People Boxing Think They Are So Clever

[Rgnorak]

It ever just pull your funny strings when clearly someone coming up with a random story just so happens to be terrible at hiding the fact they are obviously boxing.


I ran into this tonight and i sat there for a second and just thought.. does he know that we all know? ..

[Vallaen]

Your story is boring without a video or logs so imma post an old video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfvADznhTQA

[Rgnorak]

sweet!

[Evia]

Your story is boring without a video or logs so imma post an old video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfvADznhTQA

Goodness that video never gets old

[kaluppo]

That video is awesome! I had never seen it before. The comments below the video was entertaining too. If you are gonna cheat at least be good at it. Don't be so obvious in the game, use two computers with two keyboards side by side and learn to type fast one handed simultaneously. I suggest practicing two weeks on typing skills first.

Or just group with other friggin people!!!!!!!

[Tenagra]

Your story is boring without a video or logs so imma post an old video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfvADznhTQA


Hahaha I knew what video you were linking before I even clicked it. One of the best.

[AgentEpilot]

Rofl that video

[TripSin]

I had a group member box to give me buffs for a CR :( I thought they were going to log out of their character, but they didn't.....

[galach]

Please petition in game if you think someone is boxing.

[Fireblade7]

Please petition in game if you think someone is boxing.

Yes please! I hope to one day catch someone. Gonna record every second of it. :)

[kaluppo]

Yes please! I hope to one day catch someone. Gonna record every second of it. :)

You know what they say in Chicago? Snitches get stitches.

Or in this case snitches get bandages and a short ale :D

I'm too focused on not getting myself killed to notice what others are doing around me. The only time I ever noticed a boxer was once on Green when two characters showed up in front of me in Gfay while I was medding by the lift. It was so stupid too. The characters names was something like basherone and bashertwo. They were both the same race, same face, same class, ect. Basherone says something like "hi kaluppo how you doin?" Then a few seconds later bashertwo says "hi kaluppo how you doin?"

It was obvious he was going out of his way to look like a two boxer and flaunt it. Funny thing is I actually think he wasn't two boxing. I bet there was a second person running the second player in hopes of getting a guide to come test them just so they can say "Made you look!"

[Nuggie]

First time I had seen that video. Brak screwed them up. heh. Musta been that test that see's if they're on the same PC and if they are one goes LD.

[Rgnorak]

yeah im not really in the game to snitch on people.. even though GMs are highly against unfair play. If they continue to Box they always get caught.

[Rgnorak]

i really should have recorded it... it was funny to watch them talk on the "wrong" toon if you get what im saying.

[Xruptor]

First time I had seen that video. Brak screwed them up. heh. Musta been that test that see's if they're on the same PC and if they are one goes LD.

That's kinda interesting. Must be when they join group with the GM. Simple test and effective apparently. That or they make them walk a certain way or both chat at same time. That kinda of thing.

[Frug]

Goodness that video never gets old

The forced fake laughter was a bit much, but I guess amusing once.

[Kron]

Seen the exact same thing on Green. Noticed a strange duo in Highkeep one would pull and the 2nd mage toon would send in pet to attack but never stand up or cast spells.

The puller must be max lvl because he would tank the Guards and the AFK sitting toon sending in the pet was only lvl 23.

I think in 4 days the 2nd toon is now up to lvl 36 so I thought it be funny to PM him (the puller) and said hey your boxing is way to obvious you should try to change it up so people don't report you.

He blew up on me saying it's his friends character and that his just helping him so they can group together.

Grant it his "friend" will sit for hours in the same exact spot and only use his pet to kill the guards while they beat on the high lvl guy.

[RipVanFish]

Seen the exact same thing on Green. Noticed a strange duo in Highkeep one would pull and the 2nd mage toon would send in pet to attack but never stand up or cast spells.

The puller must be max lvl because he would tank the Guards and the AFK sitting toon sending in the pet was only lvl 23.

I think in 4 days the 2nd toon is now up to lvl 36 so I thought it be funny to PM him (the puller) and said hey your boxing is way to obvious you should try to change it up so people don't report you.

He blew up on me saying it's his friends character and that his just helping him so they can group together.

Grant it his "friend" will sit for hours in the same exact spot and only use his pet to kill the guards while they beat on the high lvl guy.

And you didn’t report him why? It takes 10 seconds and is one of the defining rules of the server.

Fuck boxers.

[Razdeline]

Would be funny if a GM showed up in an incident like this while spamming red and blue particle effect items.

[Bazia]

IP exemptions are abused so frequently that they should be eliminated admittedly at the expense of the tiny tiny minority who actually do use them correctly

[MaCtastic]

IP exemptions are abused so frequently that they should be eliminated admittedly at the expense of the tiny tiny minority who actually do use them correctly

I do not subscribe to this mass punishment mentality. Police your own, report when you see it.

[Evets]

I have an exemption and have never abused it. I prefer to play one character and even if boxing were permitted I wouldn't want to... I play the game for fun sometimes with my fiance sometimes not... not as some kind of online social credit score to show off (or whatever the reason for boxing is).

I play online games for online interaction if I wanted to solo I would definitely be playing something else like witcher, red dead ect.

[vossiewulf]

there should not be any ip exemptions as they are going to be abused 100%

Because you and your friends are people who cheat 100% of the time unless prevented from doing so doesn't mean everyone is like that.

And there are in fact quite a lot of people who are not in a race with anything and don't get obsessed by having particular anythings in these games.

And I still find it nearly unbelievable that people actually box by choice, before P99 I had never paid much attention to it and always associated it with Chinese plat-farmer slaves. It's like having a nice sportscar and taking it out to drive 5mph in deep mud. Yes, technically you're still driving a nice car, but every drop of fun in the experience has been removed, and that's what I think of when I think of trying to run multiple characters at once with EQ, or any game for that matter where managing multiple characters isn't designed in (BG etc.)

People who box by choice in games like these, particularly 20 year old niche games, have absolutely zero interest in what these games were designed to provide: exploration, wonder, meet lots of people, with exciting combat.

They don't go anywhere other than where maximum value to them is, they're not interested by anything they see, they don't want to interact with anyone, and the only thing they think about combat is how I can make it quicker and easier and more pointless. Only thing they care about is having whatever it is they want, be it level or item, and anything between them and those goals is just an annoyance to be cheated/min-maxed through as quickly as possible.

They don't actually experience anything, and probably don't know what it means. All they know is blind desire for whatever thing they've locked onto now as the next thing they MUST have, probably because they think that thing will make them feel better somehow. But it never does. And so they're locked in an endless chase for things that won't fix anything.

Basically their priorities are so utterly farked that the one thing you can be sure of is that they're doing none too well in life, and it ain't getting any better.

[Lemonhead]

I think most the people actually doing content 2 box (dumb idea, very easy to spot) are using 2 computers and a VPN or phone hotspot on one.

If you are going to really try to get away with consistent boxing, you are better not getting an ip exemption. Now, do some fall for the temptation to buff/rez themselves sometimes. Yah. And I've seen people use it to /q quick load toons tons of times. I sorta think all of top guild people have an IP exemption for this. If there is a way to detect single computer boxing, is there a way to completely prevent it?

[tg822]

Because you and your friends are people who cheat 100% of the time unless prevented from doing so doesn't mean everyone is like that.

And there are in fact quite a lot of people who are not in a race with anything and don't get obsessed by having particular anythings in these games.

And I still find it nearly unbelievable that people actually box by choice, before P99 I had never paid much attention to it and always associated it with Chinese plat-farmer slaves. It's like having a nice sportscar and taking it out to drive 5mph in deep mud. Yes, technically you're still driving a nice car, but every drop of fun in the experience has been removed, and that's what I think of when I think of trying to run multiple characters at once with EQ, or any game for that matter where managing multiple characters isn't designed in (BG etc.)

People who box by choice in games like these, particularly 20 year old niche games, have absolutely zero interest in what these games were designed to provide: exploration, wonder, meet lots of people, with exciting combat.

They don't go anywhere other than where maximum value to them is, they're not interested by anything they see, they don't want to interact with anyone, and the only thing they think about combat is how I can make it quicker and easier and more pointless. Only thing they care about is having whatever it is they want, be it level or item, and anything between them and those goals is just an annoyance to be cheated/min-maxed through as quickly as possible.

They don't actually experience anything, and probably don't know what it means. All they know is blind desire for whatever thing they've locked onto now as the next thing they MUST have, probably because they think that thing will make them feel better somehow. But it never does. And so they're locked in an endless chase for things that won't fix anything.

Basically their priorities are so utterly farked that the one thing you can be sure of is that they're doing none too well in life, and it ain't getting any better.

Painfully accurate. Despite being ostensibly social games mmos encourage antisocial behavior.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Your story is boring without a video or logs so imma post an old video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfvADznhTQA

Holy shit! How have I never seen this?

LITERALLY LOL'ed when Braknar Deathtouched 'em!

[BlackBellamy]

Because you and your friends are people who cheat 100% of the time unless prevented from doing so doesn't mean everyone is like that.

And there are in fact quite a lot of people who are not in a race with anything and don't get obsessed by having particular anythings in these games.

And I still find it nearly unbelievable that people actually box by choice, before P99 I had never paid much attention to it and always associated it with Chinese plat-farmer slaves. It's like having a nice sportscar and taking it out to drive 5mph in deep mud. Yes, technically you're still driving a nice car, but every drop of fun in the experience has been removed, and that's what I think of when I think of trying to run multiple characters at once with EQ, or any game for that matter where managing multiple characters isn't designed in (BG etc.)

People who box by choice in games like these, particularly 20 year old niche games, have absolutely zero interest in what these games were designed to provide: exploration, wonder, meet lots of people, with exciting combat.

They don't go anywhere other than where maximum value to them is, they're not interested by anything they see, they don't want to interact with anyone, and the only thing they think about combat is how I can make it quicker and easier and more pointless. Only thing they care about is having whatever it is they want, be it level or item, and anything between them and those goals is just an annoyance to be cheated/min-maxed through as quickly as possible.

They don't actually experience anything, and probably don't know what it means. All they know is blind desire for whatever thing they've locked onto now as the next thing they MUST have, probably because they think that thing will make them feel better somehow. But it never does. And so they're locked in an endless chase for things that won't fix anything.

Basically their priorities are so utterly farked that the one thing you can be sure of is that they're doing none too well in life, and it ain't getting any better.

There are plenty of eqemu servers that allow boxing as well as that being part of the classic experience. I find your attitude very condescending and I think you're involved in a lot of projection. Maybe that's how you would feel if you did it, but you don't get to tell people how to play in an open world mmo with no win conditions. It's not allowed on P99 and that's cool, but don't get all high and mighty how you're playing the right way and other people are blind and farked and whatever. Some people are anti-social and so what. You gotta go preen what bad people they are?

[vossiewulf]

It's not allowed on P99 and that's cool, but don't get all high and mighty how you're playing the right way and other people are blind and farked and whatever. Some people are anti-social and so what. You gotta go preen what bad people they are?

You're right that I should have said all of that applies to P99 boxers, who are cheating to do what they do. Those people have issues as it's not a matter of being antisocial, it's a matter of cheating to get what they want faster.

I would still be unable to fathom why boxing would be fun in any context, but you're right that I should have acknowledged those who only do it where it's allowed may be doing so because they want a group without people... but you know then the question is why is the person playing an MMO? Hard to follow the logic, like someone with a fear of spiders deciding they HAVE to go work at the world's largest spider zoo. But anyway, if they're not cheating then they're just being a little odd and no harm no foul.

[Bazia]

I dont resent people who box I understand in earlier PC RPGs and MUDs the player more often than not controlled an entire party rather than a single character and some people prefer that playstyle, but it does ruin p99 when people are boxing and you can't.

The exemptions are just abused at such frequency I think it is irresponsible for them to exist at this point.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

It ever just pull your funny strings when clearly someone coming up with a random story just so happens to be terrible at hiding the fact they are obviously boxing.


LOL yeah it's pretty funny. There was this dickhead on blue who was always boxing his shaman and paladin together (even had them in separate guilds to try to avoid suspicion) and I had a mutual friend with said dickhead.

My friend clued me into the fact that this guy was a boxer but swore me to secrecy as far as not reporting him. I kept my promise but I would always mess with this guy when we were grouping with him. I would talk to both of his toons like they were separate characters and it was hilarious to see him jump through all these extra hoops just to try to maintain the illusion that he was two people.

[Frug]

and the 2nd mage toon would send in pet to attack but never stand up or cast spells.

If that's a test for boxers, 80% of the mages on blue I ever grouped with are boxers.

[Frug]

Because you and your friends are people who cheat 100% of the time unless prevented from doing so doesn't mean everyone is like that.

[Expediency]

I have been on p99 nearly five years and only once run across a situation where I thought someone was boxing. Its not nearly as common as people make it out to be. By all accounts the GMs are very quick to drop the hammer on boxers

[bubur]

But if we can't get exceptions how can the ppl invite their gf to play eq with them, side by side, teaching them basic functions, then slowly realize they made a terrible mistake and have destroyed the last bastion of nostalgia in your childhood and ruined the immersive solitude of eq?

Shits classic

[Pseudechis]

If that's a test for boxers, 80% of the mages on blue I ever grouped with are boxers.

[Tilien]

If that's a test for boxers, 80% of the mages on blue I ever grouped with are boxers.

It's actually confirmed that every mage on the server is being controlled by the same person.

[White_knight]

So much boxing happens.

I would estimate 75%+ of EC tunnel rats are boxing.
So you're talking about 100-150 people right there.

[Wallicker]

So much boxing happens.

I would estimate 75%+ of EC tunnel rats are boxing.
So you're talking about 100-150 people right there.

Not to mention almost every single one of these people/listed who are just afk AF not even helping

[this user was banned]

IP exemptions are abused so frequently that they should be eliminated admittedly at the expense of the tiny tiny minority who actually do use them correctly

You don't need an IP exemption to multibox

[Frug]

So much boxing happens.

I would estimate 75%+ of EC tunnel rats are boxing.
So you're talking about 100-150 people right there.

I think you're delusional.

[fadetree]

I estimate that 86% of people making completely unfounded guesses to support some kind of conspiracy theory are delusional and kind of dumb. However, 14% are not correct. Also probably space aliens, that's a thing.

[AgentEpilot]

How do we know its not space aliens doing the boxing, we need a history channel documentary on this.

[vossiewulf]

How do we know its not space aliens doing the boxing, we need a history channel documentary on this.

You meant Hystry Channel. Ahh the good old days when it was the Hitler Channel and there was an entire channel dedicated to Discovery Wings.

[Frug]

You meant Hystry Channel. Ahh the good old days when it was the Hitler Channel and there was an entire channel dedicated to Discovery Wings.

Funny, I hadn't heard anyone else (but me) refer to it as [All] Hitler Channel. At least it was interesting then.

[Jimjam]

"Everyone is doing it" is always a screaming red flag. If someone using this phrase isn't able to name names it means with certainty that person is doing it themself.

[cd288]

Seen the exact same thing on Green. Noticed a strange duo in Highkeep one would pull and the 2nd mage toon would send in pet to attack but never stand up or cast spells.

The puller must be max lvl because he would tank the Guards and the AFK sitting toon sending in the pet was only lvl 23.

I think in 4 days the 2nd toon is now up to lvl 36 so I thought it be funny to PM him (the puller) and said hey your boxing is way to obvious you should try to change it up so people don't report you.

He blew up on me saying it's his friends character and that his just helping him so they can group together.

Grant it his "friend" will sit for hours in the same exact spot and only use his pet to kill the guards while they beat on the high lvl guy.

This doesn't necessarily scream boxing to me. Mage pets are decent so this could be an effective duo strategy IMO. Or, if the puller was much higher level, he could just be keeping aggro on him while the mage pet kills the mob so the Mage gets XP...kind of like a PL (and though the pet would eat XP, it's still theoretically faster XP if the Mage doesn't have to med ever).

[cd288]

I dont resent people who box I understand in earlier PC RPGs and MUDs the player more often than not controlled an entire party rather than a single character and some people prefer that playstyle, but it does ruin p99 when people are boxing and you can't.

The exemptions are just abused at such frequency I think it is irresponsible for them to exist at this point.

I would bet decent money that the majority of boxers on P99 are not using IP exemptions. Maybe I'm completely off base, but with VPNs, wouldn't requesting an IP exemption just put them on the staff's radar to check in that the people aren't boxing? If you were gonna box, why wouldn't you just VPN and try and fly under the radar. I bet the staff checks in on the people with IP exemptions to ensure they aren't boxing.

[greenspectre]

I would still be unable to fathom why boxing would be fun in any context

I played on a few servers with boxing rules, and there's usually 2 different rulesets. One is two toons with no MQ2 (Imperium for example) and another is as many toons as you want with MQ2 support (Visions of Grandeur and Casual Dreams, EZ server, and more).

It really comes down to different playstyles. 2-box servers without MQ2 support are basically saying "If you want some extra power, you're welcome to it, but you have to manually play the two toons" so it can make EQ play a little more like, say, Secret of Mana for example.

Unlimited boxing MQ2 servers make EQ more of a "party management" game rather than a heavy roleplay experience. Think Dragon Age instead of Fallout, where you care about multiple characters and the gameplay is more in your ability to multitask. Different playstyles for different people. Most people played EQ for the social and roleplay aspects, though, which is why P99 and its no boxing ruleset makes the most popular server.

[AgentEpilot]

IP exemptions are abused so frequently that they should be eliminated admittedly at the expense of the tiny tiny minority who actually do use them correctly

No

[vossiewulf]

It really comes down to different playstyles. 2-box servers without MQ2 support are basically saying "If you want some extra power, you're welcome to it, but you have to manually play the two toons" so it can make EQ play a little more like, say, Secret of Mana for example.

Unlimited boxing MQ2 servers make EQ more of a "party management" game rather than a heavy roleplay experience. Think Dragon Age

Thanks for the perspective.

[fadetree]

'Boxing' has nothing to do with MQ2. Limited boxing (meaning you can only have a small number of accounts online at any one time) is in my opinion a nice option to have. TAKP, for instance, allows up to 3 accounts online at a time. That's a good number because although you can certainly grind and do some of the smaller end game encounters you cannot really just run amok and take down raid targets. TAKP also has a pretty large exp bonus for others in group, so that it still encourages grouping whenever possible. TAKP does not allow MQ2 or any kind of macroing or cheating, and they are aggressive about banning for it. This means you have to PLAY your characters. Playing 3 toons at once with no macros is not easy, try it sometime...when things go sideways it can be very exciting.
I respect P99's stance on boxing, but I like boxing the way TAKP does it. I hate being lfg and I like the option to be able to grind while waiting. The box limit means nobody will be monopolizing any hard targets. The strict ban on macro-ing means you have to actually play the boxes manually.

[Tecmos Deception]

'Boxing' has nothing to do with MQ2. Limited boxing (meaning you can only have a small number of accounts online at any one time) is in my opinion a nice option to have. TAKP, for instance, allows up to 3 accounts online at a time. That's a good number because although you can certainly grind and do some of the smaller end game encounters you cannot really just run amok and take down raid targets. TAKP also has a pretty large exp bonus for others in group, so that it still encourages grouping whenever possible. TAKP does not allow MQ2 or any kind of macroing or cheating, and they are aggressive about banning for it. This means you have to PLAY your characters. Playing 3 toons at once with no macros is not easy, try it sometime...when things go sideways it can be very exciting.
I respect P99's stance on boxing, but I like boxing the way TAKP does it. I hate being lfg and I like the option to be able to grind while waiting. The box limit means nobody will be monopolizing any hard targets. The strict ban on macro-ing means you have to actually play the boxes manually.

I REALLY dislike boxing on EQ because of the limited size of the world and the generally harsh consequences for failure when trying to solo stuff like freeti, lord, etc., that are mitigated/eliminated by boxing. Say what you will about it sometimes being tricky to box, most wouldn't be trying to triple box the same content 3 separate players could handle but rather would be farming content with boxing that normally would be risky or class-limited to handle solo.

That said, when city of heroes "homecoming" emu servers fired up earlier this year, they put in a "you can run a second account, but no more than that, as long as the server population is below XXX." I forgot the exact number, but if P99 had a "you can run a second account, but no more than that, as long as the server population is below 400 (or something like that, maybe 500. Maybe 600 with kunark)," I think I would actually be ok with it. Barely. And still maybe not.

I feel like this wouldn't change things much since it doesn't do TOO much to help people trying to PL alts or farm plat/camps, as long as the number is set properly. But it throws a bone to the players who are online at 3-10 am eastern when groups can be hard to find and could help even out the class distribution a little by allowing people playing off hours to play a melee with a sham/cle or something boxed.


Or even a "you can box but one of the accounts has to be in east commonlands" policy would be tolerable, imo. Barely.

[DisbeAsos]

MQ was one of the many declines in Original EQ. I was getting towards the end of my raid career and not having enough time to put into hardcore raiding i started MQing. It was fun for a few weeks and then i realized i wasnt grouping anymore and missing the social aspect of the game. This was something that effected everyone as people LFG couldnt get in a group because half the groups were MQ groups. I used MQ for 2-3 months and then thats about the time i stopped playing.

I came back to EQ a few months ago for a Winter and night time hobby. The things i enjoy the most and am currently enjoying that ive missed for the last 10 years is the community, social and economy aspects of the game. These are the things i thought about from time to time in my 10 years away and why i am playing.

My wife likes to play a little EQ too and we use our mobile phones on hot spot for internet. I have an IP exemption so we can play together. I had a friend ask me to log her toon on while i was in another zone to do a transfer and i told him no way no how. I am trying to get my 12 and 16 yr old interested so i can play with them too so we may end up having 3 or 4 accounts on at the same time. IP exemptions are needed and a great idea.

[Kron]

If that's a test for boxers, 80% of the mages on blue I ever grouped with are boxers.

I've grouped with tons of mages and they cast spells. Maybe you only play with lazy ones that send in a pet can call it a day.

Also most people react when a high lvl mob is hitting them by either moving or trying to snare and move. This particular mage would not react in any way even if he was killed due to HK been train central.

[cd288]

I've grouped with tons of mages and they cast spells. Maybe you only play with lazy ones that send in a pet can call it a day.

Also most people react when a high lvl mob is hitting them by either moving or trying to snare and move. This particular mage would not react in any way even if he was killed due to HK been train central.

The not moving even when about to die is obviously weird, but I don't think not moving while being hit is necessarily odd.

When I play a caster, I try not to move for at least a little bit while the tank tries to regain aggro (unless I can root). When I play a tank, I appreciate casters who do that if they can't root. Nothing worse than a caster running around just because it's getting whacked a bit while you try and follow them to regain aggro.

[Pseudechis]

I've grouped with tons of mages and they cast spells. Maybe you only play with lazy ones that send in a pet can call it a day.

Also most people react when a high lvl mob is hitting them by either moving or trying to snare and move. This particular mage would not react in any way even if he was killed due to HK been train central.

Mage have snares?

[Dreenk317]

Was that the only line you read? Because literally, in the same sentence, he says most react by "moving, or trying to snare and move"....

As in, the ones without snare just try to move, however, the ones with snare (I assume he means root) will try to root and then move. Reading comprehension ftw.

[Pseudechis]

Was that the only line you read? Because literally, in the same sentence, he says most react by "moving, or trying to snare and move"....

As in, the ones without snare just try to move, however, the ones with snare (I assume he means root) will try to root and then move. Reading comprehension ftw.

Mages have root now?

[Veeshan31]

Mages have root now?

I'm sensing a mentally challenged individual.

[Nordok]

I REALLY dislike boxing on EQ because of the limited size of the world and the generally harsh consequences for failure when trying to solo stuff like freeti, lord, etc., that are mitigated/eliminated by boxing. Say what you will about it sometimes being tricky to box, most wouldn't be trying to triple box the same content 3 separate players could handle but rather would be farming content with boxing that normally would be risky or class-limited to handle solo.

That said, when city of heroes "homecoming" emu servers fired up earlier this year, they put in a "you can run a second account, but no more than that, as long as the server population is below XXX." I forgot the exact number, but if P99 had a "you can run a second account, but no more than that, as long as the server population is below 400 (or something like that, maybe 500. Maybe 600 with kunark)," I think I would actually be ok with it. Barely. And still maybe not.

I feel like this wouldn't change things much since it doesn't do TOO much to help people trying to PL alts or farm plat/camps, as long as the number is set properly. But it throws a bone to the players who are online at 3-10 am eastern when groups can be hard to find and could help even out the class distribution a little by allowing people playing off hours to play a melee with a sham/cle or something boxed.


Or even a "you can box but one of the accounts has to be in east commonlands" policy would be tolerable, imo. Barely.

The only reason I hate that boxing is allowed is because then it forces me to do it and I just find it tedious, even if useful. And its the only reason i'm not playing on the zek server cause you have to box to be competitive.

[Pseudechis]

I'm sensing a mentally challenged individual.

Pointing out that they are suggesting this mage should be laying like a necro, druid or wizard.

It's entirely appropriate that a mage without cc would let the cleric pulling the mobs deal with the cc and as someone pointed out, not run around like an idiot causing chaos. If I was in a mage and a mob agreed me I'd send pet and let the cleric position and root. Which si exactly what has been described here. Not saying there arent people boxing. Just saying this guys example and justifications are totally inconsistent and thoroughly poor.

[cd288]

Pointing out that they are suggesting this mage should be laying like a necro, druid or wizard.

It's entirely appropriate that a mage without cc would let the cleric pulling the mobs deal with the cc and as someone pointed out, not run around like an idiot causing chaos. If I was in a mage and a mob agreed me I'd send pet and let the cleric position and root. Which si exactly what has been described here. Not saying there arent people boxing. Just saying this guys example and justifications are totally inconsistent and thoroughly poor.

+1