Who has the HS / Chancellor camp?

[ElanoraBryght]

No one.

Upon GM intervention of yet another camp petition, the camp is now recommended by GM's to be a First In, First Out.

No more getting added to list and going to exp til it's your turn. No "I'll be there next Saturday at 5am". Show up at the camp, stay at the camp, kill and loot in order arrived. If some guild wants to line 17 members up along the wall and have those 17 members all stay logged on until it's their turn, more power to them.

[Wed Apr 27 09:50:39 2011] Amelinda says, 'here is my suggestion:'
[Wed Apr 27 09:50:50 2011] Amelinda says, 'if it were me. I would start a 6 man group'
[Wed Apr 27 09:50:55 2011] Amelinda says, 'of everyone here now'
[Wed Apr 27 09:51:34 2011] Amelinda says, 'because here is the mechanics'
[Wed Apr 27 09:51:43 2011] Amelinda says, 'Player A is camping chancellor'
[Wed Apr 27 09:52:00 2011] Amelinda says, 'Guildy tells Player A "Tell me when it's my turn"'
[Wed Apr 27 09:52:27 2011] Amelinda says, 'non-guilded person shows up and helps kill greens and hangs out'
[Wed Apr 27 09:52:37 2011] Amelinda says, 'the next person with a "Right" to the camp is the non-guilded person'
[Wed Apr 27 09:52:41 2011] Amelinda says, 'because they WAITED and were here.'
[Wed Apr 27 09:53:01 2011] Amelinda says, 'it's a HUGE time suck and it's not the funnest and it doesn't key your guild as fast'
[Wed Apr 27 09:53:03 2011] Amelinda says, 'BUT it's fair'
[Wed Apr 27 09:53:28 2011] Amelinda says, 'kinda like in kindergarten when TOmmy has that really cool motorized truck..if sally sits and watis her turn - it's not fair for him to walk over and hand it to Bobby.'
[Wed Apr 27 09:54:17 2011] Uthgaard says, 'let me put it to you this way'
[Wed Apr 27 09:54:25 2011] Uthgaard says, 'how long have you been waiting for your reimbursement?'
[Wed Apr 27 09:55:23 2011] Uthgaard says, 'it will take a lot less time if people resolve things themselves'
[Wed Apr 27 09:55:30 2011] Uthgaard says, 'instead of asking us to come babysit every damned dispute'
[Wed Apr 27 09:57:51 2011] Amelinda says, 'just to give you an idea of how much time i've invested in this - i got out of bed at 7:15 - - I've invested 1:45 in this
[Wed Apr 27 09:57:57 2011] Amelinda says, 'and Uthgaard has even more time in it.'
[Wed Apr 27 10:02:00 2011] Amelinda says, 'well.... i can tell you how it will probably go if there is griefing.'
[Wed Apr 27 10:04:49 2011] Amelinda says, 'i can't speak for anyone else. but if i have to come back because of whining i'm probably gonna kick out whoever it is trying to go against the FIFO rule "First in, first out"'

[ElanoraBryght]

Before this becomes a rant on P99 camp rules - I posted this here to try to prevent more drama over this camp, not cause more.

Flame at your own risk.

[Shiftin]

good times.

If this is precedent instead of a 1 off rule for only 1 camp, this thread may need updating to avoid confusion..

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653

[muffins]

pretty funny how they enforce this rule now after i get the camp for my guild

[Dr4z3r]

[Wed Apr 27 09:50:39 2011] Amelinda says, 'here is my suggestion:'

suggestion

[Shiftin]

When you state you are going to remove people not following your suggestion, it ceases to be a suggestion.

This isn't a flame. More than a couple epics have bottleneck camps like this (the cleric epic arguably has 3). If there is a shift in the posted rules, it would be helpful to know that so that people can plan appropriately and that knowledge can propagate to the large portion of the server that doesn't camp these boards, etc.

[xshayla701]

DAMN TMO JERKS

[Dr4z3r]

But if another Guide responds, there's no reason to assume the rules won't go right back to the Camps, Defined thread.

Clarification: Necessary.

Rigid Adherence to FIFO: Unclear.

[Rais]

I'll reserve this spot.
In before shiftin brings up trakanon 3 day spawn.
In before tin foil hat people claim this only took effect after TR got all their keys.

[Amelinda]

But if another Guide responds, there's no reason to assume the rules won't go right back to the Camps, Defined thread.

Clarification: Necessary.

Rigid Adherence to FIFO: Unclear.

Sure sure :) feel free to petition and blow up the petition queue disputing this particular camp...

Because that's gonna make my day and i'll bring you flowers when you do :)
:eek:

[Vendar]

a GM can't force you to group with players you don't want to group with.

that said, if im at a camp and someone i dont know shows up, i simply explain to them that i am indeed camping the spot and to return later, or i can send them a tell when i leave. now if before i leave a buddy shows up i can choose to invite that buddy to dou the camp with me. if i should have to leave my buddy, then he will always have the choice of soloing the camp or inviting the next person waiting in line, but he doesn't have to leave just because i'm leaving, thats retarded.

i love you GMs but please do not reward the WoW kids that demand they get everything they want exactly when they want it.

[Lazortag]

This new rule, if it is indeed a new rule, is extremely silly as has been pointed out in the recent 20 page thread concerning this (I'm not going to copy+paste all of my arguments against it, but I mention a few of them below). I also think this new rule would just cause more work for the GM's, since now they have to verify the order in which people arrived at the camp. After all, disputes over the HS key camps have occurred over even smaller issues.

Amelinda, I respect you and all, but if someone is waiting a long time at the camp while another guild has it, then that's their own fault. All they have to do is just ask the guild in question when (approximately) they're going to let go of the camp, so they don't have to waste so much time. If someone is waiting around while another guild holds it, then it's actually that person who's being a jerk, since the only reason they could be waiting is so that they can pounce on the camp if the people camping it go linkdead or afk or something. There's really no other rational reason they would just stay at the camp forever while someone else is claiming it.

Like I've said before, one big part of eq is forming relationships of trust with lots of people, so obviously being in an association like a guild is going to benefit you, while people like Chtulu (nothing against you, just the best example I could come up with) who get kicked out of every guild they're in won't have the benefit of relatively easy access to these camps (and when I say relatively easy, I really do mean RELATIVELY - I still waited 12 hours for my prod when my guild was holding the camp). I don't like how Amelinda's suggestion trivializes this aspect of the game.

I hope this came across as constructive. I'll respect whatever rules the GM's come up with, I just think this suggestion is a bad one.

[Uthgaard]

Don't nitpick it or attempt to paint the decision with broad strokes and apply it to other camps. Since we have been forced to spend 6 hours in the past 2 days dealing with the infantile drama at that camp, it's simplified so people can't try to weasel gray areas and expect us to come sort it out for them.

It's not a raid target. It's not a group encounter. It's a single mob that can be soloed by anyone wanting it. If you want it, get in line yourself and wait, or buy it from someone else. But you won't be holding it for anyone or 'passing it off' to people anymore.

And this is the last time any staff member is spending on this camp today. You will not monopolize our time with this childish crap.

If you want to discuss faults and point fingers, point them in a mirror for constantly dragging us into things you can't resolve yourselves. There are an immense amount of more important issues needing handled, that will not be delayed with these selfish antics any longer.