Pally - Fungi versus Crown of Narandi

[Barlu]

Have a 52 Pally I’ve been playing recently and have a Deepwater BP and Fungi right now. Do a fair amount of soloing since I usually can only play 1 or 2 hours at a time.

I use the Fungi during battle and switch to BP for heals. I use the BP rather than helm since it’s a lot more HP per cast and I don’t mind using up the Jasper each cast. Given this, do you think it would be more advantageous to have a Crown of Narandi or the Fungi? I can only afford one and with how fast I get HP back with the Deepwater BP I’m thinking the FT2 might be more helpful since I almost never am sitting and the passive mana regen would be more helpful.

Anyone have any experience with this or thoughts on it?

Thanks!

[loramin]

I can't speak to the crown, but having worn a Fungi on multiple classes, and having added FT1 to one ... you will notice the Fungi's regen, but you absolutely will not notice the FT. On paper it is of course helping, but you won't actually notice it ... and I strongly suspect the same would be true even of FT2.

[Naethyn]

Went full SS armor and Crown and I gotta say who needs a fungi? Unlimited mana, full ac, max haste, and a undead proc and you will never need a fungi.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Gladimir

[Danth]

I'd rather have the Narandi Crown between the two given it's also at or near best-available statistics for its slot. The flowing thought is simply a bonus on an already excellent item. Fungus Tunic's regeneration (150 HP/minute maximum) is paltry next to what the Deepwater Chest does. That being said, I do not use a crown on my Shadow Knight due to the crown not having a graphic; I like having a visible helm so I accept using an otherwise inferior item.

Figure 1200 mana per hour maximum, meaning the crown's effect in practice is you either go a little longer between meditate breaks or don't have to sit for quite as long when you take one. The effect is fairly noticeable if you're operating in mana-conservation mode and use mana only slowly. If you're using most of your mana bar every fight, you won't notice it so much.

Danth

[Philistine]

I'm too broke to have either, but I believe Breeze is 2 mana/tick. I'd consider hitting up a chanter for a Breeze and see if you can tell the difference. I feel like I can on my 49 ranger, but I'm an optimist so it could be the placebo effect :p

[Barlu]

Thanks for the feedback! Was planning on trying to do full Kael armor for the ac and look and have 36% worn haste. Naethyn your Pally looks awesome.

I usually use my mana for only the essentials like self buffs, Yaulp, and a root if I need some life mid fight. Based on that I think the crown would be better. For 30 mana in a fight I can root and heal up 900 hp in 30 seconds. Only time I ever have to take a break now is when I run out of mana.

Thanks again for the help and have decided to go with the crown. Hopefully I can find one for sale that’s reasonably priced.

[White_knight]

I movd my fungi off my now 56 Paladin since it was better served somewhere else.

Like someone said above: it's 150hp per minute - 1 DW helm cast at 56 is 121hp, 1 dw bp cast is 307, one CC cast is 700- 875 hp heal.

While a fungi is always good, on a class that has healing options it's mitigated and as such I found it way more useful on my Shaman.

When ever I afk to med up etc. I throw on Divine Purpose (8hp per tick for 3 mana). Also if you run DP with a Narandi Crown during combat it will return 80 hp for 10 mana per minute as the FT 2 will account for 2 of the 3 mana...also factor in you have 1 mana per tick standing meaning your standing mana regen will be 0 for 8 hp per tick.

If you have a dw bp and a Narandi Crown that would be my choice too.

P.s lucky you to have this dilema - one day I hope to have that crown too.

[Trazic]

Crown of Narandi is a tough find right now. Searching it on the auction section shows at least the last 8 mentions in a row are people buying. Didn't look past that. When someone does finally sell one they will be flush with offers.

I blame that one recent melee thread for inspiring a bunch of new paladin alts.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I have Crown of Narandi and Shawl 7 on my SK. The mana regeneration is definately noticeable when soloing. You spend a lot of time standing, between combat, spells, and clickies. I usually think of mana regeneration in terms of buffs. If you spend 600 mana per hour on buffs, Flowing Thought I means all of your buffs are free, assuming no dispells.

Another way to think is with respawn timers. You save 3 minutes per hour per flowing thought on meditate at level 60. That means crown saves 6 minutes per hour of meditation. If you are keeping a 20 minute respawn camp down, that means you need to meditate 2 less minutes per clear. That could easily be the difference between barely keeping the mobs down, and always keeping the mobs down. As a melee class, RNG can easily disrupt your recovery if you happen to deal low damage, while the mob deals high damage.

[Kirdan]

I agree the crown is better. Fungi is pretty redundant on a paladin once you get into the 50s and your mana becomes more and more valuable as you get higher.

[White_knight]

I agree the crown is better. Fungi is pretty redundant on a paladin once you get into the 50s and your mana becomes more and more valuable as you get higher.

Yup, I am firmly a believer to build hybrids around mana, and tanking 2ndary.

Simply dont need 1400 ac to tank group content.

(Not trying to start an argument)

[Ostepop]

If you build around the cleric's mana, then ac and hp is the way to go. It's rare to be in a full group without a bard or enc, but obviously FT is valuable in those situations.
I don't play with long AFKs to med up, so a large mana pool seems a waste compared to other priorities.

[Snaggles]

It’s highly dependent on level. Fungi to about 50 on old world mobs is very powerful. At a point though even a DW Helm is going to trounce it’s recovery (let alone a DW BP). At that point tho FT2 is silly it’s going to help keep up with root mana which should be all the mana you are spending. I think a coldain ring and cheap ds pots would really expedite your grind too.

I leveled my pally mostly solo to 60. It was quite easy without anything notable but a DW Helm and reaver from like lvl 42 on. Slow killing compared to most classes but being almost unkillable is a nice perk.

[elwing]

For leveling, fungy without any hesitations... For your proper raid gear definitely the crown...

[Ennewi]

(Not trying to start an argument)

https://youtu.be/PIX82ebwHM4

Good points in this thread. Other than roots for jousting, the occasional emergency calm can buy enough room in narrow corridors and intersections to keep the dungeon crawl going.The soothe from DW vambraces isn't fast enough to avoid aggroing pathers/small trains mid-fight, so that little extra mana drip goes a long way.

[Lartanin63]

Just my thoughts on the whole thing. I have dw helm,bp, crown and fungi. I tend to wear the fungi all the time when I solo and grouping. It reduces the work on the healer. It paired with jeldorin can keep you in the fight all the time. Using mana just for stuns and yaulps doesn't drain to much. Hp/mana ratio I feel after the fight is like a 4 to 1 ratio. What I mean by that is once the fight is over I pop off two heals sit and med and let Regen finish off my HP bar and mana fills up about that same time. I guess if you like utilizing the helm/bp click instead of medding it might not matter, but I feel with the time you are stuck standing using clicks you will eventually run out of mana. So I guess the helm vs fungi would be the helm since you are standing the whole time.
Tldr if you have to pick go with helm.