Ian this how camps work....

[Robersonroger38]

This guy is Alf when I arrive at zone , wait a few
Minutes and he’s afk for 3-4 min before I pull.. then 30mins plus goes by , he’s still afk and comes back and says he’s doesn’t loose his camp?????? Really.....

[jacob54311]

30 mins is too long, IMO.

[Brut]

Damned aliens coming and taking our camps.

[Argh]

You took a picture of your monitor with your phone and couldn't rotate it?

[tinklepee]

Kind of hard to rotate your monitor and take a picture of it at the same time.

[Vallaen]

next time can you turn your monitor

[Danth]

You're not holding a camp if you aren't clearing it. Simply sitting there doing nothing next to a fully-spawned camp is not sufficient to maintain a claim. Here's the relevant cut-and-paste Landris quote from the P1999 rules post; not using quote feature so it remains visible if someone else quotes my post:

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"that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared"

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Looks pretty straightforward to me.

That being said that "reported bro" crap rubs me the wrong way. You could at least try to be somewhat civil rather than immediately go into rude mode. You could call out a GM to explain things without the not-so-veiled threat. There are a lot of newbies on Green/Teal and it's possible the other player may have misunderstood.

Danth

[Sizar]

Hide your cats, Alf's in town

[DMN]

You're not holding a camp if you aren't clearing it. Simply sitting there doing nothing next to a fully-spawned camp is not sufficient to maintain a claim. Here's the relevant cut-and-paste Landris quote from the P1999 rules post; not using quote feature so it remains visible if someone else quotes my post:

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"that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared"

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Looks pretty straightforward to me.

That being said that "reported bro" crap rubs me the wrong way. You could at least try to be somewhat civil rather than immediately go into rude mode. You could call out a GM to explain things without the not-so-veiled threat. There are a lot of newbies on Green/Teal and it's possible the other player may have misunderstood.

Danth


Well, with caveat that you are supposed to give them "reasonable time" to kill the mob. But that is of course going to be subjective opinion.

[AgentEpilot]

How fuckin lazy are you to not rotate a picture before posting it? Jesus Christ.

[Legidias]

Reported for not rotating picture

[jacob54311]

Well, with caveat that you are supposed to give them "reasonable time" to kill the mob. But that is of course going to be subjective opinion.

There's a little bit of grey area there, but I think if the person has been gone long enough that the entire camp has respawned, it's pretty clearly they are outside it.

[Phaezed-Reality]

https://i.imgur.com/nGxo7md.jpg

[Fammaden]

Don't report me, bro.

[Phaezed-Reality]

I just cannot begin to fathom, being a staff member, on how to handle this kinda crap when both sides are retarded. do u just tell them to duel eachother. Like when someone has to take a camera phone pic instead of snipping, and the other one is wrong about camps. How does the staff even communicate with them?

do you guys have some kind of "special" member on staff that can understand and communicate with them on a lesser int level?

[zillabunny]

I swear people on this server are such babies for real... Dude is at sharlock sitting afk while spider is up... I kill 3 spider pH and he comes back has a melt down asks how many packs I stole from him goes on and on... It's like bruuuuuuuuuuh

[RealSmug]

https://i.imgur.com/nGxo7md.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SaWO68i.jpg

Pay attention Ian, this is how Alfs work

[greenspectre]

do you guys have some kind of "special" member on staff that can understand and communicate with them on a lesser int level?

Just wanted to say that your Erudite forum roleplay is on point, sir.

[Israel Adesanya]

Better tighten up that camp.

[Quinas]

While we're talking about camps, I had someone who was fully convinced Nybright sisters was one camp. I thought you could only camp a single spawn point outdoors and checked PnP which accorded with that.

I asked for one of the mobs and was knocked back - they outlevelled me a lot so I wans't up for a competition and I wasn't too keen to get staff involved over something so petty. The player wasn't a d*ck about it but they clearly felt that they were 100% in the right.

So who is in the right?

[Tinlave]

While we're talking about camps, I had someone who was fully convinced Nybright sisters was one camp. I thought you could only camp a single spawn point outdoors and checked PnP which accorded with that.

I asked for one of the mobs and was knocked back - they outlevelled me a lot so I wans't up for a competition and I wasn't too keen to get staff involved over something so petty. The player wasn't a d*ck about it but they clearly felt that they were 100% in the right.

So who is in the right?

This camp is usually a solo camp of all 4 mobs. Has always been this way that I have seen even back on live. Most of us duo it to be nice, some do not. When someone is there, communicate and ask for next in line. Sometimes they will ask you to join them, sometimes they will not. The more you share the more you will see sharing from others.

[Quinas]

I get that it has typically been this way. I've camped it solo before too.

I asked to join this person but that wasn't OK for them. Even told me off a bit about keeping my reputation intact to dissuade me from making a big deal about it (lol). Later when I inherited the camp I grabbed a few extra to trio it because I'm not that greedy for platinum and it's easier at a lower level to do it that way.

But arguably this camp is now even more popular than it was on blue, and for most classes pretty easy to solo. If staff see it as "one camp" then fine, no worries, it's up to a person to 'be nice' and share it. But if the PNP applies, then the person who walks off and lets the one camping it have all the mobs is the one 'being nice'.

At the end of the day, just a few mangy plat pieces, but I do wonder.

[Cuktus]

While we're talking about camps, I had someone who was fully convinced Nybright sisters was one camp. I thought you could only camp a single spawn point outdoors and checked PnP which accorded with that.

I asked for one of the mobs and was knocked back - they outlevelled me a lot so I wans't up for a competition and I wasn't too keen to get staff involved over something so petty. The player wasn't a d*ck about it but they clearly felt that they were 100% in the right.

So who is in the right?

Look, outdoor rules are set up the way they are to help staff. Yes, by the rules, only a single spawn may be "camped". But, and I can not stress this enough, don't be a dick.

We, the players, have a very different view on what a camp is. The Nybrights are a camp, imho. If they spawned in Guk, no one would question it is a camp. If a single person can hold down all four, leave them too it. Honestly, the number of people on these forums looking to LawyerQuest someone else's camp is insane.

[Quinas]

I specifically didn't lawyerquest anything in-game because it's a waste of time and energy. I did leave them to it, mate. But forums are for discussion - that's why we're here.

So by forcing the person monopolising arguably one of the best plat farming spots for levels 12-16 to share (even just one spawn point), I'd be the dick?

Like I said - no intention of doing so because I just walk away from ElfSim disputes entirely. But it's interesting to see perspectives on this.

[zillabunny]

Look, outdoor rules are set up the way they are to help staff. Yes, by the rules, only a single spawn may be "camped". But, and I can not stress this enough, don't be a dick.

We, the players, have a very different view on what a camp is. The Nybrights are a camp, imho. If they spawned in Guk, no one would question it is a camp. If a single person can hold down all four, leave them too it. Honestly, the number of people on these forums looking to LawyerQuest someone else's camp is insane.

Damn dude just group with him and share the plat

[Legidias]

You're talking about challenging for single spawns of one of the most lucrative camps in classic, when lvl 1's defend their single camp decaying skelly camp due to competition.

[Cuktus]

I specifically didn't lawyerquest anything in-game because it's a waste of time and energy. I did leave them to it, mate. But forums are for discussion - that's why we're here.

So by forcing the person monopolising arguably one of the best plat farming spots for levels 12-16 to share (even just one spawn point), I'd be the dick?

Like I said - no intention of doing so because I just walk away from ElfSim disputes entirely. But it's interesting to see perspectives on this.

I didn't mean to offend. What I meant to say is that sharing and forcing people to share has been a very common theme in many of the discussions I have been participating in here on the forums.

To your question, yes, you would be in that situation. If someone is able to hold both EEs in gorge, both treants in SK, guards in Lake Rathe, 4 spire gnolls, Millers, toll booth guards, however many Feerrot specs they are claiming, etc, leave them to it. Most players recognize these camps, even if the devs don't. As I said before, if any of these camps were in a dungeon, no one would question they are a camp. The rules exist to make the jobs of the devs easier, so to anyone else who, unlike Mr. Quinas here, will try to lawyer their way into someone else's camp, don't.

[zillabunny]

I didn't mean to offend. What I meant to say is that sharing and forcing people to share has been a very common theme in many of the discussions I have been participating in here on the forums.

To your question, yes, you would be in that situation. If someone is able to hold both EEs in gorge, both treants in SK, guards in Lake Rathe, 4 spire gnolls, Millers, toll booth guards, however many Feerrot specs they are claiming, etc, leave them to it. Most players recognize these camps, even if the devs don't. As I said before, if any of these camps were in a dungeon, no one would question they are a camp. The rules exist to make the jobs of the devs easier, so to anyone else who, unlike Mr. Quinas here, will try to lawyer their way into someone else's camp, don't.

Again this is a MULTIPLAYER game... Don't be a weirdo and if someone wants to do a camp share it with them... Group and make a friend!

[Legidias]

Yeah but that mindset works better when mobs are spread out and you dont have like 20 people after the same thing.

While it's a dungeon, unrest and HHK are prime examples. On blue, if a group in unrest is at gazeebo, they can basically lay claim to that side of the house cause there's rarely so many people that they have to go crazy for mobs. In classic servers, there can be like 30+ people in yard with 10 people running laps around the house FTEing mobs. HHK in blue is one goblin camp, while classically its 4 camps.

It's just a matter of available mobs and how many people want them.

[BlackBellamy]

So by forcing the person monopolising arguably one of the best plat farming spots for levels 12-16 to share (even just one spawn point), I'd be the dick?

By forcing them to share, you now turn this into a mediocre plat farming spot for the both of you. You can have a mediocre plat farming spot anywhere, so this would be a spite move. If you ask for a cc and someone replies sisters, it's because that's a recognized camp from classic.

[Cuktus]

Again this is a MULTIPLAYER game... Don't be a weirdo and if someone wants to do a camp share it with them... Group and make a friend!

See, this is what I mean about people trying to steal camps. Lets apply your logic to an example. Millers in Qhills. At this camp you have two mobs, each mob is very close in level, ~25, on a standard outdoor timer, and can drop bronze weapons. Let us say a level 31 enchanter is camping the spawns. The chanter is using standard charm tactics, having no issues. The chanter has no interest in the nearby guards. A level 34 troll Shadow Knight comes and wants to group. Why would the 31 chanter want this? The xp would drop to well below 1/2 of what the xp he was getting before, due to the troll SK's xp penalty and the extra lvl 3 levels he has. Money from bronze drops would be cut in 1/2.

Now, you can say, just split the camp. That is the rules way of handling the problem. SK gets one Miller, chanter gets the other. Here is the issue I have with that, it cripples the chanter. Now, because charm is no longer an option for the chanter, he must resort to his pet. So the chanter goes from two 6min spawns to 1 spawn with his pet eating 1/2 of his xp. Or, 25% of the xp and 1/2 the bronze as soloing both.

Lastly, the guards were never a real option for fixing this problem, as they are on standard 28min guard timers.

Not all camps require groups. That's okay. Not everyone wants to share what they can solo, with good reason.

[Natewest1987]

You took a picture of your monitor with your phone and couldn't rotate it?

LOL

[Quinas]

I'm not offended. Like I said, I didn't try to lawyer anyone IMO. The person refused to share, I politely mentioned my understanding of the rules (without any real expectation of an outcome) was pretty different, they stated their views fairly politely, and then that was that and I sat and waited my turn.

Just interesting to see pretty different interpretations.

Maybe the rules should be edited to be a little more loose. But the staff are all volunteers and can't be everywhere, so perhaps this is the least worst option.

[Kohedron]

if PvP this wouldnt be a problem etc etc

[Phaezed-Reality]

guys, i ended this thread a few pages back. please back read. There should be no more replying to this low int thread.

[gkmarino]

guys, i ended this thread a few pages back. please back read. There should be no more replying to this low int thread.This isn't your camp. Get out of here I'm clearing the PH.

[jacob54311]

I didn't mean to offend. What I meant to say is that sharing and forcing people to share has been a very common theme in many of the discussions I have been participating in here on the forums.

To your question, yes, you would be in that situation. If someone is able to hold both EEs in gorge, both treants in SK, guards in Lake Rathe, 4 spire gnolls, Millers, toll booth guards, however many Feerrot specs they are claiming, etc, leave them to it. Most players recognize these camps, even if the devs don't. As I said before, if any of these camps were in a dungeon, no one would question they are a camp. The rules exist to make the jobs of the devs easier, so to anyone else who, unlike Mr. Quinas here, will try to lawyer their way into someone else's camp, don't.

Going AFK for over half an hour and calling someone out for taking the camp you were neglecting is kind of a dick move, IMO. Can't say I blame someone for saying something in that situation.

Clearly the issue wasn't whether they could hold the camp down on their own.

[HedleyKow]

If you don't engage the PH within a reasonable amount of time, then you forfeit the camp.

It's not entirely clear how long that is, but a GM once suggested 5 mins would be reasonable for a particular camp (think it was Stormfeather?).

[fadetree]

Too late, Phaezed, it has acquired a life of it's own and is now staggering around alternately being funny and sad.

[westarcher]

Did you know that there is a magical technique called "screenshot" where you can just press a button and it takes an image of your screen?
There is even a built in program on most machines that can snip or crop parts of the screen so you dont have to crop it yourself

But nah I think I'd rather fumble with my phone and have everyone make fun of me

[Phaezed-Reality]

Too late, Phaezed, it has acquired a life of it's own and is now staggering around alternately being funny and sad.

Please for the love of bertox tell me we have an ogre low int guide/gm that handles disputes like this, so they are able to resolve disputes using sticks and drawings in the dirt.

[Quinas]

Please for the love of bertox tell me we have an ogre low int guide/gm that handles disputes like this, so they are able to resolve disputes using sticks and drawings in the dirt.

You're funny.

[Cuktus]

Going AFK for over half an hour and calling someone out for taking the camp you were neglecting is kind of a dick move, IMO. Can't say I blame someone for saying something in that situation.

Clearly the issue wasn't whether they could hold the camp down on their own.

I'm sorry, I was referring to a different situation then OP's. No, I completely agree, if you afk for 30min, you ain't camping nothing but, in that case, his wife. Honestly, most folks are pretty scared just to go sell, at the more popular places.

[jacob54311]

I'm sorry, I was referring to a different situation then OP's. No, I completely agree, if you afk for 30min, you ain't camping nothing but, in that case, his wife. Honestly, most folks are pretty scared just to go sell, at the more popular places.

Sorry, I missed that. Long thread.

[Madbad]

rated 1 star for shitty screen shot

all other arguments are invalid

[Isomorphic]

No and this is not how screenshots work either.

[Legidias]

Instructions unclear, bullet now stuck in screen

[Polycaster]

L2Screenshot, boomer.

[derpcake2]

have to love knowing Kuba is the guildleader of lineage

special forces squad leader