i'll be honest

[Bazia]

pre-planes classic fucking sucks and is boring as all hell, I started on blue after sky was released and I always thought I wanted a fresh server but the legacy item era is very underwhelming, I guess I didn't notice on red because I was deleveling people, i've grinded to a halt on teal

anyone else feeling the same?

[TripSin]

When I first played EQ it was shortly before Kunark came out. Playing this time around I've gotten to experience zones I never really explored during the live game so it's been pretty gud for me.

[RipVanFish]

I love every era of pre Luclin eq. In this super early era I love how simple everything is.

Then again I am playing fairly casually (after neckbearding the first two weeks anyways).

[Smellybuttface]

pre-planes classic fucking sucks and is boring as all hell, I started on blue after sky was released and I always thought I wanted a fresh server but the legacy item era is very underwhelming, I guess I didn't notice on red because I was deleveling people, i've grinded to a halt on teal

anyone else feeling the same?

I think we try and sugarcoat it as much as we can, but it is boring as all hell. Then again, novelty was the only reason we didn’t see true classic back in the day as anything but boring. The game was an unpolished nightmare, lacking in basic common sense UI adjustments and game changes (especially in terms of class identity - looking at you warrior). Things like class penalty’s are absurd for a player enjoyment perspective; not quite sure how they left the cutting room floor.

But sadly, this is the only show in town. Boxes ruin the game, and every other server is chock full of them with just a fraction of the population.

[Tuljin]

Classic EQ is awesome, WoW is "polished" and it sucks.

On P99 I can customize separate chat windows for chat, spells, and melee and F-key target party members and their pets. You don't really need much more when it comes to UI. Brad (RIP) didn't like maps in games and that's why there aren't any in the game. I can totally see why and I don't mind lack of maps at all especially when there's a wiki online that tells you everything about the game.

Warrior is a fully group-dependent class, much much like other classes, with the trade-off that they are top tanks in terms of stats and ability to dual wield. They can't heal and they can't use magic. It's an RPG. They shouldn't be able to.

WoW came along and everybody could solo and quickly regen HP and Mana and also die with 0 consequence. You have constantly recycled streamlined carrot-on-a-stick quests in every new zone with maps with waypoints. The "polish" ruins the adventure. Also, time is not the only factor that makes EQ "difficult." You can't play sloppy in EQ if you want to move the bar at any decent rate and not die while getting good drops. You also need to play with a competent group of adventurers otherwise you can't even break up a 4 spawn.

But yeah EQ isn't for everyone, sure. Some people find JRPG grinding "boring." Some people find a single player first person RPG "boring." When you are grinding mobs with good players in dangerous zones and you have something that isn't a faceroll the keyboard full group with 3 mages EQ isn't boring it all. It does take a while to get your levels though =)

[Noren]

No.

[Tecmos Deception]

No.

[fadetree]

yep, and I've said as much in several posts. It was only as mind-bogglingly fun and immersive as it was because we'd never seen anything like it. Now it's just kind of tedious. Gets better, though - by Velious it's pretty damn good. My personal favorite time is during PoP. Don't bother telling me how much you hate PoP, I already know you do, and exactly why.

[Yorkshire]

yep, and I've said as much in several posts. It was only as mind-bogglingly fun and immersive as it was because we'd never seen anything like it. Now it's just kind of tedious. Gets better, though - by Velious it's pretty damn good. My personal favorite time is during PoP. Don't bother telling me how much you hate PoP, I already know you do, and exactly why.

I'm with you on PoP. I played Live until LDON and then got burned out. Although the flagging when PoP first came out was pretty darn brutal.

[Cen]

I like luclin :p

But ive never seen planes of power or plane of knowledge before, I left before those existed.

[sentinel]

I like luclin :p


I loved the newbie armor quests luclin introduced.

[DisbeAsos]

What Tuljin said! Nailed it....

Classic EQ is awesome, WoW is "polished" and it sucks.

On P99 I can customize separate chat windows for chat, spells, and melee and F-key target party members and their pets. You don't really need much more when it comes to UI. Brad (RIP) didn't like maps in games and that's why there aren't any in the game. I can totally see why and I don't mind lack of maps at all especially when there's a wiki online that tells you everything about the game.

Warrior is a fully group-dependent class, much much like other classes, with the trade-off that they are top tanks in terms of stats and ability to dual wield. They can't heal and they can't use magic. It's an RPG. They shouldn't be able to.

WoW came along and everybody could solo and quickly regen HP and Mana and also die with 0 consequence. You have constantly recycled streamlined carrot-on-a-stick quests in every new zone with maps with waypoints. The "polish" ruins the adventure. Also, time is not the only factor that makes EQ "difficult." You can't play sloppy in EQ if you want to move the bar at any decent rate and not die while getting good drops. You also need to play with a competent group of adventurers otherwise you can't even break up a 4 spawn.

But yeah EQ isn't for everyone, sure. Some people find JRPG grinding "boring." Some people find a single player first person RPG "boring." When you are grinding mobs with good players in dangerous zones and you have something that isn't a faceroll the keyboard full group with 3 mages EQ isn't boring it all. It does take a while to get your levels though =)

[BlackBellamy]

Isn't this the wrong forum section for bullshit negativity and pointless whining? Who else feels the same?

[vossiewulf]

Most of the cases I've seen of this complaint are from people who went out and leveled as fast as possible because that's important somehow, and then found themselves running up against the fact that classic EQ had little to nothing for high level characters.

Even though this fact has been known for 20 years.

[heartbrand]

Classic is a novelty that is fun to relive once or twice but that’s about it; at least for me, since enjoyment is obviously subjective. There is so much content there that seems wasted or zones that are underutilized or pointless. Would be amazing if someone redid them one day in the classic spirit with better itemization, harder enemies, more quests etc.

[Polycaster]

Keep us updated on your feelings and opinions, they are so very important to us, just as you suspected.

[El-Hefe]

Most of the cases I've seen of this complaint are from people who went out and leveled as fast as possible because that's important somehow, and then found themselves running up against the fact that classic EQ had little to nothing for high level characters.

Even though this fact has been known for 20 years.

This is the big true true.

Go empty your bed pans and take a break.

I miss Kunark a lot, but classic has plenty to keep you occupied if you’re not playing it like a full time job.

[Zeboim]

I do not like thing.

Thing sucks.

Because I do not like thing, you are not allowed to like thing. Even though we are on forum dedicated to thing.

[Fammaden]

I think you're lying.

[Midoo]

When EQ came out it wasn't meant to be thoroughly grinded to the last atom. It was meant to be an open world all about mystery and discovery and explanation. When people get into the mentality of minmaxing everything, trying to "speedrun" content and treating this virtual world like any other videogame they'll be sorely disappointed.

At least until Kunark and Velious start gamifying the world and emphasizing the RPG elements, then I guess you can try to play it like you'd play WoW.

[sentinel]

I do not like thing.

Thing sucks.

Because I do not like thing, you are not allowed to like thing. Even though we are on forum dedicated to thing.

100% -- and so is the reverse. Everyone is so binary these days. Always us vs them.

[Nirgon]

Got you covered:
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/

I'll miss ya

[Polixa]

The first time we went through elementary school it was fresh and exciting. Now that we are all in our 30s, 40s and 50s I suspect many of us would find it boring to repeat the experience beyond the first few weeks.

[Bazia]

im on hiatus until its time to collect lustrous

[M.J.]

Classic is great if you want to level characters and get classic legacy items.

Classic sucks if you want the perfect balance of risk vs reward.

For example, leveling in LoIO solo on a level 12 wizard is a great idea just after dinging, but if you then delvl and are still bound in FV from just after you got off the boat, making the corpse run to LoIO and then not being able to rebind yourself in LoIO after already having learned that running through spiders that see invis to reach to LoIO zone is risky and thus is less than rewarding even though the GI Joes told you knowledge is power. The Joes just never lived in Norrath where the level 12 caster spell tier with bind affinity is power and everything else before every new tier of power is an endless cycle of death due to players' own mistakes and hubris.

I believe the lack of variety you're thinking of and that you're conflating with a lack of depth is simply your own disillusionment with the relevance of your own power and knowledge in a rather straight forward era of plunder. Thank god there isn't something more relevant to bitch about in this iteration of P99 like wizard-mobs and ninja-mobs with the ability to warp or vanish at will. If there was the added frustration of character deaths due to events outside our control and that no amount of skill could mitigate that might actually be something worth bitching about rather than the game being mostly exactly what its intended to be.

This thread is now officially about warping mobs btw.

[branamil]

Year 12 into the project and "mobs" are still warping through the floors and ceilings. Kinda regretting all my paypal donations

[Canelek]

Hi you are complaining about a game that has no mystery anymore (outside of Kraddock’s investigative efforts). There are plenty of custom servers that cater to your issues. Or maybe they don’t, but your issues remain, eh?

[lordpazuzu]

pre-planes classic fucking sucks and is boring as all hell, I started on blue after sky was released and I always thought I wanted a fresh server but the legacy item era is very underwhelming, I guess I didn't notice on red because I was deleveling people, i've grinded to a halt on teal

anyone else feeling the same?

This is not the emulated server you're looking for.

[jacob54311]

pre-planes classic fucking sucks and is boring as all hell, I started on blue after sky was released and I always thought I wanted a fresh server but the legacy item era is very underwhelming, I guess I didn't notice on red because I was deleveling people, i've grinded to a halt on teal

anyone else feeling the same?

What's the point of posting when your opinion of the game is that negative? It's one thing to have some criticisms or suggestions to make the game more enjoyable but that's not what you're here for.

Just move on to something else if you think the core gameplay is that bad.

[zodium]

pre-planes classic fucking sucks and is boring as all hell, I started on blue after sky was released and I always thought I wanted a fresh server but the legacy item era is very underwhelming, I guess I didn't notice on red because I was deleveling people, i've grinded to a halt on teal

anyone else feeling the same?

one of the reasons everquest changed dramatically even within the classic era is that vanilla everquest is not very good

[Whyt]

The first time we went through elementary school it was fresh and exciting. Now that we are all in our 30s, 40s and 50s I suspect many of us would find it boring to repeat the experience beyond the first few weeks.

Billy Madison didn't.

[EQBallzz]

I wouldn't say classic sucks or is boring as hell. It's the base game and I think that is still pretty good. If it wasn't the game would have failed before Kunark released.

That being said I don't think classic is my favorite era of EQ. I remember being like level 30 when Kunark released and it was so exciting. Me and a friend got a port to DL and ran to FV dodging red con spiders and other monsters the whole way and being terrified. It was one of the many indelible EQ experiences that has stuck with me for so long.

I also loved the content in Kunark the best. Chardok, KC, Seb, Kurn's, Kaesora, CoM. Probably the best dungeon content in all of EQ exists in Kunark. Vast outdoor zones like FM, LOIO, Skyfire, OT, DL and EJ. Exploring these zones back in the day was some of the best EQ experiences to be had.

Then on top of the zones you factor in that Iksar make such good monks and necros...Kunark is my favorite era in EQ and maybe eclipses much (but certainly not all) of my classic experience to the point that I think it's a better starting point for EQ (at least for me).

[zodium]

i said it one hundred times before launch and i'll say it one hundred times more: early rush crazytown notwithstanding, over the whole period, vanilla sucks and is boring as hell. this is only the end of month two. now is the first stage of the mad max wasteland to come. soon weaker classes will flee across Norrath, ruthlessly hunted by roving bands of solo class warbois desperate for content. mayhap camp a decaying skeleton.

[Dolalin]

I played on Fennin Ro before I switched to Lanys when it opened in December 1999. Fennin Ro was also beta server and people who played beta rolled there again at launch. It routinely had 3k pop in prime time in vanilla. There were no mobs anywhere. Crushbone hardly had trains and LGuk was safe for a level 1 to walk to Lord, it was all cleared.

That will always be classic EQ for me. So popular it was miserable. :D

I would have preferred to see Green stay unsplit even given its pop, but we are where we are.

[silo32]

What's the point of posting when your opinion of the game is that negative? It's one thing to have some criticisms or suggestions to make the game more enjoyable but that's not what you're here for.

Just move on to something else if you think the core gameplay is that bad.


You all realize op aka bazia is a shit tier non factor from red just here to stink up the forums with his bad vibes.

Lots of nobodies from red on green teal. Red was great kept all the mental illness on one server

[Polycaster]

Year 12 into the project and "mobs" are still warping through the floors and ceilings. Kinda regretting all my paypal donations

100% classic, and working as intended. L2P

[AenorVZ]

Wow classic is that way. Thanks for sharing.

[DMN]

100% classic, and working as intended. L2P

That's straight up bullshit.