Of Race and Religion

[Mankong]

Hello. I’m kind of curious about religion, the matter of such being which race’s religion is best for them? Besides Agnosticism. For example, is Quellious better for an Erudite Paladin to worship than Prexus faction and item wise, or is it the other way around? Innoruuk or Bertoxxulous for a Human Cleric when it comes to evil worship? How about Rallos Zek for the odd warrior?

[zodium]

halflings are the best race, and Bristlebane is the best god

[jacob54311]

I always thought the agnostic option was pretty ridiculous in a world where magic is a veritably real thing.

[Mankong]

halflings are the best race, and Bristlebane is the best god

That’s well and good, but I was meaning the best religion for each race and class

[Clinicus]

I always thought the agnostic option was pretty ridiculous in a world where magic is a veritably real thing.

"Dude, you literally killed a god. You're wearing their loot!"

Agnostic: "Hmmmmm, I still don't know"

[Evia]

"Dude, you literally killed a god. You're wearing their loot!"

Agnostic: "Hmmmmm, I still don't know"

I take it like agnostics acknowledge the existence of these Gods, just aren't sure about committing to worshiping them.

[Fammaden]

That’s well and good, but I was meaning the best religion for each race and class

This information is available under every classes wiki page. Many of them have no real best choice, some will have deity based items of various usefulness mentioned.

Often agnostic is your best bet because religions just mess up your factions. I tend to pick one anyway because its more "fun" to have an affiliation. Chanters are supposed to go agnostic under all circumstances to make illusions and faction spells more useful.

[Cen]

There is a tier of religions where if you can worship it, its probably the best. Here is the way it works

Veeshan >Solusek >Bristlebane = Rallos = Brell = Agnostic > Tunare = Innoruuk > Other Good > Other Evil


For the most part, Veeshan and Solusek are like Agnostic but with benefits. Bristlebane is like Agnostic but not with a whole lot of benefits. Rallos is close to agnostic but slightly more evil usually has cool armor. Tunare and Inny get many great items. Brell/Veeshan/Rallos/Tunare give special access to non KOS in some places.


It looks a little goofy to tier it that way, but only bards can worship Veeshan, and theres no downsides to doing so, and only benefits, so it sits on top. Solusek is the same sort of deal for Wizards. From there, it works out that way

[Cen]

halflings are the best race, and Bristlebane is the best god

Bristlebane is probably my favorite diety, because it is the least ridiculously unrealistically black and white.

People don't tend to worship dieties they de facto consider "evil", even evil people. Its asinine :P

[Vizax_Xaziv]

"Dude, you literally killed a god. You're wearing their loot!"

Agnostic: "Hmmmmm, I still don't know"

Therein lies the question! Are they truly a God, if they're able to be killed?

[Cen]

Therein lies the question! Are they truly a God, if they're able to be killed?

Gods aren't always immortal in every belief system ;D

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Gods aren't always immortal in every belief system ;D

Well here in America they are, pal! Haven't you heard? Trumps doctors said he's in PERFECT health!!!

[Hazek]

Agnostics are ignorant cowards who are too afraid to make up their mind. Also there is no god but God. But since you have to choose in game then Quellious cause good philosophy.

"Followers of Quellious the Tranquil seek peace. They are not strict pacifists, though, and will fight to defend themselves and their loved ones. The peace they seek is an inner one. They wish to know all there is to know about themselves and the world around them. They thirst for knowledge of their true selves and strive to help others attain enlightenment. It is through the sharing of this knowledge that they believe universal peace can be obtained. If every creature fully understood itself and its neighbors there would be no need for conflict and war. Followers of Quellious often follow a nomadic lifestyle, constantly seeking what there is to know and hoping to find themselves along the way."

But peace through knowledge is nonsense cause wicked people are gunna cause problems regardless unless they're stopped by force, God willing.

[Cen]

Hello. I’m kind of curious about religion, the matter of such being which race’s religion is best for them? Besides Agnosticism. For example, is Quellious better for an Erudite Paladin to worship than Prexus faction and item wise, or is it the other way around? Innoruuk or Bertoxxulous for a Human Cleric when it comes to evil worship? How about Rallos Zek for the odd warrior?

Oh, let me also address your actual questions directly:

Erudite Paladin - Prexus has the best itemization and an easier epic. Quellious gets pretty much nothing. Prexus gets an awesome shield. Paladins can never be Agnostic.

Human Cleric of Innoruuk is actually one of P99's power combos. Later on in the timeline they get tons of clicky items that are powerful, including a snare necklace, a fear mask, and a helmet that grants deadeye. Bertox gets some of this but instead of snare neck its a disease cloud neck, which is a little crappier for a cleric.

Warriors of Rallos Zek, except for ogres and trolls, get a neat armor set. Also, anyone in the game who worships Rallos Zek starts dubious (non KOS) to velious giants. Minor bonus there. Every warrior in the game can worship Rallos Zek, except for Iksar who must always worship Cazic-Thule no matter what, and Dwarves, since RZ is considered their arch enemy.

[uygi]

I think Cazic Thule is the best in terms of access to vendors, because it makes Iksar faction pretty fixable. People love to tout faction ups for Velious (RZ/Veeshan) but the reality is that Velious factions are fixable by design for any character without too much hardship. Cabilis factions were designed to be useful to Iksars only, and I'm not sure they are fixable without worshipping CT and being a class Iksars don't hate.

[Arkainium]

Erudite Paladin - Prexus has the best itemization and an easier epic. Quellious gets pretty much nothing. Prexus gets an awesome shield. Paladins can never be Agnostic.


How does following Prexus make paladin epic easier? Shield of Stalwart Seas does not have a deity requirement; all erudite paladins can equip it. AFAIK there are no Prexus-only items for erudite paladins.

[zodium]

Bristlebane is probably my favorite diety, because it is the least ridiculously unrealistically black and white.

People don't tend to worship dieties they de facto consider "evil", even evil people. Its asinine :P

people don't worship deities they consider evil but they can sure as hell make any deity's dogma sound good

[TomisFeline]

I think Cazic Thule is the best in terms of access to vendors, because it makes Iksar faction pretty fixable. People love to tout faction ups for Velious (RZ/Veeshan) but the reality is that Velious factions are fixable by design for any character without too much hardship. Cabilis factions were designed to be useful to Iksars only, and I'm not sure they are fixable without worshipping CT and being a class Iksars don't hate.

iirc I had an agnostic enchanter who was non-kos to cab (including without ikky illusion?). suppose it got that way from Seb or HS?

I am sure there are others who can chime in here - lotsa necros and enchanters should have a similar experience

[zodium]

halflings can be friends with anyone thanks to the magic of racial sneak turnins

[Cen]

How does following Prexus make paladin epic easier? Shield of Stalwart Seas does not have a deity requirement; all erudite paladins can equip it. AFAIK there are no Prexus-only items for erudite paladins.

Youre right. I fell into that common trap.. Like how all human clerics even good ones can get the paineel stuff.

Prexus paladins need to do less faction work for epic still right? If not then I guess it literally doesnt matter at all for their diety.

[Bazia]

Like how all human clerics even good ones can get the paineel stuff.

pretty stupid that they made your deity choice irrelevant as long as you are in wolf form

[Wwen42]

"Dude, you literally killed a god. You're wearing their loot!"

Agnostic: "Hmmmmm, I still don't know"

"What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?"

[Mankong]

Oh, let me also address your actual questions directly:

Erudite Paladin - Prexus has the best itemization and an easier epic. Quellious gets pretty much nothing. Prexus gets an awesome shield. Paladins can never be Agnostic.

Human Cleric of Innoruuk is actually one of P99's power combos. Later on in the timeline they get tons of clicky items that are powerful, including a snare necklace, a fear mask, and a helmet that grants deadeye. Bertox gets some of this but instead of snare neck its a disease cloud neck, which is a little crappier for a cleric.

Warriors of Rallos Zek, except for ogres and trolls, get a neat armor set. Also, anyone in the game who worships Rallos Zek starts dubious (non KOS) to velious giants. Minor bonus there. Every warrior in the game can worship Rallos Zek, except for Iksar who must always worship Cazic-Thule no matter what, and Dwarves, since RZ is considered their arch enemy.

That's pretty cool. Howsabout Dark Elf Warriors? Rallos Zek, Agnostic, or Innoruuk?

[Expediency]

This server is overrun with erudites who foolishly picked quellious over Prexus. Do not add to this problem.

[Cen]

That's pretty cool. Howsabout Dark Elf Warriors? Rallos Zek, Agnostic, or Innoruuk?

Not Innoruuk. Rallos or Agnostic is great. Inny doesn't give much to warriors and inny plate has INT on it for SK's. With DE's Rallos will make you juuuuust barely KOS in some places where you aren't as Agnostic, but the RZ plate is cool.

[Vormotus]

I always thought the agnostic option was pretty ridiculous in a world where magic is a veritably real thing.

https://i.imgur.com/qYQAjBK.jpg

In a sense it is like that but taken with a fantasy setting and we end up with stuff like Pratchett envisioned ...

Where the gods went to break the windows of the only known agnostic of Discworld just to spite him hehe 8)

https://i.imgur.com/4LjOj17.gif

So here being agnostic is more like a MEH dont care attitude regarding divine beings more than atheistic beliefs.

EQ lore is quite complex, when you mix the Ethernere in it.

This is the copy paste of Vhalen on the Ethernere>

Death is but a doorway in this universe just as it is in many others. Ethernere is in a sense, an anteroom or vestibule to the realms of the afterlife. Norrathian, Trorsmangling, Cordanian, etc, all souls must pass through this dimension before going on or in some cases, returning. As with most dimensions, the gods have no influence here.[/p] In the past, I have shared information about the little known realm of Ethernere. Here in this limbo, billions of souls can be found waiting to move onward. But there are forces native to Ethernere that have a life all their own, forces that may have existed or may have sprung from the lives that pass through here. These forces have come to claim the universal vestibule as theirs. Chief among these entities is the Harrowing Horde, the guardians of Deathtoll Bell Tower. These forces manage the existence around them and often have created laws that bind souls to the Ethernere for longer than any should be. We Norrathians will all see Ethernere in our time, but will we ever escape it? Most do, but some are held back by the forces of Ethernere. Are the native forces of Ethernere the only obstruction that may keep a soul from passing on? No. There are powerful entities that can sometimes breach Ethernere and exist for long periods of time, unnoticed by the Harrowing Horde. These invaders come to the gray fields of Ethernere in search of notable individuals whose souls await their afterlife. Here is where such souls can be subjugated far more easily than within the realms of that afterlife. [p]The subjugation of souls in Ethernere can be performed in numerous ways. The reasons for such captivity vary. The Harrowing Horde has stopped such actions where souls have been used as such things as vaults of knowledge, spiritual batteries and in some cases simply to spite the soul from a glorious afterlife. There are many reasons for soul subjugation and not even the Harrowing Horde has seen them all. Pray to your gods that your time in Ethernere is brief and without complications.

So believing or not does not deter you from an Afterlife in Norrath, so agnostics perhaps do not care for an specific afterlife offered by their racial god for example,

[Vormotus]

Veeshan >Solusek >Bristlebane = Rallos = Brell = Agnostic > Tunare = Innoruuk > Other Good > Other Evil




I really really like this small scale.

Matches some of my own beliefs on the issue of religion in Norrath in P99.

Very nice!
https://i.imgur.com/rZ2glc0.gif

[Ahris]

Hello. I’m kind of curious about religion, the matter of such being which race’s religion is best for them? Besides Agnosticism. For example, is Quellious better for an Erudite Paladin to worship than Prexus faction and item wise, or is it the other way around? Innoruuk or Bertoxxulous for a Human Cleric when it comes to evil worship? How about Rallos Zek for the odd warrior?

Well the relationships between the gods determine how NPC's will consider you by default based on which deity you choose. You can get the general idea if you read about them on the wiki. This is of course combined with your racial faction, which matters just as much; Even if you worship an evil god, trolls might want to eat you because of your race.

To answer one of your questions; Prexus is a neutral god and Quellious is a good aligned god allied with several other good gods which makes her an enemy of the evil gods. In the game followers of Prexus are tolerated almost everywhere, even Neriak while followers of Quellious will be killed on sight by all worshippers of the evil gods.
On the other hand followers on Quellious will have good faction in places where they worship other good gods while Prexus followers are just tolerated.

The difference between picking a neutral god and being agnistic is that followers of the nutral god will have better faction in places where that god is worshipped if there is one and they will eventually also have access to special imbued gear (Not anytime soon though). Besides Prexus, Solusek Ro, Brell and Veeshan are other neutral gods that will eventually provide a faction advantage in certain places even though that advantage isn't always useful.

[Cen]

I really don't think ive ever encountered a gnostic atheist, but I wish I have. That would be an interesting point of view.

[El-Hefe]

"Dude, you literally killed a god. You're wearing their loot!"

Agnostic: "Hmmmmm, I still don't know"

Well... If you can kill something then logically it’s not worth worshipping or acknowledging it’s “Godhood”.