Should THIS be here?

[Nirgon]

https://i.imgur.com/UjZq4hf.png

Asking for a nilbog

[Baler]

Is p99 allowed to officially distribute zone files?

(including the context of the daybreak agreement?)

[Nirgon]

Is p99 allowed to officially distribute zone files?

(including the context of the daybreak agreement?)

Come back and get a kedge robe/tcrown, bud.

[Dolalin]

If you look at the older eqgame.exe files and extract its strings with PE Explorer, you can see a lot of cool messages. Apparently they were planning on people needing to buy tickets to use boats but they never got it working.

https://github.com/dbsanfte/eq-archives/blob/7d8c963252c54de0f4a9e53f809c7b233430193f/eq_str/eqgame.exe.phase4.str.txt#L1660

[TripSin]

They planned to sell tickets to Velious before Scars of Velious was even created?

[Dolalin]

They planned to sell tickets to Velious before Scars of Velious was even created?

I... don't understand how you got there from here.

[Cen]

Actually, that sign with the lower rez version was there in classic, and did name Velious by name. However, the high rez version you have didn't exist yet. It's kind of like the parrot situation in oggok

[TripSin]

I... don't understand how you got there from here.


P99 green/teal is supposed to be base EQ before expansions. Velious wasn't introduced as a place to travel to in EverQuest until over a year and a half later.

[Dolalin]

P99 green/teal is supposed to be base EQ before expansions. Velious wasn't introduced as a place to travel to in EverQuest until over a year and a half later.

Looks like it was in from the start. They had Kunark/Velious continents already sketched out in the lore somewhat at EQ release.

3/3/00

In Freeport, there is a sign on the boathouse which says "book
passage/Faydwer/Kunark". I was in Erudin tonight. There is also a sign:
Book Passage
Qeynos
Velious

Velious. Hmmm.....

---
Pacer Silverfang, Ranger
Innoruuk

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.games.everquest/QvRu2HzX4Hw/6TlGj18fM1oJ


Also in that thread:


Author Lau <aut...@taiyoink.com.hk> wrote:
: It is the volcanlo island in erudit crossing.

No actually Vellious is a whole new continent. It was probably
planned for release in the retail box (note the box says "five
continents") and it is referred to by several NPCs (only in
Everfrost that I've seen so far).

According to the storyline of Norrath, Kunark is the last refuge
of the Combine Empire. If you kill in Sol A or B you'll notice
you'll lose or gain faction with KunarkFireGiants. This seems to
indicate that the FGs have their home in Kunark. The information
about Kunark seems to indicate that there are a lot of giants there
too.

Talk to the barbarian NPCs in Everfrost and they will talk about
Permafrost. They will say that it is the home of the last remaining
Ice Giants. The rest have long since gone to the ice covered
continent of Vellious.

I haven't seen that sign in Erudin but am somewhat surprised its
there. I would've expected the boat there to be from Halas if
anywhere.

Still I doubt we'll see Vellious anytime soon (if at all). Maybe
EQ3?


and


Talk to Tundra Jack, he'll mention that the ice giants pulled up stakes and
moved to Velious, the continent is also mentioned in the history of norrath
in the game manual.

Probably never going to make it...the whole place would be incredibly
dull...there is only so much you can do with an icy wasteland.


You heard it here first folks, Velious is incredibly dull. Best stop Green at Kunark.

[cd288]

Looks like it was in from the start. They had Kunark/Velious continents already sketched out in the lore somewhat at EQ release.



Also in that thread:



and



You heard it here first folks, Velious is incredibly dull. Best stop Green at Kunark.

Man Trip got owned

[Coridan]

Kunark and Velious were originally planned to be included at launch. The concept and story for them existed in the original design. Qeynos/Odus was the first area to be developed and there would have been a boat from Erudin to Velious. That was dropped pretty early but kept in there for future use.

When it came time to do Velious though they were trying to make stuff more convenient overall so just had one boat from NRo.

[Jimjam]

It frustrates me they dropped all these hints at future expansion, but then completely forgot about them when they were actually released (Fgts of Kunark faction hits in SolDungB).

Suggestion for custom content on blue: Fire Giant dungeon city in Kunark.

https://i.imgur.com/UjZq4hf.png

Asking for a nilbog

Advanced booking only for Velious.

Tbh its pretty inconvenient having to visit erudin just to get tickets for passage from N Ro to Velious, but it is what it is.


Seriously though, I always wondered if a ticket system was planned then dropped. Having ticket offices at all the ports seemed like a level of world building that wouldn't be bothered with unless there was an actual mechanic attached.

[TripSin]

Kunark and Velious were originally planned to be included at launch. The concept and story for them existed in the original design. Qeynos/Odus was the first area to be developed and there would have been a boat from Erudin to Velious. That was dropped pretty early but kept in there for future use.

When it came time to do Velious though they were trying to make stuff more convenient overall so just had one boat from NRo.

oh, the more you know

[cd288]

It frustrates me they dropped all these hints at future expansion, but then completely forgot about them when they were actually released (Fgts of Kunark faction hits in SolDungB).

Suggestion for custom content on blue: Fire Giant dungeon city in Kunark.



Advanced booking only for Velious.

Tbh its pretty inconvenient having to visit erudin just to get tickets for passage from N Ro to Velious, but it is what it is.


Seriously though, I always wondered if a ticket system was planned then dropped. Having ticket offices at all the ports seemed like a level of world building that wouldn't be bothered with unless there was an actual mechanic attached.

I wonder if part of the reason they scrapped it is that it had the potential to be rendered useless by teleports. For example, if a ticket costs 25pp and a Druid or Wizard says they’ll port you for like 20 then you’re not gonna take the boat, especially if the port is closer to where you need to go. The whole reason people take the boats is because they’re free otherwise it’s not worth the hassle when you have Druids and Wizards undercutting the ticket price lol

[Cawin]

If interested, here is their prelaunch maps:

https://imgur.com/a/va4bm
(Love Kithicok Woods)

And Velious:
https://imgur.com/Ywvtu7P

You can clearly see what areas they had more finalized, but yes, original idea was 5 continents at launch. You can see Velious on the Norrath globe models in Kunark for example too.

Never forget we are just playing in a couple guys DnD 3.5 campaign from 30 years ago:

Tony Garcia's Lucan Character sheet: https://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/sir-lucan-deboterlere/

Bill Trost's Mayong Sheet:
https://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/mayong-mistmoore-character-sheet/

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/UjZq4hf.png

Asking for a nilbog

You mean the darkelf? :o

[Tywulf]

If interested, here is their prelaunch maps:

https://imgur.com/a/va4bm
(Love Kithicok Woods)

And Velious:
https://imgur.com/Ywvtu7P

You can clearly see what areas they had more finalized, but yes, original idea was 5 continents at launch. You can see Velious on the Norrath globe models in Kunark for example too.

Never forget we are just playing in a couple guys DnD 3.5 campaign from 30 years ago:

Tony Garcia's Lucan Character sheet: https://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/sir-lucan-deboterlere/

Bill Trost's Mayong Sheet:
https://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/mayong-mistmoore-character-sheet/

That's some good stuff right there.. great find!

[Jibartik]

If you look at the older eqgame.exe files and extract its strings with PE Explorer, you can see a lot of cool messages. Apparently they were planning on people needing to buy tickets to use boats but they never got it working.

Look at this little dude we never got to see! :( He;s hiding below akanon geometry.

https://i.imgur.com/aFBiDXu.png

https://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/threads/adventures-in-texture-editing.28215/post-284248

[Dolalin]

Zone list from the phase4 beta .exe which I linked earlier. They were planning a few more that never made the cut:


00589A30: 'magi',0
00589A38: 'jrbase1',0
00589A40: 'erudsxing',0
00589A4C: 'arena',0
00589A54: 'hateplane',0
00589A60: 'kerraridge',0
00589A6C: 'permafrost',0
00589A78: 'fearplane',0
00589A84: 'cauldron',0
00589A94: 'kaladimb',0
00589AA0: 'gukbottom',0
00589AAC: 'guktop',0
00589AB4: 'kedge',0
00589ABC: 'unrest',0
00589AC4: 'felwitheb',0
00589AD0: 'mistmoore',0
00589ADC: 'crushbone',0
00589AE8: 'lfaydark',0
00589AF4: 'aviak',0
00589AFC: 'lakerathe',0
00589B08: 'rathemtn',0
00589B14: 'cazicthule',0
00589B20: 'qcat',0
00589B28: 'najena',0
00589B30: 'neriakd',0
00589B38: 'neriaka',0
00589B40: 'hole',0
00589B48: 'befallen',0
00589B54: 'soldungb',0
00589B60: 'soldunga',0
00589B6C: 'nektropos',0
00589B78: 'lavastorm',0
00589B84: 'erudnint',0
00589B90: 'ecommons',0
00589B9C: 'commons',0
00589BA4: 'kithicor',0
00589BB4: 'blackburrow',0
00589BC0: 'beholder',0
00589BCC: 'eastkarana',0
00589BD8: 'southkarana',0
00589BE4: 'northkarana',0
00589BF0: 'qey2hh1',0
00589BF8: 'runnyeye',0
00589C04: 'freportn',0
00589C10: 'highcave',0
00589C1C: 'highkeep',0
00589C28: 'highpass',0
0058639C: 'misty',0
005863A4: 'feerrott',0
005863B0: 'innothule',0
005863BC: 'steamfont',0
005863C8: 'nektulos',0
005863D4: 'neriak',0
005863DC: 'butcher',0
005863E4: 'kaladim',0
005863F0: 'everfrost',0
005863FC: 'freport',0
00586404: 'qeynos2',0
0058640C: 'freportw',0
00586418: 'erudnext',0
00586424: 'felwithea',0
00586430: 'halas',0
00586438: 'neriakc',0
00586440: 'neriakb',0
00586448: 'grobb',0
00586450: 'oggok',0
00586458: 'kaladima',0
00586464: 'gfaydark',0
00586470: 'akanon',0
00586478: 'rivervale',0
00586484: 'qeynos',0
0057DA74: 'airplane',0
00580A30: 'oasis',0
0058D510: 'abbey',0
0058D534: 'kedgekeep',0
0058D61C: 'tower',0
0058D648: 'permacave',0



0058D4FC: 'Abbey of Innoruuk',0
0058D560: 'Neriak Palace',0
0058D554: 'Nektropos',0
0058D60C: 'Tower of Rot',0
0058D624: 'Aviak Village',0


Also Lycanthropy:


00586BD8: 'You feel as though a great weight has been lifted from thy soul.',0
00586C1C: ', looks as though a dark shadow has descended.',0
00586C4C: 'You feel as though a curse has benn laid upon thy soul...',0
00586C88: 'Lycanthropy',0


Bard song that didn't make the cut (Hymn of Angels):


0058724C: ' listens to a beautiful hymn, and looks healthier.',0
00587280: 'You hear a beautiful hymn, and feel healthier.',0
005872B0: ' makes angelic music.',0
005872D4: 'You make angelic music.',0
005872EC: 'Hymn of Angels',0

[Nuggie]

Wait, I thought DMO didn't have alts in ST?

[Dolalin]

Look at this little dude we never got to see! :( He;s hiding below akanon geometry.

https://i.imgur.com/aFBiDXu.png

https://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/threads/adventures-in-texture-editing.28215/post-284248

Wow

[Jibartik]

I believe there is also a hidden dwarf! Someone in the forums said they used them for GM events but I'm not sure if I ever saw any photographs of the events.

I wonder how many gigabytes of eq screenshots from 1999-2001 have been deleted on earth. I know I contributed about a thousand images worth to that number smh.

[nilbog]

I believe there is also a hidden dwarf!

https://i.imgur.com/BDtVQbk.png

credit: Zaela

[Jibartik]

There he is! haha

[Dolalin]

We need a project to archive every eq screenshot possible and do some kind of image search indexing on them.

I tried image search on my massive eq archive (https://sourceforge.net/projects/imgseek/) and it blew up, won't even build an index, even though my machine has 64GB of ram. Besides uploading them all into some google photos account I'm not sure which way to go.

[Jibartik]

We need a project to archive every eq screenshot possible

I think you just described nilbog lol

I just found this, check this funfact out:

https://i.imgur.com/5NauIyJ.png https://i.imgur.com/J3BvgLF.png https://i.imgur.com/2NJVPaP.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/WqLRoOm.png

[RpTheHotrod]

They planned to sell tickets to Velious before Scars of Velious was even created?

Kunark and Velious both existed in their designs before EQ launched. They just decided to delay Kunark and Velious and add them as expansions post-launch.

EDIT - Looks like someone already posted as such. They were a lot closer to kunark\velious being ready for launch than most think. I have the original renders of the continents from one of their design notebooks before the game launched.

[douglas1999]

Lol if you play here and don't have that folded paper map of norrath which clearly included kunark and velious.

I really wonder how much it cost them to make those and ship them with every copy of the game

[Trexller]

Lol if you play here and don't have that folded paper map of norrath which clearly included kunark and velious.

I really wonder how much it cost them to make those and ship them with every copy of the game

Probably not much. in 98/99 you could still get things made for less than a billion per unit.

man i remember the burlap-like cloth map that came with the original game box when i was level 10 IRL

I also remember trying to use that cloth map to try and navigate in-game. didnt go well.

I printed every single zone's map at the school library and stuck em in a 3 ring binder. I remember ducking the librarians and eventually getting caught.

Good times. Thank you EverQuest!