39+ mage pets

[ClephNote]

Two questions:

1. Was no 39+ mage pets classic, or a p99 specific issue?

2. When will they be added? If it was classic, I assume on the correct timeline. If p99 bug, I hope soon??

[Tethler]

Research only I heard. Are you saying they can't be made with research?

[keithjinternet]

Research only I heard. Are you saying they can't be made with research?

No currently the game has no way of obtaining these spells, either through research or vendors

[ClephNote]

You can only research level 34 fire and air pets. No earth or water. And you can’t purchase any mage pets from a vendor after level 20.

[WaffleztheAndal]

Next patch is adding pet spells to cover the broken recipes, two pets at 34/39, 1 at 49.

[ClephNote]

Next patch is adding pet spells to cover the broken recipes, two pets at 34/39, 1 at 49.

What is the date of the “next patch”? And will this fix research for all as well? Or just add some vendor pets?

[WaffleztheAndal]

What is the date of the “next patch”? And will this fix research for all as well? Or just add some vendor pets?

Unknown for date, just “next patch”, and only pet levels with broken recipes will get the pets, and only for the broken elements.

[Tethler]

No currently the game has no way of obtaining these spells, either through research or vendors

Oof, that's rough. I didn't know they were comepletely unobtainable.

[ClephNote]

Awesome. Thanks!

I assume we also don’t know if that next patch is the Plane of Fear patch, or just some rando friendly neighborhood patch to adjust things?

[Jimjam]

It's following the classic timeline. Research was 'broken' and many pets were missing for the first 2-3 months. Expect the timeline update for mage pets in January. Not too long now!

[randal.flagg]

It's following the classic timeline. Research was 'broken' and many pets were missing for the first 2-3 months. Expect the timeline update for mage pets in January. Not too long now!

I believe the devs have opted to fix this sooner...

That's the gist of it. I mostly wanted to make sure I wasn't missing the source of the research materials listed on the wiki (someone fabricated them I guess?).

Based on evidence so far, it seems the most classic solution is to add the (always?) uncraftable pet spells back on vendors. The unclassic part of that would be it took 13 days to change instead of the 2 months it took the original eq live developers.

Which is the only sane thing to do. Replicating broken features is absolutely absurd. The devs were given accurate info that these spells were not vendor sold @ launch. The devs were also unaware that this would break the magician class, as no pets are attainable after 34.

Expect this to be fixed in the next patch. This will also fix stuff like Sol A quest items dropping.

[Roth]

If they don't fix this soon, I will actually be pretty dissapointed in the devs... and I don't even play a mage. Just kinda puts a damper on the whole thing knowing mages basically are screwed past 34.

[bum3]

The devs were also unaware that this would break the magician class, as no pets are attainable after 34.

Or maybe because there wasn't many or any at all lvl 34+ mages at this point in classic. So it wasn't a big deal. And it was also a way of slowing mages down for mass pet spam raiding. I think it was calculated AF and a good idea.

[Phaezed-Reality]

Or maybe because there wasn't many or any at all lvl 34+ mages at this point in classic. So it wasn't a big deal. And it was also a way of slowing mages down for mass pet spam raiding. I think it was calculated AF and a good idea.

problem being, if you arn't one of the beards who rolled a mage , and now are seeing these threads, they are just going to quit, not realizing they are going to be fine.

on the flip side you have the beards who are lvl 34 who can no longer solo to 50 as they planned.

in the end, both players quit the server and -2 pop from both directions. tbh I don't care, they want to follow the classic timeline to the letter thats cool, but there was a reason why it was patched later. cause it was broken, as was every other patch..... If you are going to be a "classic" server i highly suggest selectively classic approach nixing the obvious fuckups by the original devs. and still sticking to the timeline.


p.s. just the fact that people didn't even know that they couldn't get pets past lvl 34 until a patch has made a ton of people quit. It doesn't matter about classic and its all about player retainment. Also all mage related threads like these should absolutely be deleted so the playerbase at large is unaware and you just hotfix it like it never happened. But again if u want to be classic, thats classic.

[Obrae]

problem being, if you arn't one of the beards who rolled a mage , and now are seeing these threads, they are just going to quit, not realizing they are going to be fine.

on the flip side you have the beards who are lvl 34 who can no longer solo to 50 as they planned.

in the end, both players quit the server and -2 pop from both directions. tbh I don't care, they want to follow the classic timeline to the letter thats cool, but there was a reason why it was patched later. cause it was broken, as was every other patch..... If you are going to be a "classic" server i highly suggest selectively classic approach nixing the obvious fuckups by the original devs. and still sticking to the timeline.


p.s. just the fact that people didn't even know that they couldn't get pets past lvl 34 until a patch has made a ton of people quit. It doesn't matter about classic and its all about player retainment. Also all mage related threads like these should absolutely be deleted so the playerbase at large is unaware and you just hotfix it like it never happened. But again if u want to be classic, thats classic.


You make great points, and for sure back in 99 it took time to figure this out. It needed test and if i am not mistaken, bad combine just ate de components without message. As soon as it got discovered they patched it like the next day.

People need to stop saying classic to everything. This as nothing to do with the classic timeline experience which is a couple of year timeline.

Anyway lets hope for an update soon

[ClephNote]

idk if "delete threads and keep the player base in the dark" is a better or worse strat, Phaezed, lol

[Phaezed-Reality]

idk if "delete threads and keep the player base in the dark" is a better or worse strat, Phaezed, lol

trust me, ignorance is bliss. specially from what i have seen in my journeys across antonica from Odus

[drdrakes]

The way EQ players feel about 'what is classic vs. what should be fixed' is like how Catholics feel about what it means to be a Christian.

[Siege]

The way EQ players feel about 'what is classic vs. what should be fixed' is like how Catholics feel about what it means to be a Christian.
They're more like rabbis combing through the Talmud to find loopholes.

[Tecmos Deception]

It doesn't matter about classic and its all about player retainment.

Pretty sure nilberg has a quote laying around about how he'd keep working on classic even if there were no players.

[Tecmos Deception]

And here it is:

I'll keep making classic changes when I can, regardless if people threaten to quit. I'm here to recreate classic eq; not to make people happy

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=823300&postcount=27

[WaffleztheAndal]

This has been beaten absolutely to death. All the points have been made. Nilbog is putting in a fix for the broken recipes next patch. Let's just move on shall we?

[Obrae]

Little chance of that with more mages hitting 34+ everyday. It’s new info to many still. People still ask me if i have my 44 pet...

[Phaezed-Reality]

Little chance of that with more mages hitting 34+ everyday. It’s new info to many still. People still ask me if i have my 44 pet...

the amount of mages msging me i had to turn anon on, thats why i see this shit storm coming.

Personally i know nilbog, and i thank god for him everyday for giving my life purpose. But that that doesn't mean i can't disagree on something. Gotta respect the hell outa someone like nilberg but you can absolutely still love him and hate him at the same time HAHA.

[Dolalin]

This is actually my fault, more than Nilbog's really, since I forgot that mage pet research requires the previous circle's spells and that some mage research recipes don't exist.

I wouldn't have recommended the vendor changes, accurate though they are, if I knew they'd break the class spell progression.

Although it is classic...

[PabloEdvardo]

The more "this is stupid even if it is classic" stuff we change, the more we start eroding away the very thing that p99 worked hard to re-create.

There's many things to complain about on release...

It sucks for big races to have no shrink, relying on camping guise.

It sucks for chanters who don't have clarity.

These "challenges" are what make starting a character "on release" something that people remember -- because they'll appreciate when the things "get fixed".

Just my 2cp

[Obrae]

The more "this is stupid even if it is classic" stuff we change, the more we start eroding away the very thing that p99 worked hard to re-create.

There's many things to complain about on release...

It sucks for big races to have no shrink, relying on camping guise.

It sucks for chanters who don't have clarity.

These "challenges" are what make starting a character "on release" something that people remember -- because they'll appreciate when the things "get fixed".

Just my 2cp

Yes, although the progression of 20 years old veterans dosent follow the same timeline as «*during*» classic. We will know better for the next reboot.

Now everyone never forget that: it happened at release or it happened during «*x*» period dosen’t mean it IS classic.

This guy said it well, to classify everything as «*classic*» actually brings us farter than the «*classic*» experience mentionned in the great video on front page.

[derpcake2]

This is actually my fault, more than Nilbog's really, since I forgot that mage pet research requires the previous circle's spells and that some mage research recipes don't exist.

I wouldn't have recommended the vendor changes, accurate though they are, if I knew they'd break the class spell progression.

Although it is classic...

This is why one-sided input such as the one you have delivered in this regard should be flat out ignored.

People get salty, find some kind of evidence to support their case, and will ignore everything and anything else, even if breaking the progression of a class.

[Ferahgo]

"Well isn't that too bad Mages don't get their 39+ pets, oh well it's classic!" - Every Enchanter charming their way 50 and farming items solo using broken p99 charm

[derpcake2]

"Well isn't that too bad Mages don't get their 39+ pets, oh well it's classic!" - Every Enchanter charming their way 50 and farming items solo using broken p99 charm

i rerolled from mage to ench

guess its time to start a necro

[Phaezed-Reality]

basically everyone bearded who didn't realize mages got no pets, rerolled enchanter. my advice is to just stay put, wait for the fix. we got a few days before the hordes of normies catch up to 34's. IMO the shitstorm is only starting to turtle.

[Dolalin]

This is why one-sided input such as the one you have delivered in this regard should be flat out ignored.

People get salty, find some kind of evidence to support their case, and will ignore everything and anything else, even if breaking the progression of a class.

You're happy to quote my research in the chanter charm thread though. Funny that.

Almost like you're a massive troll who should just be ignored.

[derpcake2]

You're happy to quote my research in the chanter charm thread though. Funny that.

Almost like you're a massive troll who should just be ignored.

Because unlike the mage feedback, it isn't one-sided.

People complained and used shitty sources, you came up with a reaction.

When it comes to mages, noone looked into the results your feedback would provide.

[Nirgon]

Chatwin was 49 last I saw. Gigamage.

Mages have a better 49 nuke than wizards right now until ice comet comes in.

[Obrae]

Yeah maxximus is 50 also i think and i should get there pretty soon.
I mean the class is still very useful if you have people to group with. Just much less fun. I like to be able to help cc’ing with pets, it is not possible right now.

The gameplay is send pet and nuke. But try to keep moving your pet out of hit range cause he will die almost instantly. In tight spaces or with root cc its a real annoyance.

Lguk with aoéing wizards ? Make sure pet have a guard spot far back and try to avoid all aoe. So your pet will die and often. So you just have to resummon.

But wait, you want to contribute as much as possible cause has a nuker without clarity, pet does help contribution. Too bad your pet are all deep green, no way of knowing if its a max pet before melee test. But they they so low they struggle to get max hit, so you pass your nights testing and resummonning.

It works but its so boring and annoying. Next reboot, we will get better mages.

[Dolalin]

Rend isn't in the game for a few more months. A pet-less Mage is going to be a better nuker than a 50 wizard without ice comet.

[Obrae]

Chatwin was 49 last I saw. Gigamage.

Mages have a better 49 nuke than wizards right now until ice comet comes in.

And to be clear, wizard nuke, "Rend" is still a far better nuke than "lava bolt"
More damage per mana and faster cast. Also it is not limited like the bolt spell. i am sure i don't need to list the disadvantages of bolt spells. So our 44 Nuke is most likely going to be mostly used.

Edit:
Ah, just read Dolalin comment, didnt knew Rend wasnt in.

Edit 2:
I would argue Wizard 44 nuke is still bettet than mage nuke a litlle better than shock of sword and alot better than bolt that is unreliable.
Still as pure nuker, they are pretty much equal. One can do other things tho, the other, not so much in the current state.
Still, wizard, tough class, not one of the least played for no reason.

[ClephNote]

The more "this is stupid even if it is classic" stuff we change, the more we start eroding away the very thing that p99 worked hard to re-create.

There's many things to complain about on release...

It sucks for big races to have no shrink, relying on camping guise.

It sucks for chanters who don't have clarity.

These "challenges" are what make starting a character "on release" something that people remember -- because they'll appreciate when the things "get fixed".

Just my 2cp

This is a weird argument to me... and goes into the spirit vs letter of the law definition of classic.

Isn't there a huge difference between spell research is broken and clarity and shrink didn't exist yet? Clarity and shrink weren't supposed to exist, but mage research was supposed to be working.

Unless the original intent was for mages to max out at level 34 pet, which I don't believe is the case?

[Vizax_Xaziv]

This is actually my fault, more than Nilbog's really, since I forgot that mage pet research requires the previous circle's spells and that some mage research recipes don't exist.

I wouldn't have recommended the vendor changes, accurate though they are, if I knew they'd break the class spell progression.

Although it is classic...
This is why so many people disagreed with your input. Stating vague allakhazam threads with literally 2 or 3 response posts as evidence is nonsense.

Go eat shit, guy.

[Dolalin]

This is why so many people disagreed with your input. Stating vague allakhazam threads with literally 2 or 3 response posts as evidence is nonsense.

Go eat shit, guy.

No it isn't, they just didn't want their class changed.

And right back atcha mate.

[zodium]

No it isn't, they just didn't want their class changed.

And right back atcha mate.

you did good, and they should have added research combines all the way up to 49 until vendor pets classically went in

also, legacy items should drop 6 at a time