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Gatorsmash
11-21-2019, 10:53 AM
Come on in and get that pain and frustration off your chest!

Causal player with no clan or alt support because being evil is a solo job? Watching caster classes lapping you with their alt's? Talking to yourself after getting killed? Thinking about making a druid? Starting to hate frogs and the color green IRL? Yelling at that significant other because you cant get your hands on a magical weapon in game? Other hybrid's saying "its fine" like an alpha female on girls night out?

Share your stories, Rants. Bitches. Complaints. No judgment in here, you're safe from the bitter EQ developer's who didn't understand Dungeons and Dragons multi-classes. Get it off your chest and get back in game renewed.

Edit- forgot to mention meeting's will be held on the Freeport dock once a week on Sunday. There will be punch and pie, lottery to see who kills so and so fishing ( I won't dignify her by mentioning her by name). Fun to be had all around!@

Kohedron
11-21-2019, 11:48 AM
Not a hybrid, but I get blatantly skipped over for groups with my rogue, because enchanters/magicians/necs/shamans/monks straight up do more dps while doing more

The only good thing about being a rogue is you don't have a crippling exp penalty in exchange for minor healing

jacob54311
11-21-2019, 01:10 PM
I don't see why they can't dump the hybrid penalty.

It slows down leveling for a handful of classes quite a bit, but doesn't effect the gameplay. The game would still play just as "classic" if it were gone. It was a big mistake by the original EQ devs that they should have gotten rid of much sooner.

Gaedan
11-21-2019, 01:47 PM
I don't see why they can't dump the hybrid penalty.

It slows down leveling for a handful of classes quite a bit, but doesn't effect the gameplay. The game would still play just as "classic" if it were gone. It was a big mistake by the original EQ devs that they should have gotten rid of much sooner.

Agreed 100% with this. Yeah, it's "classic" but doesn't mean it was good. It was even admitted to be a mistake in hindsight. Since we're playing a manifestation of hindsight, this is the one "classic" thing I'd love to see gone.

Frug
11-21-2019, 01:48 PM
I don't see why they can't dump the hybrid penalty.

It slows down leveling for a handful of classes quite a bit, but doesn't effect the gameplay. The game would still play just as "classic" if it were gone. It was a big mistake by the original EQ devs that they should have gotten rid of much sooner.

Because gameplay isn't the goal of the project; it's a museum of how the gameplay was in 1999. Unless that gameplay provided the player any advantage, then they nuke the shit out of it.

tinklepee
11-21-2019, 02:01 PM
I have 18 days played and I'm level 17 AMA.

BlackBellamy
11-21-2019, 02:07 PM
I love the hybrid penalty. I wish it was bigger. It was there to discourage people from playing certain classes and I'm fine with that, whether the original reasons turned out to be a valid concern or not regarding the perceived hybrid overpower.

I have just reached level 22 on my Ogre SK. So far it's been a pleasure. My road so far:

I have slain 3174 mobs and my pets have killed an additonal 736.

I have looted 2873 items.

I have perished 29 times:

[Mon Nov 04 07:16:56 2019] You have been slain by Guard Stoutman!
[Mon Nov 04 18:36:33 2019] You have been slain by Guard Brendyl!
[Wed Nov 06 09:08:52 2019] You have been slain by an orc warrior!
[Sun Nov 10 08:32:51 2019] You have been slain by a lesser mummy!
[Mon Nov 11 06:04:04 2019] You have been slain by a froglok tuk warrior!
[Mon Nov 11 17:34:08 2019] You have been slain by a froglok ton warrior!
[Mon Nov 11 21:15:21 2019] You have been slain by a froglok gaz knight!
[Tue Nov 12 07:17:25 2019] You have been slain by a froglok necromancer!
[Tue Nov 12 07:39:42 2019] You have been slain by a froglok sentinel!
[Tue Nov 12 14:47:08 2019] You have been slain by a froglok necromancer!
[Tue Nov 12 18:16:17 2019] You have been slain by a froglok witch doctor!
[Tue Nov 12 19:02:33 2019] You have been slain by a froglok gaz warrior!
[Tue Nov 12 19:25:23 2019] You have been slain by a froglok gaz warrior!
[Tue Nov 12 23:44:40 2019] You have been slain by a dread bone!
[Wed Nov 13 12:17:17 2019] You have been slain by a necro acolyte!
[Wed Nov 13 13:14:54 2019] You have been slain by a necro acolyte!
[Wed Nov 13 14:21:10 2019] You have been slain by a ghoul!
[Wed Nov 13 19:31:14 2019] You have been slain by a froglok gaz warrior!
[Wed Nov 13 21:21:58 2019] You have been slain by a froglok tal shaman!
[Thu Nov 14 09:28:51 2019] You have been slain by a lesser mummy!
[Thu Nov 14 10:01:35 2019] You have been slain by a greater skeleton!
[Thu Nov 14 10:40:57 2019] You have been slain by Cmdr Windstream!
[Fri Nov 15 08:43:13 2019] You have been slain by a heart spider!
[Sun Nov 17 20:39:50 2019] You have been slain by a froglok ton knight!
[Mon Nov 18 13:42:55 2019] You have been slain by a large heart spider!
[Mon Nov 18 16:37:58 2019] You have been slain by a froglok witch doctor!
[Mon Nov 18 20:58:05 2019] You have been slain by a froglok ton shaman!
[Tue Nov 19 16:15:24 2019] You have been slain by a froglok gaz warrior!
[Tue Nov 19 23:06:48 2019] You have been slain by a froglok vis shaman!

I have accepted a group request 10 times.

I have zoned exactly 1000 times. When I zone out of Guk in a couple of minutes that will be 1001.

sudopudge
11-21-2019, 05:18 PM
I love the hybrid penalty....

Do you have a link to the log file parser you used, assuming that's how you got those stats?

Danth
11-21-2019, 06:41 PM
Class experience penalties don't bother me. I know what I'm getting when I click the thing at creation.

That's not to say I don't think class penalties are also largely pointless. Of course they are. Interestingly these penalties do NOT appear to meaningfully limit the population of the hybrid classes for the most part. Look at "Blue." Even after the removal of class experience modifiers, the population of hybrid classes remained low. The real factor limiting those classes' popularity is, I suspect, their perceived lack of end-game power.

Danth

Gatorsmash
11-21-2019, 07:47 PM
Class experience penalties don't bother me. I know what I'm getting when I click the thing at creation.

That's not to say I don't think class penalties are also largely pointless. Of course they are. Interestingly these penalties do NOT appear to meaningfully limit the population of the hybrid classes for the most part. Look at "Blue." Even after the removal of class experience modifiers, the population of hybrid classes remained low. The real factor limiting those classes' popularity is, I suspect, their perceived lack of end-game power.

Danth

There is no need for alpha females here, tell us how you really feel.

Vizax_Xaziv
11-21-2019, 09:59 PM
Class experience penalties don't bother me. I know what I'm getting when I click the thing at creation.

That's not to say I don't think class penalties are also largely pointless. Of course they are. Interestingly these penalties do NOT appear to meaningfully limit the population of the hybrid classes for the most part. Look at "Blue." Even after the removal of class experience modifiers, the population of hybrid classes remained low. The real factor limiting those classes' popularity is, I suspect, their perceived lack of end-game power.

Danth
There was definitely a brief influx of Hybrid ALTS when the penalties were lifted on Blue

Cen
11-21-2019, 10:37 PM
Druids aren't particularly powerful but the toolbox is fun to play with I guess :p

I just haven't fully invested in a melee character and want to decide on one that will feel like a powerful badass. I guess its only monks who feel that way

jacob54311
11-21-2019, 11:17 PM
There was definitely a brief influx of Hybrid ALTS when the penalties were lifted on Blue

I'll probably go with a Paladin when they lift the penalty on Green. My first serious character back in the POP days, when I started.

Graventhel
11-22-2019, 12:50 AM
Druids aren't particularly powerful but the toolbox is fun to play with I guess :p

I just haven't fully invested in a melee character and want to decide on one that will feel like a powerful badass. I guess its only monks who feel that way

An SK is what you want. Lifetaps, fears, snares, feign death, and tank/solo powers.

Teflondon75
11-22-2019, 02:53 AM
An SK is what you want. Lifetaps, fears, snares, feign death, and tank/solo powers.


Why go SK when you can go Ranger. Better soloing than Druid, wanted in groups more than an SK, Top end game class. /s

lol

Graventhel
11-22-2019, 03:19 AM
Why go SK when you can go Ranger. Better soloing than Druid, wanted in groups more than an SK, Top end game class. /s

lol

Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half.

Gatorsmash
11-22-2019, 10:41 AM
I'll probably go with a Paladin when they lift the penalty on Green. My first serious character back in the POP days, when I started.

It's not lifted for 2+ years. Just jump in now my son

BlackBellamy
11-22-2019, 12:57 PM
Do you have a link to the log file parser you used, assuming that's how you got those stats?

Yes, the awkwardly named Gamparse is here
https://gambosoft.eqresource.com/downloads.php

sudopudge
11-22-2019, 01:02 PM
Yes, the awkwardly named Gamparse is here
https://gambosoft.eqresource.com/downloads.php

Sweet, thanks.

apprentice04
11-22-2019, 01:16 PM
I just use Notepad++ for this. Find whatever you are looking for, then mark all of those instances with a bookmark

BlackBellamy
11-22-2019, 01:51 PM
Sweet, thanks.

Best way to use that is to use the log search tab, set search result limit to all, the use the search field and hit the copy to clipboard button

you'll see a count of results in the bar

Coridan
11-22-2019, 08:30 PM
I formed a group for warden today in Upper Guk. We had 2 hybrids minimum for a 6 hour session (at one point 3 hybrids and a monk). I got 2 levels over the course of that session (26 and 27).

XP rates are too fast in dungeons like Guk and Befallen. Too slow in places like Oasis, Highpass (not Highkeep) and South Karana. That is what needs to be fixed.