So a guild can own a camp?

[Coridan]

The camping rules allow for a guild to just completely own an important camp 24/7 for weeks? Pretty fucked up.

[Necabo]

The camping rules allow for a guild to just completely own an important camp 24/7 for weeks? Pretty fucked up.

Might be able to use this for camp disputes.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364054

[OuterChimp]

Does that spell drop anywhere else?

[OuterChimp]

...and once all their necros get that spell will they let other folks have it?

[BenDerisgreat]

...and once all their necros get that spell will they let other folks have it?

Said guild will be the only ones past the first few islands in PoS for weeks since they are effectively preventing anyone else from getting the spell. They only need 1 copy of the spell yet are preventing all necros from having it. Praise Seal Team.

[cd288]

Welcome to classic

[Trexller]

At one point Kingdom locked down frenzy in L Guk for like a week straight, they were made to relinquish.

IIRC there is something about a guild cant be sitting on a camp for more than 24 hours

That may have been a one time decision

[BenDerisgreat]

At one point Kingdom locked down frenzy in L Guk for like a week straight, they were made to relinquish.

IIRC there is something about a guild cant be sitting on a camp for more than 24 hours

That may have been a one time decision

Guilds should not be able to prevent other players from going to an area by holding down a camp that drops an item that gives access to that area. I bet they have several copies of that spell for their necros. All theyre doing now is preventing other guilds from going there and competing for mobs. Imagine being so selfish and petty that you re going to prevent other people from even going to those islands. Also preventing all necromancers from reaching their full potential.

[mcoy]

Excuse my ignorance but what spell / camp is this? Just curious.

-Mcoy

[Arteker]

comes to my mind, circlet mof shadows camp and others in kunark:D

[Shanetarin]

Excuse my ignorance but what spell / camp is this? Just curious.

-Mcoy

Summon Corpse from The Ishva Mal in paw. 36 hour spawn, doesn't always drop the spell. Currently the way to bypass the keying system in Plane of Sky, which I highly doubt was the classic intent and use of the spell. But here we are 20 years later.

[HalflingSpergand]

Aw poor babies

[mcoy]

Summon Corpse from The Ishva Mal in paw. 36 hour spawn, doesn't always drop the spell. Currently the way to bypass the keying system in Plane of Sky, which I highly doubt was the classic intent and use of the spell. But here we are 20 years later.

Wow that's a lot of coffins...

-Mcoy

[BenDerisgreat]

Excuse my ignorance but what spell / camp is this? Just curious.

-Mcoy

Splitpaw Ishva camp - spell: summon corpse

Theyre going to be summoning keyless guildies to island 4+ while the rest of us fight for a limited number of keys. It ll be weeks until anyone is able to go to those islands.

[BenDerisgreat]

Wow that's a lot of coffins...

-Mcoy

Didnt see someone beat me to it... what he said!

[Videri]

Folks, people have tried all methods of getting the camp that are permissible under the server rules. Players have attempted to resolve the situation without requiring GM intervention, but all negotiations have been ignored. Petitions are in and we are awaiting GMs' decision.

In the meantime, please behave yourselves.

[Jauna]

might as well get rid of guilds at this point.

GM controlled mega guild for raid targets, /random loot
pugs everywhere else

[Hotel]

Folks, people have tried all methods of getting the camp that are permissible under the server rules. Players have attempted to resolve the situation without requiring GM intervention, but all negotiations have been ignored. Petitions are in and we are awaiting GMs' decision.

In the meantime, please behave yourselves.

cringe

[BenDerisgreat]

cringe

Even cringier

[Hotel]

Even cringier

im attractive irl

nothing i do is capable of cringe

[Trexller]

might as well get rid of guilds at this point.

GM controlled mega guild for raid targets, /random loot
pugs everywhere else

[Kohedron]

You all "enjoy" and "want" instancing (quotations because clearly you don't), so here you go.

[Trexller]

This really is a matter for GMs / petition forum, and its likely they will solve it. I imagine they are discussing it currently.

Its not the first time a guild has sat on a camp and rotated people in and out for days and weeks, it was addressed then, it will be addressed again soon.

Having said that when are you people gonna transcend the "We cant do it because they are doing it" type of threads, its endless.

PVE means PVE. Player versus Environment. Other people are part of that environment. Instance servers exist elsewhere.

Raw reality: You saw someone run to the sandbox first, and then cry because they built a better sandcastle.

[Waedawen]

none of you motherfuckers really didn't play with TMO and the circlet of shadows bullshit during the first few weeks of kunark, huh

short answer: a bunch of fucking assholes with no lives are going to win. every time. because that's the name of the game. nothing entitles you to anything if they got 1) time and 2) allies

[Waedawen]

and since we're long long past the days of Uthgaard and Nilbog resolving disputes "just train them" is no longer an option. or is it?

[Trexller]

and since we're long long past the days of Uthgaard and Nilbog resolving disputes "just train them" is no longer an option. or is it?

Sure why not? just don't get caught!

[bbsmitz]

Rogean throwing a spanner in the works.

[Lothisu]

Could we make King Tranix a list camp as well since Lineage has it locked down?

[galach]

Not anymore.

[BenDerisgreat]

Could we make King Tranix a list camp as well since Lineage has it locked down?

Not having a tranix crown wont prevent you from competing in sky. Motion denied!

[Woke Locc]

and since we're long long past the days of Uthgaard and Nilbog resolving disputes "just train them" is no longer an option. or is it?

Necros are difficult to train

[Waedawen]

Necros are difficult to train

loser attitude

[Trexller]

Not anymore.

You've been Galached

Thanks for playing!

[Woke Locc]

loser attitude

Mean. I hope someone streams it. Good clacks.

[Nuggie]

Yea, this really isn't that big of a problem.

Yes, it's a bottleneck. But not insurmountable.

Waedawen coming and speaking some truths. On Blue there were camps held down for months(BDA and that HS key piece dropper in Loio), the CoS wasn't that big a deal. I was able to farm two lockets during the timeframe they were in. I suspect it will be a list camp and that won't be an option anymore this time around. Except there's no safe place to afk that doesn't keeps you away from aoe spells from the goblins. I also suspect there's going to be lots of afk people crying about their dieing.

@Galach - Is your comment towards Lineage holding Tranix camp or towards whoever is holding the Ishva Mal camp? Anyone else know?

[Trippy]

@Galach - Is your comment towards Lineage holding Tranix camp or towards whoever is holding the Ishva Mal camp? Anyone else know?

I imagine it's in relation to this :

"We've just done a quick reboot of the Splitpaw zone on Green. With this reboot we are implementing the following:

Spell: Summon Corpse is now a /list item. This will exist until Kunark. You must be a level 39 or higher Necromancer to join. You must not currently own the spell (Inventory or Scribed). The lockout is permanent. Anyone who has already looted the spell has been retroactively locked out.

Additionally, we are delaying the opening of the Plane of Sky until August 14th."

[Albanwr]

36 hour spawn /list camp, the item doesn't always drop. Enjoy.

[Jibartik]

This thread is asking for instanced zones basically lol ya'll are sick!

<dial a mob> recruiting.

[Coridan]

It's not asking for instanced, the camp rules don't let you just take camps from people so it's an abuse of the rules what they were doing effectively locking people out. List is a good option but they could have just said "highest dps gets the loot" too if they wanted that kind of competition.

[Waedawen]

It's not asking for instanced, the camp rules don't let you just take camps from people so it's an abuse of the rules what they were doing effectively locking people out. List is a good option but they could have just said "highest dps gets the loot" too if they wanted that kind of competition.

you mean like the actual rules of the game? the actual rules that verant and soe used?
yeah nah get fucked

[Videri]

you mean like the actual rules of the game? the actual rules that verant and soe used?

If this were a Verant/SOE server, GMs would have come and forced them to share the camp. The GMs would have been like:

yeah nah get fucked

[cd288]

you mean like the actual rules of the game? the actual rules that verant and soe used?
yeah nah get fucked

I was CSR. Dps race was not the rule we applied. The kill stealing rules once they were officially finalized were FTE for mobs that were not part of a camp for example

[Videri]

This thread is asking for instanced zones basically lol ya'll are sick!

<dial a mob> recruiting.

What would you have done if a guild was locking down a camp with 3-5 people 24/7 for weeks and not responding to tells asking to camp it next? This is not a rhetorical question. I'm curious if you have any ideas or are just acting like a forum tough-guy.

Never thought I'd be calling out my friend Jibartik.

[cd288]

I imagine it's in relation to this :

"We've just done a quick reboot of the Splitpaw zone on Green. With this reboot we are implementing the following:

Spell: Summon Corpse is now a /list item. This will exist until Kunark. You must be a level 39 or higher Necromancer to join. You must not currently own the spell (Inventory or Scribed). The lockout is permanent. Anyone who has already looted the spell has been retroactively locked out.

Additionally, we are delaying the opening of the Plane of Sky until August 14th."

Glad to see them cracking down on seal team

[Waedawen]

get fucking owned you no-life piece of shit seal teamers

[Waedawen]

also inb4 "yeah well we already got x copies of the spell"
you fucking losers literally mandated a rule change because you're so fucking lame

[Waedawen]

I M A G I N E the butthurt. too bad.

[DMN]

Hello mother, hello father.
Greetings from camp Hiawatha.
Coke is good here.
Crack is better.
I'm too fucked up to write this letter.

[quido]

Anyone else remember when the Locket of Escape was (mistakenly?) re-added to Chief RukGus loot with no announcement and the casual guild Divinity camped it 24 hours a day for like two or three months?

[BlackBellamy]

also inb4 "yeah well we already got x copies of the spell"
you fucking losers literally mandated a rule change because you're so fucking lame

this server is getting more away from classic every day

more fucking lists christ

if you don't get your pez you just fucking fall on the floor and die these days, this is what people are made of today

[billcrystals]

Lol at this guy above me trying to defend a guild blocking competition in PoSky this way. And then trying to suggest it's somehow more "classic"? You for real bro?

[cd288]

this server is getting more away from classic every day

more fucking lists christ

if you don't get your pez you just fucking fall on the floor and die these days, this is what people are made of today

I don't disagree with that to an extent. I would've preferred to have seen some fix added to prevent using this method in PoS because certainly that mechanic couldn't have been something the SOE devs intended to be used and I'm guessing it would have been declared an exploit and patched had it become widely used back in the day. However, I don't know how much work that would be for the P99 staff (or even if it's possible for them to do with their resources) so I would take this solution over no solution at all.

[Samaritan]

LOL @ the nerds throwing your life away for EQ pixels.

Gotta get ready for PoS (again), right babe?

[auura]

The people complaining "not classic": no one was fucking perma camping summon corpse 1-mo before sky bc no one had any idea sky was coming out, what it would be like, or that the spell was even necessary for the progression of large groups.

What's not classic is we have all this knowledge about what is going to happen and can react accordingly. Accordingly, changes need to be made to preserve the essence of classic - /lists are good for non-paid guides to enforce this.

[RecondoJoe]

It’s been this way for months. People make fun of TLP for having instances, but a lot of things on Green are worse than instanced content due solely to players exploiting the PNP. FBSS should have been a /list item, but it’s a little late for that now.

[Phaezed-Reality]

classic EQ is all about the most amount of time win's. however this is welfare99 and its whoever can cry the loudest. other than that, great server.

[Domo]

You think Vulak will become a /list camp one day on green?

[Phaezed-Reality]

i think we are headed for participation dragons in every aspect of the server if it keeps going this way.

[kaev]

classic EQ is all about the most amount of time win's. however this is welfare99 and its whoever can cry the loudest. other than that, great server.

Nah, classic EQ was all about whoever has the most fun wins. And sad losers spending 18 hours a day drooling over imaginary pixel victories are sad. Do try to enjoy your wall licking bruh.

[Phaezed-Reality]

the no lifers have always won, it's why classic everquest is a thing. there are certain aspects to the game that classic eq has that new games don't the time sink and non easy mode is one of them.

taking these things out of the game basically cheapens the classic feel of the server.

Whats next? rez/graveyards cause people don't want to spend time CRing?

[cd288]

I don’t mind the /list mechanic because plenty of items had a list back in the day that was player kept. And for the most part it worked well and people abided by it because trying to cut the line would mean you were kill stealing/camp stealing which CSR would have disciplined. /list mechanic creates basically the same situation without people having the ability to grief the player at the front and try and steal the mob/loot.

Trying to circumvent having the classic player kept list scenario by refusing to respond to anyone trying to get on a list at the camp and just rotating it among your guildies is BS and something that would have been addressed by CSR back in the day once the rules came out

[Coridan]

you mean like the actual rules of the game? the actual rules that verant and soe used?
yeah nah get fucked

Right because in 1999/2000 people knew that Summon Corpse would be tactically useful in the plane that hadn't released yet so they locked it down so no other guilds could get it.

[Domo]

in 1999/2000 people didnt know that killing Phinny will be needed for some epic quests, but yet top guilds farming it.

[kjs86z]

shits classic

consider blue

[jerryR]

classic EQ is all about the most amount of time win's

It still is ?? ith list camps taking as long as they do. It's just there are just too many people with unlimited time to allow the very first person to get 2nds, 3rds, 4ths and 5ths. Isn't that the real problem ? Insatiable greed, not whining

[RecondoJoe]

shits classic

consider blue

It’s not classic at all. You think 20 years ago that a mob of angry players are going to sit back and let the same group of players dominate the same camp indefinitely because they gave each other permission to do so?

I’ve heard Blue is even worse BTW.

[Nuggie]

Winning on P99 is about having fun with your pals(endorphin releases). Different people get that kick in different ways.

[Plaguu~]

Seal Team just wants to compete fairly guys!

https://i.imgur.com/u9djvaW.png

Sorry you couldn't realize your dream of becoming TMO.

[Nuggie]

and it was a contributing factor... heh. some assholes hoarding them. Dickhead move.

[Arvan]

Brad rolling over in his grave at the thought of this much crying over a lvl 39 spell in an emu of expansionless everquest

Rolls in grave laughing

[Nuggie]

Arvan, I like you. We can be Elf-pals.

[Lordgordon]

If you dont treat this game like a full time job, politely go fuck yourself.

[Swish]

It’s not classic at all. You think 20 years ago that a mob of angry players are going to sit back and let the same group of players dominate the same camp indefinitely because they gave each other permission to do so?

I’ve heard Blue is even worse BTW.

Cancel your subscription if you don't like it.

[Levlenna]

I don't disagree with that to an extent. I would've preferred to have seen some fix added to prevent using this method in PoS because certainly that mechanic couldn't have been something the SOE devs intended to be used and I'm guessing it would have been declared an exploit and patched had it become widely used back in the day. However, I don't know how much work that would be for the P99 staff (or even if it's possible for them to do with their resources) so I would take this solution over no solution at all.

You cannot levitate in POSky, you cannot gate or evac or port out from plane of sky, how about this: You can no longer use the spell: Summon Corpse in PoSky.

[cd288]

You cannot levitate in POSky, you cannot gate or evac or port out from plane of sky, how about this: You can no longer use the spell: Summon Corpse in PoSky.

Lol that works.

Or shit maybe don’t even make the change just yet. Tell everyone that if they use it to BS the raid zone then it will be prohibited from use. Maybe that’s enough of a threat and people are still allowed to summon corpses for legitimate purposes.

[Lostfaction]

It would be easier to make summon corpse only work on island 1...

[Fammaden]

Only need to disable it until Kunark really anyway. Would open the camp back up and force doing PoS as a real crawl not a plat sink corpse summon cheese crawl. Then again maybe the plat sink aspect is a good thing overall.

[N0tClassic]

Only need to disable it until Kunark really anyway. Would open the camp back up and force doing PoS as a real crawl not a plat sink corpse summon cheese crawl. Then again maybe the plat sink aspect is a good thing overall.

There is a precedent for changing items/spells that have trivialized content here before

Should do it now before the release of Sky

[Fammaden]

I would have been a much simpler and effective approach than /listing the camp. I said as much in the announcement thread nearly immediately.

I'd give them major props if this is a troll move though. Let Kingdom and ST grind themselves into the ground sitting necros at that camp then you show up to the first day of sky and....surprise the shit doesn't even work here now assholes.

[Snortles Chortles]

Whats next? rez/graveyards cause people don't want to spend time CRing?

/petition oops my corpse rotted PlS summon to EC spot thx

[Bardp1999]

P99 is the best custom server around, anyone know where to find a classic server?

[icedwards]

There's something incredibly off-putting about getting this sweaty over a spell that'll become obsolete day 1 of Kunark. May Rogean have mercy on all your souls.

[Nizilfkm]

Got to love the 'tards arguing this is "classic". Hey idiots, the server reset almost daily back then. It was impossible to hold camps 24/7 and even there was no play nice policy. It was straight up DPS race.

[cd288]

Got to love the 'tards arguing this is "classic". Hey idiots, the server reset almost daily back then. It was impossible to hold camps 24/7 and even there was no play nice policy. It was straight up DPS race.

It was not a dps race once the rules and guidelines were put in place

[Snortles Chortles]

unexpected downtime simulation would be sweet

[Babizul]

the no lifers have always won, it's why classic everquest is a thing. there are certain aspects to the game that classic eq has that new games don't the time sink and non easy mode is one of them.

taking these things out of the game basically cheapens the classic feel of the server.

Whats next? rez/graveyards cause people don't want to spend time CRing?

You're extremely delusional if you actually believe any part of EverQuest required any skill beyond the ability to read and more time spent staring at a screen doing literally nothing = skill.

Please go outside before you die at your desk laughing at niche memes posted in your guilds discord that even an 8 year old child wouldn't find funny while your shitty blocky elf bobs up and down in front of a wall in the background.

[Nizilfkm]

It was not a dps race once the rules and guidelines were put in place

You do know p99 was based on a game called Everquest sometimes referred to as "live" for short. And on live its always been dps race settles camp disputes since 1999........only here on p99 do they rules and guidelines for the peons anout camps. That same guild that had this camp locked down 24/7 is going to use their afk bots and hand off accounts like they did without repercussions on the other list camps.

[DMN]

You're extremely delusional if you actually believe any part of EverQuest required any skill beyond the ability to read and more time spent staring at a screen doing literally nothing = skill.

Please go outside before you die at your desk laughing at niche memes posted in your guilds discord that even an 8 year old child wouldn't find funny while your shitty blocky elf bobs up and down in front of a wall in the background.

I guess you've been here since 2012 and only played rogues in a group setting or something? just trying to puzzle out how you could make such an idiotic assertion with such confidence.

[Blingy]

I guess you've been here since 2012 and only played rogues in a group setting or something? just trying to puzzle out how you could make such an idiotic assertion with such confidence.

Now now now, he actually started playing in November 2011! How dare you claim he only played a rogue. I have it on good authority he actually played every class in the game. Never mind he never made it over level 4 on anything but a rogue but it's apparent he did play every class so an expert he is!

Ya see. Since this entire claim is on the internet it must be true! So there. :P

[pivo]

Got to love the 'tards arguing this is "classic". Hey idiots, the server reset almost daily back then. It was impossible to hold camps 24/7 and even there was no play nice policy. It was straight up DPS race.

I'm more surprised over this obsession is it classic enough or not. Who cares! As long as I enjoy the game...

[Caleb_Crawdad]

Not on a PvP server friends. I think everyone is ready for a PvP teams launch. It’s still mostly PvE, but you can round up friends to take back unknowing camps. Happy hunting!

[Babizul]

I guess you've been here since 2012 and only played rogues in a group setting or something? just trying to puzzle out how you could make such an idiotic assertion with such confidence.

I have played almost every class to level 50+ At least once since around February of 2000. Although I hardly see why that matters or what point you’re trying to make other than that you yourself have brain damage lmfao.

[pivo]

Not on a PvP server friends. I think everyone is ready for a PvP teams launch. It’s still mostly PvE, but you can round up friends to take back unknowing camps. Happy hunting!

This sounds very interesting!

[cd288]

You do know p99 was based on a game called Everquest sometimes referred to as "live" for short. And on live its always been dps race settles camp disputes since 1999........only here on p99 do they rules and guidelines for the peons anout camps. That same guild that had this camp locked down 24/7 is going to use their afk bots and hand off accounts like they did without repercussions on the other list camps.

Oh yeah what do I know; what does a former CSR know about EQs rules? I believe raids were the only content that was DPS race once the live PnP was put in place where it became FTE for normal content. I personally issued multiple bans and suspensions for repeat offenders who kill stole after someone else had FTE. You are incorrect

[Bigsham]

no camps on aradune can kill steal anything you want !

instances and dragon loot for everyone!

nagafen spawns 10x a day ! Hurray !

[DMN]

I have played almost every class to level 50+ At least once since around February of 2000. Although I hardly see why that matters or what point you’re trying to make other than that you yourself have brain damage lmfao.

Oh, I see the disconnect here. You lack any EQ skills and yet still manage to "play it".