Green UN agreement?

[Tyten99]

I been looking is there a sticky or post that has this in it? If so I cant find it. Little help please.

[drackgon]

No, have to be on the UN discord, which has the 100+ rules posted on there-_- Believe you need to contact a guild master of one of the UN guilds. ST/Kingdom/Venerate/BL/Lineage/CI/FoH plus a few other guilds. To be invited to said discord. To be able to read over rules. Hopefully one day they will be all dumped here by someone. But if your guild is not on UN, you don't have to abide by any of those rules. Since they are "player made agreements"

[ChooChoo Train]

10 people making the rules for all the others to play by and the majority doesn’t even get any say whatsoever or even know what’s going on exactly, then they throw a fit when someone breaks one of these “rules”. It really is quite comical that the powers to be think that it will achieve any kind of long term success this way lol.

[Tyten99]

Thanks for the reply. I was confused on this. Sanctuary is not in the UN and I would like to find out what we can and when we can do stuff. Im not looking to get in anyone's way but I would like for our members to find out what our options are for future.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/LXo4Paz.gif

[drackgon]

@Choo, whats worst if those in UN breaking the rules over and over, or by skimping them by. I believe a few on server has voiced this hate towards the UN. I kind of hope a real raid force guild shows up that doesn't join the UN, but sadly that is very doubtful.

@OP GL bud hope you get on. Seriously just being pleasant and not being a troll is how you get in. Just know clearly your taking spots from others, so some will be grumpy. But for the good of the server(what truly UN should be about) shouldn't be an issue with yall getting in.

[Jack N]

Getting into conflict like that is a war of attrition, and now with <Dark Men of Odus> in the UN, the UN Peacekeeping Forces are actually credible. If diplomacy fails, we will meet any miscreants head on.

[drackgon]

Lol at ^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

[Baler]

Getting into conflict like that is a war of attrition

spot on, it's been like this on P99 for years.

[Emberthorn]

HAHAHAHAHHA WHAT? DMO IS IN UN? LOL WHAT A JOKE THE UN IS.

Let's not forget, the same people who spout this:

https://imgur.com/T5I84Q1
https://imgur.com/a/FsgpzYR

Is Guildless and Dial-A-Port in yet?

At least I hope Sanctuary and Aussie Crew are in. They at least have members.

[Taxijoe]

Lol. Guildless was in the UN but they disbanded last I heard due to RL matters.

[drackgon]

OP is from sanctuary so clearly they want in. Dial of Port hasn't expressed to bc they don't raid lol.

Aussie Crew I think there is a vote or was for them 2 get it. (sadly I don't know the result have been gone all weekend)

[Fammaden]

Thanks for the reply. I was confused on this. Sanctuary is not in the UN and I would like to find out what we can and when we can do stuff. Im not looking to get in anyone's way but I would like for our members to find out what our options are for future.

You can do whatever you want whenever you want. You aren't in the UN so you aren't bound by any UN agreements. They are player agreements not server rules. You might piss some people off that way but there's nothing stopping you.

[Nirgon]

HAHAHAHAHHA WHAT? DMO IS IN UN? LOL WHAT A JOKE THE UN IS.

Let's not forget, the same people who spout this:

https://imgur.com/T5I84Q1
https://imgur.com/a/FsgpzYR

Is Guildless and Dial-A-Port in yet?

At least I hope Sanctuary and Aussie Crew are in. They at least have members.

very selective editing, rustle confirmed

[drackgon]

very selective editing, rustle confirmed

Oh em gee, you mean like same thing everyone does on forums:D

[Cen]

Id love to find out a secret untagged stealth raid force exists lol

[drackgon]

Cen sadly doesn't. Would be nice to see some fresh blood at raid scene. But heck even Lineage I believe is done raiding dragons. Haven't seen them near a raid boss since LR went away. Guildless is MIA. FoH does the trash runs but haven't seen them at any dragon race. ST/DMO, Kingdom,Venerate,BL, Aussie Crew, and even castle have all been at socks/races.

[Stickyfingers]

Cen sadly doesn't. Would be nice to see some fresh blood at raid scene. But heck even Lineage I believe is done raiding dragons. Haven't seen them near a raid boss since LR went away. Guildless is MIA. FoH does the trash runs but haven't seen them at any dragon race. ST/DMO, Kingdom,Venerate,BL, Aussie Crew, and even castle have all been at socks/races.

I believe a lot of Lineage went to the TLP server? I may be wrong, but that is what I heard through the grapevine.

[uygi]

I heard the same. Can't blame them, p99 raid scene has always been shitty in one way or another. I tried TLP once and it was not a fun game, just a silly hampster wheel.

[drackgon]

Yeah what Tiffany said. Heard Tatekai and Kbazz left for TLP. Also their DKP and main healer cleric is gone as well. This is just rumors, but will say everyone knows I <3 Lineage and enjoyed messing with them...a lot.

P99 raiding is for sure interesting. Seems a pool of people who want to experience things they never got to, with people who enjoy raiding with friends, and finally those who just like to watch the world burn:)

[ClephNote]

I'm curious... what would the optimal raiding scene look like? We did might makes right, trains r fun, GM babysitting and finally created a UN and rotation.

Since it's always "shitty" I'm genuinely curious what would be fair/good/fun/positive look like? Outside of instancing or reduction of population by 75%, I'm not sure what could be done. It's an old nostalgia game and our bads would stomp Furor/Tigole/Thott in knowledge, strategies and execution. So, how do you make most people happy?

I'd like most people to be happy!

[Fammaden]

I'm curious... what would the optimal raiding scene look like? We did might makes right, trains r fun, GM babysitting and finally created a UN and rotation.

There's no rotation on the real raid targets, everything rotated (even Maestro and Phinny when you really break down the difficulty) are fast spawning trash from end game zones. The big names, Inny/CT/Draco/Vox/Nag, are all still poopsocked window camping shitfests.

We also know straight from Galach that he proposed a bag limit system to green UN and the idea was roundly rejected by ST.

[billcrystals]

The UN took a huge credibility hit by letting DMO in, but it's still the best way to regulate/distribute such limited content among a wide group of players. The alternative of just FFA anarchy is worse for everyone IMO.

[ClephNote]

What’s the bag limit, I’m unfamiliar with it.

[Jungleberry]

I'm curious... what would the optimal raiding scene look like? We did might makes right, trains r fun, GM babysitting and finally created a UN and rotation.

Since it's always "shitty" I'm genuinely curious what would be fair/good/fun/positive look like? Outside of instancing or reduction of population by 75%, I'm not sure what could be done. It's an old nostalgia game and our bads would stomp Furor/Tigole/Thott in knowledge, strategies and execution. So, how do you make most people happy?

I'd like most people to be happy!

Get rid of socking. The game is 21 years old and all the fat nerds are still just sitting outside waiting for shit to spawn for 12 hours. Real fun.

[ClephNote]

The UN took a huge credibility hit by letting DMO in, but it's still the best way to regulate/distribute such limited content among a wide group of players. The alternative of just FFA anarchy is worse for everyone IMO.

Why doesn't DMO count? They are a guild of allies and pals. Literally three of them raid regularly with ST and they maintain their DMO tags and they are more competitive than some of the smaller guilds in the UN.

To my knowledge, there is no cross guild tagging going on, and even if there were, would that be bad? I have to assume that there are people in multiple guilds now. It's more likely that there is a Kingdom player in ST than a DMO player. So, what's the problemo, amigo?

[OuterChimp]

Is Bladefrenzy a member of the UN?

Does he make up the rules?

[ClephNote]

Get rid of socking. The game is 21 years old and all the fat nerds are still just sitting outside waiting for shit to spawn for 12 hours. Real fun.

Are you recommending removing variance from respawn timers, so everyone knows that CT spawns at noon on Tuesday, for example, making it an FTE race for everyone that's available at noon on Tuesday? The last couple of weeks, there has been almost 200 people socking 7 day spawns. They weren't all Seal Team.

[Fammaden]

What’s the bag limit, I’m unfamiliar with it.

If your guild (presumably ST on green) kills the same raid mob three consecutive spawns in a row, you don't contest for the fourth. Kind of a soft rotation or a compromise. There's still competition on every spawn, the dominating guild still gets to monopolize the majority of content, but once a month the other guys get more of a shot at each target.

[Kich867]

Are you recommending removing variance from respawn timers, so everyone knows that CT spawns at noon on Tuesday, for example, making it an FTE race for everyone that's available at noon on Tuesday? The last couple of weeks, there has been almost 200 people socking 7 day spawns. They weren't all Seal Team.

You could also just go the other way, increase the spawn rates and lock people out of getting loot from that mob for a week.

[billcrystals]

Why doesn't DMO count? They are a guild of allies and pals. Literally three of them raid regularly with ST and they maintain their DMO tags and they are more competitive than some of the smaller guilds in the UN.

To my knowledge, there is no cross guild tagging going on, and even if there were, would that be bad? I have to assume that there are people in multiple guilds now. It's more likely that there is a Kingdom player in ST than a DMO player. So, what's the problemo, amigo?

I've been on this server for like 2 months and I've already seen DMO: troll Tranix/the UN for weeks, say racist shit in the UN Discord, and just in general act like a bunch of teenagers on here.

They can be whatever kind of guild they want, but it's not the kind of behavior I want to be associated with as a grown ass man playing this game in 2020. Given the aspirations of what the UN is attempting to do/be, I think catering to behavior like that definitely hollows out some credibility.

I'm willing to give DMO another shot no doubt, but first impressions and all that.

[drackgon]

I know classic Nazis will hate me. But I do wish raid mobs variances, would either go Away or shrink to almost nothing IE instead of +/- 8 hours(total fo 16 hour window), make it +/- 30 mins up to 2 hours.

Reason being, is this game isn't classic by a long shot. Yes its probably closest thing to classic out there. But come on Clickys/Recharge/FTE yellow text/Hand holding bs/Non dial up/Computers able to do 2000% more output then what people had 99-2002. Its not admins fault..

Most those who play this game 99.9% are people who played original (much love). Meaning most are 35+. With family's and such. Clearly those who can sock 16+ hours straight. Either cares 0 about family, or still probably never had a partner:)

That alone would fix socking. Now to fix raid scene. GM force rotation. Pretty much if your able to kill said dragon and proved that you had. Congrats your on rotation. IE Guild1,guild2,guild3... Guild4 wants to get in has to snipe it during other guilds rotation.
Also when target spawns, whoever turn it is has 15/30 mins to engage.

People claiming that their enjoyment is the race, is silly. Racing wasn't a thing in classic. Heck it was who did the most dmg. Heck 95% server only had 1-2 guilds even able to do dragons. Most were alliances of smaller guilds taking down raid targets.

Racing isn't anything. EQ raiding is all about Zerg(not a single green raiding guild isn't zerging targets down fyi)

[drackgon]

Btw can't wait to see how Sky turns out. PoF was god awful after it came out. Cough Menden the Baby Sitter, and Galach having to check logs every 3 seconds. PoH, was a huge wipe fest by guilds popping up and training each other.

Boy Sky is gonna be funny as heck, people gonna be cutting throats for key peices:)

[Snortles Chortles]

so elf communism
got it

[ClephNote]

Bros, these recommendations are just instances with extra steps, 1/10th the loot pool, catering to casuals.

Which is literally everything EQ isn't.

[bbsmitz]

so elf communism
got it

If you're playing on a non-pvp server you've already given in to 'communism'. It's just a question now of how much you're okay with.

Bros, these recommendations are just instances with extra steps, 1/10th the loot pool, catering to casuals.

Which is literally everything EQ isn't.

I feel like it depends. My understanding is that there were servers back in the day where the 7-days were on rotations. However, there were also servers that weren't. Saying that somehow rotations aren't 'real EQ' seems misguided. However generally it does seem that rotations were not handed down from on high but rather player agreed. If some players want to try to deny everyone else pixels, that does seem to be one way classic EQ was played.

[Nirgon]

so elf communism
got it

Amen lulz

No one is giving in to any kind of communism.

Track your own raid mobs and farm your own pixels.

Green 99 pixel economy is reaching historic highs, with many fine alts to show for it.

[bbsmitz]

Amen lulz

No one is giving in to any kind of communism.

Track your own raid mobs and farm your own pixels.

Green 99 pixel economy is reaching historic highs, with many fine alts to show for it.

How are raid rotations communism? You still have to go kill the thing yourself, no?

[ClephNote]

If some players want to try to deny everyone else pixels, that does seem to be one way classic EQ was played.

That's an interesting perspective. No one is denying anyone anything, those pixels won are pixels earned. If you compete and win, more power to you.

I sincerely wish you the best of luck!

[bbsmitz]

That's an interesting perspective. No one is denying anyone anything, those pixels won are pixels earned. If you compete and win, more power to you.

I sincerely wish you the best of luck!

No, I meant literally as in, for some players, it seems as if they're not as happy with the pixels they have if others have the same pixels. It's the difference between say running a personal best time and beating someone in a race. It seems as if for some EQ isn't as fun unless someone else loses out. But I'm not casting a moral judgement there; EQ is a game and has no real life consequences. You're not gonna go hungry if you don't get pixels, so if some people enjoy EQ as a competitive game, in your words, more power to them. It's not really different than playing Madden or FIFA in that respect.

[Jungleberry]

Are you recommending removing variance from respawn timers, so everyone knows that CT spawns at noon on Tuesday, for example, making it an FTE race for everyone that's available at noon on Tuesday? The last couple of weeks, there has been almost 200 people socking 7 day spawns. They weren't all Seal Team.

I'm suggesting people learn to rotate as the vast majority of servers did in classic.

[Jungleberry]

That's an interesting perspective. No one is denying anyone anything, those pixels won are pixels earned. If you compete and win, more power to you.

I sincerely wish you the best of luck!

If you consider socking/racing to a mob competition, I feel sorry for you. And yes, it's not only ST sitting outside mobs socking. By default, a sock won't exist if only one guild is going after the mob.

[Nirgon]

How are raid rotations communism? You still have to go kill the thing yourself, no?

It is being given to you without competition. It isn't happening here.

[Jungleberry]

It is being given to you without competition. It isn't happening here.

So sitting outside waiting for a mob to spawn for hours just to foot race to the mob is competition? Really? That's it?

[drackgon]

So sitting outside waiting for a mob to spawn for hours just to foot race to the mob is competition? Really? That's it?

LoL its not, Seriously the moment a boss spawns its a zone zerg to the boss. There is no competition in that all. Other then ST/Federation no other guild has done dragons (Open server raid isnt racing clearly)Though Lineage did show up, don't recall they ever got FTE themselves.

Competition would be Each guild gets 6 players go to arena. Winner gets first chance at dragon GG. Hell even a random roll. Or make it really fun. 6 lvl 1 warriors vs 6 lvl 1 warriors go go:)

[ClephNote]

Which servers rotated on live? I played Fennin Ro and never say that. It was always survival of the fittest.

[bbsmitz]

It is being given to you without competition. It isn't happening here.

A 'competition' without PVP is by default half-assed. Everyone playing on green (including myself) has made a choice that they would prefer code be in place to protect themselves from a complete challenge. We're all whores, we're just quibbling about the price.

[Jungleberry]

Which servers rotated on live? I played Fennin Ro and never say that. It was always survival of the fittest.

Sorry I don't have a bulleted list here for you. E'ci and Karana did. Those were the two I played on. Had a bunch of friends on various servers where they rotated as well. And it's not survival of the fittest. It's survival of the most unemployed.

[drackgon]

Cleph I played on Erollis Marr. Only rotation I remember was in PoP, the top 3 guilds had rotated it. Before that ALL!!! and I mean ALLLLLLL raid bosses was done with an alliance of like 4 decent size 15-25 man guilds with a few other randos. I clearly remember server first Vox/naggy/ct/inny. Bc playing a shaman we had to do buffs..clearly. And I remember after buffing peeps, Logging to chat room. At server select, and chatting about last minute things for said boss.

This is only my experience and one of many servers though.

[drackgon]

Sorry I don't have a bulleted list here for you. E'ci and Karana did. Those were the two I played on. Had a bunch of friends on various servers where they rotated as well. And it's not survival of the fittest. It's survival of the most unemployed.

^ Truth will set you free.

[Jungleberry]

Cleph I played on Erollis Marr. Only rotation I remember was in PoP, the top 3 guilds had rotated it. Before that ALL!!! and I mean ALLLLLLL raid bosses was done with an alliance of like 4 decent size 15-25 man guilds with a few other randos. I clearly remember server first Vox/naggy/ct/inny. Bc playing a shaman we had to do buffs..clearly. And I remember after buffing peeps, Logging to chat room. At server select, and chatting about last minute things for said boss.

This is only my experience and one of many servers though.

I remember alliances on various servers as well. There was one while I played on E'ci. At that point, it was just a good way to make sure you had a large enough raid force to take down the mobs. It wasn't about socking.

[drackgon]

Yep. It wasn't unusual for Dragons/gods to be up for a whole day or 2. Until enough were able to rally for it. Don't think it was until Vel that Erollis Marr really started having strong raiding scene that would kill bosses within 4-6 hours of spawning. But yeah clearly socking is classic and what original creators intended for bosses.

Hell I am pretty sure EM server first CT didn't happen for a long time that I remember. Bc it was a few days after Halloween when PoF opened. And I clearly remember spending like the following 3 days on CR for it just bc of wipes at zone in,lol. So draco/CT was probably alive for a long time.

[Fammaden]

Btw can't wait to see how Sky turns out. PoF was god awful after it came out. Cough Menden the Baby Sitter, and Galach having to check logs every 3 seconds. PoH, was a huge wipe fest by guilds popping up and training each other.

Boy Sky is gonna be funny as heck, people gonna be cutting throats for key peices:)

No they aren't, it would be pointless and counterproductive, ST is going to know that and the UN will most likely have a rotation system set up ahead of time similar or identical to blue's:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Plane_of_Sky_Raid_Rotation

Biggest different being maybe guilds having multiple slots per day/days in the week. No one on blue wants to do that shit more than once a week.

Sky is a different animal, Fear (ESPECIALLY with LR armor) had valuable new drops off random trash. Sky the first clear is very limited in keys, if you have 300 people on isle one fighting for them every respawn it will take months for any guild to have a decent force corpsed. ST knows this, you'll have a rotation.

Sky is all about repetition, it takes many repeated clears to start getting much of any loot to your members and at level 50 in vanillla gear its not likely to feel very trivial getting a full clear done within one time slot.

The exception here are the nobles, who have yellow FTE text and are very valuable, and can be contested by anyone who has a key corpsing raid force. Those will be a shit show, and I'd expect ST to strongarm their way into having the first slots in order to secure the first noble timer on their window. Nobles will basically be another seven day target, but with key corpsing required to contest them. They also don't have variance so it will be a clickfest battle of low ping to get FTE when they spawn.

[Bigsham]

10 people making the rules for all the others to play by and the majority doesn’t even get any say whatsoever or even know what’s going on exactly, then they throw a fit when someone breaks one of these “rules”. It really is quite comical that the powers to be think that it will achieve any kind of long term success this way lol.

Might want to stop playing non instanced online games then because its all children playing this crap

[ChooChoo Train]

Might want to stop playing non instanced online games then because its all children playing this crap

This is the best you could come up with? And it’s most definitely man babies not children.

[OuterChimp]

Can i solo as a 32 cleric in plane of Sky?