Ogre or Troll SK for a solo player?

[Midoo]

No raiding and I doubt I'll get the guy beyond 40 and I will be soloing 70% of the time.

Will be on the Teal, and since my net worth on that server is barely 20 platinum pieces I doubt I'll have anything more than banded and a bronze 2h sword for a loong time.

With that in mind, would the Ogre's frontal stun immunity to guarantee the occasional FD/Lifetap really outweigh the massive cut in downtime from the Troll's regeneration racial?

The way I see it Ogres might perform better early game where they can easily panic-cast lifetap to turn the tide of a fight, while Trolls fare better late game where their regeneration helps them restore their enormous tank health pool faster than other races, but I'd like to hear some opinions from more experienced people.

[axisofebola]

If you are going to be soloing mostly than troll is the easy pick. You generally won't be wasting mana on things like lifetap when soloing, since that mana would save so much more hit points using dark+ fear.

I only see ogre frontal stun immunity being good on an ogre in a raiding/group situation where you might be trying to FD with 4-5 things beating on you, any one of which could theorteically stun you. But soloing it really shouldn't be much of an issue.

[Master Roshi]

Since we are talking Classic Teal, the starting stats of Ogres are a good bit above that of Trolls imo, just be sure to dump max points into INT whichever one you choose, you will need it in order to solo.

[BlackBellamy]

It won't matter one bit, not for you. You can roll a DE or Human too, won't make a difference, except you will level a LOT faster. You're going to be soloing sub-40 with crap gear. None of that high end min-max is relevant. Troll regen isn't massive - you seriously don't notice it after like level 4. For your purposes, choose a character model that pleases you.

[Gustoo]

The OGRE stats means you hit for max like every single time level 1-50. It makes a huge difference versus a garbage can geared 70 str 70 stamina elf.

Frontal stun is way more important than regen. Choose wisely. I would pick a dark elf over a troll. An iksar wayyy over a troll.

[Gatorsmash]

I'll warm you right now. Pick another combo or plan on playing another character 50% of the time.

Started a troll sk as my first character since he was my first toon back in live and post lvl 20+, if you dont quit before then, the horrific grind solo with a -68% xp pen while you watch other solo classes 5 levels below you do the same content will without a doubt get you to quit on the character because it's just not fun. This is coming from a guy who is in no rush to lvl and spends the weekend hours questing

[Vormotus]

I'll warm you right now. Pick another combo or plan on playing another character 50% of the time.

Started a troll sk as my first character since he was my first toon back in live and post lvl 20+, if you dont quit before then, the horrific grind solo with a -68% xp pen while you watch other solo classes 5 levels below you do the same content will without a doubt get you to quit on the character because it's just not fun. This is coming from a guy who is in no rush to lvl and spends the weekend hours questing

This ... so much this, it is insane how the xp penalty makes the class suck despite being so awesome.

You will feel it even more when you die, losing the days progress and sometimes a bit more.

Ugh.

My respects to the people that play with the hybrid penalty, specially the worst combos, like Ogres and Trolls ... trolls being the hardest hit.

Its like an endurance contest or something of a personal challenge for them I think, like playing with handicaps.

[Vormotus]

It won't matter one bit, not for you. You can roll a DE or Human too, won't make a difference, except you will level a LOT faster. You're going to be soloing sub-40 with crap gear. None of that high end min-max is relevant. Troll regen isn't massive - you seriously don't notice it after like level 4. For your purposes, choose a character model that pleases you.

Yep, choosing a troll or even an ogre for solo play is not really that good.

And even if you plan on raiding blue showed up that the level 50 to 60 trip is going to be hell unless you got an insane aoe chardok group or any other insane way of having xp.

I remember reading someone saying that they only way they made it past 52 at all was abusing that place, else it was going to be impossible to do it on a non grinding mentality haha.

So doing it in a Classic Environment is going to be tough.

I love SKs, they are awesome! But that xp penalty sux so much.

[Gatorsmash]

This ... so much this, it is insane how the xp penalty makes the class suck despite being so awesome.

You will feel it even more when you die, losing the days progress and sometimes a bit more.

Ugh.

My respects to the people that play with the hybrid penalty, specially the worst combos, like Ogres and Trolls ... trolls being the hardest hit.

Its like an endurance contest or something of a personal challenge for them I think, like playing with handicaps.

^ jesus didnt mention the death penalty which is BY FAR the worst part. Every death because of the time invested is a punch in the gut and I found myself avoiding content strictly because even one death was too much

[BlackBellamy]

^ jesus didnt mention the death penalty which is BY FAR the worst part. Every death because of the time invested is a punch in the gut and I found myself avoiding content strictly because even one death was too much

Just don't die omg. Outside of LD dying is mostly voluntary, why do it amirite?

Anyway, I find leveling my Ogre SK much easier than my Druid. It's slower, but it's easy peasy. I don't even move. I stand in one place and cast dots and fear and when the last fear wears off the tired mob comes to me and drops dead at my feet and I loot it and that's that. With the Druid I'm either running around kiting or backing off a broken root - it's way more labor intensive. And my SK can go toe-to-toe in dungeons so they're way more versatile. All my Druid can do it root rot and when it breaks I have limited options to relocate.

One other thing, my Druid gets constant tells for ports, so that's cool because plat is nice when I don't have anything else to do. But one thing my Druid never gets is a random invite to a group. When I play my SK it's always can you come to unrest can you come to mm we have guk group needs tank sol needs you we have group needs tank in CT it never ends. God forbid I turn my LFG on.

[Bazia]

you could solo SK but why? it's DPS is awful theres so many better options for the solo play style

[skorge]

I remember reading someone saying that they only way they made it past 52 at all was abusing that place, else it was going to be impossible to do it on a non grinding mentality haha.

Lol that someone was me, actually. And it will be worse on Green/Teal as there will be no Chardok AOE groups since they nerfed the amount of mobs you can ae...

The only thing saving you is that Velious drops only 7 months after Kunark hits so that removes 40% of the penalty a troll SK gets.

So, maybe level a troll SK up to 35 and get a guise and let him sit until Velious and then starting leveling again. This would be my strategy. And yes troll SK is amazing but the grind is REAL, lol.

People just don't understand how bad it is until they actually try it themselves. As a normal, non neck-beard person you just won't hit 60 pre Velious playing normally.

[CalypsoDG]

If you want the absolute best: Ogre SK

If you want the coolest: Dark Elf :)