View Full Version : Patch Notes: Sunday, January 19th, 2020
Rogean
01-19-2020, 03:33 PM
The latest patch contains new required files. Download the new Patch Files from the top of the Home page, or the Getting Started Guide.
The Teal Server has been closed. All characters have been moved to Green.
Characters on /list have been merged based on the date and time they joined the /list.
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Haynar: Added several z axis fixes.
Haynar: Fixed an issue with spell push adding to z value incorrectly.
Haynar: NPC pets will follow their masters better in pathing nodes.
Haynar: Mobs moving between waypoints, should go through walls less when in pathing node areas.Content
Nilbog: Karg Icebear's quests are multiquestable.
Nilbog: Greenblood zombies, Vilnius the small will not spawn until appropriate era.
Nilbog: Byzar Bloodforge's quests are multiquestable. 'Trumpy Irontoe' quest requires amiable or better faction.
Nilbog: Added a lot of missing dialogue to Kaladim npcs.
Telin: Corrected Cordelia Minster's level range and loot.
Telin: Many more quest items and mobs will no longer drop or spawn until the appropriate era.
Telin: Prior to Kunark, the Robe of the Lost Circle will have its original classic stats.
Telin: Pre-Kunark Insight and Brilliance should now stack with charisma buffs.
Nomadic Plainswalker
01-19-2020, 03:34 PM
Wow. TY.
Quiksilver
01-19-2020, 03:35 PM
The Teal Server has been closed. All characters have been moved to Green.
Characters on /list have been merged based on the date and time they joined the /list.
/umbrella
ldgmo
01-19-2020, 03:35 PM
Ohhhh ddaaayum
Maverick7
01-19-2020, 03:36 PM
how long are the servers down?
Aviann
01-19-2020, 03:36 PM
wtf? why? shouldve merged us into red or something instead.
reznor_
01-19-2020, 03:37 PM
rip
Pacatus
01-19-2020, 03:38 PM
RIp
ifhbiff
01-19-2020, 03:38 PM
Was there any warning or discussion about merging Green/Teal this weekend? If no, why so suddenly?
Tecmos Deception
01-19-2020, 03:38 PM
<3 Haynar always hard at work on pathing :)
Jungleberry
01-19-2020, 03:38 PM
Good times.
Doktoor
01-19-2020, 03:39 PM
The Teal Server has been closed. All characters have been moved to Green.
Characters on /list have been merged based on the date and time they joined the /list.
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Not gonna bitch beyond saying I don't think the servers are ready as most people are around the same level, but I'm curious, what made you guys decide to flip the switch now?
Balimon
01-19-2020, 03:40 PM
RIP Teal you were awesome while we knew you.
Albanwr
01-19-2020, 03:41 PM
I loved Teal the way it was...time for a change I guess. RIP
Blankdrop
01-19-2020, 03:41 PM
I thought unrest was too full before, now with teal merge its gonna be a nightmare D:
MalystryxVoF
01-19-2020, 03:41 PM
wow, sudden merger sucks :( Teal was nice...
ldgo86
01-19-2020, 03:42 PM
how long are the servers down?
Tecmos Deception
01-19-2020, 03:42 PM
as most people are around the same level
People are quite well spread 1-50. You might be delusional if you actually believe otherwise, especially since you can see for yourself the exact numbers with / all count commands.
mishrak
01-19-2020, 03:42 PM
Why would you effectively double the server pop when there's not even enough raid content to sustain Teal's population?
Jungleberry
01-19-2020, 03:43 PM
Not gonna bitch beyond saying I don't think the servers are ready as most people are around the same level, but I'm curious, what made you guys decide to flip the switch now?
I'll bet they know more about this than you do.
Jungleberry
01-19-2020, 03:43 PM
Why would you effectively double the server pop when there's not even enough raid content to sustain Teal's population?
Not every player is raiding or is going to raid.
Albanwr
01-19-2020, 03:44 PM
There was little to no competition between high end guilds. This is bad for the servers. I understand the merge, even though I don't like it for every other reason other than high end competition
Ubergoober166
01-19-2020, 03:45 PM
Everyone worried about the server merge. I'm just sittin here wondering how long the servers are gonna be down for...
C5BAMF
01-19-2020, 03:46 PM
This is gonna be good ☂️
lauremore
01-19-2020, 03:47 PM
There was little to no competition between high end guilds. This is bad for the servers. I understand the merge, even though I don't like it for every other reason other than high end competition
This makes no sense. It is a game... why do we need to out poopsock people? How is that remotely healthy? This isn't a jungle gaii this is a free elf-simulator. The need to compete over pixels when we all know the raids and strategies is beyond stupid.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 03:47 PM
Awesome! thank you guys for all the hard work you put in! its appreciated!!!
Doktoor
01-19-2020, 03:47 PM
I'll bet they know more about this than you do.
Precisely. That's exactly why I asked, because they DO know more about this than I do...
Canelek
01-19-2020, 03:48 PM
Ugh. Was hoping they waited until Kunark. Ah well, hopefully doubling the population won't be as nightmarish as it seems.
Keep up the good work on those Z-Axis fixes Haynar!
Tecmos Deception
01-19-2020, 03:48 PM
Why would you effectively double the server pop when there's not even enough raid content to sustain Teal's population?
You sure you're playing the right game? Lol.
Sequoia
01-19-2020, 03:49 PM
Thanks for all your hard work admins. This won't change me donating every month to the cause!
Thrombosis
01-19-2020, 03:50 PM
I thought unrest was too full before, now with teal merge its gonna be a nightmare D:
I just moved my character to Unrest this afternoon as well :p
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 03:51 PM
Thanks for all your hard work admins. This won't change me donating every month to the cause!
Cheers to that!
Notro
01-19-2020, 03:52 PM
So is it the V53 patch we need to use?
LegendZappXXX
01-19-2020, 03:52 PM
What were you guys thinking merging. It's already a pain to get a group or find an uncamped spot. There's hardly any raid content in classic. This was ill-conceived.
slayith
01-19-2020, 03:53 PM
Well guess it's time to roll an alt. Already was impossible to get a cash camp day after day. All the lvl 50 camps were already at capacity.
Wutaan
01-19-2020, 03:53 PM
It really comes down to the amount of items being farmed and the future of the economy when the inevitable merge came, nothing to do with population issues.
EmperorMau
01-19-2020, 03:54 PM
Is there a rough estimate when servers will be back up?
Yes, sometime between 0 and 24 hours.
Baler
01-19-2020, 03:57 PM
Thank You P99 staff and contributors for making this place the best!
Haynar: Mobs moving between waypoints, should go through walls less when in pathing node areas.
I hope this means, for example, no more frogs magically clipping through walls in guk. :)
senseiRuss
01-19-2020, 03:58 PM
So sad. Teal was great :(
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 03:59 PM
everyone is worried about the merg while im just wishing I could use the Luclin model on my Ogre :( yay for ogre diapers!
Wulfe_RavenCaer
01-19-2020, 04:01 PM
Does this mean interest is declining?
Wrekt
01-19-2020, 04:02 PM
Are you fucking serious? MERGED?!?!
Camps are days wait as it is. Why the fuck
Classic doesn't have the fucking content to spread people out even
YendorLootmonkey
01-19-2020, 04:03 PM
Will we need to copy/paste our INI files?
i.e.
UI_Yendor_P1999Teal.ini -> UI_Yendor_P1999Green.ini
Yendor_P1999Teal.ini -> Yendor_P1999Green.ini
I'm assuming there's no merge mechanism to gracefully do this on the client side.
Doktoor
01-19-2020, 04:04 PM
https://imgflip.com/i/3mlf19
Qcmagican
01-19-2020, 04:04 PM
Big yikes.. :(
Imposter
01-19-2020, 04:07 PM
20 people on red....meanwhile lets merge 900 and 800 people into 1700 people on classic, no fear plane timeline.
Fizzlesticks
01-19-2020, 04:08 PM
How do install the patch?
Nahilu
01-19-2020, 04:11 PM
Glad I farmed 3 MS before merge...
rcsorenson72
01-19-2020, 04:12 PM
This a bit frustrating, not like server population was low on Teal. Why?
EATtheDEAD
01-19-2020, 04:12 PM
Is it the V53 folder I need to patch? Cause I already did it... hope I didn't just screw myself over
Yaladan
01-19-2020, 04:12 PM
I am still LFG
sebastin
01-19-2020, 04:13 PM
Say goodbye to all camps
Tenudil
01-19-2020, 04:14 PM
There was little to no competition between high end guilds. This is bad for the servers. I understand the merge, even though I don't like it for every other reason other than high end competition
There was plenty of competition on Teal. 3 guilds had been waiting for Nag to pop for 10+ hours and then they pull this crap.
Scoojitsu
01-19-2020, 04:15 PM
Too early imo. :(
Nahilu
01-19-2020, 04:16 PM
Only good news is at least we could starts some real EC flipping buisniss back )))"
douglas1999
01-19-2020, 04:17 PM
The staff said from the beginning of the split that it was done to ease the early congestion and that the servers would be merged when the populations of each warranted it. This should give us about 1200-1300 people which is a great population for a classic server. Maybe this will force people to stop fucking going to highkeep and spread out a little.
rcsorenson72
01-19-2020, 04:17 PM
Ya maybe GEBS will actually be for sale now :P
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 04:19 PM
guys, its not going to be as bad as you're thinking it is...maybe see how it goes before becoming instantly triggered....
Nahilu
01-19-2020, 04:19 PM
GEBS at 9k is legit for this ERA , not like if 9k was not doable , kill guards , stop caring about your useless freeport faction that you can grind it back in 10 hour to non kos.
rcsorenson72
01-19-2020, 04:20 PM
All it's done though, is change the congestion from "Early" to "Late" now people in the 40ish will be congested finding xp spots. This should have been Kunark change when there is much more room to spread out IMHO.
Albanwr
01-19-2020, 04:20 PM
Ya maybe GEBS will actually be for sale now :P
You can buy mine from my lvl 50 cleric
decoder_64
01-19-2020, 04:20 PM
K so wait im confused, the OP says we gotta download something, but the server does not even show up. Do we have to manually download something, or should it be automatically updated with the launcher?
And when should we see servers back up?
Tenudil
01-19-2020, 04:21 PM
All it's done though, is change the congestion from "Early" to "Late" now people in the 40ish will be congested finding xp spots. This should have been Kunark change when there is much more room to spread out IMHO.
Yeah Kunark should have opened with a merge the week before.
Albanwr
01-19-2020, 04:21 PM
K so wait im confused, the OP says we gotta download something, but the server does not even show up. Do we have to manually download something, or should it be automatically updated with the launcher?
And when should we see servers back up?
https://www.project1999.com/files/P99Files53.zip
download that and place the files in your P99 EQ directory.
Nahilu
01-19-2020, 04:21 PM
maybe GMs needed work ? not enough petition about , HE STOLE MY MOB , HE KS MY CAMP , HE TRAINED ME OH NO ,
yeetngreet
01-19-2020, 04:24 PM
lmao I came back today after years, got to level 2 on teal then BOOM
Aviann
01-19-2020, 04:25 PM
Everything has been so overcamped as is on Teal... why make this worse? I literally spent three hours last night going to every dungeon in the game at lvl 20-30 to find a spot for us to hunt(3 of us), and literally nothing was open within our range. Nobody was LFM. They had most camps being camped by higher levels for little to no xp. Now we're all gonna get stuck fighting over static spawns in the Karanas. This is such bull***t.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 04:25 PM
lmao I came back today after years, got to level 2 on teal then BOOM
Welcome back! I just came back myself! :D
Crashking
01-19-2020, 04:26 PM
K so wait im confused, the OP says we gotta download something, but the server does not even show up. Do we have to manually download something, or should it be automatically updated with the launcher?
And when should we see servers back up?
Server will show up when they bring it back up .. red/blue were originally gone here too, but are back. Green is just taking longer because of merger is my thought.
All patching is manual and will be for foreseeable future.
Kanuvan
01-19-2020, 04:27 PM
barely gonna be 1k on primetime whats the problem ppl
Aviann
01-19-2020, 04:27 PM
I guess this is where red becomes a viable option again? Would be awesome.
AenorVZ
01-19-2020, 04:28 PM
https://imgur.com/gallery/dIED6QU
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 04:28 PM
barely gonna be 1k on primetime whats the problem ppl
Just like the good ole days when p99 was still fairly new! had a blast!
VerdicAysen
01-19-2020, 04:29 PM
Everything has been so overcamped as is on Teal... why make this worse? I literally spent three hours last night going to every dungeon in the game at lvl 20-30 to find a spot for us to hunt(3 of us), and literally nothing was open within our range. Nobody was LFM. They had most camps being camped by higher levels for little to no xp. Now we're all gonna get stuck fighting over static spawns in the Karanas. This is such bull***t.
All i'm thinking now is it's gonna be virtually impossible to complete Soulfire now. lol
Albanwr
01-19-2020, 04:29 PM
I guess this is where red becomes a viable option again? Would be awesome.
red is never going to be viable because its filled with toxic assholes.
rcsorenson72
01-19-2020, 04:30 PM
barely gonna be 1k on primetime whats the problem ppl
There will be a lot more then 1k during primetime. Green was usually around 6-700 on primetime, and Teal was usually only about 70 less then Green during primetime. High 580-640. We're talking 1.2-1.5k during prime. Classic cannot support that population on 1 server without serious congestion (especially in the 40-50 level range).
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 04:30 PM
All i'm thinking now is it's gonna be virtually impossible to complete Soulfire now. lol
not true at all, back in 2011-2013 there was a high peak on Blue...it wont be that bad! hope you get it soon! cheers
Aviann
01-19-2020, 04:31 PM
red is never going to be viable because its filled with toxic assholes.
I hate to inform you but blue's toxic assholes far outnumbered the ratio of assholes in red. I can tell you probably didn't play both like I did from your statement, but keep drinking the koolaid, pal. Now we're gonna get a new influx of that same blue toxicity on this new green merged server.
Elisias
01-19-2020, 04:31 PM
Everything has been so overcamped as is on Teal... why make this worse? I literally spent three hours last night going to every dungeon in the game at lvl 20-30 to find a spot for us to hunt(3 of us), and literally nothing was open within our range. Nobody was LFM. They had most camps being camped by higher levels for little to no xp. Now we're all gonna get stuck fighting over static spawns in the Karanas. This is such bull***t.
QQ.
Here is a FULL refund.
0pp 0gp 0sp 0cp
Wrekt
01-19-2020, 04:31 PM
I'm guessing they couldn't find a way to IP block cross-servers - like not being able to play on both at once. That must be the cause of this fuckery.
Nahilu
01-19-2020, 04:31 PM
red is never going to be viable because its filled with toxic assholes.
PvP was never about carebear... That the fun of PvP you pee and shit on your opponent and perma camp his corpse until he /exit the game and delete the game.
The real joy of PvP
Aviann
01-19-2020, 04:34 PM
QQ.
Here is a FULL refund.
0pp 0gp 0sp 0cp
Here's that blue toxicity that we tried to escape by going to red. Then the green toxicity we tried to avoid by going to Teal... Its great to see you too.
EATtheDEAD
01-19-2020, 04:34 PM
I hate to inform you but blue's toxic assholes far outnumbered the ratio of assholes in red. I can tell you probably didn't play both like I did from your statement, but keep drinking the koolaid, pal. Now we're gonna get a new influx of that same blue toxicity on this new green merged server.
Stop trying to push Red, it is not going to happen. There is a reason why only 2 people play on it.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 04:34 PM
PvP was never about carebear... That the fun of PvP you pee and shit on your opponent and perma camp his corpse until he /exit the game and delete the game.
The real joy of PvP
and this is why reds population is so low :D Opening day for red and the next year or so was amazing! now you're lucky to see 50 people.
Nahilu
01-19-2020, 04:37 PM
and this is why reds population is so low :D Opening day for red and the next year or so was amazing! now you're lucky to see 50 people.
Ya i get it , EverQuest was always a PvE game to me , i Play UO when i have a PvP Rage within me , still that the pvp drill , kill on sight , or be kill.
Aviann
01-19-2020, 04:37 PM
Stop trying to push Red, it is not going to happen. There is a reason why only 2 people play on it.
There was also a reason why 500+ played on Teal and not Green, yet here we are. I play on three different servers, red is about to be the least toxic out of all of them because everything else is gonna be a political shitfest.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 04:38 PM
Ya i get it , EverQuest was always a PvE game to me , i Play UO when i have a PvP Rage within me , still that the pvp drill , kill on sight , or be kill.
Catch you in Moonglow XD
beanbrains14
01-19-2020, 04:39 PM
Thanks for the hard work you guys do! I’ve been having a blast playing again and am excited about the merge.
Wooted
01-19-2020, 04:40 PM
Everything has been so overcamped as is on Teal... why make this worse? I literally spent three hours last night going to every dungeon in the game at lvl 20-30 to find a spot for us to hunt(3 of us), and literally nothing was open within our range. Nobody was LFM. They had most camps being camped by higher levels for little to no xp. Now we're all gonna get stuck fighting over static spawns in the Karanas. This is such bull***t.
Agreed. This is stupid.
Albanwr
01-19-2020, 04:41 PM
PvP was never about carebear... That the fun of PvP you pee and shit on your opponent and perma camp his corpse until he /exit the game and delete the game.
The real joy of PvP
and most of them /exit and never came back, now those people who "pee and shit" on them want them back so the servers are populated again.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 04:43 PM
and most of them /exit and never came back, now those people who "pee and shit" on them want them back so the servers are populated again.
And this is exactly what is happening lol
Aviann
01-19-2020, 04:43 PM
and most of them /exit and never came back, now those people who "pee and shit" on them want them back so the servers are populated again.
That's not at all how it went down, nor how its going down... but its nice to see toxic players with an opinion on things they know nothing about. How about you step on red and try to get a toon over lvl 10 before having a say on this?
Aviann
01-19-2020, 04:46 PM
Easy dude.... Kinda Ironic youre calling someone toxic :eek:
Ironic how? For being upset about a merge thats gonna drastically change the amount of population we have, considering most areas of the game are already almost perma-camped? This is exactly the reason why people started pouring out from blue before aside from the whole idea of a true progression. Myself included. Overpopulation leads to more dramatics and more problems between the players and guilds, especially at a high end... This was an awful idea.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 04:47 PM
That's not at all how it went down, nor how its going down... but its nice to see toxic players with an opinion on things they know nothing about. How about you step on red and try to get a toon over lvl 10 before having a say on this?
easy dude....it kinda is how it is, I dont know how many times Ive seen people in red wishing for a actual population.... kind of Ironic you're calling people toxic :eek:
Albanwr
01-19-2020, 04:48 PM
That's not at all how it went down, nor how its going down... but its nice to see toxic players with an opinion on things they know nothing about. How about you step on red and try to get a toon over lvl 10 before having a say on this?
You really are of the opinion that I don't already. You would be wrong.
Aviann
01-19-2020, 04:49 PM
easy dude....it kinda is how it is, I dont know how many times Ive seen people in red wishing for a actual population.... kind of Ironic you're calling people toxic :eek:
You aren't understanding... This isn't just about red. Red was a way to get away from the crap that came from overpopulation on blue beforehand... it got to a point where some of us were happy on an empty 100 man server instead of dealing with a 1000ish populated blue because of the bickering and fighting that went on everyday.
Teal and Green seemed more peaceful after the split than I ever remember being.
Wutaan
01-19-2020, 04:49 PM
Everything has been so overcamped as is on Teal... why make this worse? I literally spent three hours last night going to every dungeon in the game at lvl 20-30 to find a spot for us to hunt(3 of us), and literally nothing was open within our range. Nobody was LFM. They had most camps being camped by higher levels for little to no xp. Now we're all gonna get stuck fighting over static spawns in the Karanas. This is such bull***t.
There should be an alteration to the PNP allowing a group (4-6 appropriately level'd) to be able to take a camp from high levels holding down a single spawn, most note ably in Sol-A/Upper guk/Mistmoore.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 04:49 PM
Ironic how? For being upset about a merge thats gonna drastically change the amount of population we have, considering most areas of the game are already almost perma-camped? This is exactly the reason why people started pouring out from blue before aside from the whole idea of a true progression. Myself included. Overpopulation leads to more dramatics and more problems between the players and guilds, especially at a high end... This was an awful idea.
im not going to argue with you, I would suggest maybe try finding a different server or game if you're upset. its pointless to freak out over something you have 0 control over, this is a service...a free game.
Aviann
01-19-2020, 04:49 PM
You really are of the opinion that I don't already. You would be wrong.
Prove it to me then, log in and send me a message on Arrigorn.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 04:51 PM
Prove it to me then, log in and send me a message on Arrigorn.
you dont have to prove anything, this kid is just throwing a tantrum. /ignore him
EmperorMau
01-19-2020, 04:54 PM
https://images.app.goo.gl/znpRMRTGTsEDeSmAA
Comoc1
01-19-2020, 04:54 PM
How could this happen? I was having so much fun on teal. Reeeeeeeeee!
Wooted
01-19-2020, 04:54 PM
You aren't understanding... This isn't just about red. Red was a way to get away from the crap that came from overpopulation on blue beforehand... it got to a point where some of us were happy on an empty 100 man server instead of dealing with a 1000ish populated blue because of the bickering and fighting that went on everyday.
Teal and Green seemed more peaceful after the split than I ever remember being.
They were. There were also agreements in place between existing guilds on both where all parties were happy. This is about to be one huge mess.
rcsorenson72
01-19-2020, 04:58 PM
Nobody has answered this question.. Do people really think 1 server can handle 1.5k people on classic (no planes even yet) without serious congestion (thus fighting over spawns/camps)? The 2 servers at 600+ had issues with overcrowding at times, workable but still crowded. There is just no way 1 server can handle this many people IMHO especially late levels. There is just not room to spread out. This makes no sense logistically that I can see. I'd be curious for Rogean to at least explain the thinking, we might not agree, but at least might have better understanding.
BrownBee88
01-19-2020, 05:02 PM
What is the Date for reopening Green Server?:confused:
Wutaan
01-19-2020, 05:08 PM
Nobody has answered this question.. Do people really think 1 server can handle 1.5k people on classic (no planes even yet) without serious congestion (thus fighting over spawns/camps)? The 2 servers at 600+ had issues with overcrowding at times, workable but still crowded. There is just no way 1 server can handle this many people IMHO especially late levels. There is just not room to spread out. This makes no sense logistically that I can see. I'd be curious for Rogean to at least explain the thinking, we might not agree, but at least might have better understanding.
It's either this or cut all drop rates and coin loot in half, what is so hard to understand?
FeverHawk1999
01-19-2020, 05:08 PM
what ever they did , I cant get on blue. It says I need to replace spells_us.txt(731221104) with the correct versions. I have updated (with virus protection off ) and still the the same screen at char. select screen.
there is a link ( Click this link for more information ) but it takes me to a screen that says: You do not have permission to view this page.
Nobody has answered this question.. Do people really think 1 server can handle 1.5k people on classic (no planes even yet) without serious congestion (thus fighting over spawns/camps)? .
Depends on the mindset of the playerbase.
1500 poopsocking min-maxers would have a hard time.
1500 who wants to experience everything EQ has to offer would not.
magikdesignstudio
01-19-2020, 05:10 PM
I was already on the verge of giving up on green as I wasn't able to get into groups as a cleric at lvl 13 with everything always being full, there's no chance in hell for a group now. Going back to live for now, I'll check back in six months. Good luck to all.
gladeous
01-19-2020, 05:10 PM
Only good news is at least we could starts some real EC flipping buisniss back )))"
Yes. Was thinking the same thing. Perhaps we'll get to see decent stuff for sale.
Kanuvan
01-19-2020, 05:11 PM
it is no longer a server congestion problem but a player made problem, its not the devs fault if players want to crowd into the same zone for xp and loot, eq1 was never designed for that type of behavior from the start because players in 1999 didnt have the knowledge that they have today
eq1 had multiple servers with 1k+ players and none complained about "overpop"
rcsorenson72
01-19-2020, 05:16 PM
it is no longer a server congestion problem but a player made problem, its not the devs fault if players want to crowd into the same zone for xp and loot, eq1 was never designed for that type of behavior from the start because players in 1999 didnt have the knowledge that they have today
eq1 had multiple servers with 1k+ players and none complained about "overpop"
Kanuvan, i'm not talking about even the people crowding zones like HHK. Finding "Any open" level appropriate camp at times was hard on Teal. Server can handle up to 1k maybe, depending on how spread out the level base is. Over 1k just isn't feasible, IMHO at least. I'm just saying...
ace12345
01-19-2020, 05:25 PM
OK so my knee-jerk reaction is that this is a stupid decision, i found it hard to set up in zones. Even the jboots camp was minimum 3 deep at 3-5am peak hours.
That said I also want to say that my next statement is based on assumptions.
Merging of the servers was going to happen as staff had said. Waiting until a later date to merge would cause a massive problem as players from Teal fall further and further behind Green players in terms of strength.
Right now items are cheaper on Green than on Teal even with Green having a higher demand (player count). Which means that its easier to gear yourself for raids and therefor more likely that a guild can take out raid targets effectively leading to better equipped players. IF that continued you would struggle to see any Teal guilds compete as further patches and content were released.
Merging now gives Teal players access to cheaper items and helps them before any more content is released and lessens the gap that would be apparent if a merger was made pre-kunark where Teal guilds may be struggling to down Planes bosses.
gladeous
01-19-2020, 05:26 PM
red is never going to be viable because its filled with toxic assholes.
Reds dead. There's like 3 people left but lots of open camps there though.
SUBJ3KT17
01-19-2020, 05:26 PM
eq1 had multiple servers with 1k+ players and none complained about "overpop"
I can't speak for how it was back in the day because I simply don't remember. But I can say definitively that it can be difficult getting a camp at higher levels at this stage of the game because there simply aren't enough options yet. And that was with 600-800 players currently active. Doubling that WILL make things worse.
I speak only for myself, but I'm sure there are others that will agree. I don't want to sit around in a game waiting to play it just because all the content appropriate for my level is currently being used up. That just isn't enjoyable.
That very fact will inevitably thin the ranks as people move on to other games. The question is, who will survive the hard times approaching?
Erati
01-19-2020, 05:29 PM
what happens if characters from Green or Teal are missing if they were on the same account?
lol they are probably tired of dealing with both servers as 2 entities so they merged them now instead of 2 years from now
Rader
01-19-2020, 05:33 PM
what happens if characters from Green or Teal are missing if they were on the same account?
You knew they were going to merge at some point, your bad if you jammed up 8 chars on both Green and Teal on the same account
Erati
01-19-2020, 05:34 PM
You knew they were going to merge at some point, your bad if you jammed up 8 chars on both Green and Teal on the same account
odd response, I am sure I am not the only one and I had 3 char on Teal lol
guyzmo52
01-19-2020, 05:34 PM
Brillance does not stack with the charisma buff as announced
silverbolt
01-19-2020, 05:39 PM
so I'm kiting a HG in rathe and we just get a message that there was a problem with the merge. Boom disconnected. I will absolutely log back in dead AF, post hell lvl 36 so will lose an entire orange. I have so many questions, like: 1) could you not have given us 60 seconds heads up before DC and 2) why in gods name are green and teal merged? The whole reason they launched teal was concern for lack of raid targets in classic. We are 9 months from kunark, no planes yet, RIP lists only account sharers will get those items now, enjoy camping single static spawn HGs, high ZEM zones will be unusable. I realize admins know things we don't but I don't see a compelling case for the merge right now.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 05:39 PM
Nobody has answered this question.. Do people really think 1 server can handle 1.5k people on classic (no planes even yet) without serious congestion (thus fighting over spawns/camps)? The 2 servers at 600+ had issues with overcrowding at times, workable but still crowded. There is just no way 1 server can handle this many people IMHO especially late levels. There is just not room to spread out. This makes no sense logistically that I can see. I'd be curious for Rogean to at least explain the thinking, we might not agree, but at least might have better understanding.
Blue use to thrive in its prime with a high pop. I think it will be a bit congested yes but I also think there is a reason they've decided to take this action. people actually think its malicious which is hilarious, but in all honesty there was only a second server created because of how congested lvl 1-20 was on opening day of Green. they also said there would be a merge eventually, I was thinking Kunark would when the merge happens but like I said I think they did this for a reason, they've been running these servers for over 10 years as you can see my account dates to 2010. they know what they are doing, but who knows things could change at any time, they could decide tomorrow it was a bad idea to merge, guess we will find out. either way Im still going to play and support and spread the word of p99 XD cheers!
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 05:41 PM
what happens if characters from Green or Teal are missing if they were on the same account?
im sure there will be a work around for you to be able to transfer what characters you want merged but I dont know for sure, I was wondering the same thing. guess we will find out hehe
Attos
01-19-2020, 05:42 PM
it is no longer a server congestion problem but a player made problem, its not the devs fault if players want to crowd into the same zone for xp and loot, eq1 was never designed for that type of behavior from the start because players in 1999 didnt have the knowledge that they have today
eq1 had multiple servers with 1k+ players and none complained about "overpop"
Classic had a muuuuuch different level distribution on those servers at this time period. Now we have people who know the game inside and out, so the low->mid level experience is much different than it was on live (which was incredibly congested).
Comparing numbers on p1999 to Live is just kinda dumb, it's a different game now than it was then.
Now I get my Teal family back~
SUBJ3KT17
01-19-2020, 05:42 PM
Blue use to thrive in its prime with a high pop.
At what stage in the game, though? There just isn't enough content yet to support the numbers we're now facing.
Service
01-19-2020, 05:44 PM
what ever they did , I cant get on blue. It says I need to replace spells_us.txt(731221104) with the correct versions. I have updated (with virus protection off ) and still the the same screen at char. select screen.
there is a link ( Click this link for more information ) but it takes me to a screen that says: You do not have permission to view this page.
Reinstall the update. I had the same issue
rcsorenson72
01-19-2020, 05:44 PM
Blue use to thrive in its prime with a high pop. I think it will be a bit congested yes but I also think there is a reason they've decided to take this action. people actually think its malicious which is hilarious, but in all honesty there was only a second server created because of how congested lvl 1-20 was on opening day of Green. they also said there would be a merge eventually, I was thinking Kunark would when the merge happens but like I said I think they did this for a reason, they've been running these servers for over 10 years as you can see my account dates to 2010. they know what they are doing, but who knows things could change at any time, they could decide tomorrow it was a bad idea to merge, guess we will find out. either way Im still going to play and support and spread the word of p99 XD cheers!
I will still play as well, and I do appreciate all the hard work they do. It's just this doesn't make a lot of sense. They created Teal to relieve congestion. Now they have just moved congestion from 1-20 to 40-50. Kunark merge would have made more sense when player base would have had MUCH more room to spread out.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 05:45 PM
so I'm kiting a HG in rathe and we just get a message that there was a problem with the merge. Boom disconnected. I will absolutely log back in dead AF, post hell lvl 36 so will lose an entire orange. I have so many questions, like: 1) could you not have given us 60 seconds heads up before DC and 2) why in gods name are green and teal merged? The whole reason they launched teal was concern for lack of raid targets in classic. We are 9 months from kunark, no planes yet, RIP lists only account sharers will get those items now, enjoy camping single static spawn HGs, high ZEM zones will be unusable. I realize admins know things we don't but I don't see a compelling case for the merge right now.
they made a second server because of how congested lvl 1-20 was on opening day of Green having people play that have never even played EQ before which is awesome! and also told us that there was going to be a eventual merge back to 1 server. and about the HG death that does suck bro, ive been there haha. maybe see if you can find a nice cleric? hope you dont log back in dead! and GL with leveling! Cheers.
perrycg
01-19-2020, 05:46 PM
So do I need to reinstall everything? cause nothings working at all
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 05:47 PM
I will still play as well, and I do appreciate all the hard work they do. It's just this doesn't make a lot of sense. They created Teal to relieve congestion. Now they have just moved congestion from 1-20 to 40-50. Kunark merge would have made more sense when player base would have had MUCH more room to spread out.
I do agree 100% and thought that the merge would happen during Kunark myself but there's a reason they've done this...im sure we will find out in time. cheers bro
Somekid123
01-19-2020, 05:47 PM
Perrygc you need to install the latest spell files, click on getting started on top left corner and scroll down a pinch.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 05:48 PM
So do I need to reinstall everything? cause nothings working at all
goto the home page and download the new version file and just extract it over like you did when you first installed, you will not have to reinstall the game.
douglas1999
01-19-2020, 05:50 PM
I will still play as well, and I do appreciate all the hard work they do. It's just this doesn't make a lot of sense. They created Teal to relieve congestion. Now they have just moved congestion from 1-20 to 40-50. Kunark merge would have made more sense when player base would have had MUCH more room to spread out.
This is just wrong, there are a TON of people who aren't even 30 yet, much less 40. 40-50 will always be congested since you can't level beyond 50. They created teal because within the first few days nobody was higher than like lvl 15, and people were camping single static roaming mobs in outdoor zones. That is a much worse problem and it makes no sense to pretend *all* they did was move the congestion from one level range to another; there are way more relevant details to consider.
silverbolt
01-19-2020, 05:50 PM
they made a second server because of how congested lvl 1-20 was on opening day of Green having people play that have never even played EQ before which is awesome! and also told us that there was going to be a eventual merge back to 1 server. and about the HG death that does suck bro, ive been there haha. maybe see if you can find a nice cleric? hope you dont log back in dead! and GL with leveling! Cheers.
[float-right]https://i.imgur.com/ntwPycQ.png[/float-right]Update Sunday November 3rd: Teal is Live!
It was also important to consider the affect such a population will have once the majority of players start reaching end game zones, of which there are a very limited amount, particularly in Classic. The fact is, even at concurrent numbers of 1500 to 2000, it is simply too many players for pre-Kunark. Considering all of this, it has become clear that a second server is necessary.
silverbolt
01-19-2020, 05:51 PM
wasn't just for launch, they were concerned about end game content
Romeman5757
01-19-2020, 05:53 PM
i not just delete teal play if we wish . i dont want him but i am full on gren does this mean i lose my nerco last roll . please dont
Canadiantx69
01-19-2020, 05:54 PM
Originally Posted by Rogean View Post
Update Sunday November 3rd: Teal is Live!
It was also important to consider the affect such a population will have once the majority of players start reaching end game zones, of which there are a very limited amount, particularly in Classic. The fact is, even at concurrent numbers of 1500 to 2000, it is simply too many players for pre-Kunark. Considering all of this, it has become clear that a second server is necessary.
niiiiice.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 05:56 PM
yes and also said they will merge once the populations die down, and they have by a lot compared to opening day. I do agree it will be congested for a pre-kunark but theres a reason they have made this decision so soon. we will find out im sure.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 05:57 PM
i not just delete teal play if we wish . i dont want him but i am full on gren does this mean i lose my nerco last roll . please dont
I wouldn't think so. Im sure you will still have your toons.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 05:58 PM
wasn't just for launch, they were concerned about end game content
They literally said they were going to eventually merge them back.....
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 06:03 PM
If you dont see your characters on the select screen, delete the ones you dont want or use until they pop up, its like a list.
FeverHawk1999
01-19-2020, 06:08 PM
well I have reinstalled the update many many times now. still the same problem. Everything seems to be updating correctly however. Im old. I may need it dumbed down for me. The setup guide doesn't seem to have an answer.
gladeous
01-19-2020, 06:12 PM
There was also a reason why 500+ played on Teal and not Green, yet here we are. I play on three different servers, red is about to be the least toxic out of all of them because everything else is gonna be a political shitfest.
Why are you still here snowflaking on green? Go join the other 3 people on red then. Guaranteed no drama.
Aviann
01-19-2020, 06:19 PM
Why are you still here snowflaking on green? Go join the other 3 people on red then. Guaranteed no drama.
Did you ignore the part where I said I play on three different servers? I have my reasons to play on each of them, given their differences. But now this means Teal will just be thrusted back with a bunch of toxic peeps like yourself.
Raistbun
01-19-2020, 06:46 PM
im from teal trying to play , clicked on the download here , log in game and get error
spells_us.txt(731221104)
FeverHawk1999
01-19-2020, 06:51 PM
im from teal trying to play , clicked on the download here , log in game and get error
spells_us.txt(731221104)
If you figure this out, please let me know
If you figure this out, please let me know
Redo the zip file over top your installation. You might even want to redownload it.
FeverHawk1999
01-19-2020, 07:14 PM
Redo the zip file over top your installation. You might even want to redownload it.
I must be doing something wrong, because I have done so over and over again.
Gildy
01-19-2020, 07:22 PM
Because we are still waiting for approval to play on the same server, my husband can't play. :(
perrycg
01-19-2020, 07:26 PM
Okay. so i had to do a complete reinstall! Does this mean Ive lost my toons?
loramin
01-19-2020, 07:26 PM
Because we are still waiting for approval to play on the same server, my husband can't play. :(
As a temporary workaround, get a VPN.
Obligatory warning: If you try to do this to play two accounts at once ("two-box") it won't help: you will get caught, and you better hope it's sooner rather than later ... because if it's later you'll be losing two accounts you've invested heavily in :)
BUT ... if you only use this to let two humans play two accounts at once, it's 100% legal and allowed by the server rules. For $5/month (and only until your exemption is granted) you and your husband could be playing together on Green right now.
loramin
01-19-2020, 07:27 PM
Okay. so i had to do a complete reinstall! Does this mean Ive lost my toons?
Toons live on the server: unless you explicitly delete them they're never lost, so they're almost certainly sitting there waiting for you right now.
You will have to redo any configuration though, like hotkeys/macros/friends list/etc.
loramin
01-19-2020, 07:30 PM
I must be doing something wrong, because I have done so over and over again.
I've heard of issues on Windows where, depending on how you do it, it doesn't really replace everything, and that causes problems.
I forget the details, and I'm not on Windows, but if you are that might be the issue. Maybe try a different zip program, or extract everything to a separate folder first, then copy it over, rather than doing it together?
The fix was something like that, but unfortunately I don't remember the details. If you check the technical forum you might have better luck.
aaezil
01-19-2020, 07:31 PM
My son is paralyzed in both arms and hands he really liked to play druids/clerics before his accident but he still wants to play eq with me is it alright if i control his computer for him while i control my character on my computer? Can i download a vpn fr this?
Issar
01-19-2020, 07:40 PM
/umbrella
Mind if I stand next to you? I'll bring the popcorn lol
Ella`Ella
01-19-2020, 07:55 PM
/umbrella
I've long since retired. Sad to see there's still a need for my services.
Baler
01-19-2020, 08:11 PM
I've long since retired. Sad to see there's still a need for my services.
You should come back :)
Neonseraphim
01-19-2020, 08:31 PM
Teal sudden merge with green. Hi, I hope I can find the right words for this. But this merge has really handicapped those people trying to get their hands in a manastone/rubiBP and the likes. The list has doubled because of the merged. It is now harder to find a goof exp group camp 30+. I will like to request for the Teal server to come out with Kunark, since by then there will be lots more choices for hunting grounds and we do not have to worry about manastone and those other items. Please seriously consider.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 08:38 PM
well I have reinstalled the update many many times now. still the same problem. Everything seems to be updating correctly however. Im old. I may need it dumbed down for me. The setup guide doesn't seem to have an answer.
Download V53 from the Home page here, its one of the first things that you will read when you click Home tab that's right beside the forums tab. among that sentence is a part that will guide you on what to do with the Download v53. you will be extracting what you have downloaded into your EQ folder. you will want to allow it to override everything it needs to.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 08:46 PM
Teal sudden merge with green. Hi, I hope I can find the right words for this. But this merge has really handicapped those people trying to get their hands in a manastone/rubiBP and the likes. The list has doubled because of the merged. It is now harder to find a goof exp group camp 30+. I will like to request for the Teal server to come out with Kunark, since by then there will be lots more choices for hunting grounds and we do not have to worry about manastone and those other items. Please seriously consider.
so you want them to cater to your needs? :confused:
agentsi1511
01-19-2020, 08:49 PM
Will there be any notification as to why the sudden merge? Teal was created because when folks were on green, it was resting over 1,000 concurrent users. Which was deemed too much by the staff, hence teals creation. Now during off-hours, server pop is 1300ish, and during peak, it will undoubtedly be in the 1500-1750 range. Is this sustainable? It's hard enough on teal to find camps at 50 to do anything, everything is camped. Now you've double the population before anyone was ready, and its a literal shit show trying to find things to do.
Rust1d?
01-19-2020, 09:07 PM
Was fun while it lasted. Time for a break and wait for season 9 of eqpvp.
Haynar
01-19-2020, 09:17 PM
My son is paralyzed in both arms and hands he really liked to play druids/clerics before his accident but he still wants to play eq with me is it alright if i control his computer for him while i control my character on my computer? Can i download a vpn fr this?
Sorry for his issues.
But this would fall under boxing. And would be a bannable offense.
If he is just watching you play for him, then just play for him.
goldlush
01-19-2020, 09:50 PM
Darn I was looking forward to playing on Teal in Unrest. I'm only level 16 but I liked the small player base.
Also red was great. Aside from some players using slurs I had fun and everyone was really kind and generous and most people were ironically ostrasized for gabkijg someone so I rarely had pvp encounters.
Wish there was a team pvp server but it would suffer the same fate.
Pyrocat
01-19-2020, 09:57 PM
I've been playing on this server since 2009 and this is by far the worst decision the staff have made. Extremely disappointed to see the staff make a decision which makes the daily life of every single player significantly worse.
Neonseraphim
01-19-2020, 10:24 PM
so you want them to cater to your needs? :confused:
not to my needs, but to the needs of many people like me. I am not the only one that affected by the merge. I am talking about hundredths of people.
Skinnah
01-19-2020, 10:31 PM
Teal sudden merge with green. Hi, I hope I can find the right words for this. But this merge has really handicapped those people trying to get their hands in a manastone/rubiBP and the likes. The list has doubled because of the merged. It is now harder to find a goof exp group camp 30+. I will like to request for the Teal server to come out with Kunark, since by then there will be lots more choices for hunting grounds and we do not have to worry about manastone and those other items. Please seriously consider.
sorry bud but not everyone gets a trophy here.....if you want it then put in the work to get it or buy it....:eek:
Haynar
01-19-2020, 10:51 PM
I've been playing on this server since 2009 and this is by far the worst decision the staff have made. Extremely disappointed to see the staff make a decision which makes the daily life of every single player significantly worse.
Drama queen much?
You are forced to play here?
Decision is made. Its not going to be undone.
Pretzelle
01-19-2020, 10:54 PM
Haynar, can you take a look at the wurm at the entrance of VP?
TripleLegit
01-19-2020, 11:02 PM
Man, I see a lot of folks upset about losing the population of teal. Goood news, we have a server perfect size for you. Consider blue.....
Aadill
01-19-2020, 11:10 PM
I'm glad all the players on green and teal can experience the EverQuest classic experience together.
halfer777
01-19-2020, 11:37 PM
I was having some fun non-traditional groups in City of Mist (ranger, warrior, enchanter) that were a-ok due to everyone being omega twinked beyond where they should be. Even met a level 47 warrior with their epic! Looking forward to everyone coming back to blue. I can sit my main back in the oasis and buff the crocodile hunters again <3
Asteria
01-20-2020, 12:32 AM
Green/Teal legal Boxing bites the dust!!
Ex-Boxers are TRIGGERED!!
It was always known this would happen eventually, and high drama will ensue over the PIXELS (URGHHHHH!!!)
Pyrocat
01-20-2020, 12:32 AM
Drama queen much?
You are forced to play here?
Decision is made. Its not going to be undone.
I don't have the right to voice my opinion?
Multiple servers is classic. This is straight up bad for the health of the community and server population. More drama, more competition over fewer mobs, more petitions, more wasted time of the guides and GMs in resolving player disputes.
Not everyone enjoys the competitiveness and toxicity of the raid scene, and this effectively makes every camp and zone much more hotly contested. It will drive people away from the server. I'm sure that wasn't the intent, but it's what the result will be.
greenspectre
01-20-2020, 12:46 AM
Haynar: Added several z axis fixes.
Haynar: Fixed an issue with spell push adding to z value incorrectly.
Does this mean Unrest mob warping is finally fixed?
Exelyon
01-20-2020, 12:47 AM
I apologize if it has been posted, but if brilliance and chr buffs are now supposed to stack on green, they do not.
douglas1999
01-20-2020, 01:01 AM
I don't have the right to voice my opinion?
Multiple servers is classic. This is straight up bad for the health of the community and server population. More drama, more competition over fewer mobs, more petitions, more wasted time of the guides and GMs in resolving player disputes.
Not everyone enjoys the competitiveness and toxicity of the raid scene, and this effectively makes every camp and zone much more hotly contested. It will drive people away from the server. I'm sure that wasn't the intent, but it's what the result will be.
Well I'm glad you can see the future. Yes not everyone enjoys the competitiveness, but by that very same notion, lots of people DO enjoy it. I'm sorry this doesn't make you happy within less than 12 hours of it even happening, but I for one am extremely happy about it, and I'm not even close to raid level yet. There are lots of, ya know, *other people* besides you who enjoy p99, and I love seeing such a large population. Yes classic had multiple servers, and they each had 1000+ on them easily pre-kunark.
Pyrocat
01-20-2020, 01:08 AM
Yes, lots of people do enjoy it. I raided on blue for many years in the top end guild. In my humble opinion, Project 1999 should serve people who enjoy competition and those who don't. This change makes it so only one of those is possible.
Conchis
01-20-2020, 02:16 AM
Yes classic had multiple servers, and they each had 1000+ on them easily pre-kunark.
We will see how the merge goes, but I think Classic populations are not a good example. It wasn't a 20 years old, dissected down to the bone game back then. People were spread out more, because 90% didn't even know what a Rubi BP was.
Today most players know the optimal equipment and camps for their class, and those that don't find out easily through one of the multiple guides available in the wiki. That is why 600 felt crowded on Teal.
Since I don't have the data that the team does, I can't constructively criticize their decision. All I can say is that I already had to compete for every piece of content so far, and having more people around doesn't exactly make me hopeful of having a better time in the future.
GnomeCaptain
01-20-2020, 02:50 AM
Thanks for all your hard work, and I think your timing is excellent.
Anxarcule
01-20-2020, 03:22 AM
I'm a relatively casual player who was hoping to get involved in the raid scene and felt like it might be possible with the player count we had prior to the merge. I have fond memories of raiding on Red even though we were sometimes massacred by other guilds. I'm sure the staff have their reasons (and I'm sure if they were publicised it would make sense) but it's a bit a bummer for me to log on and see my usual hunting grounds have a line of 2+ people waiting for spawns.
I think the server population being in the 400-500 range was just right - in classic EQ back in '99-2000 we didn't have a wiki and per levelling guides and all the things we have now. Hell, I remember finding hunting spots through word of mouth so the player base was much more spread out in the fringe areas. Now we're going to have a complete ciusterfuck in high ZEM zones and 40+ dungeons. I think the merge could have made a lot more sense around Kunark's release personally, but what's done is done. I have a hunch the move was made in part to limit legacy items which is fine (I would never have had a chance to get one, and I think poopsocking should be discouraged by those who can't help themselves), but I foresee the number of players dwindling down due to this.
I know this probably isn't popular opinion but it might make sense to implement instanced raids for guilds that can field a certain number of players. Any player participating in said instance would be locked out of any other instances of that zone for a week (even if they jump to another guild) so loot would be attainable by everyone. I know this isn't "classic" but it would give everyone access to content, so the poopsockers can keep on doing their thing, and a guild of casual players who love the game can get to experience endgame content according to their schedule.
Buellen
01-20-2020, 03:38 AM
Holy cr#p people need to calm down.
Making 18 plus page complaint will not change it as haynar has said.
1) Accept it and keep playing
2) Do not accept it and move on to whatever eq server you feel like playing.
3) Read my Quote for clarification how much the devs care about your opinion
Nilbog:
" I'll keep making classic changes when I can, regardless if people threaten to quit. I'm here to recreate classic eq; not to make people happy."
Fallan11
01-20-2020, 04:00 AM
Atleast the patches are tested before being rolled out. Woulda sucked to roll a new patch out that broke the game even more. Oh, wait...
agentsi1511
01-20-2020, 04:05 AM
Holy cr#p people need to calm down.
Making 18 plus page complaint will not change it as haynar has said.
1) Accept it and keep playing
2) Do not accept it and move on to whatever eq server you feel like playing.
3) Read my Quote for clarification how much the devs care about your opinion
Nilbog:
" I'll keep making classic changes when I can, regardless if people threaten to quit. I'm here to recreate classic eq; not to make people happy."
This game is about the community. From plenty of the posts, the folks running P99 care about the community and creating a good classic EQ experience. That being said, they knew Green was overpopulated, so what did they do to help that experience? They created Teal. The communities on their respective servers were very tight-knit, and even as of a day ago, it was still very populated. Over-populated still to a degree that list camps and most exp camps, in general, are highly contested from 30+ in many zones. Now, they brought the servers together, effectively ruining the experience for many folks who are still in the leveling process. Folks at the end game were already at each other's throats fighting for members and dragons.
But your type of toxicity is fairly typical at this point from folks. There was no heads up about when it was going to be done, or why, or what sort of justification was used to do so. It was just hey, this is happening, deal with it. Very disrespectful to the community they so claim to want to help enjoy the experience. This didn't help it, it hurt it.
That is of course, unless this is what they wanted. For folks to stop playing. Not because they don't enjoy the game. But because they log in, and can't enjoy the game. If overpopulation was enough to create an additional server, it should've been enough of a reason to keep them separate until the populations naturally declined instead of forcing it, which was the result.
Menenolly
01-20-2020, 05:18 AM
I'm only annoyed that I have to reset all my UI boxes, so just a minor annoyance.
Conchis
01-20-2020, 05:36 AM
Holy cr#p people need to calm down.
Making 18 plus page complaint will not change it as haynar has said.
1) Accept it and keep playing
2) Do not accept it and move on to whatever eq server you feel like playing.
3) Read my Quote for clarification how much the devs care about your opinion
Nilbog:
" I'll keep making classic changes when I can, regardless if people threaten to quit. I'm here to recreate classic eq; not to make people happy."
I think there's nothing wrong with people voicing their opinion. It doesn't matter whether that results in others taking action. Frankly, I think you're doing it yourself. There are a lot people who are unhappy with the change, and you posting here isn't going to stop them. Yet you still do it.
I also think that quoting a couple of sentences out of their context just causes more misunderstandings and uproar than anything else.
Neonseraphim
01-20-2020, 08:16 AM
Nilbog:
" I'll keep making classic changes when I can, regardless if people threaten to quit. I'm here to recreate classic eq; not to make people happy."
__________________
Sure doing a good job with the classic experience including making people angry and leaving EQ to play WoW or other MMOs. Since when merging servers part of the EQ experience? Completely out of context statement by the devs. In fact they had to merge servers because people where leaving and was needed to keep servers at a healthy population. Right now it is not healthy with the amount of content it has.
dbouya
01-20-2020, 08:42 AM
Why would you effectively double the server pop when there's not even enough raid content to sustain Teal's population?
vanilla eq has no raid content at all really. and that's classic. vanilla EQ has like i dunno 5minutes of raid content a week server wide. doubling that to ten minutes doesn't really help matters.
Skinnah
01-20-2020, 09:18 AM
Holy cr#p people need to calm down.
Making 18 plus page complaint will not change it as haynar has said.
1) Accept it and keep playing
2) Do not accept it and move on to whatever eq server you feel like playing.
3) Read my Quote for clarification how much the devs care about your opinion
Nilbog:
" I'll keep making classic changes when I can, regardless if people threaten to quit. I'm here to recreate classic eq; not to make people happy."
This isn't a third world country...im not sure where you are from but most of us have the right to give a opinion and the right to free speech, but cheers to you for trying to shush a mound of people with quotes used out of context. :D
Aviann
01-20-2020, 09:41 AM
Consider red Bois. The time is now.
Skinnah
01-20-2020, 10:07 AM
Consider red Bois. The time is now.
I can honestly see the population for Red growing.
FeverHawk1999
01-20-2020, 10:20 AM
At least you guys can play at all.. I play blue and this patch has screwed something up for me and after following all the fix suggestions in the Tech forum for the spells_us.txt thread I still cant get pasts the character select screen. I just get a link that takes me to a page that I do not have permission to view..
Aviann
01-20-2020, 10:26 AM
I can honestly see the population for Red growing.
We've been spread out for a while now, logging on last night and seeing all the old faces showed me that were all still very interested in playing there... Maybe this was all part of their plan. Lol
gladeous
01-20-2020, 10:31 AM
Did you ignore the part where I said I play on three different servers? I have my reasons to play on each of them, given their differences. But now this means Teal will just be thrusted back with a bunch of toxic peeps like yourself.
When everybody else is toxic, perhaps it's you that's toxic.
Aadill
01-20-2020, 10:49 AM
How much is it a month to keep a server running so people can loot their manastone without competition?
Ella`Ella
01-20-2020, 11:09 AM
It will drive people away from the server. I'm sure that wasn't the intent, but it's what the result will be.
That's the thing; it won't - or, at least not to any level of significance. A number of people here have been discontent for the better part of a decade, but continue to play.
The project has yet to experience that critical mass of player exodus where the management is forced to consider the opinions/feedback of the community.
The advice of some of the oldest wealth suggests find an addiction of the people and commercialize it. Add EQ next to alcohol, gambling, and nicotine.
Molitoth
01-20-2020, 12:04 PM
LOL @ more Z-axis changes. It gets worse with every patch.
Palemoon
01-20-2020, 12:06 PM
I can honestly see the population for Red growing.
love the pic in your sig
and teal/green merging = maybe people will spread out??? try permafrost
Asteria
01-20-2020, 12:17 PM
The server works brilliantly as a nostalgia fix and gaming museum, especially with good friends...
Most healthy people, even the biggest history/art nerds don't try to turn their favourite trip down memory lane into some kinda obsession with all waking hours at their favourite museum in the world. The ones that do fall in love with a particular museum and are decently well adjusted individuals may get a job or volunteer there. In many other cases, they will turn their passion into many different facets of their life but still have a life outside their favourite museum or style of art/architecture, time in history etc.
There are many ways to have to have Everquest and P99 as part of a well-balanced and healthy diet of life activities, heck even among many games wirh friends if y'all just love video games or have an addiction or intense love of games like I sometimes do.
Enjoy and love P99 as the nostalgia gaming museum it is, don't take the peer pressure from the unhealthy shut-ins in some of the high end guilds and let them convert you into one of them.
Dorubbaga
01-20-2020, 12:30 PM
At least you guys can play at all.. I play blue and this patch has screwed something up for me and after following all the fix suggestions in the Tech forum for the spells_us.txt thread I still cant get pasts the character select screen. I just get a link that takes me to a page that I do not have permission to view..
Same here. I have loaded the patch four times already and still the same message on the player screen.
galach
01-20-2020, 12:36 PM
Make sure you are downloading the new files & extracting it to your project 1999 install location. White list the dsetup.dll since it might be getting deleted from a false anti virus flag.
Skinnah
01-20-2020, 12:42 PM
We've been spread out for a while now, logging on last night and seeing all the old faces showed me that were all still very interested in playing there... Maybe this was all part of their plan. Lol
Hahah if so it would be brilliant! ive honestly thought about coming back to red myself, that or just re rolling a priest class, shammy or cleric! I cant choose lol:eek:
BrownBee88
01-20-2020, 12:54 PM
Hey I logged on today after the merge and my Characters are no longer available, 35 Bard and 16 Mage, I did extract Patch Files and Copied and Paste in my EQ folder... Please contact me via EMAIL will helpful advise thank you
Skinnah
01-20-2020, 12:56 PM
Hey I logged on today after the merge and my Characters are no longer available, 35 Bard and 16 Mage, I did extract Patch Files and Copied and Paste in my EQ folder... Please contact me via EMAIL will helpful advise thank you
is it just a bunch of characters you made to save names? if so delete some and they will eventually pop up, hope this helps you!
VerdicAysen
01-20-2020, 12:57 PM
If this were reddit i'd give you fucking Platinum. Spot on. 100% true. And excellent advice.
The server works brilliantly as a nostalgia fix and gaming museum, especially with good friends...
Most healthy people, even the biggest history/art nerds don't try to turn their favourite trip down memory lane into some kinda obsession with all waking hours at their favourite museum in the world. The ones that do fall in love with a particular museum and are decently well adjusted individuals may get a job or volunteer there. In many other cases, they will turn their passion into many different facets of their life but still have a life outside their favourite museum or style of art/architecture, time in history etc.
There are many ways to have to have Everquest and P99 as part of a well-balanced and healthy diet of life activities, heck even among many games wirh friends if y'all just love video games or have an addiction or intense love of games like I sometimes do.
Enjoy and love P99 as the nostalgia gaming museum it is, don't take the peer pressure from the unhealthy shut-ins in some of the high end guilds and let them convert you into one of them.
BrownBee88
01-20-2020, 01:04 PM
Hey no I have one MAIN BARD lvl 35 and one ALT MAGE lvl 16, after logging in and choosing Green Server, which is the only server ive been on, comes the screen asking to create character and all slots are New Character, confused and hoping to resolve this issue......
BrownBee88
01-20-2020, 01:16 PM
Just Re-copied and Paste the New P53 Patch files and for some reason worked... Characters Restored Thanks..
Skinnah
01-20-2020, 01:17 PM
Hey no I have one MAIN BARD lvl 35 and one ALT MAGE lvl 16, after logging in and choosing Green Server, which is the only server ive been on, comes the screen asking to create character and all slots are New Character, confused and hoping to resolve this issue......
Im sorry to hear that, I would certainly contact support for this issue. theres a section on the forums for things like this, hope you get it figured out.
raptorixx
01-20-2020, 03:36 PM
The merge was a really really bad decision..... overcamped everywhere, lists has been ridiculus 4 days camp for ie manastone.
Feels like release again...
Our group that plays together now lacks motivation to log in :(
BenDerisgreat
01-20-2020, 04:11 PM
Im really, really hoping that the powers that be are going to take this feedback into consideration and do something other than let numbers dwindle down because of how awful everything is. Its better to separate the community into two servers until more content is released; than to alienate half of the community because they lose interest in the current state of things.
Axlrose
01-20-2020, 05:25 PM
Perhaps the powers to be should allow people on Green to (one way) transfer to Blue. Granted, you would miss out on the new events as they roll out through Green, but if you have enough willpower to avoid the expansion areas, the planes, the tunnel, etc., until they are officially released while intentionally restricting yourself to certain items and spells, at least you and your group can still camp areas in the old world without too much crowding.
Just a thought.
agentsi1511
01-20-2020, 08:02 PM
It doesn't appear the staff cares much about how this ruined the experience for hundreds of players. It seems a bit of a case of the staff being megalomaniacs. Start a server so people can play, implement ideas and guidelines for folks to be nice and play well together while enjoying the EQ experience. Then out of nowhere, turn things on its head without warning, or time to prepare. Creating a new environment where getting things done is close to impossible. XP zones over camped. List mobs with waiting list days deep full of people. And more than likely, the staff will never acknowledge they may have acted too hastily or in a disrespectful manner to the community they claim to serve.
eurekaent
01-20-2020, 09:56 PM
Thank you for the patch.
Thank you for the merger.
We didn't expect it so soon.
But we also didn't expect to have such an amazing experience.
Without the hard work of you devs I'd be miserably playing some wonky ass game(s).
But instead I'm exploring my old Norrath.
Thank you for the countless hours you spent recreating and setting the stage for a classic experience.
Thank you for bringing back East Commonlands as our market hub.
Thank you for revamping the boat system.
Thank you for making porters relevant again.
Thank you for balancing the game and creating another server to keep things level.
Thank you for promising a classic progressive experience that will take years.
Thank you for sacrificing family and personal life and doing this for free.
Thank you for being the true fans of Classic EverQuest.
To our wonderful devs, we /salute you.
/thank
PS: Nothing will ever be perfect. You will NEVER please us all. But the Norrath I explore with friends today, is more challenging and adventurous than I could ever fathom. Take the criticism, advice, and compliments but NEVER get discouraged. We truly support you and understand that EQ Classic would be dead without you.
Rader
01-21-2020, 12:06 AM
drama aside, it doesnt mean he is wrong about it being a bad decision
i say this only because i dont see any benefits to it and i see only negatives and you did it without warning or explaination
i can see where he is coming from tbh, but again, feelings are one thing and the decision being good or bad is another is what im trying to say
Thank you staff and devs
Do not take the sniveling too hard
I understand why the servers were merged, Green was supposed to be one server and the combined population is now what is was expected to be from the get go
greenspectre
01-21-2020, 12:45 AM
I'm only annoyed that I have to reset all my UI boxes, so just a minor annoyance.
Easy fix here, you just find the UI files with your CharacternameTeal and change it to CharacternameGreen! :)
Asteria
01-21-2020, 02:25 AM
Im really, really hoping that the powers that be are going to take this feedback into consideration and do something other than let numbers dwindle down because of how awful everything is. Its better to separate the community into two servers until more content is released; than to alienate half of the community because they lose interest in the current state of things.
Is the entirety of Kerra Isle, Toxxulia Forest, Erud's crossing, Qeynos Hills, QCats, WK, NK, EK, Gorge, Runnyeye, Splitpaw, Lake Rathe, Rathe Mountains, Feerrott, Temple of Cazic Thule, Highpass, Misty, Kithicor Forest, Commonlands, Befallen, Nektulos, North Ro, South Ro, Innothule swamp, Oasis, Lavastorm, Najena, Ocean of Tears, Butcherblock Mountains, Greater Faydark, Lesser Faydark, Dagnor's Cauldron, Unrest, Kedge Keep, Mistmoore, Steamfont Mountains - Were the entirety of these zones camped when you decided to give up? That list doen't even include all the cities with guards that are worth good exp and money drops.
Your point is kinda moot because never even 1/3 of all the mobs and camps in these zones are ever all taken on Green99(merged). Go on adventures(quests) and you'll find there are many many places you can have some fun and still gain pixels (exp and money).
Dolalin
01-21-2020, 02:28 AM
Classic ZEMs have been researched and acknowledged. I wonder if they're now in and people just haven't realized yet? I'd laugh so hard. :D
hagglebaby
01-21-2020, 02:30 AM
Apologies if this has already been answered but I have been looking around for a few hours. Roughly when can we expect the fear patch?
Thanks!
Tethler
01-21-2020, 06:12 AM
Apologies if this has already been answered but I have been looking around for a few hours. Roughly when can we expect the fear patch?
Thanks!
February is my understanding
loramin
01-21-2020, 11:37 AM
Classic ZEMs have been researched and acknowledged. I wonder if they're now in and people just haven't realized yet? I'd laugh so hard. :D
Again, I appreciate what you've done, but you seem to forget that for at least half a decade ZEMs have been unclassic here, and the thousands of players that have been here before you have known that to be true. People aren't dumb and worth being laughed at just because something was true for five years and they didn't get the memo it changed.
tkelly5
01-21-2020, 12:46 PM
Everything has been so overcamped as is on Teal... why make this worse? I literally spent three hours last night going to every dungeon in the game at lvl 20-30 to find a spot for us to hunt(3 of us), and literally nothing was open within our range. Nobody was LFM. They had most camps being camped by higher levels for little to no xp. Now we're all gonna get stuck fighting over static spawns in the Karanas. This is such bull***t.
Lol bullshit. You mean you went to the same 3 dungeons everyone else goes to and then decided to cry because you refused to go anywhere new. I guarantee you didn't look into going into splitpaw or runnyeye or najena. You went to mistmoore and highkeep and *maybe* unrest, and then decided to cry.
tkelly5
01-21-2020, 01:11 PM
Nobody has answered this question.. Do people really think 1 server can handle 1.5k people on classic (no planes even yet) without serious congestion (thus fighting over spawns/camps)? The 2 servers at 600+ had issues with overcrowding at times, workable but still crowded. There is just no way 1 server can handle this many people IMHO especially late levels. There is just not room to spread out. This makes no sense logistically that I can see. I'd be curious for Rogean to at least explain the thinking, we might not agree, but at least might have better understanding.
There were no overcrowding issues with 600 people, and there won't be any with 1.5k.
The issue isn't 'there aren't enough zones to go to'. That's just stupid if you think that.
The issue is that every idiot and their mother wants to go to the same 3 zones for any given 10-15 levels. This is how you end up with 40 people in mistmoore while permafrost is completely empty.
There is *plenty* of room for 1.5k people on the server, as-is. However, those people have to be smart enough to not all try to go to the same 10 or 12 zones.
Philistine
01-21-2020, 01:32 PM
I'm sure the reactions on this will be mixed, but thank you for creating such an awesome gaming experience! It's your game. If you want to merge the servers you should be able to do so. Personally, I think the merge is a great idea.
Buellen
01-21-2020, 07:19 PM
All three of you who responded to my thread
Let me ask you
1) are you still playing on green ?
2) if not then i wish you the best on whatever server you ended up On.
Did everyone wailing and gnashing and crying the "the sky is falling !!! the sky is falling!" did it change the devs mind ?
OK I hope everyone has got it out of their system and continues to have a good time on green for those that stayed.
Hope to see you all on green.
Nathaniel
01-22-2020, 05:03 AM
...
Then out of nowhere, turn things on its head without warning
...
We will be keeping an eye on player numbers and merge Teal back into Green as soon as the combined population is appropriate for the current content, whether that be in weeks, months, or years.
It was stated very clearly from the first announcement that the servers would eventually be merged back togehter. So it was not from "out of nowhere" or "without warning".
Gustoo
01-22-2020, 03:50 PM
Lol yeah remember when it said teal was a temporary server for temporarily dealing with temporary population problems competing for low level mobs?
Glad to see the merge and the robust population.
theonesler
01-22-2020, 04:03 PM
Thanks for the quake!
Amyas
01-25-2020, 12:35 PM
I keep getting the missing spell file error, this happened once before but I can not recall what I did to fix it.
Neonseraphim
01-25-2020, 12:39 PM
Hey I guess I should say thanks. Since day after merge I have not been playing EQ because not being able to get a group and list being too long for manastone, I decided instead to spend time with my daughter taking her to places and we have been having a blast. Guess that was what I really needed. Thanks and bye!
Philistine
01-25-2020, 12:52 PM
I keep getting the missing spell file error, this happened once before but I can not recall what I did to fix it.
I think that means you don't have the latest update.
Onward
01-26-2020, 12:03 PM
Jesus Lord. Some of the folks that have posted on this thread make it beyond impressive to believe that they are in-fact a human being. Given that EQ's addiction is an escape from reality, into an immersion of digital status/reputation, driven by the value of digital items, I can understand the lure of having some nice items per say. Yet there's a few things that I do not understand, maybe some of ya'll can help me out.
1- I think the point for Green was a classic experience. The experience, not a gift to the creepshows who saw it as an opportunity to collect as many nerfed items on the timeline as possible to turn a profit.
2- Is your goal to sell on Blue when/ if it merges? If so, your whiney comments reveal the fact that you are the taint in the experience. How much do you think those items will be worth in the end? Will having the ability to link the item in chat or being inspected at the tunnel honestly make you feel good about yourself and the choices you made to obtain them? Will it really?
3- Did you post on nearly every page of this, ranting and raving that the decision grieved you or on account of it, you and 'others' now don't feel like playing? Do ya actually believe people can't read what you're tryin to do there?
4- You are lucky the devs are running this with the same governance that you're apparently used to IRL, drawing resources from the community, maybe even people who still feel obligated to support you or maybe even care about you, somehow. Have you ever considered treating others in the same manner or giving a thing back?
5- You aren't owed anything and despite the disrespect to the very lifeline that provides for you and it's target community, you are still allowed to log into the game. Probably do some hard thinking on that.
Quigly4000
01-26-2020, 03:06 PM
I haven't ranted at all in this thread. But my brother and I both logged in a couple times since the merge and haven't logged in since due to the crowding. Just our 2 cents. Don't expect it to change, but it was a much more enjoyable population prior to the merge.
bakes82
01-30-2020, 01:18 PM
Was there a post someplace that said patches would come out on Fridays? Is fear suppose to be out this friday? Why dont the GMs say anything?
Nomadic Plainswalker
01-30-2020, 10:00 PM
Was there a post someplace that said patches would come out on Fridays? Is fear suppose to be out this friday? Why dont the GMs say anything?
All the recent patches have been on Sundays so I would assume the next one will be too. Hopefully this Sunday, but they don't seem to publicize the dates. (Which is fine by me as its all done for our benefit with no compensation for who knows how many hours of work these guys put in on this).
chaosegg
02-02-2020, 07:39 PM
Merging Green & Teal... while causing some temporary aches & pains, I think does make sense.
However, I'm not here to talk about that issue. I'm here to post about the ONLY issue I have with p99.
An issue that I think might be aided by some amount of server-machinations.
"What issue could our amazing, top-10-online-gaming-communities-ever, filled with cool folks who are welcoming,
awesome, skilled, knowledgable, fun,
hard-working, brilliant, kind, generous and super great community
POSSIBLY have to encourage someone to write a virtual 'wall-of-text' (see below)?!?"
-You might say... well, I'm glad you asked. :D
The one issue which stops me from donating 'cold hard cash' to the p99 community.
The thing that, for me personally, drastically reduces the amount of time I play p99 each year.
That #1 issue, my one & only problem with this game-server is:*drumroll*
~
>>>>>>>Immersion-breaking<<<,<<<<
~
*whamp-whump*
mostly via violations of the naming policy (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488) (which is a fantastic policy, in my opinion).
Those times the naming rules (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488) are broken, or, less immediate but related;
when the immersion-enhancing-spirit-of-the-naming-policy (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488) is consistently damaged,
the vast majority of violations seem to be ignored and/or mostly unenforced.
Granted, role-playing (or lack there of) is a tiny- minor-issue by comparison to,
for example, being forced to see people using their names as basically a bio,
title, or quote space... instead of an actual NAME.
However.
I understand the difficulties involved, and why things are the way they are,
I'm not just here to complain (again) about the status quo, as it were,
or to point out, again, how having unenforced/unenforceable rules (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488) weakens the entire system;
encouraging worse behavior in all manner of ways...
I'm here to suggest a solution to the issue (the new servers gave me the idea).
Two servers.
One server continues as in the past; e.g. "p99 green"
and the other something like a server labeled RolePlaying; e.g. p99 purple(RP)"
one which does not accept names which violate the current [most excellent] naming policy (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488)
that is currently [supposed to be] in place (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488).
The way the p1999 era of EQ is, there just are not many, or any,
good outlets for people to customize their characters in silly, humorous or other ways
(like having a title, easily changeable faction/guild name(s) etc,
so it's understandable why people, generally unaware of the naming policy's existance (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488)...
well, I could go on at great length along those lines (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488), so I'll try to keep it brief;
On an RP server, we-who-value-immersion-above-most-other-things, wouldn't be:
forced to endure metaphorical 'piranha bites' of reality, 'stinking clouds' of fart-jokes, or mental 'static-shocks' whenever we come across a player with a
"particularly clever joke/phrase" in their name... (or pile of corpses);
names related to modern things/concepts/pop-culture, phrases/sentences, badly spelled versions of whatever.
I'm sure most folks have good intentions when coming up with such names, and I know there is a valid place for humor in gaming, [multi-player & otherwise]...
however;
To put it another way: one of the key ingredients in any good, successful, social interaction/transaction,
is to try & make sure, from the start, that expectations are properly set up, communicated, agreed upon etc. and then that they are maintained,
or at least, if changed, then changed slowly, carefully, and/or openly.
Setting the right expectations can easily prevent 95%+ of issues, drama etc that could, can, and will arise.
Another metaphor might be:
when you begin a 'pen & paper RPG' with a group of people;
you set the expectations from the start and you don't change them without warning.
For example; if it's a 'beer & pretzels'-style campaign, where pop-culture references, random jokes, and/or meta-gaming are fine b/c
then everyone knew that when going into it, so the immersion, shock & any offense/annoyance is minimized.
On the other hand, if there was an up-front declaration of "this is immersive RPG, serious-gaming campaign" ...
(which is what the current Project 1999 naming policy comes across as)...
and then you are constantly seeing people with phrases for names and/or other worse examples
(i have a folder with hundreds of screenshots, but bards and healers tend to be some of the most innocuous, (which means innocent/least harmful just f.y.i.,) yet common violators).
Anyway, maybe I should start my own thread with this, and I had originally planned to do just that,
but I couldn't decide what forum it would best serve to get the most attention in,
so for now I'll leave you all here with my TLDR;
rant about people with annoying names.
Thanks for reading! <3 smoochies
reznor_
02-02-2020, 07:57 PM
Merging Green & Teal... while causing some temporary aches & pains, I think does make sense.
However, I'm not here to talk about that issue. I'm here to post about the ONLY issue I have with p99.
An issue that I think might be aided by some amount of server-machinations.
"What issue could our amazing, top-10-online-gaming-communities-ever, filled with cool folks who are welcoming,
awesome, skilled, knowledgable, fun,
hard-working, brilliant, kind, generous and super great community
POSSIBLY have to encourage someone to write a virtual 'wall-of-text' (see below)?!?"
-You might say... well, I'm glad you asked. :D
The one issue which stops me from donating 'cold hard cash' to the p99 community.
The thing that, for me personally, drastically reduces the amount of time I play p99 each year.
That #1 issue, my one & only problem with this game-server is:*drumroll*
~
>>>>>>>Immersion-breaking<<<,<<<<
~
*whamp-whump*
mostly via violations of the naming policy (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488) (which is a fantastic policy, in my opinion).
Those times the naming rules (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488) are broken, or, less immediate but related;
when the immersion-enhancing-spirit-of-the-naming-policy (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488) is consistently damaged,
the vast majority of violations seem to be ignored and/or mostly unenforced.
Granted, role-playing (or lack there of) is a tiny- minor-issue by comparison to,
for example, being forced to see people using their names as basically a bio,
title, or quote space... instead of an actual NAME.
However.
I understand the difficulties involved, and why things are the way they are,
I'm not just here to complain (again) about the status quo, as it were,
or to point out, again, how having unenforced/unenforceable rules (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488) weakens the entire system;
encouraging worse behavior in all manner of ways...
I'm here to suggest a solution to the issue (the new servers gave me the idea).
Two servers.
One server continues as in the past; e.g. "p99 green"
and the other something like a server labeled RolePlaying; e.g. p99 purple(RP)"
one which does not accept names which violate the current [most excellent] naming policy (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488)
that is currently [supposed to be] in place (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488).
The way the p1999 era of EQ is, there just are not many, or any,
good outlets for people to customize their characters in silly, humorous or other ways
(like having a title, easily changeable faction/guild name(s) etc,
so it's understandable why people, generally unaware of the naming policy's existance (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488)...
well, I could go on at great length along those lines (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488), so I'll try to keep it brief;
On an RP server, we-who-value-immersion-above-most-other-things, wouldn't be:
forced to endure metaphorical 'piranha bites' of reality, 'stinking clouds' of fart-jokes, or mental 'static-shocks' whenever we come across a player with a
"particularly clever joke/phrase" in their name... (or pile of corpses);
names related to modern things/concepts/pop-culture, phrases/sentences, badly spelled versions of whatever.
I'm sure most folks have good intentions when coming up with such names, and I know there is a valid place for humor in gaming, [multi-player & otherwise]...
however;
To put it another way: one of the key ingredients in any good, successful, social interaction/transaction,
is to try & make sure, from the start, that expectations are properly set up, communicated, agreed upon etc. and then that they are maintained,
or at least, if changed, then changed slowly, carefully, and/or openly.
Setting the right expectations can easily prevent 95%+ of issues, drama etc that could, can, and will arise.
Another metaphor might be:
when you begin a 'pen & paper RPG' with a group of people;
you set the expectations from the start and you don't change them without warning.
For example; if it's a 'beer & pretzels'-style campaign, where pop-culture references, random jokes, and/or meta-gaming are fine b/c
then everyone knew that when going into it, so the immersion, shock & any offense/annoyance is minimized.
On the other hand, if there was an up-front declaration of "this is immersive RPG, serious-gaming campaign" ...
(which is what the current Project 1999 naming policy comes across as)...
and then you are constantly seeing people with phrases for names and/or other worse examples
(i have a folder with hundreds of screenshots, but bards and healers tend to be some of the most innocuous, (which means innocent/least harmful just f.y.i.,) yet common violators).
Anyway, maybe I should start my own thread with this, and I had originally planned to do just that,
but I couldn't decide what forum it would best serve to get the most attention in,
so for now I'll leave you all here with my TLDR;
rant about people with annoying names.
Thanks for reading! <3 smoochies
Yikes.
Canelek
02-03-2020, 06:35 PM
Yowza
yisoo
02-04-2020, 10:53 PM
I got everything I wanted. Not what you'd think, You wouldn't wonder why you're here. But it felt like…
Asteria
02-05-2020, 07:51 AM
Fair points above, but you could always form or seek to form an RP guild on blue, green, or red server. It might not be easy, but it's possible on at least 2 with alot of dedication.
Tecmos Deception
02-05-2020, 03:34 PM
Merging Green & Teal... while causing some temporary aches & pains, I think does make sense.
However, I'm not here to talk about that issue. I'm here to post about the ONLY issue I have with p99.
An issue that I think might be aided by some amount of server-machinations.
"What issue could our amazing, top-10-online-gaming-communities-ever, filled with cool folks who are welcoming,
awesome, skilled, knowledgable, fun,
hard-working, brilliant, kind, generous and super great community
POSSIBLY have to encourage someone to write a virtual 'wall-of-text' (see below)?!?"
-You might say... well, I'm glad you asked. :D
The one issue which stops me from donating 'cold hard cash' to the p99 community.
The thing that, for me personally, drastically reduces the amount of time I play p99 each year.
That #1 issue, my one & only problem with this game-server is:*drumroll*
~
>>>>>>>Immersion-breaking<<<,<<<<
~
*whamp-whump*
mostly via violations of the naming policy (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488) (which is a fantastic policy, in my opinion).
Those times the naming rules (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488) are broken, or, less immediate but related;
when the immersion-enhancing-spirit-of-the-naming-policy (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488) is consistently damaged,
the vast majority of violations seem to be ignored and/or mostly unenforced.
Granted, role-playing (or lack there of) is a tiny- minor-issue by comparison to,
for example, being forced to see people using their names as basically a bio,
title, or quote space... instead of an actual NAME.
However.
I understand the difficulties involved, and why things are the way they are,
I'm not just here to complain (again) about the status quo, as it were,
or to point out, again, how having unenforced/unenforceable rules (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488) weakens the entire system;
encouraging worse behavior in all manner of ways...
I'm here to suggest a solution to the issue (the new servers gave me the idea).
Two servers.
One server continues as in the past; e.g. "p99 green"
and the other something like a server labeled RolePlaying; e.g. p99 purple(RP)"
one which does not accept names which violate the current [most excellent] naming policy (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488)
that is currently [supposed to be] in place (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488).
The way the p1999 era of EQ is, there just are not many, or any,
good outlets for people to customize their characters in silly, humorous or other ways
(like having a title, easily changeable faction/guild name(s) etc,
so it's understandable why people, generally unaware of the naming policy's existance (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488)...
well, I could go on at great length along those lines (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17488), so I'll try to keep it brief;
On an RP server, we-who-value-immersion-above-most-other-things, wouldn't be:
forced to endure metaphorical 'piranha bites' of reality, 'stinking clouds' of fart-jokes, or mental 'static-shocks' whenever we come across a player with a
"particularly clever joke/phrase" in their name... (or pile of corpses);
names related to modern things/concepts/pop-culture, phrases/sentences, badly spelled versions of whatever.
I'm sure most folks have good intentions when coming up with such names, and I know there is a valid place for humor in gaming, [multi-player & otherwise]...
however;
To put it another way: one of the key ingredients in any good, successful, social interaction/transaction,
is to try & make sure, from the start, that expectations are properly set up, communicated, agreed upon etc. and then that they are maintained,
or at least, if changed, then changed slowly, carefully, and/or openly.
Setting the right expectations can easily prevent 95%+ of issues, drama etc that could, can, and will arise.
Another metaphor might be:
when you begin a 'pen & paper RPG' with a group of people;
you set the expectations from the start and you don't change them without warning.
For example; if it's a 'beer & pretzels'-style campaign, where pop-culture references, random jokes, and/or meta-gaming are fine b/c
then everyone knew that when going into it, so the immersion, shock & any offense/annoyance is minimized.
On the other hand, if there was an up-front declaration of "this is immersive RPG, serious-gaming campaign" ...
(which is what the current Project 1999 naming policy comes across as)...
and then you are constantly seeing people with phrases for names and/or other worse examples
(i have a folder with hundreds of screenshots, but bards and healers tend to be some of the most innocuous, (which means innocent/least harmful just f.y.i.,) yet common violators).
Anyway, maybe I should start my own thread with this, and I had originally planned to do just that,
but I couldn't decide what forum it would best serve to get the most attention in,
so for now I'll leave you all here with my TLDR;
rant about people with annoying names.
Thanks for reading! <3 smoochies
Holy fucking shit.
BlackBellamy
02-08-2020, 11:06 PM
Holy fucking shit.
no you listen to me
your reply was lazy
it broke my immersion
i need two forums one for regular people who communicate in full sentences
and one for people like you
and that other guy
before you
fastboy21
02-18-2020, 12:35 PM
I thought unrest was too full before, now with teal merge its gonna be a nightmare D:
EQ is meant to be a nightmare...especially in unrest. If it weren't one there would be something wrong with the game.
kingpinner
02-19-2020, 09:49 AM
Not sure if mentioned yet but according to patch notes, it says Insight and Brillance will now stack with charisma buffs. It still does not.
Oberschnauzer
02-19-2020, 10:03 PM
hi
BloodMilkSky
04-05-2020, 01:22 PM
Can we get a fix on brilliance/Insight not stacking with Charisma buffs pwease
Choklar
04-26-2020, 01:16 AM
I know they had their reasons for merging green/teal. Unfortunately, it seems to be bad timing with Covid-19 making us all stay in and play more eq. Something most didn't see as an issue back in January. Servers so stuffed these days! Still having a lot of fun though!
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