Kyle Rittenhouse = Based God

[Topgunben]

Iran isnt smart enough to make a nuke ( That works )

Neither is north korea

I thought NK had nukes, just couldn't get them off the ground?

Either way, bowl cut Jr got scared shitless when trump said he had a bigger nuke button.

[aaezil]

The brains of the people posting in here should be preserved for scientific study. They will call it the regression of the homosapien mind back to that of homoerectus.

[Patriam1066]

Lol most citizens of iran don't even think the regime should have a nuke. Main reason being that the iranian regime is fuckin insane.

It's like arguing that since trained, licensed pilots can fly commercial jumbo jets, why can't I?? This is unfair!

Haha, I don’t think Iran should have a nuke. Nor should a 17 year old patrol the streets with a gun. They are categorically different, but both would be dumb. I think the point I was making was missed

There are limits to what weaponry people or entities can wield. Also, violence is immoral, mostly because death is final

I’m done though, I will never agree that Kyle had any right to patrol the streets of a city where he doesn’t live at age 17. He can’t rent a car in this country, but he can post up on a street corner with a gun. I strongly disagree


As for Iran, 100 years of imperialism, including the toppling of a democratic government and the use of chemical weapons against civilians. Iran’s government is evil, but their paranoia is legitimized by horrific action taken against them PRIOR to the formation of the current regime

[Patriam1066]

Doesn’t matter, Israel would never let Iran get a nuke. Iran has enough good people that they’d sabotage their own nuclear program continuously in order to see the nation one day be free (more free at least) than it currently is

[Wutaan]

Iran isnt smart enough to make a nuke ( That works )

Neither is north korea

Heh, Iran has one of the largest non-arab'd population of the original assorted tribes of Israel (where white people distinctly evolved as the planet warmed). Unfortunately the Ottomans genocided the last pure original tribe but the people there (especially during the Islamic golden age) did a lot for the advancement of our species.

[Spergand]

The brains of the people posting in here should be preserved for scientific study. They will call it the regression of the homosapien mind back to that of homoerectus.

Evolution not real, science broken

[Wutaan]

I was born greater than u. sorry you have bad genes I guess.

The funny thing is, I am very socially liberal but only toward my people. I will not take food out of my childrens mouth or any of my brothers families mouth to coddle 1,000,000/6,000,000,000 people who live in destitute situations. The hard truth is only Europeans have stable, safe and prosperous countries at the moment (ofc Japan, Korea etc) and I don't mean any disrespect to any "non-white" but that's how life is. I woke up a long time ago and I don't plan on robbing my children of the life I had and I am noticing a social paradigm shift of like minded people that are realizing how self-destructive political correctness is. The people that are waking up are seeing there is a collective subversive strategy happening right now against Europeans and a lot of these people aren't European but they realized we overwhelmingly fought FOR people throughout history.

The semites have enslaved blacks in their North African empires for thousands of years, who fought for their liberation? Europeans. I could go on but I have shit to do and yall get the point.

[Pretzelle]

The funny thing is, I am very socially liberal but only toward my people. I will not take food out of my childrens mouth or any of my brothers families mouth to coddle 1,000,000/6,000,000,000 people who live in destitute situations. The hard truth is only Europeans have stable, safe and prosperous countries at the moment (ofc Japan, Korea etc) and I don't mean any disrespect to any "non-white" but that's how life is. I woke up a long time ago and I don't plan on robbing my children of the life I had and I am noticing a social paradigm shift of like minded people that are realizing how self-destructive political correctness is. The people that are waking up are seeing there is a collective subversive strategy happening right now against Europeans and a lot of these people aren't European but they realized we overwhelmingly fought FOR people throughout history.

The semites have enslaved blacks in their North African empires for thousands of years, who fought for their liberation? Europeans. I could go on but I have shit to do and yall get the point.

Colonialism is one hell of a drug

[BlackBellamy]

Colonialism is one hell of a drug

It's the best! European colonialism is a direct descendent of Greek colonialism, which began as early as 800 BC in Thrace and Illyria. That fine tradition was then carried on by the Romans, by their later incarnations not so much, but then the Europeans revived it in style.

The best thing about Greek-style colonialism is how awesomely beneficial it is. It promotes trade, allows culture transfer, spreads knowledge and strengthens the gene pool through intermarriage. It's also very liberal in nature, allowing the native populations to co-exist in peace.

Imagine how awful it would have been for all those tumultuous regions to suffer modern calamities without having a modern infrastructure to deal with it! Thank the colonizers who traveled to far-away hostile lands to spread a little civilization here and there.

https://imgur.com/wJIDOw6.jpg

"Todo va a estar bien ahora(Everything is going to be all right now)" - oil on canvas, 1553

[Gwaihir]

Thomas Hobbes was absolutely, unequivocally correct.

"Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of war, where every man is enemy to every man, the same consequent to the time wherein men live without other security than what their own strength and their own invention shall furnish them withal. In such condition there is no place for industry... no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."

The current incarnation of the left is to regress humanity to their "natural state", anything less is "oppressive" and hallmark of "white supremacy"

[Pretzelle]

Thomas Hobbes was absolutely, unequivocally correct.

"Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of war, where every man is enemy to every man, the same consequent to the time wherein men live without other security than what their own strength and their own invention shall furnish them withal. In such condition there is no place for industry... no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."

The current incarnation of the left is to regress humanity to their "natural state", anything less is "oppressive" and hallmark of "white supremacy"

What are you babbling about?

[Woke Locc]

What are you babbling about?

He thinks defunding the police is a bad idea

[Gwaihir]

Yep. Allowing roaming mobs of lawless degenerates, and clamoring for dismantling of law and order (for their group only; let's not forget they're quick to run to the "Law" when they get shot while aggressing the rest of the populace)

You're not going to find a lot of agreement that the US should be systematically restructured to resemble sub-saharan Africa; where thievery and barbarity is allowed, unless you piss off the "wrong people" and evoke being chained to a tire lit afire while wrapped around your body. Moral relativity being the root focus here. Who's to say tire-fire burnings enacted by the mob are any more or less moral than law and order?

[Woke Locc]

Yep. Allowing roaming mobs of lawless degenerates, and clamoring for dismantling of law and order (for their group only)

Interesting point about mr rittenhouse

[Gwaihir]

Interesting point about mr rittenhouse

Yep. Trial by combat.

[BlackBellamy]

https://imgur.com/ZU4bunn.jpg

If I put on a samurai outfit and go prevent damage to the local sushi joint, and I wind up slashing like three pedophiles across the throat and maybe putting an arrow or two into some wife-beating drug dealer, do you think I will be cancelled for cultural appropriation?

Or maybe it's a smart move, because then I can channel the discussion into why sushi was so much bigger during the Edo period rather than today. Do today's Japanese have smaller hands? Is that why the samurai died out? They couldn't handle the katana any more? I have six katanas from online but I have giant hands, I don't know.

[Gwaihir]

By the way, pretty sure Kyle is innocent by merit of the fact that he won his trial by combat in a state of law where the police were "defunded"...i.e not doing their job, because thier overlords told them not to do any policing since lawlessness is preferable.

Why are you all complaining about what happened? I would imagine scenarios such as these would be a rather common occurence in the utopia you envision; where there are no police and everyone is essentially left to police themselves without oversight.

People are inherently good, after all.

[douglas1999]

No see in utopia the cops will be replaced by... uhh, well, cops, but we'll just call them something else. Oh no somebody is trying to murder my wife and child! Call the social workers!

[Gwaihir]

No see in utopia the cops will be replaced by... uhh, well, cops, but we'll just call them something else. Oh no somebody is trying to murder my wife and child! Call the social workers!

How dare you propose there should be people authorized to oppress me!

I was just teaching them a valuable lesson on how to better be my wife and child! Who are you to impose your subjective moral judgements on me!

[Wutaan]

What are you babbling about?

Man I love old school writing. The way people used to write is truly amazing and testament to how far we have fallen.

For anyone that had anything to gain by societal chaos, social media has been their greatest weapon, back in the day the masses would have a smart man telling them how to think. Now they all think their opinion is valid and enthusiastically poison the well, as a species society will only dissolve until somehow betas and women are forced to logically debate their opinion without retreating into the internet ocean where other mentally-ill people can thumbs them up.

The world was much better, when they had to spout their beliefs in the flesh. The internet truly shook the establishment, our collective knowledge at the click of a button, obese neckbeards could access it AND get pixels simultaneously. Unfortunately, really dumb people think their opinion matters and will be influenced by social engineering to poison the well.

Then the internet spawned people like me, I could free the entire planet if freedom of speech existed on the internet.

[Gwaihir]

Man I love old school writing. The way people used to write is truly amazing and testament to how far we have fallen.

For anyone that had anything to gain by societal chaos, social media has been their greatest weapon, back in the day the masses would have a smart man telling them how to think. Now they all think their opinion is valid and enthusiastically poison the well, as a species society will only dissolve until somehow betas and women are forced to logically debate their opinion without retreating into the internet ocean where other mentally-ill people can thumbs them up.

The world was much better, when they had to spout their beliefs in the flesh. The internet truly shook the establishment, our collective knowledge at the click of a button, obese neckbeards could access it AND get pixels simultaneously. Unfortunately, really dumb people think their opinion matters and will be influenced by social engineering to poison the well.

Then the internet spawned people like me, I could free the entire planet if freedom of speech existed on the internet.


Exactly. We've come upon a time where children (in the mind) are insisting the world be "fair" (with a child's concept of what that word means)

[Wutaan]

He thinks defunding the police is a bad idea

I'll re-type this later, I have argued things like this so much that a lot of what I post is already pre-thought and my fingers can't keep up, when my brain is sprinting to the finish line of me calling you a sheep.

Police are killing us all
Military has stricter ROE to kill in war than the police do on Americans
Blacks commit more crime
get killed more per-capita because of above
they are killing us all
the media manipulated you dummies to make a cultural problem societies problem and wow big surprise
we are at each others throats not the source.

Pro-blm are the biggest fucking sheep
anti-blm are coping with their country turning to shit by blaming it on antifa/blm
guess who's laughing,
the politicians.

[Gwaihir]

What really cracks me up is how deep the masses swallowed the hook. Militarization of police is a legitimate issue, the fact that the Police have looser ROE than an actual military occupation during war is disgusting. The whole country was about to stand up and they noticed, suddenly a few thousand mentally ill children marching in the street turned a cultural problem (Blacks committing per capita more crime and in turn being murdered by police the most per-capita) into societies problem. The system is murdering everyone but the sheep on both sides have turned on each other instead of the source.

Majority of people are truly a flock of sheep that get herded.

Native Americans get killed by police more per-capita, than any other ethnic group, BTW. It's almost double that of AA.

[BlackBellamy]

7/26/1876 – Never Forget.

I wish it were true. I mean as if we're still angry for Custer.

Native Americans afaik are governed by Tribal police as a rule, no? Then they should leave the reservation and then they be getting killed at the proper rate that real Americans enjoy dying at.

[Woke Locc]

7/26/1876 – Never Forget.

I wish it were true. I mean as if we're still angry for Custer.

Native Americans afaik are governed by Tribal police as a rule, no? Then they should leave the reservation and then they be getting killed at the proper rate that real Americans enjoy dying at.

And tribal courts. Animist Sharia!!!

[BlackBellamy]

Man I love old school writing.

...mentally-ill people...

thumbs...up.



Best kind of writin' is folk writin'. Just you plainly tell the story as you heard it yesself, yessah. Like speakin' writin'. It's kindness to them's hearing it, to not get themselves all jumbled up and like. I remember a city feller, with his learnin' and his long winded tales, all speakin' down to us like we weren't capable of understandin' all his fancy talk.

We ate that feller and his post count. Gave his clothes to the chillums. All's a lesson to be learned. Ayup.

[Mota]

Native Americans afaik are governed by Tribal police as a rule, no?

Vast majority of native Americans don't live on tribal lands. It's same cops killing black folks that kill native Americans.

[douglas1999]

Focusing on when cops kill people if you purport to care about people dying is navel gazing at it's finest. Who gives a shit which ethnic group gets killed by police more? It almost never happens. Cops *get killed* by citizens like fifty billion times more often than the reverse, it just doesn't make for a sexy headline.

I'm a broken record at this point, but give police *more* funds not less, better and more extensive training and psychological screening, and have officer involved shootings investigated by a 3rd party. These three things alone would solve the majority of issues people have with police, but of course they will still occasionally kill people and idiots will still riot.

[Spergand]

There are some big Asians.

[Wutaan]

Colonialism is one hell of a drug

Colonialism is one hell of a drug

Tbh the Americas were aggressively taken and the Amerindians were actually replaced. In North America at least but to be fair they savagely fought back but in the end guess who has the ability to spend their free monies at a store with a fully stocked beer cooler during the winter. Around this time of year they would be indiscriminately murdering each other for resources for the winter. I would say they are much better off, Africans never fought back at the scale the Amerindians did and they made out pretty well from European colonization with all the infrastructure that was built. Proven by Africas explosive population boom.

The Spanish were much less authoritarian with their colonies in South America and we both know the answer on which side of the equator you would live on. At this present time the fact of life is Europeans keep the way of life we live reality, the forced migration into our countries is unsurprisingly causing it to destabilize. Where will you go after? Asians are still proud of being Asian, doubt they will allow you to live there.

[Baler]

https://i.imgur.com/MZOnBHc.jpg

[Wutaan]

Cops *get killed* by citizens like fifty billion times more often than the reverse


This is incorrect and case in point about my previous statement of people poisoning the well with their opinion without caring of it's integrity aside from the fact it makes you feel good. Let me get something straight, I support police they do an extremely tough and dangerous job but not in my rural middle class zip code. Them showing up in full battle rattle to antagonize or showing up to standard calls hopped up on propaganda videos of mentally ill people murdering them could be negated by allowing unbiased statistical analysis.

IE; if they show up in a gang infested neighborhood for a domestic disturbance in battle rattle and on edge nobody is surprised, if they show up in my peaceful neighborhood in the same fashion it is simply negligent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OflGwyWcft8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R49P9TuFLOQ&has_verified=1&bpctr=1600889561

Responsible training and stress testing would be a start but most of their training includes videos like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4T4sWGsHMc

They are literally trained to fear the population and it is a tactic the authorities use to cause division between authority =/= civilian for them to more easily claim moral high ground. I don't care who you are, if you get backed into a corner there is the biological truth of fight or flight, in emotional distress even the most sane person could illogically resist the big unmercilles dick that is the due process of law.

[Wutaan]

By the way, pretty sure Kyle is innocent by merit of the fact that he won his trial by combat in a state of law where the police were "defunded"...i.e not doing their job, because thier overlords told them not to do any policing since lawlessness is preferable.

Why are you all complaining about what happened? I would imagine scenarios such as these would be a rather common occurence in the utopia you envision; where there are no police and everyone is essentially left to police themselves without oversight.

People are inherently good, after all.

I feel bad for the kid, his trial is going to be used for headlines if another one of prosecuting authorities in the clown show that are the Pedo trials need to be reminded of the script (https://www.complex.com/life/2020/07/federal-judge-son-shot-killed-at-family-home-by-man-dressed-as-delivery-driver). They have the ability to indefinitely drag this out since the footage of the first zombie who got shot isn't clear. We will get to hear a mountain of anecdotal evidence to proclaim this 17 year old kid is an ebil nazi.

Anecdotal evidence has already been used in our justice system to mass murder people who never had a physical link to their allegations. I could rant about the inorganic 'show' that is modern government indefinitely, they're all reality T.V stars, not just Trump.

[Gwaihir]

At least he didnt get raped tp death by rosenbaumwitzburg.

[douglas1999]

This is incorrect and case in point about my previous statement of people poisoning the well with their opinion without caring of it's integrity aside from the fact it makes you feel good. Let me get something straight, I support police they do an extremely tough and dangerous job but not in my rural middle class zip code. Them showing up in full battle rattle to antagonize or showing up to standard calls hopped up on propaganda videos of mentally ill people murdering them could be negated by allowing unbiased statistical analysis.

IE; if they show up in a gang infested neighborhood for a domestic disturbance in battle rattle and on edge nobody is surprised, if they show up in my peaceful neighborhood in the same fashion it is simply negligent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OflGwyWcft8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R49P9TuFLOQ&has_verified=1&bpctr=1600889561

Responsible training and stress testing would be a start but most of their training includes videos like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4T4sWGsHMc

They are literally trained to fear the population and it is a tactic the authorities use to cause division between authority =/= civilian for them to more easily claim moral high ground. I don't care who you are, if you get backed into a corner there is the biological truth of fight or flight, in emotional distress even the most sane person could illogically resist the big unmercilles dick that is the due process of law.

Well no, it is true. I may have been slightly hyperbolic with my phraseology. I don't think you and I are even disagreeing really. Again, bad police shoots are insanely, insanely uncommon period. Measures to reduce the already-tiny number of them I support, provided those measures don't make the job more dangerous than it already is. Maybe then we can address the other 99.9% of people getting killed by other people.

[Woke Locc]

Cops *get killed* by citizens like fifty billion times more often than the reverse, it just doesn't make for a sexy headline.


math checks out

[Wutaan]

Well no, it is true. I may have been slightly hyperbolic with my phraseology. I don't think you and I are even disagreeing really. Again, bad police shoots are insanely, insanely uncommon period. Measures to reduce the already-tiny number of them I support, provided those measures don't make the job more dangerous than it already is. Maybe then we can address the other 99.9% of people getting killed by other people.

Tbh, my feeling of police aggression is emotionally tainted, so I think you and me are on the same page if you can agree Police should be more adequately stress tested (They should have a more rigorous internship and some avenues for alternate paths to deter people who can't handle it but cope because they wasted 6 months of their life and have no other plan) and allowing the implementation of un-biased statistics be used (They are for the most part, I was being a bit melodramatic about my comment on police procedure in my area. They are all very involved and good people). There is really no 'solve all' but seeing things like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OflGwyWcft8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R49P...ctr=1600889561
really make me sick, I hope they all go to prison for murder.

The kind of ironic thing is, a unified protest against police ROE (not this race division bullshit) would have solved the whole ordeal by putting pressure on people who pursued that career and passively weeding out the manic applicants who think it might be fun to be a cop

[Googi]

I hope they all go to prison for murder.

They wont

Sorry you lost

[Baler]

Apple and Google team up to supply faces/identities of violent offenders during riots for authorities

[Patriam1066]

Apple and Google team up to supply faces/identities of violent offenders during riots for authorities

Source?

[BlackBellamy]

Source?

Google.

I mean Apple.

[Baler]

Frig I meant facebook and apple
*facepalm*

[douglas1999]

math checks out

Pretend you know what hyperbole is. As if I had provided the exact figure, you wouldn't still find a way to dispute it.

I'll put it to you again: Way more citizens are killed by other citizens than by cops. If you claim to care about human lives, how do you rationalize the overwhelmingly disproportionate focus and vilification of cops; who generally do not kill anyone unless they feel they are forced to. As opposed to say.... murderers, who kill people often for literally no reason at worst and a personal slight at best?

Total people killed in america annually: Big number.
Total people killed by cops in america annually: Small number

*scratches beard for 20 minutes*. Let's talk about the cops!

[Gwaihir]

Pretend you know what hyperbole is. As if I had provided the exact figure, you wouldn't still find a way to dispute it.

I'll put it to you again: Way more citizens are killed by other citizens than by cops. If you claim to care about human lives, how do you rationalize the overwhelmingly disproportionate focus and vilification of cops; who generally do not kill anyone unless they feel they are forced to. As opposed to say.... murderers, who kill people often for literally no reason at worst and a personal slight at best?

Total people killed in america annually: Big number.
Total people killed by cops in america annually: Small number

*scratches beard for 20 minutes*. Let's talk about the cops!

Don't forget, it's generally the convicts bolstering the ranks of those insisting we talk about the cops, to boot.

They're essentially espousing the same ideas you would expect to overhear in the prison yard, or a homeless encampment infested with heroin addicts.

[Wutaan]

Best kind of writin' is folk writin'. Just you plainly tell the story as you heard it yesself, yessah. Like speakin' writin'. It's kindness to them's hearing it, to not get themselves all jumbled up and like. I remember a city feller, with his learnin' and his long winded tales, all speakin' down to us like we weren't capable of understandin' all his fancy talk.

We ate that feller and his post count. Gave his clothes to the chillums. All's a lesson to be learned. Ayup.

Keep on keeping on man, you're doing the lords work. I enjoy your posts a lot, people just don't understand what history can teach us

[Topgunben]

For those of you confused about the motive of Rittenhouse, this is worth watching. Hes not a kid aimlessly spraying bullets into a crowd of peaceful protesters. He was pursued, threatened and viciously attacked my a swarm of angry degenerates (separate from the peaceful BLM crowd). The kid had every reason to believe that he might end up beaten to death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=683&v=E4dhPM99i4I&feature=emb_logo&bpctr=1600903760

[Wutaan]

Pretend you know what hyperbole is. As if I had provided the exact figure, you wouldn't still find a way to dispute it.

I'll put it to you again: Way more citizens are killed by other citizens than by cops. If you claim to care about human lives, how do you rationalize the overwhelmingly disproportionate focus and vilification of cops; who generally do not kill anyone unless they feel they are forced to. As opposed to say.... murderers, who kill people often for literally no reason at worst and a personal slight at best?

Total people killed in america annually: Big number.
Total people killed by cops in america annually: Small number

*scratches beard for 20 minutes*. Let's talk about the cops!

Were you born in 99'? 89'er here and at your age I watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-9--axlGpo and after that I was obsessed with history.

[douglas1999]

Were you born in 99'? 89'er here and at your age I watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-9--axlGpo and after that I was obsessed with history.

I was born in 1984. I admit the novel might be creeping into me slightly.

(that link is 2 hrs long I'll need some time to digest it)

[Baler]

Those who do not read and understand history are doomed to repeat it.

[Spergand]

Well history is very manipulated so don't get too excited. What you think history will say about this fake pandemic

[Wutaan]

I was born in 1984. I admit the novel might be creeping into me slightly.

(that link is 2 hrs long I'll need some time to digest it)

Its a interesting listen but isn't worth the 2 hour investment in my opinion. I cross referenced everything he said and the man is a walking history book. You have the right mentality and speaking from someone who has invested more time than I care to admit of my life into the semantics of the who, what and why, I can tell you it really doesn't matter much.

knowing the semantics of the why is irrelevant and often leads to alienation. Luckily I am really charismatic because I understand there are limits and people have illogical emotional blocks. Smart people who don't care and explain the degeneration of society are much more valuable.

I was just noting that this video planet seeds in my head that had to be wired.

[Wutaan]

Well history is very manipulated so don't get too excited. What you think history will say about this fake pandemic

Do you think the old testament is about a 4th dimensional being?

[Spergand]

A person could say that

[BlackBellamy]

A person could say that

People say that history is written by the winners. I disagree.

"But I do not see how men can prove themselves by overcoming feeble opponents!" - Flavius Josephus, 75 AD.

After the histories are written, the losers are enhanced, made more fearsome, stronger, faster, better. The Nazis become literal supermen. Run, Tigers!

When our story is written the virus, or The Virus, will assume titanic proportions and our struggle will be heroic and epic. We, the many, will have sacrificed all so that a few could go on. The images (https://imgur.com/hiedi6Q.jpg) of prisoners volunteering to dig mass graves for our viral heroes will be forever indelible in the hippocampus.

Let our shared sacrifice and comradeship be an inspiration to all people, now and in the future forward forever!

[Spergand]

Like going to the moon is history. Let that sink in

[Googi]

We never went to the moon

[Spergand]

No shit. And it continues to be shoved down kids throats cause parents are too fat lazy and stupid to say no and pull them from gov day care. Member that jokethe space shuttle hoe fuckin gay is that thing

[douglas1999]

Why can't see star in moon gif??

[Blingy]

Well history is very manipulated so don't get too excited. What you think history will say about this fake pandemic

So Seattle has what's called the underground tour. It's a great tourist trap thing with a bit of history thrown in. Part of the tour goes into the Spanish Flu (1918-1920) and what things were like then. When my kids and I took the tour (a little over a year ago) as part of their history class our tour guide was an actual historian with a history degree. She was very knowledgeable about various things. Anyway somebody asked about specifics concerning the flu, death rate, masks, etc. She didn't have a breakdown for the deaths and whatnot but there were several pictures along the tour of people wearing masks, tidbits of info about life during the pandemic. After our tour we came home and started looking at various things concerning the flu.

Population of USA at the time was 103,000,000

Death toll for the Spanish flu was 675,000; over an 18 month period. Surprisingly this thing hit the 20-40 year old demographic pretty hard; with 30 year olds getting the worst of it. So why were 30 year olds hit the hardest.

Not known at the time but has been studied recently is the role childhood nutrition plays in adult immune systems. Relevant NIH study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4889773/). Everybody knows and has heard about the 1930's great depression. Very few people know about the 2nd worst depression in US history (yes, even worse than the 2008 crash) started in May 1893. This meant a lot of expectant mothers and young children had very poor nutrition for a couple years. Fast forward to 1918 and all those young kids are now adults with poor immune systems. People born in the late 1830's through mid 1840's are now civil war vets; this demographic gets hit very hard also. Finally the very young are hit hard as well; ie, very weak immune system that can't fight this thing off.

Although some people today are nutritionally deficient even the worst off are in better overall shape than the average person in the 1890's. This isn't to say people aren't dying or getting wrecked because of this virus but perspective is a hell of a drug.

[Spergand]

Theres no pandemic

[Googi]

Blingy our amazing population success is the result of genetic modification of food, both carbohydrates and animals, both antibiotic and growth hormones that allowed us to produce 100x more food, as a result our population is spiraling out of control and we have no way to stop it.

Apparently if they can afford to idiots will just keep breeding. They dont know what it was like in the past where people were so poor their kids grew up malnutritioned, now kids just play video games till they are 35 then eat hormone pills then go to nursing school or pretend to join the military.

Life is a big joke to them now

[Castle2.0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4dhPM99i4I

11-min to get the full (fuller?) scoop. Wow. What a guy and what a story. He cleaned up the street (literally/metaphorically) of trash (literally/metaphorically) - good for him.

He is going to walk and he deserves to.

[douglas1999]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4dhPM99i4I

11-min to get the full (fuller?) scoop. Wow. What a guy and what a story. He cleaned up the street (literally/metaphorically) of trash (literally/metaphorically) - good for him.

He is going to walk and he deserves to.

The following content has been identified by the YouTube community as inappropriate or offensive to some audiences.

[BlackBellamy]

I UNDERSTAND AND WISH TO PROCEED.

[Googi]

Yea they put that warning there for good reason, lots of bad stuff going on all across america

you guys wonder if people in other boring countries like CANADA or EUROPE sit here and watch our videos?

[douglas1999]

Videos that don't tell me I am the best human alive on a 24\7 morphine drip are highly offensive to me. I believe that I am a bonifide member of the "youtube community" due to my highly sarcastic semi-annual commenting using burner google accounts, and as such represent "some audience". I can't sarcastically speak legalise any harder right now so I'll show myself out.

[Spergand]

Great post, u guys gotta bunch of faggots too tho right. We have kyle on the case at least

[Patriam1066]

Blingy our amazing population success is the result of genetic modification of food, both carbohydrates and animals, both antibiotic and growth hormones that allowed us to produce 100x more food, as a result our population is spiraling out of control and we have no way to stop it.

Apparently if they can afford to idiots will just keep breeding. They dont know what it was like in the past where people were so poor their kids grew up malnutritioned, now kids just play video games till they are 35 then eat hormone pills then go to nursing school or pretend to join the military.

Life is a big joke to them now

I lol’ed at the triple dunk on Maerilith

[Patriam1066]

Europe is a country? Are you retarded? Spain, portugal, netherlands and england conquered what is now called the USA. Not europe, just those 4 countries. Play sid meiers colonization if you are too dumb to read books
Usa with its laughable 200 yr history thinks they rule the world.
Whats your oldest building? Do you have any pride in your history?

You let buildings rott and you are ashamed of history. European countries stand proud, having castles from 1000 years ago still standing, not ashamed of their violent history.
but you soy bois cry about not enough disabled and black and women shown in movies. Pathtetic cunts. US will fall if you allow these faggot leftists to maintain power

Turkey is currently dicking all of Europe and you’re doing nothing. Only macron has balls and he’s married to skeletor, SAD!

[Woke Locc]

Europe is a country? Are you retarded?

Kinda?

[Gwaihir]

Do you think the old testament is about a 4th dimensional being?

No. I think the Old Testament is a story about Elohim's creation, and Yahweh's subcreation, and how Israel constantly forsook Elohim, for immediate gratification granted by Yahweh/Saturn/Cronos/Set/Yaldabaoth.

Read the names of God translation of the Bible and ask yourself why the creation account is detailed twice, in Gen 1 and Gen 2, and why different names are used for Elohim and Yahweh, and then cross reference that with the same nomenclature switcherino in Psalms 22, as well as the tricky language used to delineate parentage of Cain, Abel, and Seth in Gen 4, and which name the first fruits/flock were blood-sacrificed to, and which name Christ called out in Matthew 27:46, and how that relates to the statment made in John 8:44 and Gen 3:15, but what do i gno...

[Viscere]

Turkey is currently dicking all of Europe and you’re doing nothing. Only macron has balls and he’s married to skeletor, SAD!

Since erdogan stood down after EU's threats, not sure how TR is dicking the EU?

It's an authoritarian country that recently had a coup, jailed journalists in mass and still is butthurt for getting dunked by the EU for not letting them in

[BlackBellamy]

Europe is a country? Are you retarded? Spain, portugal, netherlands and england conquered what is now called the USA. Not europe, just those 4 countries. Play sid meiers colonization if you are too dumb to read books
Usa with its laughable 200 yr history thinks they rule the world.
Whats your oldest building? Do you have any pride in your history?

You let buildings rott and you are ashamed of history. European countries stand proud, having castles from 1000 years ago still standing, not ashamed of their violent history.
but you soy bois cry about not enough disabled and black and women shown in movies. Pathtetic cunts. US will fall if you allow these faggot leftists to maintain power

We rule the world because we have 11 fleet carriers, 66 nuclear submarines, and enough bombers and missiles to turn your sky black, then white, then yellow, then orange and finally back to black.

We don't give a fuck about your decrepit castles because we don't live in the past. I'm sure your people bravely fought for glory before they turned into a continent of useless cowards; if you look hard past the mosque you can see some moss-covered rock proclaiming how great the Habsburgs are.

What makes a nation?

Borders.

Does the EU have internal borders?

No.

Does the EU have external borders?

Yes.

So Europe is a country.

I know you don't like to think so, but you can go complain to Germany about it. Let us know if you need help, I heard the Germans don't like complainers. We're glad to help out, we did it before a couple of times. That last time especially, since you'd be speaking Russian if we didn't.

https://imgur.com/GoCgcsh.jpg

Pictured above - General Eisenhower waving to the troops after destroying the Nazis with Facts & Logic.

[Viscere]

European Union : The European Union (EU) is a group of 27 countries that operates as a cohesive economic and political block.

sorry

Islam is not a country also fyi

[BlackBellamy]

That's just EU propaganda.

Functionally you're a nation. You have a parliament with the power to supersede state decisions, and you have external border controls.

Listen, it's no problem. We appreciate you turning into America, I believe a federal republic is the way to go! Now that you have your little Washington DC in Brussels and stuff and your disobedient penurious states doing whatever, welcome to our world!

Also, in the USA, Islam like everything else is a race.

[Patriam1066]

Since erdogan stood down after EU's threats, not sure how TR is dicking the EU?

It's an authoritarian country that recently had a coup, jailed journalists in mass and still is butthurt for getting dunked by the EU for not letting them in

Turkey isn’t in Libya anymore?

[charmcitysking]

Europe is a country? Are you retarded? Spain, portugal, netherlands and england conquered what is now called the USA. Not europe, just those 4 countries. Play sid meiers colonization if you are too dumb to read books
Usa with its laughable 200 yr history thinks they rule the world.
Whats your oldest building? Do you have any pride in your history?

You let buildings rott and you are ashamed of history. European countries stand proud, having castles from 1000 years ago still standing, not ashamed of their violent history.
but you soy bois cry about not enough disabled and black and women shown in movies. Pathtetic cunts. US will fall if you allow these faggot leftists to maintain power

Imagine calling someone retarded and then thinking that, at any time or point in the history of the world, that North America was ever 'conquered'.

Yeah - only leftist faggots in America alright. How did Merkel's migrant integration policy work out for the Europeans? Lol

[BlackBellamy]

Since erdogan stood down after EU's threats, not sure how TR is dicking the EU?

It's an authoritarian country that recently had a coup, jailed journalists in mass and still is butthurt for getting dunked by the EU for not letting them in

Turkey is a stalwart NATO and US ally and their internal politics are a matter for their own people to decide. If you're unhappy with Erdoğan I don't think you'll be happy with the right-wing conservative bloc getting ready to replace him. You're going to see a little less religion but a lot more saber rattling. I would guess the same exact amount of jailed 'journalists' or PKK terrorists, whatever label fits.

[Woke Locc]

Changed my mind, the EU is a trade union with Chinese characteristics

[Spergand]

No. I think the Old Testament is a story about Elohim's creation, and Yahweh's subcreation, and how Israel constantly forsook Elohim, for immediate gratification granted by Yahweh/Saturn/Cronos/Set/Yaldabaoth.

Read the names of God translation of the Bible and ask yourself why the creation account is detailed twice, in Gen 1 and Gen 2, and why different names are used for Elohim and Yahweh, and then cross reference that with the same nomenclature switcherino in Psalms 22, as well as the tricky language used to delineate parentage of Cain, Abel, and Seth in Gen 4, and which name the first fruits/flock were blood-sacrificed to, and which name Christ called out in Matthew 27:46, and how that relates to the statment made in John 8:44 and Gen 3:15, but what do i gno...
What would be the motive for making this info hard for a commoner to understand. It cant be wrong to take the Bible at face value anyways. Wouldnt Jesus have said like guys the Bible is kind of misleading but he said take it as truth didnt he

[Googi]

what does this title mean based god?

[Googi]

Europe is a country? Are you retarded? Spain, portugal, netherlands and england conquered what is now called the USA. Not europe, just those 4 countries. Play sid meiers colonization if you are too dumb to read books
Usa with its laughable 200 yr history thinks they rule the world.
Whats your oldest building? Do you have any pride in your history?

You let buildings rott and you are ashamed of history. European countries stand proud, having castles from 1000 years ago still standing, not ashamed of their violent history.
but you soy bois cry about not enough disabled and black and women shown in movies. Pathtetic cunts. US will fall if you allow these faggot leftists to maintain power

Are you stupid ? None of those countries conqured us, you probably live in one of those stupid countries and read fake news schoolbooks and think you know stuff

Your people probably eat bark soup

[Gwaihir]

What would be the motive for making this info hard for a commoner to understand. It cant be wrong to take the Bible at face value anyways. Wouldnt Jesus have said like guys the Bible is kind of misleading but he said take it as truth didnt he

There is only one truth, one way, and one life.

Adherence to the commandments doesn't provide salvation. This was made pretty clear. Salvation is given by grace; not earned.

All of the Old Testament is merely outlining the guidelines by which the only Christ would live a full life without transgressing.

Hope this helps.

Seek Christ.

[auura]

Pardon my interruption of this discourse amongst such a fine collection of intellectuals, but I thought I would bring the conversation back to the topic at hand as the justice system has begun to move.

Rittenhouse was charged with murder today and will be treated as an adult. Looking forward to the comments from the "lAw aNd oRdEr" crowd when the same is applied to their Incel King.

[douglas1999]

Pesky detail: he didn't commit murder

Also lol that "law and order" is actually considered, like, bad or something by literally anyone. Go live in syria or somewhere if you're so against the idea.

[Spergand]

Pardon my interruption of this discourse amongst such a fine collection of intellectuals, but I thought I would bring the conversation back to the topic at hand as the justice system has begun to move.

Rittenhouse was charged with murder today and will be treated as an adult. Looking forward to the comments from the "lAw aNd oRdEr" crowd when the same is applied to their Incel King.

U sound mad

[auura]

Pesky detail: he didn't commit murder

Also lol that "law and order" is actually considered, like, bad or something by literally anyone. Go live in syria or somewhere if you're so against the idea.

Ah the first idiot steps up to the plate.

As to your first comment: the answer to the question of whether he committed murder has not yet been determined by the trier of fact in our system of law and order, which is not you.

The above goes to your second comment: cons have morphed the phrase "law and order" to mean each person has the ability and right to enforce law and order.

Kyle can make a determination that a protest is not lawful and orderly and go execute protestors.

People protesting in the street can be run over as they are breaking the law of blocking a roadway. And idiots on the internet can make determination that they have the right to be judge, jury and executioner and support a police force who does the same.

The real system of law and order is stepping up and saying not the case, here's your murder charge. Maybe the hypocrisy went over you, but that system is the one I support. I don't want fat idiots strapping up with AKs roaming the streets, nor does anyone who supports a democracy.

[auura]

U sound mad

Naw, I'm pretty excited and happy to see this guy roast lol.

By the way make sure to donate to his cause quick so he can post bail (a program most cons want to do away with, coincidentally) as Kyle doesn't look like the type of guy who would fair well in prison (without his guns, that is).

[Woke Locc]

Ah the first idiot steps up to the plate.

As to your first comment: the answer to the question of whether he committed murder has not yet been determined by the trier of fact in our system of law and order, which is not you.

The above goes to your second comment: cons have morphed the phrase "law and order" to mean each person has the ability and right to enforce law and order.

Kyle can make a determination that a protest is not lawful and orderly and go execute protestors.

People protesting in the street can be run over as they are breaking the law of blocking a roadway. And idiots on the internet can make determination that they have the right to be judge, jury and executioner and support a police force who does the same.

The real system of law and order is stepping up and saying not the case, here's your murder charge. Maybe the hypocrisy went over you, but that system is the one I support. I don't want fat idiots strapping up with AKs roaming the streets, nor does anyone who supports a democracy.

Good formatting but it was an extradition hearing

[Spergand]

Naw, I'm pretty excited and happy to see this guy roast lol.

By the way make sure to donate to his cause quick so he can post bail (a program most cons want to do away with, coincidentally) as Kyle doesn't look like the type of guy who would fair well in prison (without his guns, that is).

Excited to see roast? Ya thats mad look it up

[auura]

Thanks, perhaps I am behind the times - he was charged with murder some weeks ago. Was still excited to learn that today.

[Spergand]

There is only one truth, one way, and one life.

Adherence to the commandments doesn't provide salvation. This was made pretty clear. Salvation is given by grace; not earned.

All of the Old Testament is merely outlining the guidelines by which the only Christ would live a full life without transgressing.

Hope this helps.

Seek Christ.

Now im more confused. Did Jesus say the Bible was accurate to live by or that it was a complicated puzzle

[Spergand]

Thanks, perhaps I am behind the times - he was charged with murder some weeks ago. Was still excited to learn that today.

Fat nerd.

[Woke Locc]

Also lol that "law and order" is actually considered, like, bad or something by literally anyone. Go live in syria or somewhere if you're so against the idea.

They/them are referencing it as a Trump slogan. It's like ironic or something for Trumpers to support Rioting Rittenhouse in light of that.

[douglas1999]

Good lord, why do so many people who support these rioters seem psychotically evil? You're excited to see a kid go to prison for life when it hasn't even been determined that he committed murder? Your completely partisan blood lust is creepy as shit. To see the video of him attempting to retreat from a crowd of totally peaceful protesters peacefully throwing peaceful skateboards at his head and shooting peaceful guns of peace *before* he fired any shots, and characterize what he did as "executing" anyone is so insanely delusional and absurd.

Keep it up with the 4th grade name calling though, it's very compelling and makes you look very mature. I know it sucks and stuff, but you have to share this country with other people who think differently than you do. Not that a rigid ideologically conformist helltopia doesn't sound appealing, mind you.

[Woke Locc]

Good lord, why do so many people who support these rioters seem psychotically evil? You're excited to see a kid go to prison for life when it hasn't even been determined that he committed murder? Your completely partisan blood lust is creepy as shit.



Keep it up with the 4th grade name calling though, it's very compelling and makes you look very mature. I know it sucks and stuff, but you have to share this country with other people who think differently than you do.

[Baler]

George Floyd had fentanyl in his system.

Jacob Blake reached for a knife.

Breonna Taylor's drug dealing 'ex-boyfriend' Jamarcus Glover was wanted but they suspected he wasn't there so they performed a knocked warrent. They suspected he was using her home to stash his drug money.
Breonna Taylor's new boyfriend Kenneth Walker shot at police and when police returned fire taylor was hit in the hallway.


https://i.imgur.com/ekSxm6X.gif

The riots are based on lies.

[Blingy]

Oh wow. Up until now I've been enjoying the debate. Even those I disagree with have my respect. In walks auura and my how things have changed.

[auura]

Oh wow. Up until now I've been enjoying the debate. Even those I disagree with have my respect. In walks auura and my how things have changed.

What debate? If you referring to the cons and incels coming together for this circle jerk of a thread to celebrate their fat king and cry over his ill-treatment as "a debate" then I can see how my post was a rude interruption (not that I would have suspected otherwise). As far as your respect, I am not sure if you have much to be giving out, so I forgive you for not sharing it with me.

And to some other person who asked if I want Kyle to rot in jail without having been found guilty yet - of course not, I am a law and order person, remember. I want the trial first and I want it broadcasted on TV so I can enjoy it with a mediocre bottle of wine and a high quality bottle of lotion.

[Spergand]

Haha tv made u mad

[auura]

Haha tv made u mad

This is the third response of yours where you attempt to project your own feelings onto me. Case in point, this quote from you which I found with a 5 second search:

Spergand: If you ever don't have a firearm on your person you are probably a pedophile rapist. Straight up

If either of us has been warped by media, I would wager it is you, lol.

[Pretzelle]

George Floyd had fentanyl in his system.

Jacob Blake reached for a knife.

Breonna Taylor's drug dealing 'ex-boyfriend' Jamarcus Glover was wanted but they suspected he wasn't there so they performed a knocked warrent. They suspected he was using her home to stash his drug money.
Breonna Taylor's new boyfriend Kenneth Walker shot at police and when police returned fire taylor was hit in the hallway.


https://i.imgur.com/ekSxm6X.gif

The riots are based on lies.

Is this China? Does drug use mean a death sentence now?

[Baler]

Is this China? Does drug use mean a death sentence now?
Your statement is wildly inappropriate and only meant to sensationalize. Thus diverging from the truth.

I believe you're referring to floyd, He was resisting arrest while high on a substance and this can be seen in video footage.
The ex-officer with the knee on his neck did murderer floyd and that ex-officer has been charged with murder.
The ex-officer's wife even divorced him and received numerous death threats against herself and family.

The ex-officer and floyd worked together as bouncers at a local club that had known issues with counterfeit money being passed off. Police were called when floyd tried to pass off a counterfeit $20 bill.
Now @Pretzelle if you want to speak about facts in a civil way I'd be happy to discuss more.

[Pretzelle]

Your statement is wildly inappropriate and only meant to sensationalize. Thus diverging from the truth.

I believe you're referring to floyd, He was resisting arrest while high on a substance and this can be seen in video footage.
The ex-officer with the knee on his neck did murderer floyd and that ex-officer has been charged with murder.
The ex-officer's wife even divorced him and received numerous death threats against herself and family.

The ex-officer and floyd worked together as bouncers at a local club that had known issues with counterfeit money being passed off. Police were called when floyd tried to pass off a counterfeit $20 bill.
Now @Pretzelle if you want to speak about facts in a civil way I'd be happy to discuss more.

Who cares if he was on Fentanyl? He was murdered because he tried to use a counterfeit bill? Why would you bring it up? How does that help your cause?

[Baler]

Who cares if he was on Fentanyl? He was murdered because he tried to use a counterfeit bill? Why would you bring it up? How does that help your cause?

Why are you being so emotional about this?
It matters that he was high on a substance because that means he was not in a clear state of mind.
I already said the ex-cop murdered him and was been found guilty.
You brought it up and twisted the factual information I provided.
I have no cause here, I'm here to discuss facts and truth.

If you can't refrain from getting emotional and are unwilling to discuss in a civil way please do not talk to me.

edit: By the way I understand where you're coming from and I will not stoop to giving you the answer you're looking for. You need to take time and do some deep thinking on how you view the world and why others don't automatically align to your point of view.

[Pretzelle]

Why are you being so emotional about this?
It matters that he was high on a substance because that means he was not in a clear state of mind.
I already said the ex-cop murdered him and was been found guilty.
You brought it up and twisted the factual information I provided.
I have no cause here, I'm here to discuss facts and truth.

If you can't refrain from getting emotional and are unwilling to discuss in a civil way please do not talk to me.

edit: By the way I understand where you're coming from and I will not stoop to giving you the answer you're looking for. You need to take time and do some deep thinking on how you view the world and why others don't automatically align to your point of view.
It sounds like you're the emotional one, snowflake. :o

[auura]

I don't speak for Baler, but suspect the majority of people who bring up the comment that he had drugs in his system do so for a couple reasons but generally to paint him as someone entirely at odds with upstanding members of society.

This would serve a tri-fold purpose: (1) getting regular people to believe that, even if he was murdered, he was a criminal (unlike regular people) so he had it coming; (2) to generally reduce any empathy from regular people by painting him as someone entirely different from them; and (3) most importantly, as Baler stated directly, to discredit the rationale behind the protests as being based on lies.

IE: "these people are protesting 'injustice' against criminals!!! As long as you aren't a criminal you won't suffer injustice and non-black criminals don't suffer discrimination by the police to any statistically significance (actually this part they can't show, but they claim, incorrectly, that it results from their accepted premises premises)."

In the same breath, though, they belie this already weak and unsupported theory by stating that Rittenhouse is being treated unjustly and did nothing wrong! Deepstate or media pressure or whatever the fuck the argument is. If anyone is being discriminated against, its fat white incels lol =P

[Baler]

To be fair to you auura I brought up the drugs in his system because it gives a valid reason for him to be resisting arrest. It's in no way me trying to justify what happened to him. I think what happened was horrible and wrong.
I want to take a leap and also say it's horrible and wrong for rioters to cause severe damage to cities fueled by lies and emotions.

Getting back to Rittenhouse, You have rioters planning to cause damage to businesses fueled by lies and emotions (& money?)
A group of individuals including kyle get the keen idea to 'protect' some businesses by carrying firearms. But there is video of kyle running around in the street, that's not exactly protecting a business.
But we also see for example the skateboard kid make an offense leap towards kyle and is shot in return. It's a very messy situation all together.

[PieOats]

Who cares if he was on Fentanyl? He was murdered because he tried to use a counterfeit bill? Why would you bring it up? How does that help your cause?

Dude was taking fentanyl, heroin, methamphetamine and weed. He had an enlarged heart and CoVid-19. He had no neck injuries and no more than superficial bruising and scrapes on other parts of his body. The officer was utilizing a technique pictured in the police manual. The video footage looked horrible, but the cop will in all likelihood be acquired, because he did not kill Floyd. Based on the autopsy and toxicology reports, it would be more reasonable to conclude that CoVid killed him.

[auura]

To be fair to you auura I brought up the drugs in his system because it gives a valid reason for him to be resisting arrest. It's in no way me trying to justify what happened to him. I think what happened was horrible and wrong.

I can find some common ground with you, too, as I believe there was a valid reason to arrest Floyd. The problem is too many of these cases involve in death due to police escalation. Not sure if you saw the white autistic kid who was killed by cops in Utah after his mom called the police because he was having a fit of some kind - its more egregious than the Floyd case by far, but probably got swept under the rug because it fits neither side's narrative (he wasnt black so doesnt help the libs and he was killed by cops so it doesnt help the cons).

I believe you brought up the drugs in the system case for the reason you said, taking you at your word, but the idea of showing someone had unclean hands has been used throughout history to discredit people, show that they deserved what they got, and remove empathy from their supporters and I believe that is happening with the Floyd case in general.

Finally, I disagree that riots which cause property damage are entirely inappropriate. I will admit that this is likely because I am entirely isolated from such things, but I generally believe that when there are increasing signs of the state turning toward authoritarianism which show up not just in the police force, but in government, then protests are one of the first steps that need to be taken to restore a democratic society.

Now its funny for me to say this because, like I said, I am isolated from it and have no financial difficulties. That said, I actually don't want desperate people banging on my door to get my shit. Many people would think in such a position i would be an ardent 2a supporter and look for more aggressive policing. I believe that would be a mistake. We need more education and more opportunity for the poor. If we let their circumstances get too bad, there will be more poor and desperate people than there will be people to shoot them when they threaten the rest.

[Spergand]

This is the third response of yours where you attempt to project your own feelings onto me. Case in point, this quote from you which I found with a 5 second search:



If either of us has been warped by media, I would wager it is you, lol.

Nice quote. I expect it shall stand the test of time

[PieOats]

Finally, I disagree that riots which cause property damage are entirely inappropriate. I will admit that this is likely because I am entirely isolated from such things, but I generally believe that when there are increasing signs of the state turning toward authoritarianism which show up not just in the police force, but in government, then protests are one of the first steps that need to be taken to restore a democratic society.

If my state imposed house arrest on the population and mandated face coverings for a disease with a 99.98% survival rate for persons under the age of 49, do you feel that it would be appropriate for me to drive to your state and burn down your house in protest? ��

[douglas1999]

It's not at all conclusive that he was killed by the kneeling cop though, nor that the cop had any racially motivated animus toward him. The autopsy found lethally high amounts of an incredibly potent opioid narcotic in his system, this is relevant because if he had swallowed a large amount at the beginning of the encounter, it makes total sense that he slowly passes away which I and any decent person found horrifying to witness. But throwing around terms like "murdered" and "executed" and "publically lynched" which people on the far left love to do is completely unhelpful at best and dangerously irresponsible at worst.

When you create a false public perception that police kill young black males for no reason whatsoever, which is not born out of the extensive data available on police-citizen interactions whatsoever, innocent cops who have done nothing wrong literally *do* get executed, it has happened multiple times since the protests and riots began. I understand being concerned about vigilante justice, but Rittenhouse is kind of the least of the least offender in that department compared to some deranged lunatic who thinks killing random cops is some kind of cosmic justice. It's reprehensible and psychotic.

[Convict]

It's not at all conclusive that he was killed by the kneeling cop though, nor that the cop had any racially motivated animus toward him. The autopsy found lethally high amounts of an incredibly potent opioid narcotic in his system, this is relevant because if he had swallowed a large amount at the beginning of the encounter, it makes total sense that he slowly passes away which I and any decent person found horrifying to witness. But throwing around terms like "murdered" and "executed" and "publically lynched" which people on the far left love to do is completely unhelpful at best and dangerously irresponsible at worst.

When you create a false public perception that police kill young black males for no reason whatsoever, which is not born out of the extensive data available on police-citizen interactions whatsoever, innocent cops who have done nothing wrong literally *do* get executed, it has happened multiple times since the protests and riots began. I understand being concerned about vigilante justice, but Rittenhouse is kind of the least of the least offender in that department compared to some deranged lunatic who thinks killing random cops is some kind of cosmic justice. It's reprehensible and psychotic.

100%

[Baler]

The autopsy found lethally high amounts of an incredibly potent opioid narcotic in his system, this is relevant because if he had swallowed a large amount at the beginning of the encounter, it makes total sense that he slowly passes away which I and any decent person found horrifying to witness.

Reminds me of how the rapper juicewrld died after finding out the police were waiting to search his aircraft he popped the pills he had on his person, overdosed with blood coming out.
It would explain how floyd was bleeding, due to an overdose. I had also read he had lethal levels of Fentanyl in his system upon autopsy but I couldn't source to my satisfaction to mention it.

[Patriam1066]

I can find some common ground with you, too, as I believe there was a valid reason to arrest Floyd. The problem is too many of these cases involve in death due to police escalation. Not sure if you saw the white autistic kid who was killed by cops in Utah after his mom called the police because he was having a fit of some kind - its more egregious than the Floyd case by far, but probably got swept under the rug because it fits neither side's narrative (he wasnt black so doesnt help the libs and he was killed by cops so it doesnt help the cons).

I believe you brought up the drugs in the system case for the reason you said, taking you at your word, but the idea of showing someone had unclean hands has been used throughout history to discredit people, show that they deserved what they got, and remove empathy from their supporters and I believe that is happening with the Floyd case in general.

Finally, I disagree that riots which cause property damage are entirely inappropriate. I will admit that this is likely because I am entirely isolated from such things, but I generally believe that when there are increasing signs of the state turning toward authoritarianism which show up not just in the police force, but in government, then protests are one of the first steps that need to be taken to restore a democratic society.

Now its funny for me to say this because, like I said, I am isolated from it and have no financial difficulties. That said, I actually don't want desperate people banging on my door to get my shit. Many people would think in such a position i would be an ardent 2a supporter and look for more aggressive policing. I believe that would be a mistake. We need more education and more opportunity for the poor. If we let their circumstances get too bad, there will be more poor and desperate people than there will be people to shoot them when they threaten the rest.

Fentanyl is a respiratory depressant. If cause of death is asphyxiation, it’s relevant in the scientific sense and not merely “his hands weren’t clean” demonization of the victim

It doesn’t justify it, but it is somewhat relevant, although I’d guess the 9 minutes of kneeling caused his death about a billion times more than the fentanyl

[Patriam1066]

Who cares if he was on Fentanyl? He was murdered because he tried to use a counterfeit bill? Why would you bring it up? How does that help your cause?

George Floyd is in hell

[Googi]

Just had a junkie friend od on fent, no joke bros ( Was never meant to be a recreational drug because its too potent to cut into doses by the average drug user or dealer )

Also heard a tom petty song at target yesterday lol, wont back down hehehhe rip

[Gwaihir]

Now im more confused. Did Jesus say the Bible was accurate to live by or that it was a complicated puzzle

Jesus said to love God with all your heart and to love thy neighbor like your self. He didnt say....love your ego with all your heart, and traipse along the edge of legality like a litigious pharisee.

He also said he did not come to abolish the law, he came to fulfill it for you.
Hope this helps.

[douglas1999]

Fentanyl is a respiratory depressant. If cause of death is asphyxiation, it’s relevant in the scientific sense and not merely “his hands weren’t clean” demonization of the victim

It doesn’t justify it, but it is somewhat relevant, although I’d guess the 9 minutes of kneeling caused his death about a billion times more than the fentanyl

All opioids and opiates are respiratory depressants. So is alcohol btw. Fentanyl is an extremely powerful and efficient synthetic opioid however. It is also extremely habit forming like all opioids and opiates, meaning it will make users take increasingly dangerous risks to obtain it and continue using it. If the medical examiner reports *lethal levels* of such a compound, how do you arrive at the conclusion that the cause of his death was probably the kneeling? When somebody is genuinely choking, they can't speak. He did not actually die in the video, he simply went unconscious. He died later at the hospital. All of this is completely, entirely consistent with a fentanyl overdose brought on by a panicked bad decision.

And yes, this is essentially exactly how juice wrld died. Eating drugs so they won't be found.

[BlackBellamy]

It's not at all conclusive that he was killed by the kneeling cop though...

I AM GEORGE FLOYD'S NECK: Layer by layer dissection of the anterior strap muscles of the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within the musculature. The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone are intact. The larynx is lined by intact mucosa. The thyroid is symmetric and red-brown, without cystic or nodular change. The tongue is free of bite marks, hemorrhage, or other injuries. The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.

I AM GEORGE FLOYD'S HEART: Cross sections of coronary arteries, though not all ideally oriented, confirm the gross impression of atherosclerotic narrowing.

I AM GEORGE FLOYD'S BLOOD TEST RESULTS:

Caffeine Positive
Cotinine Positive
4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL
Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL

Signs associated with fentanyl toxicity include severe respiratory depression, seizures, hypotension, coma and death. In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL.

I AM GEORGE FLOYD'S CAUSE OF DEATH:

Stupidity.

Stupid-ass, what the fuck? Get high in the car, stumble into the bodega, try to use a fake-ass bill and get thrown the fuck out! So now, you fucking genius, you sit in the car in front of the place and you get more high! The cops get there of course, now you don't want to get out of the car. They be patient with your ass and polite, but fuck no! You're going to make it a thing. They get your stupid ass out, now you don't want to go into the police car. The whole time they ain't beatin you, they ain't tasing or spraying you, no one shot your fucking dumb ass at all, and you're flexing and yelling about claustrophobia. They get your ass on the ground and hold you so they can tie you better so you can be safely put into the squad car and you pass out from all that excitement and the NEARLY 16 ng/mL OF MOTHERFUCKING FENTANYL in your system and later you die. Stupid-ass does stupid and dies.

To be serious I can kneel on your goddamn neck for 10 minutes exactly like that cop did and you'd be fucking fine. This is true for anyone reading this and I weigh 230 pounds. That side-neck restraint hold is taught like that precisely so it doesn't cause death.

[Woke Locc]

Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL

In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL.

I AM GEORGE FLOYD'S CAUSE OF DEATH:

Would this level be independently fatal for a habitual user?

Asking an expert.

[douglas1999]

Would this level be independently fatal for a habitual user?

Asking an expert.

Fair question, but almost certainly yes. If you panic-eat a much larger dose of a fatal narcotic than you'd ordinarily use recreationally, whatever developed tolerance you have relative to your standard recreational dose of that drug becomes kind of an irrelevant factor. Heroin addicts almost always die by overdose accidentally, when they happen to take just a smidge more than is required to kill them. Most heroin addicts have been extremely close to a lethal od several times, it's just that those times don't seem particularly meaningful because, hey, they eventually wake up. It's a very simple science experiment; how many breaths per minute are too few to deprive your brain of oxygen long enough that you die. You only get to learn that number once. Why people are treating the huge megadose fentanyl finding as some kind of unimportant curiosity is baffling to me.

[Woke Locc]

Fair question, but almost certainly yes. If you panic-eat a much larger dose of a fatal narcotic than you'd ordinarily use recreationally, whatever developed tolerance you have relative to your standard recreational dose of that drug becomes kind of an irrelevant factor. Heroin addicts almost always die by overdose accidentally, when they happen to take just a smidge more than is required to kill them. Most heroin addicts have been extremely close to a lethal od several times, it's just that those times don't seem particularly meaningful because, hey, they eventually wake up. It's a very simple science experiment; how many breaths per minute are too few to deprive your brain of oxygen long enough that you die. You only get to learn that number once. Why people are treating the huge megadose fentanyl finding as some kind of unimportant curiosity is baffling to me.

That presupposes he gobbled it up; I'm wondering if that was just his daily operational level.

I don't know drugs

[BallzDeep]

Pretty much this thread can be summed up as:

There is the recent release of the Breonna Taylor case and she was entangled in a drug web and pending homicide investigation. Her idiot boyfriend shot at the police and they were forced to return fire.

George Floyd had a high level of drugs in his system and was breaking the law. There is video of him complaining about not being able to breath prior to the neck. You couldn't conclusively claim it was murder by asphyxiation, if you can, you are lying.

Kyle Rittenhouse was a lifeguard, seen on video wanting to clean up the community and offer help. He was doing non-threatening tasks like cleaning up graffiti and other community service prior. He already had logged over 1,000 hours of community service in his lifetime. Someone else fired a shot near Kyle first. It's 100% self defense and larping for your community isn't bad. If you are against that or even make fun of it, you are an idiot. I'm more of a concealed type of guy but I run AR's and other platforms too. My community is my direct family and friends so I probably wouldn't do that shit but I agree with people doing it. If you don't, you disagree with the Asian members during the LA riots defending their communities. You disagree with black wall-street owners defending their property at the time. You wouldn't be philosophically consistent in defense of property and community.

[Googi]

Both the cops who killed george floyd and breonna taylor will walk

Kyle will walk as well

close thread

[douglas1999]

That presupposes he gobbled it up; I'm wondering if that was just his daily operational level.

I don't know drugs

If the coroner ruled it was a lethal amount, they are almost certainly taking into account the prospect of tolerance. Medical professionals generally know what tolerance is. So it was deemed a lethal amount not withstanding a pre existing tolerance. Given that he had already been in prison I believe nine times, it makes total sense he'd be desperate to not go back. I honestly can't blame him for that, however he made the choices that he made throughout his life, and that's not a minor detail.

But ya know, it's easier to just spin it as an easily digestible soundbite. He was "executed for passing a fake $20". No other relevant details to consider, nope, none at all. I like when insanely complex situations are lazily rolled into a short sentence.

[Woke Locc]

If the coroner ruled it was a lethal amount, they are almost certainly taking into account the prospect of tolerance. Medical professionals generally know what tolerance is. So it was deemed a lethal amount not withstanding a pre existing tolerance.

I disagree but I don't think either of us is equipped to know.

Mario is right that the cops will walk, not sure on Kyle.

[Kian]

Would this level be independently fatal for a habitual user?

Asking an expert.

According to the manufacturer's literature, you get around 3.2ng/mL cMax from a 100mcg patch. So imagine him on 4 of the strongest fentanyl patches.

These patches are weak. I know from experience that that dose is substantially weaker than 30mg of methadone, which a naive individual could survive, even a skinny White model girl. If he had any habit at all, he would have survived. If he didn't, it's just-high-enough a dose to be murky. The combination of respiratory depression with suffocation means the Fent may have been the difference between surviving this excessive force and not, though.

For my money, it is weird he's got pure fentanyl in his system and no heroin/etc. Are people trading in pure fentanyl, now, knowingly? i guess it could be. The tox report reads like an intelligence/natsecurity edit to me, though. We're all still pretending things are all exactly as they seem though, so you can just write all that off with "tinfoil" and pretend I've never known anything.

Without any other downers in his system, and with a decent dose of meth to offset the downs, Big Doubt he died of fentanyl. Unless perhaps he was in withdrawal from methamphetamine. The only other variable I can't account for is time-to-tox-screen; there is such a thing as postmortem metabolism and I am not pretending it's a tiny dose. It's just that -- it takes a HUGE dose of opiates to overdose without assistance from the benzo or booze end of things. Fent does metabolise fast tho and if they didn't get his blood quick, and if the blood test is untampered-with, it's not an impossible scenario that he was under the influence of double the recorded dose.

In the end, so far as a court of law goes I'd call it reasonable doubt as to cause of death. But the whole thing stinks bad and the knee on the neck was obviously gross shit. Anyone calling the tox report a "case closed" for OD is selling something.

-her, neuroscientist molecular pharmacologist and sensual polymath

[reznor_]

It'll be cool when Rittenhouse goes to jail for murder.

He is: a pasty, wannabe weekend warrior tryhard white boy. Fat fuck who thinks he's good with a gun.

[douglas1999]

It'll be cool when Rittenhouse goes to jail for murder.

He is: a pasty, wannabe weekend warrior tryhard white boy. Fat fuck who thinks he's good with a gun.

I disagree, he clearly demonstrated ample training with a rifle for a 17 year old. His intention was to quell rioting, not inflame it, and he was clearly willing to help people he may have disagreed with politically. He shot people who were trying to kill and\or beat him, which is like the literal definition of self defense and has about 150 years of case law to back it up. Those people made the decision to try to kill and\or beat him. "wannabe weekend warrior tryhard white boy fat fuck" doesn't exactly constitute an argument, but I can see you're quite deranged and angry about somebody you don't know and have never met and that's gotta suck.

He didn't commit anything close to murder, why would he go to jail for murder? Why would you wish for that? That's insane.

[douglas1999]

I disagree but I don't think either of us is equipped to know.

Mario is right that the cops will walk, not sure on Kyle.

A coroner ruled it was a lethal amount. I mean, was he\she lying? You can deduce things about a death involving a large amount of a widely known and publicized lethal opioid narcotic without having to be an actual coroner.

[reznor_]

I disagree, he clearly demonstrated ample training with a rifle for a 17 year old. His intention was to quell rioting, not inflame it, and he was clearly willing to help people he may have disagreed with politically. He shot people who were trying to kill and\or beat him, which is like the literal definition of self defense and has about 150 years of case law to back it up. Those people made the decision to try to kill and\or beat him. "wannabe weekend warrior tryhard white boy fat fuck" doesn't exactly constitute an argument, but I can see you're quite deranged and angry about somebody you don't know and have never met and that's gotta suck.

He didn't commit anything close to murder, why would he go to jail for murder? Why would you wish for that? That's insane.

You took my bait. So, here's my issue with Kyle:

Literally went to a riot zone, armed, to "quell rioting" as you put it. That's not his job. Not even remotely close. Some dude with a misguided view of patriotism. No one knows, he some dude and then "self-defense" kicked in when he shot the second two (the video that's been widely shared and we've all seen). Hopefully the jury does the right thing and convicts him as he should rightly be.

I fucking love guns. I own several. I believe firmly in the second amendment. I also happen to be a democrat and believe that people shouldn't be murdered in their apartments while they sleep, and believe that everyone should have access to healthcare and basic necessities (Note: some of you will call me a socialist for this -- I believe in capitalism, but I believe we should pay a bit more to take care of people who can't afford it, so go fuck yourself). However, I'm not willing to kill republicans or people I disagree with politically -- something the right can't really make a claim to.

Showing up in a city that you're driven to *by your mother* to "quell rioting", are you fucking kidding me? That's the defense? And that he's a patriotic American doing his job? Hopefully he gets skewered for this.

[Woke Locc]

A coroner ruled it was a lethal amount. I mean, was he\she lying? You can deduce things about a death involving a large amount of a widely known and publicized lethal opioid narcotic without having to be an actual coroner.

I'm saying I think they have to use the official ldl for legal reasons. As Florida has taught us, humans are remarkable creatures when it comes to drug use.

[douglas1999]

You took my bait. So, here's my issue with Kyle:

Literally went to a riot zone, armed, to "quell rioting" as you put it. That's not his job. Not even remotely close. Some dude with a misguided view of patriotism. No one knows, he some dude and then "self-defense" kicked in when he shot the second two (the video that's been widely shared and we've all seen). Hopefully the jury does the right thing and convicts him as he should rightly be.

I fucking love guns. I own several. I believe firmly in the second amendment. I also happen to be a democrat and believe that people shouldn't be murdered in their apartments while they sleep, and believe that everyone should have access to healthcare and basic necessities (Note: some of you will call me a socialist for this -- I believe in capitalism, but I believe we should pay a bit more to take care of people who can't afford it, so go fuck yourself). However, I'm not willing to kill republicans or people I disagree with politically -- something the right can't really make a claim to.

Showing up in a city that you're driven to *by your mother* to "quell rioting", are you fucking kidding me? That's the defense? And that he's a patriotic American doing his job? Hopefully he gets skewered for this.

No, that's not the defense. The defense is that he wasn't doing anything illegal, and people were trying to attack him, unprovoked. If somebody even just punches you hard in the jaw and you go down on pavement, you can very easily die, let alone with a skateboard. Those people, who made those choices, would still be alive whether Kyle was there that night or not had they simply not made those choices. It's clear self defense by like every reasonable interpretation of the laws of our country, unless contrary evidence comes out which it hasn't. He's just getting dogpiled because people saw a 10 second clip on facebook or some dumb shit and took *that* bait. He didn't break any laws nor entice anyone to attack him, they made conscious choices as moral actors to attack him first. This is the entire point of the 2nd amendment. It sucks they died, and it sucks police weren't able to do their jobs such that a kid felt compelled to do this in the first place. I don't like seeing any person get killed or injured, but it is fundamentally unjust to convict this kid of murder. It was not even remotely close to satisfying the legal preconditions for a murder charge.

[douglas1999]

I'm saying I think they have to use the official ldl for legal reasons. As Florida has taught us, humans are remarkable creatures when it comes to drug use.

No doubt but... it was well above the ldl. Like, way way above it, so I'm confused. Granted, a guy his size and weight could likely tolerate more of any substance, but not four fold.

We can mince words about it, but people think the cop like choked him to death with his knee because he was a racist, which there is essentially no evidence to support. Yet, people have been rioting and looting and beating and killing for like five months now based purely on that assumption. That's the point.

[Patriam1066]

All opioids and opiates are respiratory depressants. So is alcohol btw. Fentanyl is an extremely powerful and efficient synthetic opioid however. It is also extremely habit forming like all opioids and opiates, meaning it will make users take increasingly dangerous risks to obtain it and continue using it. If the medical examiner reports *lethal levels* of such a compound, how do you arrive at the conclusion that the cause of his death was probably the kneeling? When somebody is genuinely choking, they can't speak. He did not actually die in the video, he simply went unconscious. He died later at the hospital. All of this is completely, entirely consistent with a fentanyl overdose brought on by a panicked bad decision.

And yes, this is essentially exactly how juice wrld died. Eating drugs so they won't be found.

There’s really no way to know, but I’m guessing 9 minutes of a knee on your back and a medical examiner saying asphyxiation, not overdose, is the cause of death could possibly lead one to conclude that the knee killed him. Also, he was standing and seemed fine prior to the knee. As you said, you rapidly build tolerance to fentanyl, maybe that lethal level wasn’t lethal to Floyd since he was a habitual user

This is all conjecture, what we know is he died in police custody with a knee on his back. Would you wish that upon your son? Your brother? Your friend? For better or worse, I understand that being a cop in this country is a shitty job, and Floyd was a dog shit human who did not positively contribute to his society, even up until his death, but when you’re in police custody they have a responsibility to not have you die. As far as him talking and that meaning he was still breathing, in the very technical sense, yes, but that doesn’t mean he was getting a full breath each time he inhaled for 9 minutes. The cop is culpable in his death.

But I believe in Kant’s categorical imperative, and I think we shouldn’t celebrate death, lest we wake up one day and be the dog shit Chinese subhuman trash who operate 380 internment / death camps in Xinjiang. We should oppose death, even among the worst of us like George Floyd, who I do firmly believe is in hell right now. That judgment is God’s job, not mine or Officer Chauvin’s

[Patriam1066]

You took my bait. So, here's my issue with Kyle:

Literally went to a riot zone, armed, to "quell rioting" as you put it. That's not his job. Not even remotely close. Some dude with a misguided view of patriotism. No one knows, he some dude and then "self-defense" kicked in when he shot the second two (the video that's been widely shared and we've all seen). Hopefully the jury does the right thing and convicts him as he should rightly be.

I fucking love guns. I own several. I believe firmly in the second amendment. I also happen to be a democrat and believe that people shouldn't be murdered in their apartments while they sleep, and believe that everyone should have access to healthcare and basic necessities (Note: some of you will call me a socialist for this -- I believe in capitalism, but I believe we should pay a bit more to take care of people who can't afford it, so go fuck yourself). However, I'm not willing to kill republicans or people I disagree with politically -- something the right can't really make a claim to.

Showing up in a city that you're driven to *by your mother* to "quell rioting", are you fucking kidding me? That's the defense? And that he's a patriotic American doing his job? Hopefully he gets skewered for this.

Most republicans and democrats don’t kill their political opponents, claiming democrats have the moral high ground is bull shit, our two parties are as dirty and as fucked up as they’ve ever been. The governor of Wisconsin, right after Blake’s death, tweeted some incendiary bull shit that might’ve made the protests and looting worse

It’s very hard to assign blame, we have a nation on edge right now and low IQ people who don’t value democracy, on both sides, making life harder for everyone

[Topgunben]

https://i.imgur.com/ceNmIRy.jpg

[Patriam1066]

No doubt but... it was well above the ldl. Like, way way above it, so I'm confused. Granted, a guy his size and weight could likely tolerate more of any substance, but not four fold.

We can mince words about it, but people think the cop like choked him to death with his knee because he was a racist, which there is essentially no evidence to support. Yet, people have been rioting and looting and beating and killing for like five months now based purely on that assumption. That's the point.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, this isn’t a team sport. Both sides suck and need to get jobs, pay taxes, and not take their opinions to be more important than their vote. Protesting is toddler like behavior to begin with, it’s saying “if you don’t listen to me I get to make your life worse.” It is, however, guaranteed by the first amendment. Our founding fathers were smarter than we are, so we must live with the peaceful protests and vote out the political leaders who do not deal with the violent variety

[Donkey Hotay]

hurr durr why did someone go armed to a riot and attempt to quell rioting he is guilty of murder

Why are these feral humans going to riots to destroy property and assault others unprovoked. Why does this not draw your ire. Why are police not doing their job.

We are long past talking this through. We're just gonna have to start killing each other off because reasoning no longer works.

[Topgunben]

We are long past talking this through. We're just gonna have to start killing each other off because reasoning no longer works.

I used to talk that way a lot. It was less of a provocation and more of a warning. Now I fear that this has become inevitable.

[Patriam1066]

Why are these feral humans going to riots to destroy property and assault others unprovoked. Why does this not draw your ire. Why are police not doing their job.

We are long past talking this through. We're just gonna have to start killing each other off because reasoning no longer works.

Precisely why Kyle needs to be condemned, because he believed that and so do others. His individual case is a chance to set precedent that that behavior and reasoning is not allowed in a democracy that respects individual lives and rights

As for the rioting, vote out the dipshits in Portland

[Donkey Hotay]

He was attacked unprovoked. He defended himself with the means he was openly carrying. Video exists for the entire scenario. Case closed; anything else is unreason.

No more words; let's just get it on. Half of us are two-legged wolves who see speech as a means to subvert others to their will and half of us naively believe the others are still human.

[Topgunben]

Precisely why Kyle needs to be condemned, because he believed that and so do others. His individual case is a chance to set precedent that that behavior and reasoning is not allowed in a democracy that respects individual lives and rights

As for the rioting, vote out the dipshits in Portland

Even if I were a raging ANTIFASCIST, His case is not a hill worth dying upon.

It is a plain and simple self defense case that he will win handily. You can continue to wantonly ignore the facts, but that will get you no where. Open your eyes man, there is enough video evidence to clear this kid 10x over.

[douglas1999]

I can't really tell what's going on itt anymore to be honest. It's fun though!

[douglas1999]

Precisely why Kyle needs to be condemned, because he believed that and so do others. His individual case is a chance to set precedent that that behavior and reasoning is not allowed in a democracy that respects individual lives and rights

As for the rioting, vote out the dipshits in Portland

Yeah had kyle been a cop rather than not a cop, I'm sure people would have totally not done exactly the same thing to him.

Actually, it would be *worse* if he had been a cop, because they'd find some post hoc rationale to morally indict him even more. "You're supposed to protect us! How dare you defend your life and not just get killed by a mob!"

[Patriam1066]

He was attacked unprovoked. He defended himself with the means he was openly carrying. Video exists for the entire scenario. Case closed; anything else is unreason.

No more words; let's just get it on. Half of us are two-legged wolves who see speech as a means to subvert others to their will and half of us naively believe the others are still human.

Rioting bad, civil war OK? Got it, I’m glad someone admits it though, precisely why I’m playing devil’s advocate, because that escalation is dumb and counterproductive

Not to mention that it will end the global economy and guarantee generations of hardship, which, frankly, you and every other young person aren’t prepared to endure

[Patriam1066]

Yeah had kyle been a cop rather than not a cop, I'm sure people would have totally not done exactly the same thing to him.

Actually, it would be *worse* if he had been a cop, because they'd find some post hoc rationale to morally indict him even more. "You're supposed to protect us! How dare you defend your life and not just get killed by a mob!"

There are stupid people. That’s truly unfortunate. I’m not sure what you’d like me to say? You have someone advocating civil war in this thread and you’re still purposefully missing my very simple point that violence begets violence

Why do you think I keep saying Seek Christ? Because as serious as all of this is, it isn’t serious enough for any of you to, for EVEN ONE SECOND, consider thinking that taking a human life is justifiable for any reason. I’ve seen both civil war and an Arab invasion buddy, you do not want to see America descend into civil conflict

[Topgunben]

There are stupid people. That’s truly unfortunate. I’m not sure what you’d like me to say? You have someone advocating civil war in this thread and you’re still purposefully missing my very simple point that violence begets violence

Why do you think I keep saying Seek Christ? Because as serious as all of this is, it isn’t serious enough for any of you to, for EVEN ONE SECOND, consider thinking that taking a human life is justifiable for any reason. I’ve seen both civil war and an Arab invasion buddy, you do not want to see America descend into civil conflict

God commands "thou shalt not kill" but other times he commands to "utterly destroy".

It all depends on the context, if you cant see the difference between self defense and the murder of an innocent person, you are actually retarded.

[Donkey Hotay]

Riots bad. Duly elected officials refusing to maintain order. Citizens who fill the breach are arrested and imprisoned. Civil war now good.

Sorry this puts a damper on your RV plans, boomer. Did the three Jews Kyle shot thank you for your service in their wars yet, by the way?

[douglas1999]

There are stupid people. That’s truly unfortunate. I’m not sure what you’d like me to say? You have someone advocating civil war in this thread and you’re still purposefully missing my very simple point that violence begets violence

Why do you think I keep saying Seek Christ? Because as serious as all of this is, it isn’t serious enough for any of you to, for EVEN ONE SECOND, consider thinking that taking a human life is justifiable for any reason. I’ve seen both civil war and an Arab invasion buddy, you do not want to see America descend into civil conflict

I respect that and I don't doubt it for a second. This however is a different situation. "Violence begets violence" is a clear tautology. Violence is also often concluded with violence; see almost every war that has ever occurred. Which, again, is the whole point of the american 2nd amendment. A lot of 2a nuts think it's about like, defending your barn from government tank invasion, which it kinda is, but practically speaking it's about setting a legal rubric for when you are allowed to defend your own life against an immediate threat to it. Rittenhouse may be guilty of things (being a larping dork), but murder is not one of them and it's overwhelmingly clear.

[Jibartik]

Read the names of God translation of the Bible and ask yourself why the creation account is detailed twice

I think everyone in this thread should do what you suggest. :o

The purpose of the first narrative (Gen 1:1–2:4a) is about establishing a relationship
between God and humans, and the second account (Gen 2:4b-25) is about building
a relationship in the most essential human bond, marriage. These two relationships,
vertical and horizontal, are complementary and must always come in the described
ordered sequence so that life can be meaningful, beautiful, and happy. First comes a
cultivation of a loving relationship with God, then with our marriage partner, and finally
with others. The closer we are to God, the closer we should be to our spouses and to
others. Only God can provide all the resources for life so we can be a contribution and
blessing to each other. We were created in total dependency upon God; therefore, only
from him can we receive all we need for building deep and lasting relationships.

Source: A fresh look at two genesis creation accounts. (https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3127&context=auss)

[Jibartik]

God commands "thou shalt not kill" but other times he commands to "utterly destroy".

In Is God A Moral Monster (https://www.amazon.com/God-Moral-Monster-Making-Testament/dp/0801072751/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Is+God+A+Moral+Monster&qid=1601101536&sr=8-1) it's argued that Joshua describes his battles using “ancient Near Eastern exaggeration rhetoric. Like his ancient Near Eastern contemporaries, Joshua used the language of conventional warfare rhetoric.”

In the later fifteenth century (BC so its backwards remember hehe) Tuthmosis III (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thutmose_III) could boast “the numerous army of Mitanni was overthrown within the hour, annihilated totally” but, historically the forces of Mitanni lived to fight many another day, in the fifteenth and fourteenth centuries… meaning annihilated totally = exist as an empire for another 200 years.

Under "Ancient Near East Warfare Rhetoric" theory, the language "Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." is exaggeration. God is not actually expecting or commanding Saul to hunt down every last living thing under every tree and kill them all. Instead, God's purpose is that their entire society (their religion and immoral practices) would be destroyed.

The language "utterly destroy" is often referred to as an act of worship to God (http://www.crivoice.org/terms/t-herem.html). That is, by removing the religion and practices which directly oppose God, they are offering sacrifice to God.

It all depends on the context, if you cant see the difference between self defense and the murder of an innocent person, you are actually retarded.

Just as we might say that a sports team “blew their opponents away” or “slaughtered” or “annihilated” them, the author (editor) likewise followed the rhetoric of his day.

The fact is, Youtube & biblical scholars have allowed themselves to be swept away by the upbeat, rhetorical element present in Joshua, a persistent feature of most war reports in ancient Near Eastern sources that they are not accustomed to understand and properly handle.

(edit: that said maybe the bible is a horcrux and once you figure out the correct meaning behind the words it will unlock a new doorway, what do I know!)

Edit edit: But for context of this thread? Self defense, does not mean traveling to a riot and shooting people. Hope some thing, any of this, helps someone see the light!

Love thy neighbor, keep the sabbath, follow the 10 commandments. That is all, then the rest is easy! :o

[Topgunben]

In Is God A Moral Monster (https://www.amazon.com/God-Moral-Monster-Making-Testament/dp/0801072751/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Is+God+A+Moral+Monster&qid=1601101536&sr=8-1) it's argued that Joshua describes his battles using “ancient Near Eastern exaggeration rhetoric. Like his ancient Near Eastern contemporaries, Joshua used the language of conventional warfare rhetoric.”

In the later fifteenth century (BC so its backwards remember hehe) Tuthmosis III (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thutmose_III) could boast “the numerous army of Mitanni was overthrown within the hour, annihilated totally” but, historically the forces of Mitanni lived to fight many another day, in the fifteenth and fourteenth centuries… meaning annihilated totally = exist as an empire for another 200 years.

Under "Ancient Near East Warfare Rhetoric" theory, the language "Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." is exaggeration. God is not actually expecting or commanding Saul to hunt down every last living thing under every tree and kill them all. Instead, God's purpose is that their entire society (their religion and immoral practices) would be destroyed.

The language "utterly destroy" is often referred to as an act of worship to God (http://www.crivoice.org/terms/t-herem.html). That is, by removing the religion and practices which directly oppose God, they are offering sacrifice to God.



Just as we might say that a sports team “blew their opponents away” or “slaughtered” or “annihilated” them, the author (editor) likewise followed the rhetoric of his day.

The fact is, Youtube & biblical scholars have allowed themselves to be swept away by the upbeat, rhetorical element present in Joshua, a persistent feature of most war reports in ancient Near Eastern sources that they are not accustomed to understand and properly handle.

(edit: that said maybe the bible is a horcrux and once you figure out the correct meaning behind the words it will unlock a new doorway, what do I know!)

Edit edit: But for context of this thread? Self defense, does not mean traveling to a riot and shooting people. Hope some thing, any of this, helps someone see the light!

Love thy neighbor, keep the sabbath, follow the 10 commandments. That is all, then the rest is easy! :o

I am a believer myself, but I find it difficult to navigate what it literal and what is figurative.

But its difficult to argue that God didnt command the slaughter of unrighteous groups, especially when Saul fell out of favor with Nathan(?) because he kept some of the spoils of war alive.

[Tethler]

Be mindful of taking the Bible literally. It has been translated a number of times over the years, and translators are often able to take liberties with the meanings of passages. This can be done intentionally or accidentally and tends to be compounded after several iterations of translation (think making a photocopy of a photocopy several times, the result is much less clear). But either way, taking phrases literally is bound to result in beliefs or actions that don't align with the original version of the text.

Long story short, use it as a general guide rather that picking apart the meaning of individual sections.

[zodium]

There are stupid people. That’s truly unfortunate. I’m not sure what you’d like me to say? You have someone advocating civil war in this thread and you’re still purposefully missing my very simple point that violence begets violence

Why do you think I keep saying Seek Christ? Because as serious as all of this is, it isn’t serious enough for any of you to, for EVEN ONE SECOND, consider thinking that taking a human life is justifiable for any reason. I’ve seen both civil war and an Arab invasion buddy, you do not want to see America descend into civil conflict

america was asked to choose between socialism or barbarism, and they chose barbarism. buckle up.

[Jibartik]

I am a believer myself, but I find it difficult to navigate what it literal and what is figurative.

But its difficult to argue that God didnt command the slaughter of unrighteous groups, especially when Saul fell out of favor with Nathan(?) because he kept some of the spoils of war alive.

The Lord had told Saul to destroy everything. Saul just could not pass up a chance to make himself look good (he was extremely charismatic in the way its described people felt of him). And at the time it was a practice among heathen nations to keep a conquered kings alive. They would take him back to their country. In front of his people, the victor would put out the eyes of his captive king and otherwise humiliate him (it was a chill time).

Saul had become very proud, one of his many sins. He kept the Amalekite king alive, as well as the best of everything else it offered to gain favor of the people and wealth. When he returned to Israel, he even erected a monument to himself at Carmel (oops).

Samuel had to tell Saul of the Lord’s anger. Instead of repenting, Saul tried lying and then made excuses. He blamed the soldiers and then said that they only kept the animals alive to make sacrifices to the Lord. And pandered to his people for love.

Personally I have a way different take on this one than some folks, I dont think the message is kill or be killed (which is a very convincing sermon I will totally give it that!). Instead I think it means be penitent and do not flaunt mankind's will in the face of god, which is much more consistent with the bibles other teachings.

Saul was a great king, and people loved him, he was a man of earth and clay, but when he took it too far they (the people), Samuel (not Nathan hehe) and God fell out of favor with him.

Now about god commanding the death of the Amalekites? God has already killed everyone on this particular planet with a flood mind you. This period of time is biblically quite different than our current period of time, so taking things into context as you said is super important here:

to those that question the will of god is brutal, after being forgiven of our sins he no longer asks of that, so we confidently say that our God would never speak to us like he spoke to Saul through Samuel, demanding genocidal vengeance on anyone. It’s not possible because it’s no longer required. Because of Christ, we are currently in the eschatological period of amnesty. Awaiting that final judgement.

So god did say to kill the Amalekites, yes. And he did punish Saul for sin for not killing as he commanded. But no matter what reason god flooded the earth or thought he needed to commit genocide: It does not mean he is telling you to flood the earth or commit genocide (Ive heard the first strike, kill or be killed, argument with this sermon and I just dont think its for me).

:o FYI non theologists that are looking at this and puking hehe, if you think EQ lore is complicated, or like Game of Thrones I suggest the 6,000 year history of western mankind :) It also connects with eastern too but oof there is a lot of history on this planet.

[PieOats]

For my money, it is weird he's got pure fentanyl in his system and no heroin/etc. Are people trading in pure fentanyl, now, knowingly? i guess it could be. The tox report reads like an intelligence/natsecurity edit to me, though. We're all still pretending things are all exactly as they seem though, so you can just write all that off with "tinfoil" and pretend I've never known anything.

Without any other downers in his system, and with a decent dose of meth to offset the downs, Big Doubt he died of fentanyl. Unless perhaps he was in withdrawal from methamphetamine. The only other variable I can't account for is time-to-tox-screen; there is such a thing as postmortem metabolism and I am not pretending it's a tiny dose. It's just that -- it takes a HUGE dose of opiates to overdose without assistance from the benzo or booze end of things. Fent does metabolise fast tho and if they didn't get his blood quick, and if the blood test is untampered-with, it's not an impossible scenario that he was under the influence of double the recorded dose.

In the end, so far as a court of law goes I'd call it reasonable doubt as to cause of death. But the whole thing stinks bad and the knee on the neck was obviously gross shit. Anyone calling the tox report a "case closed" for OD is selling something.

-her, neuroscientist molecular pharmacologist and sensual polymath

He had morphine too, which is a metabolite of heroin. And I agree about the knee even if I understand the intent of the technique and the reason for it being in the police manual. The whole video was saddening.

[Patriam1066]

Riots bad. Duly elected officials refusing to maintain order. Citizens who fill the breach are arrested and imprisoned. Civil war now good.

Sorry this puts a damper on your RV plans, boomer. Did the three Jews Kyle shot thank you for your service in their wars yet, by the way?

I’m not afraid of you buddy, I fear for you. You misunderstand because the hatred in your heart guides you towards a dark path. Seek Christ, get some sleep tonight and wake up early, go to church, and repent your desire to kill Americans, God’s chosen, and your desire to topple the United States, God’s empire

[Woke Locc]

america was asked to choose between socialism or barbarism, and they chose barbarism. buckle up.

Marxism is irrefutable in Western logos

We still shouldn't do it it's bad

Hope this helps

[BlackBellamy]

I’m not afraid of you buddy, I fear for you. You misunderstand because the hatred in your heart guides you towards a dark path. Seek Christ, get some sleep tonight and wake up early, go to church, and repent your desire to kill Americans, God’s chosen, and your desire to topple the United States, God’s empire


Are you sure you're living in the right society with all that unconditional aversion to killing?

I'm not sure how many other national anthems specifically reference bombs. Which are bursting. In the air. Think about all that shrapnel. Hot metal cutting flesh, the floors awash in blood, the surgeons rushing around the screaming men. But the flag is still waving above, through the smoke. Now those are some pretty powerful visuals, no?

I'm looking through other national constitutions, other founding documents, trying to see any other ones where they specifically say oh yeah, we're going to make sure everyone is armed. With guns.

Do you know what happens when Americans disagree on an idea?

Here's some particularly disagreeable days:

https://imgur.com/EsXorpJ.jpg

When we turned all those Japanese into ash, do you think the men slept well at night?

"I have no regrets, no remorse about it." -- Lieutenant Jacob Beser, the only man to fly in both Nagasaki and Hiroshima missions.

I bet they did.

We're a violent nation born of violent men. A Christian bullet is still a bullet.

[BallzDeep]

You took my bait. So, here's my issue with Kyle:

Literally went to a riot zone, armed, to "quell rioting" as you put it. That's not his job. Not even remotely close. Some dude with a misguided view of patriotism. No one knows, he some dude and then "self-defense" kicked in when he shot the second two (the video that's been widely shared and we've all seen). Hopefully the jury does the right thing and convicts him as he should rightly be.

I fucking love guns. I own several. I believe firmly in the second amendment. I also happen to be a democrat and believe that people shouldn't be murdered in their apartments while they sleep, and believe that everyone should have access to healthcare and basic necessities (Note: some of you will call me a socialist for this -- I believe in capitalism, but I believe we should pay a bit more to take care of people who can't afford it, so go fuck yourself). However, I'm not willing to kill republicans or people I disagree with politically -- something the right can't really make a claim to.

Showing up in a city that you're driven to *by your mother* to "quell rioting", are you fucking kidding me? That's the defense? And that he's a patriotic American doing his job? Hopefully he gets skewered for this.

I don't understand how you are a gun owner and don't know the history behind defending property. Did you not read the post prior about staying philosophically consistent for property defense? This is why we say "A democrat with a gun, is an idiot with a gun."

Let me ask you. Do you consider the Asian's during the LA riots that picked up guns and defended their property to be immoral and breaking the law? Do you consider the blacks during Black Wallstreet who attempted to pick up their guns to use show of force to dissuade people? Do you think people have that right to defend their community? I can already tell you I would make you look pretty stupid since you would have several contradictions going on there in philosophy, and your applied ethics.

The second question would be well then, what is your community that you have a right to defend? Well, it's different for everyone. So, the law is laid down, you have the right to show of force AKA open carry to defend anything YOU deem your community as long as you have a legal right to be there and are not the agitator. For Kyle, being a member of the community there, working there and even contributing community service there PRIOR to the incident shows he did consider it his community.

On the murdered in your sleep, I assume you are talking about Breonna Taylor and just shows how severely misinformed you are. Here is the case report for that:

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1

Read it.

[BlackBellamy]

Here is Chicago. Last night or some bullshit.

https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1309720082403254272

Listen to that.

Listen to the gunfire.

If I was a mayor of a town where that was happening I would go get my police chief and we would go down there with all the cops and physically stand on every corner 24/7 and go into every single trap house with our surplus M113s and bulldoze the place later until there was no more gunfire at all.

I cannot understand how someone can be in charge and allow this to happen and people are like well they're doing an ok job otherwise let's not carry them out of the city hall and throw them in the river.

[Patriam1066]

Are you sure you're living in the right society with all that unconditional aversion to killing?

I'm not sure how many other national anthems specifically reference bombs. Which are bursting. In the air. Think about all that shrapnel. Hot metal cutting flesh, the floors awash in blood, the surgeons rushing around the screaming men. But the flag is still waving above, through the smoke. Now those are some pretty powerful visuals, no?

I'm looking through other national constitutions, other founding documents, trying to see any other ones where they specifically say oh yeah, we're going to make sure everyone is armed. With guns.

Do you know what happens when Americans disagree on an idea?

Here's some particularly disagreeable days:

https://imgur.com/EsXorpJ.jpg

When we turned all those Japanese into ash, do you think the men slept well at night?



I bet they did.

We're a violent nation born of violent men. A Christian bullet is still a bullet.

1. You shouldn’t revel in killing
2. Your victory isn’t assured.
3. Japan got nuked because they were a genocidal sneak attacking bunch of cock suckers

None of this is analogous to the wealthiest nation in history, during the best period to have ever been alive, going to hell in a hand basket because everyone is an obese diabetic pussy with a profound sense of entitlement. I’m sorry you were promised a lot by mommy and daddy and then you had to compete, became miserable, and popped opioids and Big Macs. There’s still time, however, to repent and save your immortal soul

[charmcitysking]

3. Japan got nuked because they were a genocidal sneak attacking bunch of cock suckers

Sorta. Plenty of Americans knew beforehand that Pearl Harbour was to be attacked.

Just not the Americans at Pearl Harbor.

[Gwaihir]

In Is God A Moral Monster (https://www.amazon.com/God-Moral-Monster-Making-Testament/dp/0801072751/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Is+God+A+Moral+Monster&qid=1601101536&sr=8-1) it's argued that Joshua describes his battles using “ancient Near Eastern exaggeration rhetoric. Like his ancient Near Eastern contemporaries, Joshua used the language of conventional warfare rhetoric.”

In the later fifteenth century (BC so its backwards remember hehe) Tuthmosis III (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thutmose_III) could boast “the numerous army of Mitanni was overthrown within the hour, annihilated totally” but, historically the forces of Mitanni lived to fight many another day, in the fifteenth and fourteenth centuries… meaning annihilated totally = exist as an empire for another 200 years.

Under "Ancient Near East Warfare Rhetoric" theory, the language "Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." is exaggeration. God is not actually expecting or commanding Saul to hunt down every last living thing under every tree and kill them all. Instead, God's purpose is that their entire society (their religion and immoral practices) would be destroyed.

The language "utterly destroy" is often referred to as an act of worship to God (http://www.crivoice.org/terms/t-herem.html). That is, by removing the religion and practices which directly oppose God, they are offering sacrifice to God.



Just as we might say that a sports team “blew their opponents away” or “slaughtered” or “annihilated” them, the author (editor) likewise followed the rhetoric of his day.

The fact is, Youtube & biblical scholars have allowed themselves to be swept away by the upbeat, rhetorical element present in Joshua, a persistent feature of most war reports in ancient Near Eastern sources that they are not accustomed to understand and properly handle.

(edit: that said maybe the bible is a horcrux and once you figure out the correct meaning behind the words it will unlock a new doorway, what do I know!)



It absolutely is a "horcrux" with multifaceted meanings. That is why Psalms 119:130 states "the unfolding if your word gives light;it brings understanding to the simple"

This statement, in and of itself, is revealing, because it insinuates word choices have at least dual meanings. Some would state that at its root, the judeo-christian-islamic myth is one of Dualism;and by that measure syzygy applies to a large majority of the text.

Lets unpack ezekiel 16.

In ezekiel 16, God refers to Israel as the sisters of sodom, stating their transgressions make Sodom and Gomorrah look justified in his eyes, despite the fact that he destroyed sodom for their "pride".

He then goes on to state, the consequence for the israelites prideful transgressions is they must bear the burden of their shame. This relationship between Pride and Shame is compared and contrasted, because at its root God is describing the interrelated nature of pride and shame.

When you are full of pride, you think no one else can see it, but everyone else can: it just blinds the Self (in the Jungian sense)from seeing it.

When you are full of Shame, you think everyone else can see it, so you stole yourself away, withdrawing, hoping that others can not see it, and no one else can for the most part unless theyre sagastic enough to see the withdrawl as symptomatic of shame.

Now with that said pride and shame are sisters of each other; they exist along the same axiom with one being a conscious manifestation and the other being a subconscious repression of the same thing.

Now, to apply to the dualistic framework, the syzygy of pride is humility; that it to say humility exists on the same axiom as pride except it is its conjoined opposite, it has no meaning without relating to its counterpart.

Because it is the syzygy of pride, a conscious manifestation, it must therefore exist in the subconscious as being profusely humble actually leads to self-conceptualization of betterness than others which then finds itself paradoxically manifesting as arrogance/pride when exercised consciously, so how can one consciously embrace humility? By consciously manifesting the syzygy of pride's sister-sin:shame.

Shame's syzygy is strength, which is where the power of testimony and refusing to hide our shame away derives its strength.

So, unfolding "pride" reveals "shame", "humility" and "strength"as axiomatic. This axiom creates a 4 quadrant cross:this is the meaning of the symbology of the cross, aside from the actual act of Christ dying upon it, so that you could be metaphorically navigate through it as you increasingly take up Christ's yoke.

Syzygy etymologically means "to be yoked together" this is what is referenced in Matthew 11:29 when Christ says to take up his yoke and learn from him, for he is gentle and humble of heart and will bring rest to your soul.

Christendom is defined by only one truth, that Christ came, and died for our sins, fundamentally bridging the separation of space humanity places between themselves and God through sin; thats it. It doesn't matter if Christian pharisees had a bunch of ecumenical councils to further dilineate because there is only one truth.

[Pretzelle]

Yikes. Yikes yikes yikes.

[Asteria]

Resident forum tranny and their gay lover of the month still posting away in this section after 7 years I see

Yikes to infinity 😯

[douglas1999]

You know what's a really funny mental image? The smashmouth guy tumbling down a grassy hill trying to eat a big sub, and like as he tumbles the sub starts flying apart

[BlackBellamy]

...and he's like omg I've been shot and then he looks over to see Kyle Rittenhouse eating one of his salami slices.

[Topgunben]

In Is God A Moral Monster (https://www.amazon.com/God-Moral-Monster-Making-Testament/dp/0801072751/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Is+God+A+Moral+Monster&qid=1601101536&sr=8-1) it's argued that Joshua describes his battles using “ancient Near Eastern exaggeration rhetoric. Like his ancient Near Eastern contemporaries, Joshua used the language of conventional warfare rhetoric.”

In the later fifteenth century (BC so its backwards remember hehe) Tuthmosis III (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thutmose_III) could boast “the numerous army of Mitanni was overthrown within the hour, annihilated totally” but, historically the forces of Mitanni lived to fight many another day, in the fifteenth and fourteenth centuries… meaning annihilated totally = exist as an empire for another 200 years.

Under "Ancient Near East Warfare Rhetoric" theory, the language "Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." is exaggeration. God is not actually expecting or commanding Saul to hunt down every last living thing under every tree and kill them all. Instead, God's purpose is that their entire society (their religion and immoral practices) would be destroyed.

The language "utterly destroy" is often referred to as an act of worship to God (http://www.crivoice.org/terms/t-herem.html). That is, by removing the religion and practices which directly oppose God, they are offering sacrifice to God.



Just as we might say that a sports team “blew their opponents away” or “slaughtered” or “annihilated” them, the author (editor) likewise followed the rhetoric of his day.

The fact is, Youtube & biblical scholars have allowed themselves to be swept away by the upbeat, rhetorical element present in Joshua, a persistent feature of most war reports in ancient Near Eastern sources that they are not accustomed to understand and properly handle.

(edit: that said maybe the bible is a horcrux and once you figure out the correct meaning behind the words it will unlock a new doorway, what do I know!)

Edit edit: But for context of this thread? Self defense, does not mean traveling to a riot and shooting people. Hope some thing, any of this, helps someone see the light!

Love thy neighbor, keep the sabbath, follow the 10 commandments. That is all, then the rest is easy! :o

Moses went out of his way to kill an Egyptian that was mistreating a Hebrew: exodus 2 11-14

11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.

13 And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?

14 And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.


We can draw some parallels and dichotomys between Moses and Rittenhouse

1. Rittenhouse went to Kenosha = Moses went to Goshen
2. Neither Moses nor Rittenhouse went there looking for a fight
3. Moses witnesses an injustice and kills and hides the Egyptians body. Rittenhouse stops a dumpster fire and is attacked by a mob (kills 2 in self defense)
4. Both were unmarried, both were male, both were young
5. Moses tries to hide his actions while Rittenhouse turns himself in
6. Moses was rich and powerful, Rittenhouse is poor

My 2 conclusions are; it is impossible to read the biblical account above and think that Moses killing the Egyptian was simply figurative. Additionally I find it difficult to think Moses was justified in his killing, while Rittenhouse is not.

[Wutaan]

God has already killed everyone on this particular planet with a flood mind you. planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2lJUOv0hLA&t=7789s The man who made this video I think hit the nail on the head on how this event was described. As the planet warmed the Sumerians were forced to migrate further inland over generations with no end in sight at the time.

[Pretzelle]

Imagine living in the most technologically advanced society in the history of Earth and believing a supernatural, omnipotent deity exists. Total yikes.

[Snortles Chortles]

haha police killing black people good thread

[BlackBellamy]

haha police killing black people good thread

Wait. No. This is specifically about one white guy killing two white guys and injuring a third white guy. It was a totally 100% White Guy crowd. It was over in White Guy county, Whiteville I think.

If there are any people in this thread talking about police killing black people I want to apologize on their behalf and they should get their own police killing black people thread.

[Wutaan]

Imagine living in the most technologically advanced society in the history of Earth and believing a supernatural, omnipotent deity exists. Total yikes.

There is an omnipotent deity that exists, group consciousness.

[Snortles Chortles]

GUYS WHO WANTS TO COME WITH ME AND DEFEND SOME PROPERTY FROM RIOTERS
(lol)

[BlackBellamy]

Imagine living in the most technologically advanced society in the history of Earth and believing a supernatural, omnipotent deity exists. Total yikes.

If you're down with technology that means you're down with science which means you're down with statistics and no matter how much you slice that pie the statistics will tell you there is much higher chance of you not knowing what you don't understand than there is of you knowing what you don't understand, less even of understanding it in the first place.

The Rumsfeld Theorem holds that for you to be able to prove or disprove the existence of a deity, you need to know what you don't know. The Aristotelian Principle holds that a thing cannot at the same time be and not be.

If you want to dress up the mystery in scripture and prophesy, that's funny. But if you want to deny God, you're betting against the house.

[BlackBellamy]

GUYS WHO WANTS TO COME WITH ME AND DEFEND SOME PROPERTY FROM RIOTERS
(lol)

Only if it's your property. I'm assuming there is a guesthouse and some kind of endless pool. I'm not defending some ghetto basement.

(Although strictly speaking if Stalingrad taught us anything it's that basements are pretty good defensive positions, usually requiring 3kg of satchel charge to clear out.)

[Snortles Chortles]

i prefer to let the glow necros do their job

[Wutaan]

GUYS WHO WANTS TO COME WITH ME AND DEFEND SOME PROPERTY FROM RIOTERS
(lol)

Naive kid but he stood up for what he believed in, that's respectable.

[douglas1999]

Possible people to condemn:

-Rioters, who are violent and hurting countless innocent people
-Kyle Rittenhouse, who only hurt people who were trying to hurt him first
-Cops, who generally help way way more than they hurt anyone, but the instances of them hurting people are highly curated to make you angry

I'm not saying which one you should choose, it's overwhelmingly self evident. You should divide your condemnation more or less proportionally, which many people are currently doing but getting the figures precisely backward cause they're retarded.

[hobart]

Possible people to condemn:

-Rioters, who are violent and hurting countless innocent people
-Kyle Rittenhouse, who only hurt people who were trying to hurt him first
-Cops, who generally help way way more than they hurt anyone, but the instances of them hurting people are highly curated to make you angry

I'm not saying which one you should choose, it's overwhelmingly self evident. You should divide your condemnation more or less proportionally, which many people are currently doing but getting the figures precisely backward cause they're retarded.

Why choose just one? Sometimes more than one thing can be true.

It doesn't matter how it's curated. I think it's disgusting to equate property damage with human life and abuse of the citizenry by the government, but it doesn't mean I support the former any more than I support the latter. It also doesn't make them equal.

[Woke Locc]

Kyle is a rioter

[Wutaan]

Kyle is a rioter

I understand where you're coming from and from an individual standpoint, Kyle put himself in that position and it antagonized them. They will rake him through the coals but I agree with him and I am proud of him even though he was illogical and emotional about it. You have to realize, wars are fought by men, not by beta males and women.

[douglas1999]

Why choose just one? Sometimes more than one thing can be true.

It doesn't matter how it's curated. I think it's disgusting to equate property damage with human life and abuse of the citizenry by the government, but it doesn't mean I support the former any more than I support the latter. It also doesn't make them equal.

I literallly didn't say it did, I explicitly anticipated and addressed your point in the post you are replying to.

Abuse of the citizenry by a government isn't magically worse than abuse of the citizenry by the citizenry, if your concern is the abuse of human beings. Especially when the latter far, far outweighs the former unless you distort and manipulate definitions of words that have been understood for centuries.

And obviously, I'm talking specifically about what is currently happening in America in the recent past and present. I'm not talking about say, North Korea. Ironically of course, the anti-free speech logic used by the American far left at present is indistinguishable from the rationale of the North Korean government; "Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence!". Herpty derp, can't possibly imagine how that notion would be wielded and abused.

[BlackBellamy]

Kyle is a rioter

...a rioter for justice!

As Al Sharpton says, no justice no peace.

Kyle is a peace rioter.

[Googi]

haha police killing black people good thread

How is it luls gets unbanned and banned within a few hours, who is moderating this forum?

[Wutaan]

It's a testament to if you want to have the 'edgy' feelings you do be well read in them and don't interject those opinions in game to ruin my fucking immersion.

[zodium]

Marxism is irrefutable in Western logos

We still shouldn't do it it's bad

Hope this helps

marxism is empirically correct, and will remain correct until capitalism destroys itself and humanity, or humanity destroys capitalism.

[BlackBellamy]

Lots of things are empirically correct.

Like putting a bullet through every child with Down's Syndrome.

[Gwaihir]

Imagine living in the most technologically advanced society in the history of Earth and believing a supernatural, omnipotent deity exists. Total yikes.

Imagine usng Word to describe conceptualizations of Mind while sumltaneously de ying the existence of the Word.

Seek Christ.

[Googi]

Earth is an ant farm, all life minus plants were brought here by another species

there are 5 "Alien" Species ( Different races ) that live in our milky way

compared to them we are a big joke, and they have watched everything we do

it is scientifically impossible for us to evolve the way we did here in the time frame it happened in with such diversity

[Topgunben]

Earth is an ant farm, all life minus plants were brought here by another species

there are 5 "Alien" Species ( Different races ) that live in our milky way

compared to them we are a big joke, and they have watched everything we do

it is scientifically impossible for us to evolve the way we did here in the time frame it happened in with such diversity

What are the 5 alien species?

[Gwaihir]

What are the 5 alien species?

You just gotta have faith, bro.

[Spergand]

Evolve haha...hahahha

[Googi]

What are the 5 alien species?

Ask your government, they have kept our dealings with 2 of them secret for 100 years

Watch Netflix Hangar 1 for more information

[Spergand]

Holy fuck ur stupid bud

[Gwaihir]

Religious faith is for dumbs, we were created by aliens; you just gotta have faith.

We're all the same, and equal, despite all evidence to the contrary; you just gotta have faith.

There are 52 genders, and they're all equally valid to the perpetuation of the species; you just gotta have faith.

Matter and energy cannot be created; only transformed/transferred from other matter/energy, except for that one time that it spontaneously magic'd itself into existence; you just gotta have faith.

Physics can be used to explain everything in the universe, except when it cant, then we can just invoke "string theory" which is entirely indecipherable, but you just gotta have faith.

We are the smart ones. Science is on our side; you just gotta have faith, so you can be smart like us.

Signed,
The Smart Ones

[kjs86z]

https://youtu.be/NSU9ZvnudFE

cant wait for the seethe from half of you dippy doos when Kyle walks

[BlackBellamy]

So many riots in our future. I'm getting angrier and angrier at the sheer amount of civil disturbances, it's like I want to smash something. Maybe burn things.

I want to be a peaceful protester protester. A meta-rioter.

[Pretzelle]

So many riots in our future. I'm getting angrier and angrier at the sheer amount of civil disturbances, it's like I want to smash something. Maybe burn things.

I want to be a peaceful protester protester. A meta-rioter.

Just join the police force?

[Googi]

we need the NG in every city

its going to be bad in nov if donnie wins

70k a year for those combovers are making people furious

[Spergand]

Red jews or blue jews tough call

[Gwaihir]

Red jews or blue jews tough call

lol, right?

TBF though.....it was supposed to be Jeb's turn.

[douglas1999]

Jews are a tiny minority globally it's really creepy when you guys do the god damn jews thing. The vulnerable get killed first by cavemen tribes and alpha apes and shit. There's a reason good hearted people are particularly sensitive to anti jewish sentiment.

[BlackBellamy]

Red jews or blue jews tough call

red jews better looking it's science fact (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/caveman-politics/201803/science-weighs-in-conservatives-look-better)

[BlackBellamy]

So handsome.

https://imgur.com/LX838Wn.jpg

[Spergand]

Ya it doesnt make sense for them to be 90 percent of the politicians that "run this country" let's be a Christian nation. Ya im not mad, red jews are prob better

[Spergand]

Jews are a tiny minority globally it's really creepy when you guys do the god damn jews thing. The vulnerable get killed first by cavemen tribes and alpha apes and shit. There's a reason good hearted people are particularly sensitive to anti jewish sentiment.

Your heart is in the right place but i am afraid you have been led astray

[douglas1999]

Okay but... it's still paranoid and delusional. There are like a million factors that might contribute to a population's disproportionate representation in anything, many of them not obvious or highly bandied about by paranoid conspiracy nuts.

There must be some conspiracy as to why Asian americans do way, way better and earn more money per capita than white americans. It just doesn't make sense, they are such a tiny proportion of the population after all. There can't be some obvious cultural explaination or anything.

[Spergand]

Thanks for clearing that right up robo man

[Gwaihir]

6 There can't be some obvious cultural explaination or anything.

Can't be.
:rolleyes:

"There are no cats in America, and the streets are made of chee-eese.

[Spergand]

If the jews in charge didn't kill innocent people and warmonger for israel and ran the country the American.

You think it's ok because they just like controlling the goyim strong arm for israel. You're a fuckin idiot then. The government should represent its people not Israel's war machine

[Baler]

This is a post about important yet detailed answers filled with complex and even some theoretical yet vast capabilities that could possibles end up in some sort of run on sentence that means nothing but still fills in this box so that I can very much so get that sweet plus one that is so important to the vast universe that is forumquest.

[douglas1999]

If the jews in charge didn't kill innocent people and warmonger for israel and ran the country the American.

You think it's ok because they just like controlling the goyim strong arm for israel. You're a fuckin idiot then. The government should represent its people not Israel's war machine

Haha, their "War machine?". What war machine? They could easily invade and take over almost every single country that surrounds them and they don't. They don't *want* conflict, their enemies do. It's extremely easy to understand. That certainly doesn't mean they are infallible or not worthy of criticisms, but it's yet another case of people not being able to see the forest for the trees.

[Spergand]

Seems like they already have

[Spergand]

Cultural subversion through tv media etc, almost total takeover of "government", world policing through bring the good guy with remote control bombs, injecting our fake aass fabricated l.a. culture all over the world.

[BlackBellamy]

Wow they must be really smart to have done all that. Maybe it's for our own good what do we know? Stupid people are naturally fearful and afraid would you trust the stupid people with your master plan designed to save them from themselves? No, they would holocaust you. So you do it quiet like, like a professional.

[Spergand]

I don't think they do it, I'm just observing

[Patriam1066]

Lots of things are empirically correct.

Like putting a bullet through every child with Down's Syndrome.

Horrifying suggestion

my good chum

[Spergand]

They are just a vessel of bt which itgets done. One of the proofs ofthe bible the synagogue of satan are the christ deniers of this "modern era"

[BlackBellamy]

Horrifying suggestion

my good chum

It is. But whole generations of learned people argued for something like that not even a hundred years ago in this civilized country.
Because eugenics is empirically correct. Even though natural mutations will always occur you can definitely improve the gene pool by culling the defective.

What do you wind up with? A world of perfect people who are ready to kill anyone who isn't.

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, but lose his soul? -Mark 8:36

[Gwaihir]

It is. But whole generations of learned people argued for something like that not even a hundred years ago in this civilized country.
Because eugenics is empirically correct. Even though natural mutations will always occur you can definitely improve the gene pool by culling the defective.

What do you wind up with? A world of perfect people who are ready to kill anyone who isn't.

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, but lose his soul? -Mark 8:36


The Pharisees and Saducees killed Jesus and made the Talmud as apologetics because he wasn't a profit(sp).

[BlackBellamy]

Oh goddamn it see what these violent attitudes lead to?

https://imgur.com/LZiBoi3.jpg

..and now this:

https://imgur.com/4aBOdUc.jpg

People are turning into monsters.

[Toad1]

holy crap someone really punched that guy in the head for no reason?

new york is toast and will be worse then detroit in a few years, see how mad those people are then

[douglas1999]

Sucker punching people in the head is really quite progressive. You get to feel tough without having to have any pesky principles or integrity (lame!).

You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs, after all. Just stand by for a little bit and I'll show you my wonderous omelette! Trust me!

[Jibartik]

Because eugenics is empirically correct. Even though natural mutations will always occur you can definitely improve the gene pool by culling the defective.

Eugenics is NOT empirically correct, because it is still JUST THEORY. It isn't even science because you couldn't even get viable results to study with TODAY from the studies done in the 1900's due to age, let alone the lack of any control study, or ability to maintain control of the study itself. Eugenics is not based on science. They (every scientist involved) learned it's based on a fallible opinion of what is good. And that's why eugenics never worked.

The only thing it gave us were words like: imbicile, retard, moron etc (true story they used these words to classify different levels of intellect and eugenics in the 1900s gave them the definitions we use today) (iirc this is like, Darwins brother even that did that or some shit I cant remember exactly).

So next time someone tells you retard is not a good word to say, tell them "did you know that it only exists to classify someone in a eugenics study and was never used by medical science?" and it literally means the exact same thing as imbicile, and moron. Just to name a couple.

Another thing to consider is, if we're putting bullets in the heads of people with downsydrom black bellamy, then there is no reason to maintain people who have such disruptive personalities in society either, so that means we should throw you in with the eugenics eradication too.

Stronger genetics in eugenics is a matter of a fallible opinion, and nature does it better! It's what we were designed to do, adapt to nature!

[BlackBellamy]

holy crap someone really punched that guy in the head for no reason?

new york is toast and will be worse then detroit in a few years, see how mad those people are then

honey i shrunk the prison population

[Donkey Hotay]

. . . black bellamy, then there is no reason to maintain people who have such disruptive personalities in society either, so that means we should throw you in with the eugenics eradication too.

What do you wind up with? A world of perfect people who are ready to kill anyone who isn't.

Did you just miss this or what?

As for being disruptive, he's the best communicator on this site and frankly the most intelligent, at least as far as I can tell from somewhere lower on the scale. Honestly BB, you should be ashamed of hanging out in our den of losers.

[Jibartik]

No I was responding that he claimed it was empirical science. It is quite literally not even science. The only people that say that are pushers of successive breeding in human society, the absolute most hard core of racists.

If you want to know what is science, look up synthetic biology, the great thing about actual science is its actually all inclusive!

Edit: about that bit you thought I missed, based off his other posts, I thought he was saying that was a good thing.

All I'm saying is eugenics is not science its hand wavy victorian garbage experimentation.

[Woke Locc]

No I was responding that he claimed it was empirical science. It is quite literally not even science. The only people that say that are pushers of successive breeding in human society, the absolute most hard core of racists.

If you want to know what is science, look up synthetic biology, the great thing about actual science is its actually all inclusive!

If it was science, would u be down?

[Jibartik]

If it was science, would u be down?

Do you mean am I down with synthetic biology? Idk, Im just an observer :o

I think the goal of eugenics at first to rid us of disease is noble, but I literally do not know where I'd stand on these issues if I was holding any type of keys to it.

I think I would chose the right thing but have no idea if I really would.

Edit: ...Although if I walked into an asylum to see the "latest and greatest" with eugenics in 1902, Id promptly do a 180 and start writing papers about its beyond immoral practices I'm pretty sure I'm too squeamish for that no mater what timeline Im in lol

[Woke Locc]

Do you mean am I down with synthetic biology? Idk, Im just an observer :o

The eugenics thing

[Jibartik]

The eugenics thing

Haha I edited my post! :D

Edit: Although, if when I was in the waiting room of the asylum and I saw these classifications on the bulletin:

Retards:
1. Sara
2. James

Idiots:
1. Richard
2. Mark
3. Geniva

Nitwits
1. Jim
2. Clark

etc

I'd have probably lost my shit laughing and they would have kicked me out before I got to see anymore.

[Jibartik]

Idiots. —Those so defective that the mental development never exceeds that or a normal child of about two years.
Retard. — Meaning mentally deficient, a state that illegitimate children were especially prone to inheriting from their feeble-minded mothers.
Imbeciles. —Whose intelligence does not exceed that of a normal child of about seven years.
Morons. —Those whose mental development is above that of an imbecile, but does not exceed that of a normal child of about twelve years.

-Edmund Burke Huey, Backward and Feeble-Minded Children, 1912

Modern histories greatest nightmare :D

[Toad1]

all your posts are stupid jibartik

[Jibartik]

all your posts are stupid jibartik

explain

[Woke Locc]

all your posts are stupid jibartik

He's on skim now it's fine

Castle too

[Jibartik]

He's on skim now it's fine

Castle too


OT is pretty fun. Thanks Videri.

Sorry I said the R word.

[bubur]

hahaha I think i've found the perfect thread to post my story in, this is amazing

i grew up super christian but i fucking hate stupid people. once i tripped a kid when i was 5 and he face planted and got blood all over his face and shirt. i was so excited. i think that was the first time i realized i like to hurt people. my current diversion is a guy who years ago thought pointing a gun at me would be a fun joke. you see i dont like guns. i'm not political - i do hate trump and all his ilk, though, because his game is so obvious and people are so stupid for falling for it. anyway me n my friend are best buds now. he lives at my house and drinks my coffee and eats my food. and apparently pesticides taste good but make you feel like you have the flu. and you know, the best thing about one day developing cancer is we don't know enough about it to know how for sure someone got it, so when someone *does* finally get stage 3 non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, it's almost certain that no one gave it to them.

just so you know ;)

i hereby resurrect this thread only to point out that this individual on the second page has not responded in over a month after being called maerlith/stardust/asteria

i bring to you the investigation that off-topic has and always will deserve

[Toad1]

hormone pills

[BlackBellamy]

No I was responding that he claimed it was empirical science. It is quite literally not even science. The only people that say that are pushers of successive breeding in human society, the absolute most hard core of racists.

If you want to know what is science, look up synthetic biology, the great thing about actual science is its actually all inclusive!

Edit: about that bit you thought I missed, based off his other posts, I thought he was saying that was a good thing.

All I'm saying is eugenics is not science its hand wavy victorian garbage experimentation.

The statement regarding eugenics was not artful and I apologize. I didn't say it was scientific or a science. When I said "empirically correct" I was trying to convey that eugenics sounds logical. Like of course if we only have the best people breed it should make the best babies. That sounds like it should work to people who don't fully understand the science behind it. But 'empirically' was definitely the wrong word to use here, especially since I was trying to mean something quite the opposite, like 'theoretically'. Or I should have just said it sounds correct. Which is why it had so many adherents back in the day. So yeah - I'm better with wordses usually.

[Donkey Hotay]

Your use of empirical was correct. As shown by our species' manipulation of animals, if you breed for certain characteristics, you eventually get those characteristics. The difference is that no one cares if the blue ribbon heifer has a good personality.

If eugenicists had a narrow scope of desired physical characteristics, they could attain those goals. Now if you're talking psychological characteristics, then empirical gets replaced with theoretical. The paradox there is that eugenicists are the last people you want selecting for human decency.

[kjs86z]

https://i.imgur.com/KqkudTl.jpeg

[Patriam1066]

Any of you Wisconsinites been to the Untitled Art brewery? I will be in the area on business and I love their beers. Is it worth going?

Thanks and God bless