant amount of people like me, that will be sittting on /list for a manastone.

That being said, if you expect to get a mana stone while taking toilet breaks, you're only kidding yourself because you will fail an afk check.

I have multiple region first level caps (Mangler, Phinny, Ragefire) and probably 6 server first (all TLP's, except p1999 blue).

I genuinely believe this was in part due to my planning of comfortable adult diapers, stimulants and general disregard for my health. I wont talk of stimulants as that's bannable and not something I encourage - I will however give a run down of adult diapers and which are the best.

NB - using adult diapers affectively will probably save you approx 5 hours on your race to 60 depending on food intake, fluid intake, bladder size (males are generally larger), and rectum/poo compression, etc.

So review on the to adult diapers are as follows:

Drylife - A*

Drylife are by far in a way the most comfortable. I used a pair of these on my race to 110 a while ago, and although they don't hold as much, they make up for it in comfort. I highly recommend getting the size ABOVE what you would usually use, as it can carry approx 2 stools more. They have incredible urine capactiy.

Savic - 9.8

These can only be described as the Roll Royce of adult Diapers. They feel like silk on my broken skin, smell great, have a great hold capacity and frankly look fantastic (fresh on or fully laden). I bought a 12 pack of these for Legion and only needed 1! - pretty unheard of. I honestly struggly to chose between these and Drylife. I'll prob pick up a pack of both for classic and alternate.

Lilfit - Good

These are a solid choice for the slimmer framed player. They have huge capactiy but in general are a bit tight, even in their larger sizes, for the average semi-obese gamer. They do have a really nice smell to them, though. Kinda like a urinal cake in your pants.

Tena - 11%

Okay, I highly recommend you stay away from these, guys. It's a textbook case of 'you get what you pay for'. They are cheap to buy, and cheap to use. I credit these to my 4th place 120 (BFA). I didnt have a lot of money at the time and thought I'd save a bit of cash on them, before I even got out of the first area I had a loose fart that pushed some stool out the side of the diaper and onto my monster energy cans below. Because they were cans the stool got all inside the rim and I spent valuable time cleaning them and the floor, by which time I had lost about 10 places, worked hard to get back on top, but it was too late. AVOID AT ALL COSTS

Okay - not really that much more to say. I appreciate it's not a very savoury topic to discuss, so apologies to the 'more discerning' gamer, but I know a lot of people have requested a rundown so thought I'd post before it's too late to get an order in.

It's also worth buying a tub of vascaline and some sudacrem and wiping a good handful on each buttock to provide a good barrier between buttocks and stool/urine.

Please feel free to ask any questions

You just pass this off as your own?

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/cnowfl/race_to_60_choosing_the_right_diapers_i_know_its/

[Isomorphic]

so... the guy (alport) that is #1 now was never higher than #4 and he is at 34 hours + atm.


I know people will say its too casual to just hand them out if people have done /list for 200 hours total... but at least people could camp it in healthy shifts vs 50+ hour single sittings. I am literately for anything that wont promote super unhealthy behavior.

"just Dont do it.." is like telling people... "just don't do drugs problem solved."

They could put them on Shady for 20k pp for all I care anything to break this cycle of 50 hours of clicking afk-quest

Plat sink for manastone is a very good idea and this is coming for someone that already got their stone. So many people are shocked when their plat won't buy them the items they want, no one cares about plat if you are level 35+.

In before one of the four serious jewelcrafters chime in about plat.

[Danth]

"just Dont do it.." is like telling people... "just don't do drugs problem solved."

That's excellent advice.

------------------------------

Nobody cares about plat yet on a fresh server because people need their drops. Wait a bit for surplus goods to start entering the economy and plat will be as useful as always.

Danth

[Lone Gnome]

nothing about the manastone camp is meant to be healthy, and during classic people didnt camp things like this

people are different now, hell with dial up you couldnt even stay connected for a whole hour they would dump you after 20 mins

[Keza]

The way some people obsess over certain loot to the point that it seems to ruin their experience is kind of perplexing.

WHOA THERE. I paid money for this game so I deserve everything on a silver platter.

Wait, I haven't logged in since the day before teal launched. Oh yeah and I don't have to pay anything so I can't even act like an entitled douchebag.

So it's fine then. Alright. Gonna go back to doing other things that aren't p99 because I'm not completely pathetic. Like people claiming some bullshit "statistic" they totally made up suggests that someone is going to die IRL from camping it and therefor it needs to be changed just because they aren't hardcore enough to be hardcore.

[zaneosak]

Why is this about health? If you're dying of hunger or lack of sleep due to camping a manastone in Everquest in the year 2019 that's just good old natural selection.

[Neverwinter27]

There should be at least a 24 hour time limit to camp anything in this game, someone is gonna die over this stupid item.

[Lone Gnome]

i think it should be much more rare to stop people from camping it like this

[Almond]

Why is this about health? If you're dying of hunger or lack of sleep due to camping a manastone in Everquest in the year 2019 that's just good old natural selection.

Sometimes you need to see/understand the bigger picture. If someone were to die.. we don't just get to sit around and go:

"lol natrual selection bro heuhueheuheuehue"

It will bring bad press to Daybreak and P99... there will be consequences. Maybe even a lawsuit - not saying they would win - but the point is it would bring unwanted exposure to p99.


The /list system is new and unique to p99 - its a staff created rule.. and it alone is already influencing player behavior to camp 40+ hours... or feel "pot commited" when they are in #1 position. If the end result of that is someone dying... that will be bad over all for the p99 community.


I'm just here to document so if it does happen no one can say "who knew... we had no idea something bad could happen..."


'11/12/19 09:24:04 AM --Wuneye has looted a Manastone.--
11/13/19 02:15:00 PM --Lilstun has looted a Manastone.-- '


1 day, 4 hours, 50 minutes and 56 seconds between drops.

[Jeni]

This is why I wait on lists on both servers so I can end up with elf pixels. I get up at 2am Friday call into work and then play until Monday morning where I call in again if I still haven’t got my stone then repeat it again a week later. Going to be so worth it in two years when we merge back to blue with my 12 60s.

[solleks]

if you think the people that run this server are responsible for the people that play this server's well being you are out to lunch

[Palemoon]

would you all trade /list quest in to make manastone area PVP instead??

[WaffleztheAndal]

I’m glad you posted this outside of the bug forum op, so you can see no one outside of a handful of people wants a server that’s flooded with these things. If you’re smart enough to realize your health and life are more important than a fucking manastone, make the smart decision.

[Crovax]

I’m glad you posted this outside of the bug forum op, so you can see no one outside of a handful of people wants a server that’s flooded with these things. If you’re smart enough to realize your health and life are more important than a fucking manastone, make the smart decision.

If this is the case shouldn't they just be removed from the drop? Unless you are agreeing that this isn't good for your health to camp something for over 30 hours and can have dire consequences but then at the same time suggesting we should keep it as is.

It sounds like you agree something needs to change if you agree it is bad for your health to stay away for 30 hours.

[Almond]

if you think the people that run this server are responsible for the people that play this server's well being you are out to lunch

Don't think anyone said the staff are directly responsible for players health.

They do have access to data that would show how long someone has been online and if they 1. Did nothing and 2. promoted a system to reward players for staying online and engaged for 50+ hours at a time.. i think they risk being held negligent and possibly liable.


If negative press is directed at Everquest the game because of a p99 50+ hour /list camps... I assure you Daybreak will look at their options to make p99 look like a rogue entity and/or get it shut down...

Is it too much to ask that we don't build systems that reward people for staying in game for 40+ hours consecutively ?

[WaffleztheAndal]

Don't think anyone said the staff are directly responsible for players health.

They do have access to data that would show how long someone has been online and if they 1. Did nothing and 2. promoted a system to reward players for staying online and engaged for 50+ hours at a time.. i think they risk being held negligent and possibly liable.


If negative press is directed at Everquest the game because of a p99 50+ hour /list camps... I assure you Daybreak will look at their options to make p99 look like a rogue entity and/or get it shut down...

Is it too much to ask that we don't build systems that reward people for staying in game for 40+ hours consecutively ?

Just remove the fucking manastone entirely then. No one needs this thing.

[Almond]

Just remove the fucking manastone entirely then.

I would support this 100%

Just remove all legacy items and /list

[Crovax]

if you think the people that run this server are responsible for the people that play this server's well being you are out to lunch

We have seen laws in countries put in place where people have died over gaming. And those were in cases where the player had no reason whats so ever to do that.

The current list demands we stay there actively to click afk and has camps that can go 30+ hours. So would someone's family win in a lawsuite? Maybe not. Maybe so. But that would be a moot point.

I imagine the press would be terrible for daybreak and P99. Would Daybreak pull the plug on P99 to avoid that? Who knows. Would the government push laws to avoid that? Who knows.

Would it make sense to avoid a game mechanic that promotes that unhealthy behavior? I mean, I don't see why not. I am not saying give them away or make them easy to get by any means. But there is certainly a better way.

[Polycaster]

I would support this 100%

Just remove all legacy items and /list

Shut up hippie.

Not even the people camping the legacy items want them to be common. Perhaps especially them. What people are asking for is the classic drop rate and a humane system for the list.

[solleks]

They do have access to data that would show how long someone has been online and if they 1. Did nothing and 2. promoted a system to reward players for staying online and engaged for 50+ hours at a time.. i think they risk being held negligent and possibly liable.

this is so stupid

[Almond]

Shut up hippie.

Not even the people camping the legacy items want them to be common. Perhaps especially them. What people are asking for is the classic drop rate and a humane system for the list.

Yeah.. simmer down there champ.. I would 100% support the classic drop rate also...

See when someone supports something.. it doesn't mean that's the only option they would support... so jumping in with the name calling .. just looks silly.

There are alot of options that I think the community would support... But doing nothing? leaving it as is? Will get someone hurt.

[WaffleztheAndal]

Shut up hippie.

Not even the people camping the legacy items want them to be common. Perhaps especially them. What people are asking for is the classic drop rate and a humane system for the list.

These things are on literal 24/7 farm across two servers that will eventually become one, increasing the drop rate is a bad idea.

[zaneosak]

Sometimes you need to see/understand the bigger picture. If someone were to die.. we don't just get to sit around and go:

"lol natrual selection bro heuhueheuheuehue"

It will bring bad press to Daybreak and P99... there will be consequences. Maybe even a lawsuit - not saying they would win - but the point is it would bring unwanted exposure to p99.


The /list system is new and unique to p99 - its a staff created rule.. and it alone is already influencing player behavior to camp 40+ hours... or feel "pot commited" when they are in #1 position. If the end result of that is someone dying... that will be bad over all for the p99 community.


I'm just here to document so if it does happen no one can say "who knew... we had no idea something bad could happen..."


'11/12/19 09:24:04 AM --Wuneye has looted a Manastone.--
11/13/19 02:15:00 PM --Lilstun has looted a Manastone.-- '


1 day, 4 hours, 50 minutes and 56 seconds between drops.

As someone who works in a law-firm. Any lawsuit about a person voluntarily sitting in front of their computer for a reward in a video game would be thrown out faster than your garbage on garbage day.

The fact you even responded to my sarcastic reply about this stupidity makes me really scared about the people that play this game.

[WaffleztheAndal]

As someone who works in a law-firm. Any lawsuit about a person voluntarily sitting in front of their computer for a reward in a video game would be thrown out faster than your garbage on garbage day.

The fact you even responded to my sarcastic reply about this stupidity makes me really scared about the people that play this game.

Thank you for debunking this. It sounded incredibly stupid and illogical but I don’t have the knowledge to shoot it down myself.

[Lulz Sect]

ok boomer

[Haynar]

ok boomer

Lolololololol

[Almond]

As someone who works in a law-firm. Any lawsuit about a person voluntarily sitting in front of their computer for a reward in a video game would be thrown out faster than your garbage on garbage day.

The fact you even responded to my sarcastic reply about this stupidity makes me really scared about the people that play this game.

We throwing out lootboxes being predatory also then? Just trying to draw the line of when an operator has to take some amount of responsibility for developing unhealthy or additive systems.

[jacob54311]

As someone who works in a law-firm. Any lawsuit about a person voluntarily sitting in front of their computer for a reward in a video game would be thrown out faster than your garbage on garbage day.

The fact you even responded to my sarcastic reply about this stupidity makes me really scared about the people that play this game.

Just playing devil's advocate, but in defense of the poster, while a lawsuit would rightfully be thrown out of court, the media would probably have a field day with such a story. The love a controversy, no matter how absurd.

Corporate culture being what it is, I could see Daybreak doing something in response, too.

Someone would probably have to die to get that kind of attention though, for an old game that's now very niche like EQ though. Not very likely.

[Almond]

Just playing devil's advocate, but in defense of the poster, while a lawsuit would rightfully be thrown out of court, the media would probably have a field day with such a story. The love a controversy, no matter how absurd.

Corporate culture being what it is, I could see Daybreak doing something in response, too.

Someone would probably have to die to get that kind of attention though, for an old game that's now very niche like EQ though. Not very likely.

100% agree with this post.. i even said my legal post they may not win...

its the optics.. Also p99 operates with some type of permission from Daybreak.. I would imagine that its not some verbal approval.. there would typically be a clause that ensures they don't do something to disparage everquest...

[Bristlebaner]

The only reason to camp this is to sell it for a million plat in 6-7 years when 98% of the characters played today are rotting on some account that nobody logs into.

Seems legit.

[fadetree]

Didn't read any of the learned discussion since the first few posts, but yeah. I'm just boggled at this whole deal. Like, if you could press a button that gave your ass painful electric shocks but was guaranteed to drop a manastone in 80% of the time that the current wait was, I bet people would LINE UP for that too. This is like some kind of weird skinner-box experiment that somebody is running...I think aliens but could just be Rogean.

[Fammaden]

Yeah "thrown out faster than..." still would mean it gets filed, likely gets publicity, and then has to wait to go to court to get "thrown out" in the first place. We all know it wouldn't win but that doesn't stop anyone in the litigious US. By the time P99 is cleared of any wrong doing, the damage to our little hobby game would already be done.

[baakss]

As someone who works in a law-firm.

Could be an intern or the janitor. Are you an attorney or not?!

[Almond]

Could be an intern or the janitor. Are you an attorney or not?!

He isn't coming back.. his first argument was "Natural selection..." his 2nd was "I work at a law office..."

[Tecmos Deception]

As someone who works in a law-firm. Any lawsuit about a person voluntarily sitting in front of their computer for a reward in a video game would be thrown out faster than your garbage on garbage day.

The fact you even responded to my sarcastic reply about this stupidity makes me really scared about the people that play this game.

If I were the plaintiff (I'm an estate planning/probate administration/medicaid planning sort of attorney, and it's been a long time since law school, so sue me (lol) if my idea is horrible), I'd try to push the analogy between a landowner owing some duties to invitees and licensees and the players' status on the virtual landscape of p99.

I guess it probably wouldn't get anywhere in most/all jurisdictions though because even if the players are invitees, the dangers of staying up for ridiculous amounts of time at a manastone camp are obvious.

Then again, more retarded legal theories have come out on top now and then over the years.


/shrug

[Jimjam]

My father was the lead partner at an award winning law firm and his opinion was, and I quote,

"When are you going to grow up, quit stupid video games and get a real job?"

Pretty conclusive, I think you'll agree.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

I hear if you sit on a wooden box while camping manastone that it increases the drop rate by 40%

[turbosilk]

Don't think anyone said the staff are directly responsible for players health.

They do have access to data that would show how long someone has been online and if they 1. Did nothing and 2. promoted a system to reward players for staying online and engaged for 50+ hours at a time.. i think they risk being held negligent and possibly liable.


If negative press is directed at Everquest the game because of a p99 50+ hour /list camps... I assure you Daybreak will look at their options to make p99 look like a rogue entity and/or get it shut down...

Is it too much to ask that we don't build systems that reward people for staying in game for 40+ hours consecutively ?

It's not different than the old blue raid scene. Nice try with trying to sow hysteria and FUD to get your way.

[zaneosak]

Yeah "thrown out faster than..." still would mean it gets filed, likely gets publicity, and then has to wait to go to court to get "thrown out" in the first place. We all know it wouldn't win but that doesn't stop anyone in the litigious US. By the time P99 is cleared of any wrong doing, the damage to our little hobby game would already be done.

If someone died at their pc playing a video game and it wasn't a game that's popular or on some service that's known like twitch, YouTube or something with name recognition it won't even make one of those 8 pt font links on the bottom of CNN. if someone shot themselves on stream after losing a game of fortnite, sure. Some dude keels over malnourished playing an everquest emulator? 0 chance. There would be fuck all dmg to the community. Unless the mods want to shut it down on their own principals. Boeing has the deaths of hundreds on their hands last two years and still operates with public scrutiny. Nobody would give two fucks about a corner of the internet that literally 5k people are invested it, and that's being generous.

[solleks]

dont destroy these nerds fantasy that someone will literally die so they can get an ez mode manastone

[Crovax]

If someone died at their pc playing a video game and it wasn't a game that's popular or on some service that's known like twitch, YouTube or something with name recognition it won't even make one of those 8 pt font links on the bottom of CNN. if someone shot themselves on stream after losing a game of fortnite, sure. Some dude keels over malnourished playing an everquest emulator? 0 chance. There would be fuck all dmg to the community. Unless the mods want to shut it down on their own principals. Boeing has the deaths of hundreds on their hands last two years and still operates with public scrutiny. Nobody would give two fucks about a corner of the internet that literally 5k people are invested it, and that's being generous.

I disagree. When it happens in China it makes bigger news than the Hong Kong Protestors fighting for Democracy.

Our media (And especially for conservative media) has a hard on for blaming video game for violence and deaths for some reason and a story like this would make them happy to plaster it everywhere that a game caused a death.

And you are missing one huge piece of those stories. Money. Boeing has the money to bury any story and clog up whatever issues might arise from people dying. It's a billion dollar company. If someone dies and they sue (Disregarding if they could win or not) that would place a pretty large burden on the P99 crew both financially and mentally. Who knows if they would be able to afford to fight a case. Lots of smaller companies tend to settle to avoid lengthy court battles.

[Crovax]

dont destroy these nerds fantasy that someone will literally die so they can get an ez mode manastone

Did someone ask for an ez mode manastone? I don't think I have seen that. I have seen people point out the problem with the current system.

I myself, have suggesting allowing a sleep breaking after having camped for 24 hours, and I also suggested just removing it completely (Which is more non-existent mode lol). Or removing it from list entirely (Which I guess would make it a lot harder for some but also easier for others).

You are acting like these people aren't at the camp doing it right now. Almond was there. MJ from the other thread were there. These are people who are getting it the hard way. I am currently there myself on hour 14. I will be getting it myself.

If the method to get them is changed it won't benefit me at all. But seeing people stay up for 60 hours (and not get it lol) should clearly show there is a problem with the current system.

No one here is saying, "Lets make it so it only takes a few hours to get it". Or, "Lets make it so it only takes 20 hours to get it non-stop". We are just saying it shouldn't take over 30 hours for it to drop just once (Not total wait time but just wait time for a single drop). It shouldn't be forcing people to stay awake actively on their computer non-stop for over 60 hours.

[Almond]

Did someone ask for an ez mode manastone? I don't think I have seen that. I have seen people point out the problem with the current system.

I myself, have suggesting allowing a sleep breaking after having camped for 24 hours, and I also suggested just removing it completely (Which is more non-existent mode lol). Or removing it from list entirely (Which I guess would make it a lot harder for some but also easier for others).

You are acting like these people aren't at the camp doing it right now. Almond was there. MJ from the other thread were there. These are people who are getting it the hard way. I am currently there myself on hour 14. I will be getting it myself.

If the method to get them is changed it won't benefit me at all. But seeing people stay up for 60 hours (and not get it lol) should clearly show there is a problem with the current system.

No one here is saying, "Lets make it so it only takes a few hours to get it". Or, "Lets make it so it only takes 20 hours to get it non-stop". We are just saying it shouldn't take over 30 hours for it to drop just once (Not total wait time but just wait time for a single drop). It shouldn't be forcing people to stay awake actively on their computer non-stop for over 60 hours.

There is just no middle ground with some people.. They just immediately think we are asking for Free or Easy Manastone... and instead when I am sitting here at the camp I am truly worried about some of my fellow p99 players that are in my group on hour 40+ but feel committed because they are #1... how far will they push themselves... its a sickening system...

[ZiggyTheMuss]

There is just no middle ground with some people.. They just immediately think we are asking for Free or Easy Manastone... and instead when I am sitting here at the camp I am truly worried about some of my fellow p99 players that are in my group on hour 40+ but feel committed because they are #1... how far will they push themselves... its a sickening system...

The only thing sickening here is how bleak your life must be to actually endure this.

No one except you is forcing you to put yourself through this ordeal. I am certainly enjoying the show from here though. These manastone butthurt threads are far more glorious than I anticipated after they announced the /list system.

Shut it off, go outside. Embrace another human being. Stop and marvel at all the cool shit and convenience available to you in your first world country.

Or just you know, keep plugging away while crying the whole time and trying to blame anyone except yourself for being so pathetic.

[Swish]

You just pass this off as your own?

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/cnowfl/race_to_60_choosing_the_right_diapers_i_know_its/

That's an Oleris thing, applied also to a gif I once made him.

[Neverwinter27]

You can't even use this item on Kunark or Velious, and only certain classes can make full use of it, so what's the big deal here

[Swish]

Honestly I think someone is going to get hurt. Would anyone on the list be interested in vlogging their manastone list/looting experience and uploading to YouTube?

[Crovax]

The only thing sickening here is how bleak your life must be to actually endure this.


Are you both suggesting, "Your life must be bleak to endure this"
and, "Let's not change anything"?


No one except you is forcing you to put yourself through this ordeal.

I don't think anyone said, "Why are you forcing me to do this?!". Not one person. We are doing it. We are pointing out how flawed and broken the mechanic is for the manastone. Forcing someone to stay awake and actively at their keyboard for 60+hours is not a good mechanic. In fact I would say it is a dangerous mechanic for a persons health if they choose to use it.

You are acting like people are saying, "We aren't going to do this!" We are doing it. Just, again, pointing out how bad it is. And how dangerous it could be to a persons health.


I am certainly enjoying the show from here though. These manastone butthurt threads are far more glorious than I anticipated after they announced the /list system.

Trying to be cool, or is there a point you were trying to make here?



Shut it off, go outside. Embrace another human being. Stop and marvel at all the cool shit and convenience available to you in your first world country.

I have been enjoying this world for awhile. I have actually been enjoying hanging out with the other people here too. Feel like I made some new friends. Doesn't change the fact that a mechanic that forces people to stay awake for 60 hours straight is a bad mechanic and unsafe.


Or just you know, keep plugging away while crying the whole time and trying to blame anyone except yourself for being so pathetic.


What are you rambling about? Blame people for what exactly? No one here is saying, "How dare you make me do this!", or, "This is your fault!". We are also providing the feedback that the system doesn't work for the manastone drop. This mechanic with 60 hours straight non-stop is both bad design and dangerous.

Now if someone does dies from it. Then yeah, we might see threads where people throw blame out. But that hasn't happened and hopefully our feedback is heard and things are changed so it never happens.

[Albane]

You can't even use this item on Kunark or Velious, and only certain classes can make full use of it, so what's the big deal here

The only purpose is for some internal feeling of accomplishment of getting a 20 year old item that was made useless for a reason. I find it sad to know people have spent more than a few hours camping any item in this game in 2019.

[Almond]

The only thing sickening here is how bleak your life must be to actually endure this.

No one except you is forcing you to put yourself through this ordeal. I am certainly enjoying the show from here though. These manastone butthurt threads are far more glorious than I anticipated after they announced the /list system.

Shut it off, go outside. Embrace another human being. Stop and marvel at all the cool shit and convenience available to you in your first world country.

Or just you know, keep plugging away while crying the whole time and trying to blame anyone except yourself for being so pathetic.

Wow... project much? I’m not even in game.

You don’t even consider that I just have Empathy for other players. There is a Druid right now on Teal named Alport going on hour 40... he is in the #1 spot... I don’t know him, but from the few hours I did talk with him he seemed like a good guy. Said he took off work to get a manastone. I hope he gets it.

I just hopped on for 2 min to tell him, “hey man get some water, stretch, walk around a bit”


What should I have done Instead ziggy? Ridiculed him?

The whole argument “no one is making you...” is complete garbage. You have a large group of min/maxers that play this 20 year old game for a reason. That group is going to do whatever it takes to get the best items.

All I’m saying - you can make the item hard to get and rare without promoting unhealthy behavior.

Hell if the /list command kicked you off after 8 hours with a 8 hour cool down the item would be just as hard and just as rare but wouldn’t allow people to consecutily stay on for 50 hours at the camp.

[Crovax]

The only purpose is for some internal feeling of accomplishment of getting a 20 year old item that was made useless for a reason. I find it sad to know people have spent more than a few hours camping any item in this game in 2019.

You hit it right on the bottom for me. I never got one on the live server. It is one of those things I want to do to make younger me proud, lol.

I been up since like 4:30am (6:45Pm now) and I will stay up for 60 hours if that is what it takes.

No one is saying, "Make this easy!", or "Just give me a manastone". Just pointing out that it is a bad system when people are expected to stay awake non-stop with no breaks longer than 10-15 minutes for 60 hours straight. Though as many have pointed out it is more than a bad system because it is quite possibly pretty dangerous.

[solleks]

2019 VIRTUE SIGNALING FOR MANASTONES

[ZiggyTheMuss]

If he dies, he dies.

[Crovax]

2019 VIRTUE SIGNALING FOR MANASTONES

Guess you realized your argument made no sense and was based on a straw man fallacy and instead of realizing you are wrong, or trying to come up with a different argument this is what we get?

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Oh shaddup Cervix.

Point is there are only a small number of people who are going to be willing to go to these lengths to obtain this precious stone. Who cares about those people. The majority of healthy players with lives don't care about that shit.

List and droprates are fine as is, CARRY ON!!!!

[Crovax]

Oh shaddup Cervix.

Point is there are only a small number of people who are going to be willing to go to these lengths to obtain this precious stone.

I have 50 more hours so I will be here for 50 more hours to responsd. I am one of them. I am grouped with 5 others doing it and one person who accomplished it. His last manastone took him 30 hours to get. Not for a full rotation. But for him at 1#.



Who cares about those people. The majority of healthy players with lives don't care about that shit.

List and droprates are fine as is, CARRY ON!!!!

The fact that you think peoples lives is something people shouldn't care about says a lot. It doesn't make sense to say, "These people might die but who cares!" and then follow it with, "People may die and I don't care but the list and drop rates are fine!" Lol. Wut?

[Almond]

Oh shaddup Cervix.

Point is there are only a small number of people who are going to be willing to go to these lengths to obtain this precious stone. Who cares about those people. The majority of healthy players with lives don't care about that shit.

List and droprates are fine as is, CARRY ON!!!!

It’s interesting that your only able to judge one type of player that you apparently loathe... you literally say they don’t matter... but not once seem to have any objective thought on a brand new system, it’s impact, or ramifications.

If /list didn’t exsist do you think these people would be doing 50+ hours consecutively ? Or do you think they would work with their guilds to control the camp in healthier (less that 24 hour) shifts ?

It’s like some how you decided the system is unquestionable and decided anyone who tries should be dehumanized.

[Bazia]

this thread was very neccesary

[solleks]

Tldr : why are you making me hurt myself?! Look what you're doing to me!

[Crovax]

Tldr : why are you making me hurt myself?! Look what you're doing to me!

Guess you realized your argument made no sense and was based on a straw man fallacy and instead of realizing you are wrong, or trying to come up with a different argument this is what we get?

[korzax]

You just pass this off as your own?

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/cnowfl/race_to_60_choosing_the_right_diapers_i_know_its/

And you remembered the original post.

[solleks]

At no point was i arguing with anyone.

Tldr ; why wont u stop me from video gaming myself???

[turbosilk]

I don't think anyone said, "Why are you forcing me to do this?!". Not one person. We are doing it. We are pointing out how flawed and broken the mechanic is for the manastone. Forcing someone to stay awake and actively at their keyboard for 60+hours is not a good mechanic. In fact I would say it is a dangerous mechanic for a persons health if they choose to use it.


The game isn't forcing you to stay up. You are forcing yourself to stay up. If you are going to do it there is no need to complain.

Only 180 more days available to camp it...

[Almond]

And you remembered the original post.

And you changed the first section to play it off as if it was yours originally but then missed the BFA race to 120 later in the post... I guess being funny with someone else’s material is important to you.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

That was a quote from Rocky IV you shitneck. Are you that sleep deprived already? Despite what you may want to believe, I don't ACTUALLY want anyone to die.

HOWEVER, I do not have sympathy for people who commit suicide so why should I be concerned about the people who are voluntarily putting themselves through this?

The list is fine, the drop rates are fine.


The list is the BEST they could do while keeping the manastone in the game. We have volunteer guides who do NOT deserve to deal with the bullshit that would have risen from the camp without a list in place.

You do at least agree that waiting in line for the camp is the right thing I would imagine? The list is there to ensure that people adhere to this and that there is no passing-of-the camp to the next guildie BS going on.

The AFK checks? I think that is a great solution to stop people from AFKing for long periods of time while other people do the work. What else can they do to avoid people from abusing the system they have put in place?

There is NO solution that they could have come up with that would make everyone happy, but apparently the one solution that would save you neckbeards from yourselves would have been to leave manastone and other legacy items out of the game, period, and that goes against the whole purpose of this project made possible by the glorious Nilbog.

Bottom line: their server, their rules.

What do you think should be changed? No list? Manastones dropping like candy? Remove them? What exactly do you propose?

[Crovax]

The game isn't forcing you to stay up. You are forcing yourself to stay up.

Only 180 more days available to camp it...

I didn't mean literally. I don't think they are pointing a gun to our head. But if we choose to get it. That is the mechanic we have to follow and the consequences of it.


If you are going to do it there is no need to complain.

Only 180 more days available to camp it...

This part is incorrect. Feedback is always important. Especially when the devs themselves have stated things may change in the future based on how it turns out. Maybe they expected 60 hours non-stop playing with no rest to be the way it is meant to be. In which case I imagine we will see them respond eventually to it.

Or maybe they are listening and the feedback from the people actually doing it would be the people to listen to for feedback (That is kind of the way feedback works lol). Wouldn't make sense to think, "There is people who aren't using the list and think it is pathetic to use it and they don't care. Should we listen to their opinion on the list? Or should we listen to the people who actually used the /list to find out if /list is working as intended for that location"

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Tldr ; why wont u stop me from video gaming myself???

[turbosilk]

That was a quote from Rocky IV you shitneck. Are you that sleep deprived already? Despite what you may want to believe, I don't ACTUALLY want anyone to die.

HOWEVER, I do not have sympathy for people who commit suicide so why should I be concerned about the people who are voluntarily putting themselves through this?

The list is fine, the drop rates are fine.


The list is the BEST they could do while keeping the manastone in the game. We have volunteer guides who do NOT deserve to deal with the bullshit that would have risen from the camp without a list in place.

You do at least agree that waiting in line for the camp is the right thing I would imagine? The list is there to ensure that people adhere to this and that there is no passing-of-the camp to the next guildie BS going on.

The AFK checks? I think that is a great solution to stop people from AFKing for long periods of time while other people do the work. What else can they do to avoid people from abusing the system they have put in place?

There is NO solution that they could have come up with that would make everyone happy, but apparently the one solution that would save you neckbeards from yourselves would have been to leave manastone and other legacy items out of the game, period, and that goes against the whole purpose of this project made possible by the glorious Nilbog.

Bottom line: their server, their rules.

What do you think should be changed? No list? Manastones dropping like candy? Remove them? What exactly do you propose?

The voice of reason right here.

[Almond]

The game isn't forcing you to stay up. You are forcing yourself to stay up. If you are going to do it there is no need to complain.

Only 180 more days available to camp it...

Sunk cost fallacy is a thing... you can’t just pretend it doesn’t exsist... people are going to EE with uninformed or healthy intentions then get to #2 or #1 and now feel trapped or committed. We are rewarding the behavior by guarentting the item if the stay on.

I watched Lilstun literally get to #1 in 6 hours... then sit there for 29 hours at #1. You can’t just say “no one making you do it” when he is literally being promised and rewarded the next one.

I would love to see the data on number of people that attain #1 but just log off willingly with no stone vs missed an afk check (aka passed out).

[Videri]

I thought the goal behind pointing out the flaws of the current system is to eventually inspire alternatives. The practical response is either to ignore the "whines" or think of alternatives. There is no need to get mad.

[Crovax]

I don't ACTUALLY want anyone to die.

Then I take it you are okay with an alternative to the /list or change to it that doesn't require 60+ hours straight of non-stop playing?


HOWEVER, I do not have sympathy for people who commit suicide so why should I be concerned about the people who are voluntarily putting themselves through this?

Are you really telling me you think, "This mechanic is the same as suicide and I don't care if people die to suicide" and, "The list is fine, even though I think of using it as the same as suicide"? You realize how little sense that makes, right?



What do you think should be changed? No list? Manastones dropping like candy? Remove them? What exactly do you propose?

Strawman fallacy. I never once said it should drop like candy. I have hinted at allowing a 6 hour sleep break after having camped for 24 hours straight. I have also suggested just removing the item entirely. And removing it from /list. I have seen other people mention ideas as well. Every idea will have its pro's and con's. But one of the con's shouldn't be, "If someone uses the system as intended it could result in death". Or so extreme that someone will use an analogy like suicide to describe it.

[bubur]

jeez if what I'm reading is true (tho I'd want additional confirmation), that's some awful luck

just remember folks, you have 6 more months to do this. that's longer than any tlp stayed in one xpac. it's most of a pregnancy. I'm reading extremes, 29 hrs for one drop.. But please be aware it can and has drop back to back in 30 min

[korzax]

And you changed the first section to play it off as if it was yours originally but then missed the BFA race to 120 later in the post... I guess being funny with someone else’s material is important to you.

Yeah, you got the wrong guy. I didn't post it.

[Almond]

That was a quote from Rocky IV you shitneck. Are you that sleep deprived already? Despite what you may want to believe, I don't ACTUALLY want anyone to die.

HOWEVER, I do not have sympathy for people who commit suicide so why should I be concerned about the people who are voluntarily putting themselves through this?

The list is fine, the drop rates are fine.


The list is the BEST they could do while keeping the manastone in the game. We have volunteer guides who do NOT deserve to deal with the bullshit that would have risen from the camp without a list in place.

You do at least agree that waiting in line for the camp is the right thing I would imagine? The list is there to ensure that people adhere to this and that there is no passing-of-the camp to the next guildie BS going on.

The AFK checks? I think that is a great solution to stop people from AFKing for long periods of time while other people do the work. What else can they do to avoid people from abusing the system they have put in place?

There is NO solution that they could have come up with that would make everyone happy, but apparently the one solution that would save you neckbeards from yourselves would have been to leave manastone and other legacy items out of the game, period, and that goes against the whole purpose of this project made possible by the glorious Nilbog.

Bottom line: their server, their rules.

What do you think should be changed? No list? Manastones dropping like candy? Remove them? What exactly do you propose?

I support any solution from removing it, to changing the list system, to drop rates... ANY of them that don’t reward players for risking their health and promote 40-50 hours of consecutive camping. I don’t care what the outcome is over except for it to not put players at risk.

I mean read your own post and words man... if I have to choose between guilds locking it up and guides being bothered vs 50+ hour camps for people I choose the former.

There were reports of 3 people on green passing out in #1 or 2 spot today... I guess they fall in that no sympathy catagory for you.

[korzax]

Just get rid of the manastone, you don't need it to 'win' the game.

[bubur]

Just get rid of the manastone, you don't need it to 'win' the game.

Yes but don't get rid of the one I ady got :o

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Then I take it you are okay with an alternative to the /list or change to it that doesn't require 60+ hours straight of non-stop playing?


Removing the list would not change the amount of time it takes to get the item to drop. All it would do is serve to allow more fuckery and more petitions for the unpaid staff.

I am open to an alternative that makes sense, sure. Nothing has been suggested that comes close though. The list is the closest to keeping it classic while also ensuring the staff don't wake up every morning to a bunch of manastone related petitions.


Are you really telling me you think, "This mechanic is the same as suicide and I don't care if people die to suicide" and, "The list is fine, even though I think of using it as the same as suicide"? You realize how little sense that makes, right?

Even if the list was removed, people would still be staying up for ungodly amounts of time to ensure that their spot didn't get handed off to someone else. What is it exactly that you envision happening if the list were removed? Everyone playing nice and waiting in line still? If that's the case then that is just simply adorable of you! The players here have shown time and time again what they will resort to for items that drop all the time. We are talking about one of the rarest and most coveted items in classic here that only drops for a short period of time.

Again, what is the alternative that you propose?

[Bazia]

i never knew how obsessed people were about manastones, its like 6 threads a day with 100 replies per thread

[bubur]

i never knew how obsessed people were about manastones, its like 6 threads a day with 100 replies per thread

this is just the early stages. Would be interested to see the /count on where the masses are at in levels on both servers today and in the next few weeks :eek:

[Crovax]

Removing the list would not change the amount of time it takes to get the item to drop. All it would do is serve to allow more fuckery and more petitions for the unpaid staff.

No but it would allow people to sleep. If I decided to do it with friends or guilds I can sleep. Which makes it not like suicide. But my suggestion isn't just, "Remove the list". That is just one suggestion. My suggestion is currently just: The current list mechanic has the consequence of staying up non-stop for 60+ hours and that is extremely unhealthy.



I am open to an alternative that makes sense, sure. Nothing has been suggested that comes close though. The list is the closest to keeping it classic while also ensuring the staff don't wake up every morning to a bunch of manastone related petitions.

I like my suggestion of just allowing a sleep break after someone has been at the camp doing the afk check for 24 hours straight. We can currently already be logged out for the 900 seconds. So just make an option like that that is allowed after 24 hours but instead of 900 seconds it is 6 hours or so and only usable once every 24 hours. But that is just one suggestion and I am sure the guides, and devs would be able to think of a better one. I talked to a guide earlier about this and they said they have talked about the issue so I know they are at the very least thinking of it.




Even if the list was removed, people would still be staying up for ungodly amounts of time to ensure that their spot didn't get handed off to someone else. What is it exactly that you envision happening if the list were removed? Everyone playing nice and waiting in line still? If that's the case then that is just simply adorable of you! The players here have shown time and time again what they will resort to for items that drop all the time. We are talking about one of the rarest and most coveted items in classic here that only drops for a short period of time.

Again, what is the alternative that you propose?

You really are enjoying the straw man tactic, uh? Again. I am not here saying, "This is the best method use mine!" And I am certainly not saying, "Remove the list and everything would be perfect!". But I would rather have a few elite guilds hoarding it then people playing to the point of exhaustion and passing out at 60 hours. Though I would prefer an alternative version of /list. Maybe a slight change to either the spawn timer, or rate. Or keep it the same but give people away to sleep every 24-36 hours. But again, my most important point is that the current system when using as intended at the manastone camp is pretty unhealthy and could use some tinkering.

[Almond]

Again, what is the alternative that you propose?

The first step is admitting there is a problem. We aren’t there yet till enough attention is created for the staff to chime in.

No one is proposing an exact fix because it will derail the conversation. The goal isn’t to develop the perfect solution here and now because frankly their may not be a perfect solution.

But in its current form it’s a very unhealthy camp and will only get worse as the masses move to it and hit 35. Some of them will walk away ... some won’t... and some when closer to the date of its removal may make terrible choices.

Happy to debate alternitaves in another thread- but I’d like to contain this one to 50+ hour camps put players at risk.

[Nikkanu]

This is crazy. I didn't start on Blue server until late 2013 and have multiple Manastones on Blue without investing 50+ hours straight to camp one. I can't imagine putting so much effort into camping one on a server where they will be super common and worth a fraction of what they are worth on Blue.

[bubur]

This is crazy. I didn't start on Blue server until late 2013 and have multiple Manastones on Blue without investing 50+ hours straight to camp one. I can't imagine putting so much effort into camping one on a server where they will be super common and worth a fraction of what they are worth on Blue.

Wtt manastone for rubi BP + fbss

Not real btw don't send me forum msgs...but yes you will see this in the next 6 months

[Spock2020]

I thought I saw rogean saying manastone, guise and jboots gonna become no trade at one point and for sure before merge with blue.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

No but it would allow people to sleep. If I decided to do it with friends or guilds I can sleep. Which makes it not like suicide. But my suggestion isn't just, "Remove the list". That is just one suggestion. My suggestion is currently just: The current list mechanic has the consequence of staying up non-stop for 60+ hours and that is extremely unhealthy.

It would "allow" people to sleep. LOL. All of the healthy people with minimal mental illness don't need someone else to "allow" them to sleep in the first place. We are going to keep coming back to this point which you can't see or refuse to see for some reason.


I like my suggestion of just allowing a sleep break after someone has been at the camp doing the afk check for 24 hours straight. We can currently already be logged out for the 900 seconds. So just make an option like that that is allowed after 24 hours but instead of 900 seconds it is 6 hours or so and only usable once every 24 hours. But that is just one suggestion and I am sure the guides, and devs would be able to think of a better one. I talked to a guide earlier about this and they said they have talked about the issue so I know they are at the very least thinking of it.

This is a suggestion, sure. Not a good one. Imagine being number one in line at the camp, then all of a sudden 10 random people just woke up from their "6 hour sleep breaks" and now you are number 11. This is just going to create an even larger convoluted mess and will leave everything further and further away from Nilbog's vision than where we are now with the list.



You really are enjoying the straw man tactic, uh? Again. I am not here saying, "This is the best method use mine!" And I am certainly not saying, "Remove the list and everything would be perfect!". But I would rather have a few elite guilds hoarding it then people playing to the point of exhaustion and passing out at 60 hours. Though I would prefer an alternative version of /list. Maybe a slight change to either the spawn timer, or rate. Or keep it the same but give people away to sleep every 24-36 hours.

Propose a real alternative then instead of whining like a little bitch all day. Removing the list is out of the question (see: unpaid staff)

Silly me though trying to debate realistic solutions with somebody who someone finds time to stay up for 50 hours to stare at a virtual wall on the internet to obtain an item that will marginally improve your gameplay... I am now off to go handle some of these real life obligations now that you may have heard other people talk about from time to time.

Good luck in there! Don't forget to stretch and stay hydrated. <3

[zaneosak]

You guys that are complaining with 0 proposed solutions should go into American politics. You'd be some top notch career politicians and make a lot more money than selling your manastone for usd could ever make.

[bubur]

A lot of suggestions put forward here so far and I'm not saying they suck

But

Keep in mind the staff is working with the titanium client under contract with dbg. Nobody but them knows the details of what is a) mechanically possible and b) contractually possible

For example, they may have wanted to randomize the location of afk check boxes, but couldn't due to one of the above reasons. TLDR the more a "solution" increases in complexity, the more unlikely it is. In the end, you can ask them to increase the drop rate, at best.

Hek even the current list system may have been pushing it

[Videri]

You guys that are complaining with 0 proposed solutions should go into American politics. You'd be some top notch career politicians and make a lot more money than selling your manastone for usd could ever make.

I mean, some of them are putting forward some possible tweaks. For example:

Maybe a slight change to either the spawn timer, or rate. Or keep it the same but give people away to sleep every 24-36 hours.

Someone suggested limiting /list time to 8 hours or something. That would cause faster list turnover and somewhat randomize the recipient, while also not incentivizing being on the list for longer than 8 hours. It might be hard to predict the metagame that will result from changes like this, but it's probably worth discussing.

[Almond]

You guys that are complaining with 0 proposed solutions should go into American politics. You'd be some top notch career politicians and make a lot more money than selling your manastone for usd could ever make.

I don’t need to propose a solution my goal has already been completed. We are 11 pages deep... I got people talking about the issue.

Phase two - I’ll update tomorrow with mana stone drops and estimated total camp times...

The masses are still leveling up... if nothing is done the total camp times will only increase as the queue for /list gets longer each day as more show up... that means more people going for it and passing out...

I’ll provide data let’s see where it goes.

[bubur]

Well I mean don't feel too good cuz we get a 10 page manastone thread every day

Data is good though. Staff likes data

[Crovax]

It would "allow" people to sleep. LOL. All of the healthy people with minimal mental illness don't need someone else to "allow" them to sleep in the first place. We are going to keep coming back to this point which you can't see or refuse to see for some reason.

I am talking about the game mechanics being used as intended. If you are saying, "A sane person wouldn't do that", and also, "I think a sane person wouldn't use the mechanic but lets not change it at all" then that makes no point. Just like when you said, "Using the mechanic is suicide" then, "Lets not change it at all". We are going to keep coming back to this point which you can't see or refuse to see for some reason.



This is a suggestion, sure. Not a good one. Imagine being number one in line at the camp, then all of a sudden 10 random people just woke up from their "6 hour sleep breaks" and now you are number 11. This is just going to create an even larger convoluted mess and will leave everything further and further away from Nilbog's vision than where we are now with the list.

That's fair but like I said. My main point isn't, "I have a perfection solution". It's, "There is a problem and it should be addressed".




Propose a real alternative then instead of whining like a little bitch all day. Removing the list is out of the question (see: unpaid staff)



Sounds like you are trying to distract from the issue. Again. I will repeat. My main point was never, "I have a perfect solution that will make everyone happy and it is _______". My point from the start and to the finish is the current method as intended has a consequence of people to remaining awake and vigilant for 60+ hours and that is extremely unhealthy.


Silly me though trying to debate realistic solutions with somebody who someone finds time to stay up for 50 hours to stare at a virtual wall on the internet to obtain an item that will marginally improve your gameplay... I am now off to go handle some of these real life obligations now that you may have heard other people talk about from time to time.

I find it so odd. You have called using the current system the same as suicide. You try to demean people using it as well and then turn around and defend it lol.I took time off work to do this. I am going to do it. But I am going to give appropriate feedback as someone who has done it.

I imagine since the devs are looking into it they are going to want feedback from people who did it. And not from people who think it is suicide, and the people who do it are to be demeaned---But then for some reason are happy with it lol.



Good luck in there! Don't forget to stretch and stay hydrated. <3

Thanks. I will pass that message to the people in the group :) I know we are butting heads on this issue but it is clear we both care about this project.

[jacob54311]

Manastone is a completely nonessential item that a small percentage of players seem to be obsessed with acquiring. It's really not causing any problems in the game beyond those players having to spend a ridiculous amount of time camping the place where it drops, in order to have a chance to loot one.

This is a problem that I don't think deserves much more of the devs' precious time. Any strife its causing is completely self inflicted by those campers.

Best solution to manastone "issues": Don't camp the manastone.

[Crovax]

Manastone is a completely nonessential item that a small percentage of players seem to be obsessed with acquiring. It's really not causing any problems in the game beyond those players having to spend a ridiculous amount of time camping the place where it drops, in order to have a chance to loot one.

This is a problem that I don't think deserves much more of the devs' precious time. Any strife its causing is completely self inflicted by the players trying to get one.

Best solution to manastone "issues": Don't camp the manastone.

If you the best solution to the manastone issue is don't camp it. Then it sounds like there is an issue that should be resolved. We aren't talking about a random item that no one wants or cares about.

It is a highly sought after item that will be removed. And not causing any problems yet. If we have people staying up 60+ hours it is only a matter of time until there is a serious real world problem caused from it.

[Natewest1987]

This is kind of scary considering most of us are probably not already in the best of health, and there’s a large portion of the community that would throw in dangerous substances ( when abused ) to stay awake and alert for that long. Devs need to think about this, seriously. One thing we all have in common is that we’re going to die eventually, so let’s do eachother A favor and discourage that event be caused by mana stone camping.

Can you imagine the news story ? 45 year old man child: death by poopsocking. Ok I kid, but seriously. This list was a good try. I’m not stupid enough to try that camp, but there are plenty of people that are.

[jacob54311]

If you the best solution to the manastone issue is don't camp it. Then it sounds like there is an issue that should be resolved. We aren't talking about a random item that no one wants or cares about.

It is a highly sought after item that will be removed. And not causing any problems yet. If we have people staying up 60+ hours it is only a matter of time until there is a serious real world problem caused from it.

Certain items being rare has always been a facet of this game.

Since the item is completely nonessential to advancing any class in the game, I think my simple solution is preferable to bothering the devs and taking their time away from other things.

[Crovax]

Certain items being rare has always been a facet of this game.

Since the item is completely nonessential to advancing any class in the game, I think my simple solution is preferable to bothering the devs and taking their time away from other things.

If you are then suggesting they remove it I would agree with that more than the current list. Then at least no one will get hurt trying it. No other camp does that. If I am farming an item I can farm it and when tired go to sleep and pick it up later.

With the /list if you are there for 12 hours, you are suddenly invested 12 hours because if you leave you go to the end of the list. Once you hit 25-35 hours you are no longer thinking straight and the sunken cost fallacy kicks in even more since you are now a whole day in. It is a recipe for bad decisions.

If you are saying they should remove it so they don't have to worry about it. Sure. That is an option. Not my preferred one but it is one. If you are saying, "Don't do it because it's not worth it" and, "Let's keep it the same" then... That doesn't make sense.

[indiscriminate_hater]

This just in: players upset that a rare item is hard to get. Film at 11

[aaezil]

As it stands today you have two options to obtain a manastone

#1 be unemployed and also enough of a loser to spend 50+ hours straight clicking afk checks

#2 be unemployed and also have 2-4 unemployed friends who have enough free time to log in the toon when you eventually go to sleep at 4 am or whatever to click for you until you wake up

Kind of sucks that people account sharing have a much higher chance of success than any single player.

Proposed solution:
After 8 hours auto advance the list by 1 whether it drops or not. #1 person drops to bottom of list and #2 on list becomes #1 etc...

Allows you to both have meaningful employment and perhaps even a wife and social life and also get a chance at manastone.

Also evens the playing field so account sharers dont get an advantage.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk and as always I eagerly await your autistic screeching rebuttals!

[jacob54311]

This just in: players upset that a rare item is hard to get. Film at 11

LOL. Demand changes be made to the game by devs!

I still stand by my solution. Has worked fine for me over the years with such very hard to get items.

[Crovax]

This just in: players upset that a rare item is hard to get. Film at 11

It is not exactly hard to get. We are literally standing around its spawn with no danger. No threat. No spawns. Heck no chance of a roamer or anything. Could afk here waiting for your turn by just /sit.

I wouldn't call waiting 28 minutes to nuke something down hard. It is rare but that is not the issue either. The issue is a system that has us remain on a /list clicking an afk check for 60 hours straight for the item. It is in that context that rare becomes an issue while being rare isn't the problem. Just the circumstances around it.

[Spock2020]

Is it the same on both servers or just in 1.

[Videri]

Is it the same on both servers or just in 1.

Spawn rates and drop rates can be assumed to be the same on both servers, and the /list system certainly is. Teal may have fewer people on the list as the population is somewhat smaller. Did I understand your question right?

[Crovax]

LOL. Demand changes be made to the game by devs!

I still stand by my solution. Has worked fine for me over the years with such very hard to get items.

Just making up lies? Can you quote the player who has demanded the devs do anything?

I know me and Almond have pointed to the current situation but I haven't seen either of us say, "The Devs Need to do________". We are providing feedback that seems very much needed.

Having people constantly active without rest for 60+ hours is unhealthy and I doubt it is their intention. They already mentioned if they feel there needs to be a change they can do it. We are providing that feedback.

[jacob54311]

Just making up lies? Can you quote the player who has demanded the devs do anything?



Is there another way that any of these proposed changes are going to become part of the game?

[Spock2020]

Yeah it's just that sometimes random generator can be weird and manastone dropping more in 1 then the other.

[Crovax]

Is there another way that any of these proposed changes are going to become part of the game?

I haven't seriously proposed any change. Unless you count the time where someone says, "What are your solutions" and I give a few possible answers. And always point out my main point is the current system is extremely unhealthy and needs to be looked into.

This isn't, "Devs need to change this!". It is, "This is our feedback. The current system is unhealthy and can lead to some serious issues down the line as more people reach level 35".

[jacob54311]

I haven't seriously proposed any change. Unless you count the time where someone says, "What are your solutions" and I give a few possible answers. And always point out my main point is the current system is extremely unhealthy and needs to be looked into.

This isn't, "Devs need to change this!". It is, "This is our feedback. The current system is unhealthy and can lead to some serious issues down the line as more people reach level 35".

You are really splitting hairs. Not suggestions, but feedback?

Semantic arguments like that are what people resort to when they hopelessly wrong.

[Videri]

@Valeriya

A lot of right-wingers gettin' real triggered by a little whining ITT. What's up with you guys on that? It almost seems like some kind of outrage culture at outrage culture.

[Crovax]

You are really splitting hairs. Not suggestions, but feedback?

Semantic arguments like that are what people resort to when they hopelessly wrong.

You understand the hypocrisy in that statement right? You said demanded. Now you are walking it back to suggestion. I would agree that feedback is pretty similar to a suggestion.

But neither suggestion or feedback is close to a demand.

[Jimjam]

If you the best solution to the manastone issue is don't camp it. Then it sounds like there is an issue that should be resolved. We aren't talking about a random item that no one wants or cares about.

It is a highly sought after item that will be removed. And not causing any problems yet. If we have people staying up 60+ hours it is only a matter of time until there is a serious real world problem caused from it.

Chasing pixels for 60 hours at a time is a symptom, not cause, of real world problems.

[WaffleztheAndal]

The 8 hour limit on the camp sounds like a good solution.

[skorge]

The 8 hour limit on the camp sounds like a good solution.

This.

[Almond]

'11/12/19 09:24:04 AM --Wuneye has looted a Manastone.--
11/13/19 02:15:00 PM --Lilstun has looted a Manastone.-- '

Getting reports that Alport got a Mana stone around 2-3 am.. which would have put him around 12 hours @ #1 and 40+ hours total...

Unfortunately the person behind him (Creations) who i know had been on for 30+ I am told passed out... will look to confirm when they are on today.

[Muggens]

Read the three first pages of this thread and felt sick

[Unslaved]

P99 will be made world famous the first time someone passes away from the silliness of camping pixels for hours on end. Its actually a turn off from playing this server from reading stuff like this...:(:(:(

[Quinas]

Chasing pixels for 60 hours at a time is a symptom, not cause, of real world problems.

:cool:

[Purplefluffy]

P99 will be made world famous the first time someone passes away from the silliness of camping pixels for hours on end. Its actually a turn off from playing this server from reading stuff like this...:(:(:(

I think the secret to enjoying EQ is not to take it too seriously and to treat it as an escape to unwind. The moment it becomes stressful and antagonising is when it ceases its function as a piece entertainment and becomes but work.

[Wwen42]

MS is a trifling issue. Trifling. People have the freedom to make poor life choices. Folks like Crovax make it their life's purpose to make everyone care about trifling personal issues no one else cares about.

[astrological]

I would support this 100%

Just remove all legacy items and /list

On board!!

[Lulz Sect]

I think the secret to enjoying EQ is not to take it too seriously and to treat it as an escape to unwind. The moment it becomes stressful and antagonising is when it ceases its function as a piece entertainment and becomes but work.

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