Rogue Backstab Primary Weapon

[ajdes]

Curious if anyone has worked out the math for comparing a higher damage primary vs a better ratio primary.

For example:

Glowing Iron Pike: 9/36
Jambiya: 7/26

I'm going to guess that the Glowing Iron Pike does more overall damage due to bigger backstabs (at least at some point), but I'm curious if anyone has put any thought or crunched any numbers to work out how to compare two weapons when factoring in backstabs?

[Videri]

That’ll be more complicated math than I have done regarding this. However, another point to consider is that fewer swings = less aggro, whether they hit or not. Maybe you would do slightly less damage overall with the pike, but if it’s a lot less aggro, that may be worth it. Of course, if it’s a lot less damage and only a little less aggro, it wouldn’t be worth it. I hope this provides food for thought. Good luck in your decisions. Perhaps parsing it will be the ultimate test.

[Darkslide632]

Switch in for the backstab. Problem solved, DPS maxed.

[Aaramis]

Switch in for the backstab. Problem solved, DPS maxed.

That's a level of min-maxing that will lead to insanity.

[Darkslide632]

I dunno. That's how I play.

[DMN]

That's a level of min-maxing that will lead to insanity.

WTF else do rogues have to do but hit maybe an assist button and backstab button?

[Vizax_Xaziv]

I'd go for the Pike purely from a class-enjoyment perspective! I wanna see them high-damage Backstabs!

[ajdes]

WTF else do rogues have to do but hit maybe an assist button and backstab button?

drink copious amounts of alcohol

[Vormotus]

WTF else do rogues have to do but hit maybe an assist button and backstab button?

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[Darkslide632]

Spam PICKPOCKETS whenever it refreshes ... ;)

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That's fair...

[cubiczar]

Switch in for the backstab. Problem solved, DPS maxed.

This, if you aren't playing with a weapon on your cursor and a hotbutton for your primary you are doing it wrong. Also auto-attack off, sneak hide, auto attack on, gotta level up them skills sometime 😉

[Master Roshi]

Pike when hasted

[El-Hefe]

That's a level of min-maxing that will lead to insanity.

100%

Nobody gonna say it, but this is why P99ers end up on the news for public masturbation with shocking regularity.

[SenoraRaton]

That's a level of min-maxing that will lead to insanity.

You obviously have never barded.

[Purplefluffy]

I dunno. That's how I play.

You put that on a macro right and the swap happens automatically?

[Darkslide632]

You put that on a macro right and the swap happens automatically?

Nope. But if there's a way to make that happen, I'd like to know about it!

[Aaramis]

You obviously have never barded.

I have on live, actually. I lived with an instrument on my cursor, borderline carpal tunnel from twisting, and hated my life. Ended up leaving the Bard until PoP with instrument modifiers on gear and /melody.
Hard to go back to old school Bard after that.

So yes, I'm loathe to min-max like that again for an extra 0.07%* dps.

* - percentage is completely fictional, but I couldn't care less otherwise. If you need to neckbeard that hard on a 20 year old game you're doing something wrong.

[Darkslide632]

lol.

"I click my mouse twice every 8 seconds during combat."
"OMG, what a neckbeard!"

Someone's is definitely doing something wrong when they need to try and make themselves feel better like this over a 20-year-old game.

[azeth]

Lower delay = primary. Your backstab damage is pitiful with 7 or 9. Its not going to be worth swapping weapons in for backstabs until someone gets the Efreeti War Spear (only 15 dmg piercer in classic), Crystalline Spear (13 dmg) or of course the Fanged Skull Stiletto (12 dmg).

[Darkslide632]

Lower delay = primary. Your backstab damage is pitiful with 7 or 9. Its not going to be worth swapping weapons in for backstabs until someone gets the Efreeti War Spear (only 15 dmg piercer in classic), Crystalline Spear (13 dmg) or of course the Fanged Skull Stiletto (12 dmg).

The fastest weapon available right now is 5/18. There is a huge difference between the BS damage on a 5dmg weapon, and a 9dmg weapon. It's definitely worth clicking your mouse to pick it up.

[azeth]

The fastest weapon available right now is 5/18. There is a huge difference between the BS damage on a 5dmg weapon, and a 9dmg weapon. It's definitely worth clicking your mouse to pick it up.

Okay but I didnt tell you to use the "fastest weapon", i was responding to the OP questioning Jambiya over Glowing Iron Pike.

Also there's no reason you should be using a piercer primary if youre swapping for backstabs. Its much more effective to use a slasher or blunt primary so you can slam your backstab hotkey and itll never go off til the switch is done

[Darkslide632]

I agree. I'm not using a piercer, though the fastest available weapon happens to be one. Swap in spear, backstab, swap out. Pretty simple.