The Affordable Twink

[Drannorius]

I have just recently returned to the MMORPG world after many years away. I was playing EQ back within the first month of release and was a dedicated dabbler. I did many characters but never got to end game or had too much equipment.

I mention that because the process is repeating itself. I rolled my first toon on Green and have done okay. It is a caster class though and I am finding myself wanting to do melee.

I appreciate how I should play it fresh but I feel the first part is the same for all classes. As a result i M okay with giving my alternate a little bit of a leg up though not making it as much of a walk through the park as some have it. I also don't have the coin to accomplish this. I also don't want to go the quest powerlevelling route as I want a feel for the mechanics.

I have decided to go Rogue as it is also very group dependent and I want to force myself to do thst more as I want to get to know more people in game. As a result i am looking for advice on affordable twink gear for a Rogue. I have seen all the "best in slot" material but that suggests deep pockets that I do not have.

I am going to buy a full set of banded but other than that I am not sure what to go with. I sm looking to get the most bang for my buck with a frugal budget. Any suggestions are appreciated.

[Cen]

Rogue (also monk) are really great bang for your bucks on budget gear. Youre gonna be happy with it.

Banded was a great start. I only suggest now the best weapons you can afford and some platinum fire wedding rings which just shot down in price. Find someone selling two for less than 500 for the pair.

[Baler]

Rogue...
1. the best weapons you can get
2. +STR gear
3. resist/hp gear
4. clickies pegi-cloak, ot hammer, wc cap, jboots
5. potions (cure poison, cure disease, G.Null, Wort pot)
6. when you've covered 1-5 do tradeskills
7. toys
8. fashionquest

[Drannorius]

Rogue (also monk) are really great bang for your bucks on budget gear. Youre gonna be happy with it.

Banded was a great start. I only suggest now the best weapons you can afford and some platinum fire wedding rings which just shot down in price. Find someone selling two for less than 500 for the pair.

Great idea on the rings. I was able to get a Serrated Bone Dirk for 70p. Any advice on good inexpensive items for the ears? Would you go hp or str or is there an affordable option with both? Also as i make some coin with the Rogue what would you suggest as swap out bargin pieces for the banded armor?

[Snortles Chortles]

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[Drannorius]

I think I have the best budget weapon as I got a Serrated Bone Dirk. For the early levels would you focus on Str over HP items? I was leaning towards the latter to limit downtime as much as possible.

[Baler]

Any advice on good inexpensive items for the ears?

30-40p STR: +3
https://wiki.project1999.com/Golden_Amber_Earring

75-100p STR: +3 HP: +12
https://wiki.project1999.com/Diamondine_Earring

For the early levels would you focus on Str over HP items? I was leaning towards the latter to limit downtime as much as possible.
Rogues always need STR for more damage, that and ATK. Resists and HP should only be a concern when you start dealing with mobs that AOE. A tank should be taking the brunt of the damage.

Serrated bone dirk is ok but in classic without a hybrid tank casting agro or a warrior with dex+proc weapons proc agroing. You may steal agro and get hurt or killed.
A cheap but less damage solution is often https://wiki.project1999.com/Dragoon_Dirk
In classic you'll want to save up for one of these https://wiki.project1999.com/Polished_Steel_Dirk
it has no proc.

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you can find some item inspiration here
https://wiki.project1999.com/Special:Magelo/ClassSearchGreen/Rogue
https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Rogue_Equipment

[Drannorius]

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Thanks for the input. I have to say that if you are going to be kissed by another man, and that is not your thing, one could do alot worse than getting kissed by Aragorn or a king.

[Baler]

Thanks for the input. I have to say that if you are going to be kissed by another man, and that is not your thing, one could do alot worse than getting kissed by Aragorn or a king.

Please don't feed the trolls

[ldgo86]

30-40p STR: +3
https://wiki.project1999.com/Golden_Amber_Earring

75-100p STR: +3 HP: +12
https://wiki.project1999.com/Diamondine_Earring


Rogues always need STR for more damage, that and ATK. Resists and HP should only be a concern when you start dealing with mobs that AOE. A tank should be taking the brunt of the damage.

Serrated bone dirk is ok but in classic without a hybrid tank casting agro or a warrior with dex+proc weapons proc agroing. You may steal agro and get hurt or killed.
A cheap but less damage solution is often https://wiki.project1999.com/Dragoon_Dirk
In classic you'll want to save up for one of these https://wiki.project1999.com/Polished_Steel_Dirk
it has no proc.

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you can find some item inspiration here
https://wiki.project1999.com/Special:Magelo/ClassSearchGreen/Rogue
https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Rogue_Equipment

SBD is excellent pre-27. No one would actually use it past then. By 27 a rogue should have enough for a harpoon and polished bone dirk.

[Drannorius]

30-40p STR: +3
https://wiki.project1999.com/Golden_Amber_Earring

75-100p STR: +3 HP: +12
https://wiki.project1999.com/Diamondine_Earring


Rogues always need STR for more damage, that and ATK. Resists and HP should only be a concern when you start dealing with mobs that AOE. A tank should be taking the brunt of the damage.

Serrated bone dirk is ok but in classic without a hybrid tank casting agro or a warrior with dex+proc weapons proc agroing. You may steal agro and get hurt or killed.
A cheap but less damage solution is often https://wiki.project1999.com/Dragoon_Dirk
In classic you'll want to save up for one of these https://wiki.project1999.com/Polished_Steel_Dirk
it has no proc.

---
you can find some item inspiration here
https://wiki.project1999.com/Special:Magelo/ClassSearchGreen/Rogue
https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Rogue_Equipment

Thanks for that advice. I will look for both and plan on getting the Dragoon first as I see it cheap sometimes. The other seems to be outside my range now. Long term is the Polished better than the +str +hp harpoon I see sometimes?

[Baler]

Thanks for that advice. I will look for both and plan on getting the Dragoon first as I see it cheap sometimes. The other seems to be outside my range now. Long term is the Polished better than the +str +hp harpoon I see sometimes?

What I've seen is people using the polished in main hand and harpoon in off hand. before you're able to raid the planes you'll want both. at least in my opinion.

Note that backstab damage is calculated with your main hand weapon damage. So they could be weapon swapping harpoon into mainhand then hitting backstab to achieve a higher damage output. Then swapping it back for faster polished swing speed.

[ldgo86]

*facepalm* highest damage piercer in mainland. Unless you’re crazy efficient at swapping weapons you’ll lose dps.

[Baler]

*facepalm* highest damage piercer in mainland. Unless you’re crazy efficient at swapping weapons you’ll lose dps.

You're willing to bet that a 9/31 is better dps than a 8/23 without using the swap trick?

[Drannorius]

What I've seen is people using the polished in main hand and harpoon in off hand. before you're able to raid the planes you'll want both. at least in my opinion.

Note that backstab damage is calculated with your main hand weapon damage. So they could be weapon swapping harpoon into mainhand then hitting backstab to achieve a higher damage output. Then swapping it back for faster polished swing speed.

I apologize for the newbie question but as a caster the concept of weapon DPS is not one I have ever dealt with. I know higher damage is better but I know delay comes into play. I am guessing the same damage the lower delay is better but I am sure there is some formula used to compare two weapons with two different damages and two different delays. Can you tell me what thst might be?

[Baler]

I apologize for the newbie question but as a caster the concept of weapon DPS is not one I have ever dealt with. I know higher damage is better but I know delay comes into play. I am guessing the same damage the lower delay is better but I am sure there is some formula used to compare two weapons with two different damages and two different delays. Can you tell me what thst might be?

I can't claim to be a melee grandmaster.
Ratio is a factor
9/31 = 0.29
8/23 = 0.34

I think people say to put your best ratio in your offhand. But that's advice I hear from kunark and velious era. I'm not certain how that applies to Classic pre-planes era EQ.
Maybe someone can answer this question more in depth :o

[mcoy]

I apologize for the newbie question but as a caster the concept of weapon DPS is not one I have ever dealt with. I know higher damage is better but I know delay comes into play. I am guessing the same damage the lower delay is better but I am sure there is some formula used to compare two weapons with two different damages and two different delays. Can you tell me what thst might be?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Statistics#Damage_Per_Second_.28DPS.29

-Mcoy

[ldgo86]

You're willing to bet that a 9/31 is better dps than a 8/23 without using the swap trick?

For someone absolutely new to melee I wouldn’t be trying to push weapon swapping.

[Baler]

For someone absolutely new to melee I wouldn’t be trying to push weapon swapping.

I'll concede to you on this point. It is a skill, much like monk weapon swapping in a way.

@OP for the sake of simplicity highest damage pierce weapon in main hand for those big juicy backstab numbers. :)

[Cen]

75-100p STR: +3 HP: +12
https://wiki.project1999.com/Diamondine_Earring



I think you made a whoopsie on this one.

Those are over 1k a pop.

[ChooChoo Train]

Park in kedge at lair and wait for a phinny rot while you wait continue farming plat on caster?

[bluntfang]

Please don't feed the trolls

let's just go ahead and isolate the trolls the RnF. isn't that what that forum is for? life would be better if we had a choice to avoid aggro machismo bullshit.

[Snortles Chortles]

i thought this thread was about elf twinks!!! SheeSh!!! :eek:

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