Weapon dps and dual weild

[arh555]

Hey all-

Can someone give me a refresher on how this works, or link me to the appropriate information?

My two weapons:
Sainy's Claw: Delay 19, Damage 6
Sainy's Singing Dagger: Delay 22, Damage 7

My questions: which has the higher dps, which should be used in mainhand, which in offhand, and why?

Thanks!

[Sharkeye]

The claw has higher dps and should be in main hand unless you are a rogue...

[quellren]

He's a bard, hence the Sainy's weapons.

Use the best ratio in the main hand for best dmg modifier and thus best DPS
Use the faster weapon in the offhand for more swings.

[Flavor]

He's a bard, hence the Sainy's weapons.

Use the best ratio in the main hand for best dmg modifier and thus best DPS
Use the faster weapon in the offhand for more swings.

you have this backwards ...

fastest in MH to take advantage of flat damage bonuses being added more frequently (generally, but there are exceptions).

best ratio in offhand.

[Kika Maslyaka]

do bards get damage bonus?

BTW to find a DPS ratio of a weapon divide delay by dmg
So 6/19 weapon is = 0.315
7/22 weapon is = 0.318

the dagger is a tiny bit better :D

[nicemace]

do bards get damage bonus?

BTW to find a DPS ratio of a weapon divide delay by dmg
So 6/19 weapon is = 0.315
7/22 weapon is = 0.318

the dagger is a tiny bit better :D

just to be pedantic. you mean divide the dmg by the delay :P

[Kika Maslyaka]

err yeah :D

Just wanted to say that on the server I played on LIVE 99% of people always listed weapons as Dmg/Dly, , which is identical to how you calc the DPS

However I have seen some other servers using reverse notation of Dly/Dmg, and diving this way too, in which case smaller number means more dmg
so 19/6 = 3.16 and 22/7= 3.14

which usually causes confusion between people who got used to different notations =)

[Supaskillz]

Holding constant ratio and/or procs lower delay in primary slot is better. The reason for this is that primary weapons receive a dmg bonus that is independent of weapon's stats. Although I believe this does not set in until around lvl 30 and increases as you get higher level.
With that in mind generally you want low delay in primary hand, but don't put a much worse ratio in primary slot just to lower the delay a bit since your primary will still be swinging each time and not have to check on your dw skill.


In your case I would primary the 6/19. unless of course you are a rogue then things are more complicated.

[arh555]

Thanks for the info everyone.

[quellren]

you have this backwards ...

fastest in MH to take advantage of flat damage bonuses being added more frequently (generally, but there are exceptions).

best ratio in offhand.

You're right, I didn't proofread. That's what I get for posting while watching a movie.

[lanystvyl]

I always thought that you need to have the low delay in the off-hand so you will swing more with it? am i wrong?

[Supaskillz]

I always thought that you need to have the low delay in the off-hand so you will swing more with it? am i wrong?

While it is true that you will swing more often with a lower delay weapon in your offhand the same is true for your primary slot. Both slots will try to swing as often as the delay+haste will allow them(of course your offhand will not swing with probability 1 like your primary). The difference is that your primary weapon receives a damage bonus, which makes swinging more often with your primary weapon a good thing, but for your offhand all that matters is ratio.

[Klabauter]

Love, how this gets more confusing with every post :)

The skill description on p99-wiki reads: "Each weapon has its speeds calculated individually. " Sounds to me, as if it doesn't matter at all. Wrong?

[Kika Maslyaka]

everything is crystal clear to me....

what to put where depends on what you have to choose from.
If you dual wielding Lammis - not much choice here :D

[Knuckle]

Low Delay mainhand = more swings offhand because your dual wield check goes off more often.

[Supaskillz]

Low Delay mainhand = more swings offhand because your dual wield check goes off more often.

wrong

[Kika Maslyaka]

Low Delay mainhand = more swings offhand because your dual wield check goes off more often.

off hand is NOT connected to main hand in anyway... after 11 years you would think people would memorize this fact...

[Knuckle]

fuck you im right you are wrong. Sarnak status bitches, shitting on every post below mine.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Love, how this gets more confusing with every post :)

The skill description on p99-wiki reads: "Each weapon has its speeds calculated individually. " Sounds to me, as if it doesn't matter at all. Wrong?

This is correct, until you factor in the main hand damage bonus. You want that bonus applied as much as possible during a fight, so lower delay = more hits during a given period of time = higher additional DPS from damage bonus

That is why people say lowest delay belongs in main hand. Now, when you figure in haste, there are diminishing returns the lower your delay is.

TL;DR - parse it.

[Kika Maslyaka]

fuck you im right you are wrong. Sarnak status bitches, shitting on every post below mine.

yeah I agree, Sarnaks have fuck-shit for a brain :cool:

[baalzy]

Put a instrument in that main hand and DoT the mob, then go pull another.

Melee? Bard? Psh.

[soup]

The rule of thumb of "Fastest in MH, bets ratio in OH" is absolutely correct, but there are exceptions.

For one, damage bonus doesn't even exist until level... 30ish? Before that the fastest in MH is nearly pointless, and you would want the best ratio in MH. After 30, you might still find situations where the fastest in MH isn't the best idea. For example, if you have one weapon with an absolutely amazing ratio, and another weapon that's slightly faster with a much worse ratio, you might want to put the better ratio in the MH (depends on what the numbers in question are as well as your level)

But, the rule of thumb will serve you well for most situations. Fastest in main hand, best ratio in offhand.