Post here every time you are disappointed by no Red 2.0 news

[Fame]

#43

[Tradesonred]

One last wow ascension mention: its boosted xp weekend

[Tassador]

Imagine playing video games with a Canadian guy who sells comic books, pretends to fights modern day Nazi's in Canada bars, and eats trash from rich people's houses. Oh and he will be naming his characters after bacteria that disperse from your asshole in feces.

[magnetaress]

Disappointed in no new red2.0 news :(

[reebz]

I wonder if Tradesensored has ever gotten someone to play a game with him in years of asking a forum full of people that dont like him for a game he got griefed off of

[torr071]

I know I read here that the p99 team were going to launch a server after green was launched but cannot find it now. but this is something that just came up from Sean 'Rogean' Norton on EQ forum boards. He straight up said there was no plans for a new red server and never said there was. Wasting our time it seems.
https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/index.php?threads/for-those-seeking-a-pvp-tlp.274187/#post-4013852

[Gustoo]

I mean can’t stop talking about it is a real quote

A literal promise maybe there wasn’t one.

Quote in my sig.

Rip?

[Jimjam]

I mean can’t stop talking about it is a real quote

A literal promise maybe there wasn’t one.

Quote in my sig.

Rip?

We just misunderstood. He meant Discord the chat service, not the pvp ruleset.

[Tradesonred]

I wonder if Tradesensored has ever gotten someone to play a game with him in years of asking a forum full of people that dont like him for a game he got griefed off of

Some people here are allrite. Most people are dumb as bricks though, not being able to distinguish between an appeal to get people to populate a server and an attempt to make friends / brain dead attempt at baiting levels of dumb. In fact its the #1 reason not to play this emulator, when the core pop is its worst enemy, tanking a server's pop.

[Snortles Chortles]

it’s like dumpster diving for treasure
(LOL)

[Disease]

Some people here are allrite. Most people are dumb as bricks though, not being able to distinguish between an appeal to get people to populate a server and an attempt to make friends / brain dead attempt at baiting levels of dumb. In fact its the #1 reason not to play this emulator, when the core pop is its worst enemy, tanking a server's pop.

Maybe the server doesn't want the toxic people who went to roz to come back? Enjoy the server where you get free level 60 raid geared characters with epics summoned by the gm and call it competition

[Tradesonred]

Maybe the server doesn't want the toxic people who went to roz to come back? Enjoy the server where you get free level 60 raid geared characters with epics summoned by the gm and call it competition

What the fuck is RoZ, the only emu i played is red99. If it wasnt for "whiny bitches" like me, youd have no server. It would have stayed at one digit pop like it was before xp loss in pvp was patched. And this guy cant read, i was talking about ascension, not p99. I took the responses to my mentioning ascenscion as a template of what the red99 population is once every cool and normal people left and server distilled to its most potent toxic elements. If you werent here at Red99 launch and watched a 600 people server drop to 8-9 off hours, you probably need to stfu.

[Gustoo]

Disappointed.

[Dulu]

We're literally getting a Teams PvP classic server in Reign of Thule.

Hyped af.

https://discord.gg/EwKFTfHa

[Baler]

I am disappointed that nilbog and rogean don't need pvp donations.

[Disease]

What the fuck is RoZ, the only emu i played is red99. If it wasnt for "whiny bitches" like me, youd have no server. It would have stayed at one digit pop like it was before xp loss in pvp was patched. And this guy cant read, i was talking about ascension, not p99. I took the responses to my mentioning ascenscion as a template of what the red99 population is once every cool and normal people left and server distilled to its most potent toxic elements. If you werent here at Red99 launch and watched a 600 people server drop to 8-9 off hours, you probably need to stfu.

There wouldnt be a server without you? No there wouldnt be a server without rogean and nilbog... Play the server or move on. It doesnt matter what the server was 6 years ago, its 2021.

[Disease]

We're literally getting a Teams PvP classic server in Reign of Thule.

Hyped af.

https://discord.gg/EwKFTfHa

The server is ran by Gangsta... Let that sink in.

[Tradesonred]

There wouldnt be a server without you? No there wouldnt be a server without rogean and nilbog... Play the server or move on. It doesnt matter what the server was 6 years ago, its 2021.

Me and maybe 2 other people led this battle against Rogean and the rest of the server for a year on the forums. When something was done, finally, the damage was done and the server pop had already bled heavily. Im not saying there wouldnt be a server, but if i was silent during the first year and people who trolled rogean saying everything was fine because they thought it was funny to see people not ever log in again had won, i dont think the server would have survived to be even in the sad ass shape it is today.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/th8fWcW.jpeg

[Gustoo]

https://i.imgur.com/th8fWcW.jpeg

move to resolved

[Tradesonred]

Thats part of why i dont expect things to be different in 2.0. Nothing in that approach seems to have changed. This is our server and if youre not happy you can gtfo. Ill probably play it, because EQ pvp classic, but my expectations are way lower this time around. Probably just be funny popcorn time to see Rogean not make a brainstorm thread to debate the pros and cons of different server setups and decide on one on a whim, and wait 1.5 years to listen to feedback again after the initial pop is 85% gone.

[Tradesonred]

https://i.imgur.com/th8fWcW.jpeg

I know what i did last summer

[magnetaress]

#54

Tldr: if you have less posts than me in this thread you work for a living

(Lol)

[Gustoo]

Not keeping track but I’m paid to post here

Disappointment levels at all time high

[Danger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EcP4vQyqS8&ab_channel=theNathanNAPALM

[Kerwin 5.0]

came here to check again, just let people box on red, might actually get some more population till you delete it

[magnetaress]

came here to check again, just let people box on red, might actually get some more population till you delete it

[Fame]

#44

[Rushmore]

#1

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

Fresh red will be 500-600 at launch and settle around 300-400. Not sure why that would be a bad thing.

[Kokkusho]

#54

Tldr: if you have less posts than me in this thread you work for a living

(Lol)

Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 5,063

Drugs...

[magnetaress]

I'm really upset. I would easily have 30k between all my banned accounts.

[Fame]

#45

[Gustoo]

Disappointed

[Baler]

Red had zero players online today, feelsbadman.

[Gustoo]

Actually hit zero? Wish I saw it.

Edit - eq emu was down

[magnetaress]

Actually hit zero? Wish I saw it.

Edit - eq emu was down

Servers were temporarily unavailable. We almost had red 2.0

[Jollygood Hood]

red is incredibly fun, as is.

[pivo]

red is incredibly fun, as is.

Yes, I completely stopped playing on Blue and Green.

[Gustoo]

Glad for new players to PVP

Disappointed no new server for them and others.

confirmed red 1.0 still best eq server on market today.

[magnetaress]

Got my computer fired up for the first time in months. Might log on. Lots of numbness in my extremities from jnj vax.

Fighting to stay alive long enough 2 see red2.0 launch

[Gustoo]

That is a high level of disappointment that I can't match.

But I'm still disappointed.

[starkind]

Starkind gently floats about the space red2.0 is expected to eminate from.

[Bardp1999]

R.I.Pissssss

[Fame]

#46

[starkind]

#2

[Fame]

#47

[Kokkusho]

.

[starkind]

#3

[Tradesonred]

Cant even bait tassador and lulz to troll me anymore. Just pull the plug already, this thing is dead.

[Gustoo]

Ya pretty bad

At this point if the wiki was destroyed people just wouldn’t do quests

[starkind]

destroying the wiki could lose us everquest forever, allt he info is pretty obfuscated and depricated these days

red1.0 is fine

red2.0 would be even better

dissapointment is minimals

[watbab]

destroying the wiki could lose us everquest forever, allt he info is pretty obfuscated and depricated these days

red1.0 is fine

red2.0 would be even better

dissapointment is minimals

only way to truly relive EQ 1999 would be to introduce some sort of randomizer component to make all the wiki know-how useless

[Gustoo]

only way to truly relive EQ 1999 would be to introduce some sort of randomizer component to make all the wiki know-how useless

Agreed.

But can the wiki be backed up in quadruplicate? I agree with other poster about the fact that most of the classic everquest info is hard to find now as it gets burried under the 2.0 and 3.0 versions of everything.

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

Classic only, no expansions. Race War. Hummies v shorts v elfs v evils

[Gynecologist]

WHERE RED 2

[Fame]

#48

[starkind]

shark

bite

says

need

new

red

[Gustoo]

I'm going to try to only check here once a week to minimize my exposure to brain damage and possibly to minimize the brain damage I cause the community.

Weekly disappointment #1

Need new red.

[Fame]

#49

[Gynecologist]

Hail where is [it] at

[Tradesonred]

only way to truly relive EQ 1999 would be to introduce some sort of randomizer component to make all the wiki know-how useless

Thats actually the best suggestion ive read here in years. Wont happen here, but it certainly would make everything fresh again.

[nottitanuk]

k

[Fame]

#50

[Snortles Chortles]

pretty cringe gif titty

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/IDcqKWY.gif

[Bhairava]

where my red 2.0

where my item loot

huh u gonna answer me rogen

[Tune]

u crybabies cant handle item loot

[Bhairava]

tooune

[starkind]

u crybabies cant handle item loot

I routinely level to level 20 naked, would be no sweat for me.

[Jimjam]

Logged in to red today, disappointed to see all my old characters and not a new 2.0 fresh start.

[Jimjam]

Just logged in to red again and all my characters were missing!

Very excited, is this 2.0!?

[Jimjam]

:/ redid my log in and the characters are back. It was just the same old glitch.

[Gustoo]

Sorry your account didn't wipe Jimjam.

Post info here for further assistance.

This is my weekly disappointment post. Good luck gang.

[starkind]

I ported someone on red today, but was really sad my character was decked out in gear and everyone was oor.

[Jimjam]

!PVP HAPPENED ALERT!

After spending a few days without /role or /anon on, someone finally had the sociality to reciprocate my open invitation for play/pvp.

After a vicious few minutes of pet attacking and lifetapping, they struck Hatespawn down, but they were too late to foil my mission of looting an essence of shadow.

Until next time...

[Bhairava]

congrats jamajm

wipe red clean

[Fame]

#51

[starkind]

todays patch hints at low lvl MQ quests that would be GREAT on a Rallos CLASSIC RESIST VANILLA ITEMLOOT BOX.

[Baler]

I'm ready to defend the innothule swamp from non-troll allies.

[starkind]

I'm ready to defend the innothule swamp from non-troll allies.

https://i.imgur.com/bC4SjWw.png

[Gustoo]

If a rallos server was made that didn't make everyone sub level 50 in vanilla and sub level 60 in kunark total trashcan losers like all non item loot servers do, then I can commit to playing every single wednesday for a solid 5 or so hours and will choose a region to PVP, like the good old days.

Expect cheap shots through the windows in the throne room in crushbone.

Also should never go to Kunark tbh just make it a righteous PVP battle server. Ya I don't care that you can fully beat the game without being a complete psychopath, that is the point. Then people can do some good work on the PVP side.

Level requirements for all planar items of course.

Otherwise it better be infinite PVP range so that twink griefer murderers can just be obliterated by level 60's since no one in a +- 4 level range has any reason to engage these guys.

Thanks for listening. Distapointered.

[Bhairava]

If a rallos server was made that didn't make everyone sub level 50 in vanilla and sub level 60 in kunark total trashcan losers like all non item loot servers do, then I can commit to playing every single wednesday for a solid 5 or so hours and will choose a region to PVP, like the good old days.

Expect cheap shots through the windows in the throne room in crushbone.

Also should never go to Kunark tbh just make it a righteous PVP battle server. Ya I don't care that you can fully beat the game without being a complete psychopath, that is the point. Then people can do some good work on the PVP side.

Level requirements for all planar items of course.

Otherwise it better be infinite PVP range so that twink griefer murderers can just be obliterated by level 60's since no one in a +- 4 level range has any reason to engage these guys.

Thanks for listening. Distapointered.

[Baler]

is stream sniping allowed on red?

[A Knight]

I could do rallos but I would be bummed that guilds are required for planar gear so I could have gear and not play for a bit and have confidence I could keep it.

And I would need kunark. I won't be an EQ anti-blasphemer and find all those who speech such foul word of Velious. I hear everyone say Velious is bad for pvp so I'm not going to pretend it doesn't exist and hope it goes away. I could even play Velious but I understand my opinion might be overridden for something that everyone argues works.

[A Knight]

Oh yea disappointed.

[starkind]

is stream sniping allowed on red?

Yes

[pivo]

OK will do my part, I'z disappointed also ;)

Too many highly twinked players are chasing down noobs, who are trying to get their first pieces of gear. Too big gap. New server would even things out a little bit...

[Gustoo]

^^ Pix or it didn't happen??

Last I checked, if you can have passable new-to-red persona you will get a quality pixel package and a robust power level and guild invite if you log in more than 2 times in a row.

I haven't seen too many of anything since like 2017. Are we talking about the same server?

95% of zones have zero players in them, and at any level range there is a zero player zone that can accommodate your needs to avoid PVP.

[Sguchi]

All you have to do is log in to see that pivo is right, Gustoo. Let me know when you log in and I'll show you my package.

[Gustoo]

I logged in one month ago visted every city and even walked to qeynos just to find ghost towns and vendors with no player sold items since last reset.

I then returned to rivervale and killed nillipuss that bastard.

But if you guys are seeing noobs get smashed still I guess there is someone out there that still cares about making red, red.

[Fame]

#52

[starkind]

I may jump back on red 1.0 for a bit in anticipation of red 2.0

Blue/ green are a bust rly.

Someone plz bow me with troll war...

Also this probably explains why my ranger killed someone in Kunark lol.

[Kokkusho]

.

[Bhairava]

thinkin of making an iksar monk on red, playing him to level 5 and then quitting forever or getting addicted to pills hbu

[Baler]

thinkin of making an iksar monk on red, playing him to level 5 and then quitting forever or getting addicted to pills hbu

You should try some shark fin.

[Bhairava]

You should try some shark fin.

im a vegetarian, only time i eat meat is when i pretend to be eating pickeled halfling (but its just normal pickels)

[Bhairava]

yeah nobody rps amymore

too much ass clenching striver stuff trying to 'win' at a rpg

[Kaahbal]

Would be fun to play some EverQuest

[Jimjam]

Arranged to meet a friend on green @ the arena in Halas. It wasn't pvp enabled.

Made me feel disappointed by lack of red 2.

[Fame]

#53

[Baler]

I want teams pvp please

[starkind]

Halas arena was disabled so bluebies could hand in their gnoll teeth in utter and completely unclassic safety.

I'm sure of it

[Gustoo]

Halas arena was disabled so bluebies could hand in their gnoll teeth in utter and completely unclassic safety.

I'm sure of it

Probably the most despicable news I have heard all year including all the other real life atrocities.

Disappointed.

[Danger]

Its 2023, the crypto bull market of 2024 is still 2 seasons away I think to myself as my Lambo Veneno Roadster self parks in front of the AMC movie theater. Its opening night for the new Highlander film starring Henry Cavil. As I glance at the Highlander movie poster outside of the theater I think to myself "It's almost like looking at a mirror." My introspective thought is interrupted as a hologram emerges from my smart phone as a anime fairy which says "HEY, LISTEN! CHAINLINK IS DOWN TO $800"", I chuckle as I place the phone into the custom velvet lined pocket of my Stuart Hughes Diamond Edition suit jacket. I'll buy the dip later. As I hand the non-Bitcoin holding usher my ticket stubs I check the time on my The Rolex GMT Master II Ice, ah yes, there should be plenty of time to make it home after the movie to buff up from the first Vox attempt on Red 2.0. As the previews begin to roll across the movie screen in the erudite free movie theater I turn my smart phone to silent as to not be interrupted by numerous text messages by Sean Norton. It's true, you know, Rogean cannot stop talking about it.

[Gustoo]

I turn my smart phone to silent as to not be interrupted by numerous text messages by Sean Norton. It's true, you know, Rogean cannot stop talking about it.

Gold

[Fame]

#54

Holy fuck that was scary, upgrade ios software and my password reset or something and I cant remember it. Luckily my old laptop still has it remembered.

[Ragnaros]

rogean CANT stop talking about red99 2.0

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

A little bird informed me of a new team assembling to build a classic team pvp server. Probably still at least a year out tho

[Disease]

A little bird informed me of a new team assembling to build a classic team pvp server. Probably still at least a year out tho

Take that racist avatar down or I will report you.

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

Take that racist avatar down or I will report you.

My child is part black so its ok, I have a pass.

[Disease]

My child is part black so its ok, I have a pass.

So you can post racist pictures because your child is part black? Wow. The report has been sent.

[A Knight]

Disappointed. Need new server any ruleset. All fights in TOV = Permadeath or iksars vs all, but iksars have plus 200hp.

[Jollygood Hood]

Take that racist avatar down or I will report you.

dEaR mArK zUcCeRbErG, RaCiSm, BuHHHHH

[Gustoo]

Disappointed.

[Danger]

rich but id trade it all for some blackburrow pvp on a fresh box

[Fame]

#55

[Gustoo]

Disappointing start.

[Wurlabit]

nt

[starkind]

Pretty depressed and it's close to 2022 and no new red

[Tradesonred]

Word on the street is next time youll be playing a fresh p99 red server youll be doing it in full VR strapped to a gyro chair with neuro plugs.

[Danger]

rogean start talking about it pls

[Gustoo]

Bump for talking about it. Actually I don't know if I will even play at this point full burnt out from the campaign for red 2.0 but hopefully some other chaps can have a good time.

[starkind]

15

[Danger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZa0Yh6e7dw

[starkind]

16

[Fame]

#56

[Gustoo]

No updates huh.

[Baler]

I just want teams pvp

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

I thought I wanted teams until I tried RoT. It wont work unless you have 200+ on consistently and that's not going to happen.

[Kokkusho]

bump

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

bump

[Shac]

https://youtu.be/8g18jFHCLXk

[Flexin]

bump

[A Knight]

Disappointed.

If devs are ever ready for a new server, maybe it would be best to take a risk and go rallos. I just don't want to guild for no drop items but oh well /shrugs. I can still hermit to myself some how.

[JayDee]

Red thriving with 19 players as of this post

[Gustoo]

Full disappointment

[Hamburgalur]

R E D 2 . 0
pls

[Bhairava]

i hope rogain DOESNT make a new red server (reverse psychology)

[Danger]

still mad sad and bad

[Gustoo]

I thought I would be disappointed today, and I was right.

[Disease]

I thought I would be disappointed today, and I was right.

Try the Blue or Green server on the server select screen. These are also ran by the same folks who run the red server. You can /duel and still get your pvp fix.

[crossplay]

i hope rogain DOESNT make a new red server (reverse psychology)

Maybe this is the way. I hope to never see a red server again in my lifetime.

[Disease]

Maybe this is the way. I hope to never see a red server again in my lifetime.

Once seen Rogean play a game of Texas hold em for over 36 hours, he doesn't bend or break. If another red server was to exist, it would be on his own accord.

[Danger]

https://i.imgur.com/q0D6QPf.png

[Baler]

legit wanted OG red server from the 1999 days but I guess the 2021 babies cant handle it.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=20728&dateline=1587449274

this guy knows

[crossplay]

I thought I would be disappointed today, and I was right.

Erry day

[starkind]

still dissapointed tbqvfh after all this time

gona be on my deathbed, no red2.0

[Rick Sanchez]

For the tech savy people, how hard would it honestly be to wipe it and just restart timeline?

[Gustoo]

I've been doing some serious research lately, and all of the empirical evidence points towards rather conclusively towards disappointment.

[A Knight]

Permadeath after two deaths, but gargoyle eyes allow you to die once every, 5 eyes.

Evil team only gets one starting death. Evil vs all.

Weapon item drop increased by 25 percent, Armor drop decreased by 15 percent.

Disappointed

[Gustoo]

Permadeath after two deaths, but gargoyle eyes allow you to die once every, 5 eyes.

Evil team only gets one starting death. Evil vs all.

Weapon item drop increased by 25 percent, Armor drop decreased by 15 percent.

Disappointed

Literally any idea is fine at this point don't even care as long as its fresh and pvp enabled. I would swear a blood oath to not complain for 365 days

[starkind]

A new page a new day full of disappointment.

[Danger]

rogean, start talking about it

[JayDee]

That is kinda sad only 40 people Sunday primetime

[Disease]

Red players trolled Rogean for years. Now he gets to troll them for the rest of their lives. LOL!

[Barik]

Red players trolled Rogean for years. Now he gets to troll them for the rest of their lives. LOL!

Pretty much this, I'm sure there we're some legitimate adults on red but lets be honest here. How much are them are super degenerate people, drug addicts, low life losers. I mean hell, what's that video of the sharkfin guy who looks fucking zonked out of his head.

[Disease]

Pretty much this, I'm sure there we're some legitimate adults on red but lets be honest here. How much are them are super degenerate people, drug addicts, low life losers. I mean hell, what's that video of the sharkfin guy who looks fucking zonked out of his head.

Exactly. The red population put it on themselves. Hopefully this is a wake up call for their players that if you bitch and moan, you do not get what you want.

[Gustoo]

But if we keep posting in this thread, success is guaranteed!

[Tewaz]

Disappointed.

What do you guys want to happen with red99 toons?

I say just dump them to blue and leave them pvp flagged.

[Gustoo]

Leave them on ded99 like the blue boys makes the most sense to me.

[Tradesonred]

Exactly. The red population put it on themselves. Hopefully this is a wake up call for their players that if you bitch and moan, you do not get what you want.

The problem with this angle on red toxicity is that they fostered it. We told em not to, but they didnt listen. For people whove been here since 2011, its always been like this. They never tell us anything, decide things on a whim without having a solid discussion of the pros and cons of major decisions. Then they let that decision's consequence rot the server till they have no choice but act, by then theyve lost yet another chunk of the pop. Its not like their nonchalance and months/years silence is caused by the toxicity. More like 2 things happening at the same time, and part of the toxicity (like mine) is caused by the way they handle everything.

Theyre doing it now to red. Id probably start a char on red if i knew they wont pull the plug out of left field in 3 months. But of course we dont know. We might or not get a fresh red server, but we dont know. Its not hard to feedback your community like "We know you want a fresh server but its not happening till 2023, if at all". Its a simple respect of people's time thing.

[Gustoo]

The problem with this angle on red toxicity is that they fostered it. We told em not to, but they didnt listen. For people whove been here since 2011, its always been like this. They never tell us anything, decide things on a whim without having a solid discussion of the pros and cons of major decisions. Then they let that decision's consequence rot the server till they have no choice but act, by then theyve lost yet another chunk of the pop. Its not like their nonchalance and months/years silence is caused by the toxicity. More like 2 things happening at the same time, and part of the toxicity (like mine) is caused by the way they handle everything.

Theyre doing it now to red. Id probably start a char on red if i knew they wont pull the plug out of left field in 3 months. But of course we dont know. We might or not get a fresh red server, but we dont know. Its not hard to feedback your community like "We know you want a fresh server but its not happening till 2023, if at all". Its a simple respect of people's time thing.

Well said

[Tewaz]

Preach!

The lack of communication is absolutely astonishing.

[Baler]

didn't read OP

I fully throw my hat arena of character trading for plat.

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Make people donate for "coins" to do this services.
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BLUE SERVER ONLY

[Shac]

where is the discord permadeath server already @staff?

[Danger]

bob the broker was rogean change my mind

[Rick Sanchez]

bob the broker was rogean change my mind

I know during the paymelinda days Rogean was 100% making money off of the server. So we're talking 2011-2013ish which was right when Kunark launched which was peak p99.

[Gustoo]

Whoever Bob was he was definitely connected enough to have the name Bob

However, whatever it was those days were way more fun. Trading accounts and when red came out cross trading plat and items was great. Luckily they both went on for quite a long time but it was a sad change to see it become super restrictive from the fun pile that it used to be.

[JipXIII]

Hopefully 2.0 has BoFA in its loot table

[Disease]

The problem with this angle on red toxicity is that they fostered it. We told em not to, but they didnt listen. For people whove been here since 2011, its always been like this. They never tell us anything, decide things on a whim without having a solid discussion of the pros and cons of major decisions. Then they let that decision's consequence rot the server till they have no choice but act, by then theyve lost yet another chunk of the pop. Its not like their nonchalance and months/years silence is caused by the toxicity. More like 2 things happening at the same time, and part of the toxicity (like mine) is caused by the way they handle everything.

Theyre doing it now to red. Id probably start a char on red if i knew they wont pull the plug out of left field in 3 months. But of course we dont know. We might or not get a fresh red server, but we dont know. Its not hard to feedback your community like "We know you want a fresh server but its not happening till 2023, if at all". Its a simple respect of people's time thing.

Notice how blue and green have no problems with gms? Population? It's time for the red community to look inward and accept they ruined their chances of some day getting another red server.

[Makeitrain]

zek live is doing better than red heh

2 healthy guilds

instances tho

[Baler]

Teams with faster timeline progression
Reset and dump characters into red.

[Kaahbal]

Go red go

[Tradesonred]

Notice how blue and green have no problems with gms? Population? It's time for the red community to look inward and accept they ruined their chances of some day getting another red server.

Im not gonna deny a big chunk of reds population is toxic. But that is what im trying to explain. They fostered it. I kept saying in forums the first year with a couple of others that xp loss in pvp was killin the pop and funneling the gameplay to you either zerg or you dont pvp, unless youre a masochist. They didnt listen until like half the server was gone. A substancial part of the remaining pop were people who enjoyed griefing.
Hot on the heels of that, Sirken nerfs xp during Kunark. I left and never looked back, at that lack of consideration for players. Of course its their server and they can do whatever the fuck they want, but the same is true for players, devs arent entitled a succesful, populated server. They have to work at it. They didnt, beyond putting a server up and this is the result.

[Muaar]

i was once gm slayed and banned just long enough for my corpse to rot

[JayDee]

Vztz was 10x as toxic and we loved it. Even went through two wipes, three if you count early stages.

I was amazed by the amount of communication and how helpful people were on red for the short time I played.

[Raclen]

Despite the bad calls and crap GMs on this server Red was successful for a pvp server. The only problem is it never reset and is stuck in Velious forever now.

[Gustoo]

Despite the bad calls and crap GMs on this server Red was successful for a pvp server. The only problem is it never reset and is stuck in Velious forever now.

Yep. Everything tradesonred says is true and he isn't even covering all the bad deets. But it was a super successful PVP server despite an insane handicap from decisions and actions that would be easy to avoid on red 2.0

A lot of people will throw in for the next one, I just hope they do some custom to make the progression maximum enjoyable.

[Raclen]

Yep. Everything tradesonred says is true and he isn't even covering all the bad deets. But it was a super successful PVP server despite an insane handicap from decisions and actions that would be easy to avoid on red 2.0

A lot of people will throw in for the next one, I just hope they do some custom to make the progression maximum enjoyable.

There isn't going to be a new red99. The devs have moved on and don't care about it enough. People need to get over their fixation on a server having to have the p99 stamp on it. Gangsta is doing a good job with RoT and keeping it open source for others to be able to build on it. There is at least a classic pvp server available if people want to play before it is polished and eventually there will be a polished project for anyone to pick up and make their own.

[Gustoo]

Hey I do support people doing the gangsta box, but I also think the next P99 server is going to be PVP based on much evidences.

Plus, its a good place for them to experiment with alternate fixes for "legacy" items while not risking their credibility on the seemingly much more important non PVP servers.

They made red 99 which was a long shot and the entire reason I came to this project, and I don't think they'll disappoint with red 2.0 except the disappointment we all feel every single day that we check this message board and see no updates.

[Imago]

I'm hoping once Green finishes up, they do a Red 2.0 edition that will dump into Red 1.0 eventually.

Honestly, the idea of a capped level period (like level 10 for 4 weeks) is thrilling. Bring back Crushbone PVP

[Disease]

Im not gonna deny a big chunk of reds population is toxic. But that is what im trying to explain. They fostered it. I kept saying in forums the first year with a couple of others that xp loss in pvp was killin the pop and funneling the gameplay to you either zerg or you dont pvp, unless youre a masochist. They didnt listen until like half the server was gone. A substancial part of the remaining pop were people who enjoyed griefing.
Hot on the heels of that, Sirken nerfs xp during Kunark. I left and never looked back, at that lack of consideration for players. Of course its their server and they can do whatever the fuck they want, but the same is true for players, devs arent entitled a succesful, populated server. They have to work at it. They didnt, beyond putting a server up and this is the result.

Left and never looked back? You post/visit/use these forums to this day? This is the problem with red players. You guys troll staff in one thread and then cry they do nothing in another.

Honestly do you guys hold any accountability for the way red went?

[Gustoo]

Honestly, the idea of a capped level period (like level 10 for 4 weeks) is thrilling. Bring back Crushbone PVP

Yeah, to be honest I would play on a level 10 capped server every single day till everyone else quits. Full item loot. Everyone decked out in banded and cloth and low level jacinth garbage MR bracers, elite guys got the tunic from emperor crush tunic from the time 200 level 10's banded together to raid crushbone. :P

It's weird because all the P99 servers seem to really be focused on what shit is happening at level 60, when 80% of everquest population never hit level 50. Thats why it bums me out when we get PVP rulesets that nerf the low level game.

[A Knight]

Disappointed.

Large race hit radius increased. (Now that I think about it, I don't know any race hit radiuses) But xp penalty removed for all races and classes.

Small race hit radius decreased. Giants vs small.

All chest pieces have at least 1 regen, gradually increasing in quality of item and never exceeding 5, unless Fungi.

[A Knight]

Also disappointed I'm not going to be able to play p99 for a long time. I hope its still around by the time I play.

Heck I'd even take a Luclin only server as my fate, if I can't play p99 for another year plus.

[Tradesonred]

Left and never looked back? You post/visit/use these forums to this day? This is the problem with red players. You guys troll staff in one thread and then cry they do nothing in another.

Honestly do you guys hold any accountability for the way red went?

How is anything i said trolling, are you stupid? Ive been giving constructive feedback for a decade, even to this day. I probably put in more hours on the forum trying to give feedback to steer the boat in the right direction than any GMs whove past through here. It is clear that what i meant by never looked back is that ive decided not to invest time playing on a server with such flaky direction. Id play on a new server if they get their shit together. Enjoy that reply because its the last one youre getting, i'll engage with people who are not going to waste my time.

[Tradesonred]

There isn't going to be a new red99. The devs have moved on and don't care about it enough. People need to get over their fixation on a server having to have the p99 stamp on it. Gangsta is doing a good job with RoT and keeping it open source for others to be able to build on it. There is at least a classic pvp server available if people want to play before it is polished and eventually there will be a polished project for anyone to pick up and make their own.

The funny thing about this is im pretty sure everyone would have moved on if there was any MMO worth playing with a modern take on the good MMOs of the past. The fact that we are still here waiting for some miracle is a sad indictment of the state of MMOs today. The only one that comes close is albion and its just that, coming close.

[Tradesonred]

Yeah, to be honest I would play on a level 10 capped server every single day till everyone else quits. Full item loot. Everyone decked out in banded and cloth and low level jacinth garbage MR bracers, elite guys got the tunic from emperor crush tunic from the time 200 level 10's banded together to raid crushbone. :P

It's weird because all the P99 servers seem to really be focused on what shit is happening at level 60, when 80% of everquest population never hit level 50. Thats why it bums me out when we get PVP rulesets that nerf the low level game.

Thats where the whole thing failed. I remember Rogean laughing off criticism of xp loss in pvp like this isnt CoD. We got a pvp server run by a non-pvper. Its clear he had no idea of what Gfay and crushbone was like on Rallos, how fun it was and how it was the heart of EQ pvp. After devs realised they made a huge mistake, they removed it and afterwards the server just felt abandoned, on maintenance mode. Probably told Sirken do whatever the fuck you want which is what he did, pretty much killing what was left of the server.

[Danger]

Bring back Crushbone PVP

https://i.imgur.com/O7jR196.png

[Swish]

https://i.imgur.com/X5idYfN.gif

[Zuranthium]

Despite the bad calls and crap GMs on this server Red was successful for a pvp server. The only problem is it never reset and is stuck in Velious forever now.

Biggest problem was guild zerg, which should have been addressed by limiting the number of people per guild allowed in a zone and locking people out from looting raid targets if they weren't the guild that killed it (first step in blocking people from cheating the system, there's others, but don't need to write it all out).

Velious itself is a big problem, it's too imbalanced and creates too much PvE shit to do, putting people off doing PvP. It also further splits up the game world, which isn't good for a lower population server.

Plugging shouldn't work, it should cause the person to come out on the other side linkdead, and zoning times should be standardized.

Melee damage in PvP was also a bit too high in Kunark era (and absolutely ridiculous in Velious).

[A Knight]

I don't know if Velious is bad for pvp. I've heard a couple people saying it, from time to time, as the reason red died. I could not know what I'm talking about and just repeating a few others opinions. I like Velious as an expansion.

[Gustoo]

This is a disappointed thread lets stay on the super important topic.

[Tassador]

I don't know if Velious is bad for pvp. I've heard a couple people saying it, from time to time, as the reason red died. I could not know what I'm talking about and just repeating a few others opinions. I like Velious as an expansion.

Red died because the content could not provide any further satisfaction for the core set of players who were on fumes already. EQ is about journeys always is always will be. I’d have a quarter of the play time to play a new red but would still gladly play a new red with timeline and just casual qb my way to 50.

I’d never play on a server that I can buy ice comet and level to 50 in 3 days. When EQ becomes diablo2 it’s time to move on to a new server.

[Disease]

It died because the players were assholes who couldn't get along and the staff was forced to step back after trying for many years. Think it's a coincidence that everquest live servers never release a pvp server?

[pink grapefruit]

pve players just as toxic tbh.

[Amyas]

pve players just as toxic tbh.

The kind of bergering out crazy behavior that is accepted sometimes encouraged on red will get you black listed on blue. The amount of Jr high locker room trash talk that goes on in occ or in tells is not palatable for many people in their 30s and 40s. It is often extremely vulgar and excessive.

The blue toxic players are way more manipulative imo.

[Tunabros]

want new red

i want to play an ogre warrior and smash people in veeshan's peak

[Tunabros]

A SERVER WIPE WILL BE GREAT

THAT'S ALL

NO NEED TO MAKE A NEW SERVER THAT'S LIKE GREEN and "PURE" CLASSIC

[Gustoo]

I see the bad tells on blue and green too.

The global OOC was a dumb ass non classic add on that the staff never should have included. It was the dumbest god forsaken decision ever made besides going with a full custom ruleset on a classic oriented EMU it just exploded my entire brain.

Sorry if these comments make any still with us staff member who made this very wrong decision. I still support you but you made a bad choice.

New red is going to be great.

[Zuranthium]

It died because the players were assholes who couldn't get along and the staff was forced to step back after trying for many years. Think it's a coincidence that everquest live servers never release a pvp server?

It doesn't matter if people are assholes if the rules of the game are fair and effective. Everything on a PvP server, aside from outright hacking exploits, can and should be resolved with PvP. A PvP server should take far less management than a PvE server, because "kill stealing" and training should simply be features rather than problems.

Adding to the list of things I wrote, balance issues like actually being able to snare people would greatly aid in being able to resolve said problems. One of the big problems with EQ PvP, once people get resist gear, is that they get to just run around freely. Not being able to plug would help towards fixing the issue, but even then the issue of Bard speed and such remains. There needs to be short duration snares that work in PvP, so individuals can be swiftly dispatched by a group of people. Something like not being able to get back into a zone for a period of time after being PvP killed twice in it would also be helpful and make the PvP more meaningful.

[pink grapefruit]

It doesn't matter if people are assholes if the rules of the game are fair and effective. Everything on a PvP server, aside from outright hacking exploits, can and should be resolved with PvP. A PvP server should take far less management than a PvE server, because "kill stealing" and training should simply be features rather than problems.

Adding to the list of things I wrote, balance issues like actually being able to snare people would greatly aid in being able to resolve said problems. One of the big problems with EQ PvP, once people get resist gear, is that they get to just run around freely. Not being able to plug would help towards fixing the issue, but even then the issue of Bard speed and such remains. There needs to be short duration snares that work in PvP, so individuals can be swiftly dispatched by a group of people. Something like not being able to get back into a zone for a period of time after being PvP killed twice in it would also be helpful and make the PvP more meaningful.

Nirgon threw such a fit when the resists were not classic and you could actually snare people. There won't be any pleasing everyone, but at this point I think we'd all play regardless of ruleset specifics. Item loot, custom resist code, teams, SZ-style "no rules"; doesn't matter. We'd all play it lol :P

[Disease]

It doesn't matter if people are assholes if the rules of the game are fair and effective. Everything on a PvP server, aside from outright hacking exploits, can and should be resolved with PvP. A PvP server should take far less management than a PvE server, because "kill stealing" and training should simply be features rather than problems.

Adding to the list of things I wrote, balance issues like actually being able to snare people would greatly aid in being able to resolve said problems. One of the big problems with EQ PvP, once people get resist gear, is that they get to just run around freely. Not being able to plug would help towards fixing the issue, but even then the issue of Bard speed and such remains. There needs to be short duration snares that work in PvP, so individuals can be swiftly dispatched by a group of people. Something like not being able to get back into a zone for a period of time after being PvP killed twice in it would also be helpful and make the PvP more meaningful.

So the problem was balance issues? So why do you want another red server when they haven't patched the first one since velious, 6 years ago? Be honest.

[Zuranthium]

So the problem was balance issues? So why do you want another red server when they haven't patched the first one since velious, 6 years ago? Be honest.

What is this supposed to mean? I'd like to see the game/server be improved and there's ways they can definitely do it, without needing to put too much effort in. Clearly they think Red server is not worth the hassle, but it's very possible to attract more players and for the Red server to actually require less GM work for that amount of players than a PvE server. So, hopefully they eventually listen to the wonderful advice I've provided.

[Sguchi]

New PvP server plz

[Tunabros]

the drug users playing on red currently is what's keeping it "alive"

nice one, guys!

[Gustoo]

Disappointed today.

[Tradesonred]

So the problem was balance issues? So why do you want another red server when they haven't patched the first one since velious, 6 years ago? Be honest.

Ill answer this one even though i said i wouldnt reply to disease anymore. The problem you are not seeing here by trying to pin everything on the players (and there is alot to pin on the players) is that we are kept in the dark. Who here wants to invest time on red when things are so incertain? Id roll on red if theyd just come out and say "Red 2.0 will never happen, stop waiting for it" or just give us a fucking clue about where things are going. But they arent.

Contrary to your belief that everything is the players fault, this is par for the course, since day 1. People are kept in the dark, communication is dismal. It wasnt like they had great communication, then toxicity wore them out till they stopped doing it. It was always like that.

They do radical changes that fuck up the server without brainstorming anything and then dont touch it for months and months, even if its instantly obvious it was a bad idea. Gustoo mentioned OOC, im going to mention yellow text:

Although we explained in and out why yellow text was a bad idea (In a game where numbers will lead to better gear and pvp edge by default, you should try to minimize as much as possible that advantage) they still kept it for years. Im not sure if its still there but for those who havent thought it through, its because you dont broadcast the location of some poor ungeared newb getting shit on by a griefer to the whole fucking server, so other griefers get attracted to that like flies on shit. You can make a list long like your arm of things like that which trimmed the pop till it was what it is now.

I get that they might be sour that people like me are dunking on them like that, but theres no pleasant way to illustrate why things went wrong.

[Disease]

Ill answer this one even though i said i wouldnt reply to disease anymore. The problem you are not seeing here by trying to pin everything on the players (and there is alot to pin on the players) is that we are kept in the dark. Who here wants to invest time on red when things are so incertain? Id roll on red if theyd just come out and say "Red 2.0 will never happen, stop waiting for it" or just give us a fucking clue about where things are going. But they arent.

Contrary to your belief that everything is the players fault, this is par for the course, since day 1. People are kept in the dark, communication is dismal. It wasnt like they had great communication, then toxicity wore them out till they stopped doing it. It was always like that.

They do radical changes that fuck up the server without brainstorming anything and then dont touch it for months and months, even if its instantly obvious it was a bad idea. Gustoo mentioned OOC, im going to mention yellow text:

Although we explained in and out why yellow text was a bad idea (In a game where numbers will lead to better gear and pvp edge by default, you should try to minimize as much as possible that advantage) they still kept it for years. Im not sure if its still there but for those who havent thought it through, its because you dont broadcast the location of some poor ungeared newb getting shit on by a griefer to the whole fucking server, so other griefers get attracted to that like flies on shit. You can make a list long like your arm of things like that which trimmed the pop till it was what it is now.

I get that they might be sour that people like me are dunking on them like that, but theres no pleasant way to illustrate why things went wrong.

So now it isn't balance issues, it is communication? And by them making a new server, that helps communication how?

What don't you get? You guys trolled the creator of the server. He said screw your new server.

So once again, why are you still here?

[Tunabros]

makes me wonder if people on the forums even play on p99

[Tradesonred]

So now it isn't balance issues, it is communication? And by them making a new server, that helps communication how?

What don't you get? You guys trolled the creator of the server. He said screw your new server.

So once again, why are you still here?

Lol what i wanted to say is im replying to Disease but for the sake of others. Guy cant even be bothered to keep track of who says what.

[Gustoo]

makes me wonder if people on the forums even play on p99

its like half and half.

[Zuranthium]

They do radical changes that fuck up the server without brainstorming anything and then dont touch it for months and months, even if its instantly obvious it was a bad idea. Gustoo mentioned OOC, im going to mention yellow text:

you dont broadcast the location of some poor ungeared newb getting shit on by a griefer to the whole fucking server, so other griefers get attracted to that like flies on shit.

Global OOC is great on a sub-500 population server. Makes things feel more alive and it's accurate to the MUD roots of the game.

I never saw much griefing of noobs happening, and there was a whole "starter guild" on the server anyway for those people to band together. Yellow text made kills more exciting to me and I think that aspect can add extra tension to the gameplay, because if you are trying to secretly camp an area and get killed, then now you've given away your zone. The combination of global yellow text and OOC actually lets the server call out the griefers, it doesn't promote more of it on the whole. It's not as if griefers need the yellow text info anyway, to know where the most populated leveling spots will usually be to hunt fresh meat.

[JayDee]

I always argued that yellow text and leaderboards (that are a product of yellow text) were a bad for the server. And not classic

Also don't think item loot or anything else that makes pvp defeat more demoralizing helps

[Gustoo]

Global OOC is great on a sub-500 population server. Makes things feel more alive and it's accurate to the MUD roots of the game.

I never saw much griefing of noobs happening, and there was a whole "starter guild" on the server anyway for those people to band together. Yellow text made kills more exciting to me and I think that aspect can add extra tension to the gameplay, because if you are trying to secretly camp an area and get killed, then now you've given away your zone. The combination of global yellow text and OOC actually lets the server call out the griefers, it doesn't promote more of it on the whole. It's not as if griefers need the yellow text info anyway, to know where the most populated leveling spots will usually be to hunt fresh meat.

Did you start playing red 99 in 2019 or something? Baseless post.

I can assure you than zero people saw a PVP death and thought "Ahh, that scum bag "Raypzem" is in WK right now killing honest levelers. I better go there and fight him! I've been looking for that guy! What a silly post.

1. Global OOC not classic, instant disqualification from belonging on server
2. YT not classic, instant disqualification from belonging on server
3. Global OOC makes whole server feel like red msgboard
4. YT makes people afraid to die because of global public shaming.
5. Global OOC without YT makes people afraid to die because of global public shaming (guy will do his own /OOC LOL KILLED THIS GUY HAHAHAHHAA in lieu of YT

These things didn't ruin the server but they made it worse.

[Tradesonred]

Did you start playing red 99 in 2019 or something? Baseless post.

I can assure you than zero people saw a PVP death and thought "Ahh, that scum bag "Raypzem" is in WK right now killing honest levelers. I better go there and fight him! I've been looking for that guy! What a silly post.


Right lol i dont know what these people are smoking. Its more like oh thats the guy i killed over and over yesterday. Hes online again, lets log on the fungi rogue for round 2.

[Worry]

checking in

[Zuranthium]

I can assure you than zero people saw a PVP death and thought "Ahh, that scum bag "Raypzem" is in WK right now killing honest levelers. I better go there and fight him!

You're wrong. I saw people go help thwart twinked-out lamers after being alerted to it. For me personally, the global messages were definitely important. If I didn't know something was happening elsewhere, then often I wouldn't have spent the time to participate, because just running around aimlessly looking for PvP can be wasteful. The time efficiency of knowing where to go makes the PvP a lot more accessible.

4. YT makes people afraid to die because of global public shaming.
5. Global OOC without YT makes people afraid to die because of global public shaming (guy will do his own /OOC LOL KILLED THIS GUY HAHAHAHHAA in lieu of YT

I can see this a bit, but I think most people who are afraid to die because of YT are already the people who were afraid to die regardless. In general, the drawback of being killed (losing time/money) is already bigger than the yellowtext "shame", which mainly only happened in guild rivalries. The less competitive people on the server weren't getting called out when they got killed. In the other cases, the "shaming" would usually happen anyway, in the form of screenshots being taken and written about on the forum.

The other end definitely outweighs it to me - the recognition can make people want to participate in PvP more. If there isn't that extra incentive to do PvP just for the sake of it, then how many will stick to only farming PvE?

Saying "it's not classic" is worthless to me, because a low-population server where people know much more info than they used to, and having extra YEARS to farm and level up characters as compared to actual classic EQ, completely changes everything.

[Tradesonred]

You're wrong. I saw people go help thwart twinked-out lamers after being alerted to it. For me personally, the global messages were definitely important. If I didn't know something was happening elsewhere, then often I wouldn't have spent the time to participate, because just running around aimlessly looking for PvP can be wasteful. The time efficiency of knowing where to go makes the PvP a lot more accessible

So the mechanic that helped empty the server is now useful since red its a ghost town. I dont think that argument is helping the case youre trying to build.

There are many ways to put in mechanics that foster pvp, whove been suggested over and over (by me) through the years that doesnt involve helping twinks grief people off the server. One of them is events like the ones on live in halloween 2001 where event mobs spawn in different zones. Its harder to code than yellow text im sure, but if we cant have that, no yellow text is better. XP hotzones is another, where as a newb you can prefer a quiet zone away from the dangers of a hotzone. Having a classic Rallos ruleset to re-create the crushbone pvp hub. These are just things off the top of my head. This is why you brainstorm mechanics with the community.

[Zuranthium]

So the mechanic that helped empty the server is now useful since red its a ghost town.

The mechanic didn't empty the server whatsoever. The server was at its height when it had yellow text and global ooc, after the exp bonus and LnS rules were put in. New players were able to ask questions in ooc, people could sell/buy items, and the yellow text allowed people to create names for themselves and helped to show where the action was happening, so people could go try to actually PvP.

I've gone back and read some posts from 2012, and the server was dead back then, before it had global ooc. Most people were asking for it to be implemented and from all accounts it improved the server. This should be obvious too. Unless there's a high population and you can actually interact with a good amount of people in most zones you go to, then there needs to be a way to connect the players better, or else it feels too empty.

Again, what killed the server was imbalance and Velious itself. There needs to be anti-zerg measures so we can have constant relatively fair competition, there needs to be some better PvP mechanics to make the actual combat more interesting, and we need to stay in Kunark so the playerbase isn't too split up and forced to spend time grinding awful PvE.

There are many ways to put in mechanics that foster pvp. One of them is events like the ones on live in halloween 2001 where event mobs spawn in different zones. Its harder to code than yellow text im sure, but if we cant have that, no yellow text is better. XP hotzones is another, where as a newb you can prefer a quiet zone away from the dangers of a hotzone.

Those things would be good and should exist alongside yellow text.

One of the biggest flaws in your logic about yellow text being bad is you said it alerted more griefers to go attack the person being griefed. That's inaccurate, because if some twinked griefer killed an easy target, then the griefer who's there is already able to corpse camp the person, if they don't want to call LnS. Additional people going over there doesn't make it worse for that person who got killed, it makes it better, because the twinked alts can start fighting each other instead.

[JayDee]

I know a lot of vztz people remember the Rile event in everfrost. That was very well done and in corner of the map that is not in use anyways. Rewards were strong but not terribly OP for the era.

I just don't see as programmer willing to spend the hours to make such an event

Definitely going to need to wait out New World launch anyways. Everyone and their mammies gonna be playing.

[Tradesonred]

The mechanic didn't empty the server whatsoever. The server was at its height when it had yellow text and global ooc, after the exp bonus and LnS rules were put in. New players were able to ask questions in ooc, people could sell/buy items, and the yellow text allowed people to create names for themselves and helped to show where the action was happening, so people could go try to actually PvP.

The height of the server was at launch, when it had 600 players or close to it.


I've gone back and read some posts from 2012, and the server was dead back then, before it had global ooc. Most people were asking for it to be implemented and from all accounts it improved the server. This should be obvious too. Unless there's a high population and you can actually interact with a good amount of people in most zones you go to, then there needs to be a way to connect the players better, or else it feels too empty.

So a measure again that is only useful when the population is low. My main gripe with global ooc is it was a megaphone for the vomitorium that the server had become once the pop was distilled to its griefest. If you got a populated server, you dont need global ooc. You got Gfay.


Again, what killed the server was imbalance and Velious itself. There needs to be anti-zerg measures so we can have constant relatively fair competition, there needs to be some better PvP mechanics to make the actual combat more interesting, and we need to stay in Kunark so the playerbase isn't too split up and forced to spend time grinding awful PvE.

I dont have the solid numbers with me, but i was there since day 1 till late kunark and watched it all happen. For months and months after server launched people were bragging on the forums they enjoyed making people log off forever. This happened with no reaction from the staff whatsoever. The pop went from 600 to 200s fast. Then if i remember correctly, slowly decayed to late night single digit. It picked up after xp loss was removed, but the damage was done. That was the anti-zerg measure that was needed, but it came after everyone left. Sirken killed the Kunark pop. I was there the day xp nerf was patched at some red dawn group gathering and i remember several people saying they were quitting and i took the same decision. Velious is ok with a healthy pop. I remember on live another pvp hub was the entrance of thurgadin.



Those things would be good and should exist alongside yellow text.

One of the biggest flaws in your logic about yellow text being bad is you said it alerted more griefers to go attack the person being griefed. That's inaccurate, because if some twinked griefer killed an easy target, then the griefer who's there is already able to corpse camp the person, if they don't want to call LnS. Additional people going over there doesn't make it worse for that person who got killed, it makes it better, because the twinked alts can start fighting each other instead.

The point of griefers is they enjoy an easy fight, not pvp. Usually its a parked alt. They can just log off and wait for anyone else to get bored and leave. This is another reason why not picking the Rallos ruleset was a mistake. On rallos id organise peasant rebellions: 5-6 people ganging on a twink, who had to scoot or risk losing a piece of gear. I tried doing that when Holocaust had a priest dragging mobs to the entrance of Guk to prevent people from leveling in guk while they were in there. It was impossible to do because people understood intuitively that this can only lead to losing xp because youre fighting a zerg. This is why red needs a reset, with things like this discussed openly and in detail so you can have a launch that will attract numbers and keep them. Its very possible that chance has come and gone, but id be willing to try one last time. With a solid ruleset we could get lucky and get a streamer like warhammer reckoning got and get a stable healthy pop.

[Tradesonred]

Id add that any new server going with the rallos ruleset needs to add another important tweak or it will fail: Theres no illusion here, item loot is harsh. On rallos i almost quit (not as fast as i left sullon for Rallos though) till the 2001 halloween event happened where i picked up 5-6 pieces of no-drop loot. After that pvp was just a bundle of fun. I didnt care about dying, i wasnt so squishy and i could put some sort of fight up against twinks, especially cocky ones who engaged multiple players.

You need to add these custom pieces to a working item loot server. Either adding them to the loot tables of regular mobs (probably the easiest, less work intensive way to do it) or adding event mobs. This needs to be a permanent thing (unlike rallos, where it was a one weekend thing) to give people starting out on the server some hope of overcoming twinks or most people wont have the fortitude to do it. Something like worse versions of existing magical items, so wearing the drop shit happens mainly when you roll with a crew.

[Zuranthium]

The height of the server was at launch, when it had 600 players or close to it.

Nah, that doesn't count, it's not actual players, just a bunch of lowbies making characters on the server to check it out. The population dropped to low 100's soon after launch.

So a measure again that is only useful when the population is low. My main gripe with global ooc is it was a megaphone for the vomitorium that the server had become once the pop was distilled to its griefest. If you got a populated server, you dont need global ooc. You got Gfay.

The server has always had and will always have "low" population. Global ooc helps to maintain a healthy population of 300-500 though. What does Gfay have to do with it? I want to be able to talk and hear conversations in any zone. If people don't want to hear ooc they can just turn it off.

if i remember correctly, population slowly decayed to late night single digit. It picked up after xp loss was removed, but the damage was done. That was the anti-zerg measure that was needed, but it came after everyone left. Sirken killed the Kunark pop. I was there the day xp nerf was patched at some red dawn group gathering and i remember several people saying they were quitting and i took the same decision.

The Kunark population was good after they put in the exp bonus and LnS. That was 2014. Apparently you didn't play during that period?

Removing the xp loss from pvp is not an "anti-zerg" measure, lol. It definitely shouldn't have been on the server from the start though.

The point of griefers is they enjoy an easy fight, not pvp. Usually its a parked alt.

Yellow text doesn't make that worse though. It clearly helps the situation because people can instantly see when the griefer character is doing it and respond if they want. If someone is "ashamed" they got killed and it's broadcast, then they likely are not someone who was ever going to stay on a PvP server anyway.

[Disease]

I know a lot of vztz people remember the Rile event in everfrost. That was very well done and in corner of the map that is not in use anyways. Rewards were strong but not terribly OP for the era.

I just don't see as programmer willing to spend the hours to make such an event

Definitely going to need to wait out New World launch anyways. Everyone and their mammies gonna be playing.

Red hasn't been patched in almost 5 years, blue doesn't even get events on holidays and they continue to donate to the server. The red scum will never see a server or an event LOL.

[Tradesonred]

Nah, that doesn't count, it's not actual players, just a bunch of lowbies making characters on the server to check it out. The population dropped to low 100's soon after launch. It didnt. I remember clearly trying for months and months trying to stop the hemorragy by explaining xp loss was causing people to quit.



The server has always had and will always have "low" population. Global ooc helps to maintain a healthy population of 300-500 though. What does Gfay have to do with it? I want to be able to talk and hear conversations in any zone. If people don't want to hear ooc they can just turn it off.

So youre not an OG Rallos player, thats why youre asking what Gfay has to do with it. Gfay on live was lowbie pvp and trade central. You had a bunch of people at banker with bags full of stuff selling in trade chat. Everyone would port to gfay after a play session to sell or buy and chill. Newbs would sell stacks of batwings for a plat. It was a big hub for everything, something that didnt exist on red. Thats what Gfay has to do with it.



The Kunark population was good after they put in the exp bonus and LnS. That was 2014. Apparently you didn't play during that period?

Yes, thats the part where i said the server picked up. Then sirken either put the xp nerf in or did it for the devs, and half the pop quit and that was the final nail in the coffin of a healthy pop.


Removing the xp loss from pvp is not an "anti-zerg" measure, lol. It definitely shouldn't have been on the server from the start though.

Again you have a hard time grasping some basics. What was the reason Nihilum went unchallenged for like a year in Fear? Yes, because of xp loss and their numbers. What was the reason there was no pvp worth mentioning compared to Rallos? Because pvp = Going backwards in pve on red because youll often run into zerg groups like holocaust who will go out of their way to stomp you.

If i gotta explain it to you more than this.... i dont know what to say to you that will make you understand why xp loss was a mechanic that helped strenghten zergs.

[Krazy/sickpuppy]

Xp bonus implemented on red99 a 3rd raid guild with heartbrand as the leader started to emerge and actually win some targets .. shortly after they took the xp bonus away and slowed down the influx of new players from blue that were 70% all being funneled into the 3rd guild killing heartbrands guild and killing the server . I think this had a lot to do with certain guides being in nihilum. Pushing rules and changes in their favor to stop the competition

[Tunabros]

I miss the empire/ragnarok days

eq pvp was always cringe tho

[Zuranthium]

It didnt. I remember clearly trying for months and months trying to stop the hemorragy by explaining xp loss was causing people to quit.

Again, I went back and read the forum posts from not long after the server launched in 2012. Everyone said the server plummeted quickly and was only hitting 100's pop at most. Apparently epics were introduced a week after Red came out; that right there made a bunch of bored/curious Blue server players get off Red and go back to the other server.

XP loss is definitely an issue, but the server was never going to be the same size as Blue (unless it offered custom content that people loved). The population size was always going to be such that global occ and yellow text were going to be beneficial. Those things helped the server to maintain a healthy population during its actual peak of 2014-2015.

Gfay on live was lowbie pvp and trade central. You had a bunch of people at banker with bags full of stuff selling in trade chat. Everyone would port to gfay after a play session to sell or buy and chill. Newbs would sell stacks of batwings for a plat. It was a big hub for everything, something that didnt exist on red.

What does that have to do with global occ and yellow text on this server? In classic there were lots of players in *many* zones. Many people to interact with. On a lower population server that is not the case. Hence, the need for global ooc. I remember when I started on this server before global ooc was introduced, there were barely any other people in my zones. I got a character to the teens and it mostly felt bad playing. I didn't return until 2014 and the server immediately felt much better at that point.

Actually, even in 2011 on Blue there were times it was too empty feeling when leveling up (and I'm sure for many other years too, especially in Velious era). I'd be highly in favor of ooc on Blue server working in such a way that zones are grouped into regions, so people across several zones can communicate, allowing empty or near-empty zones to not feel so completely desolate.

Yes, thats the part where i said the server picked up. Then sirken either put the xp nerf in or did it for the devs, and half the pop quit and that was the final nail in the coffin of a healthy pop.

What exp nerf? Doesn't the same bonus still exist? It definitely seemed to be there in 2015. From what I saw, the server population was continuously healthy from 2014 and up through the first month of Velious, yes with some fluctuations, but a lot of those fluctuations being caused by banwaves, or people getting tired of imbalanced mechanics/guilds (which is what ultimately killed the server not long after Velious).

Again you have a hard time grasping some basics. What was the reason Nihilum went unchallenged for like a year in Fear? Yes, because of xp loss and their numbers. What was the reason there was no pvp worth mentioning compared to Rallos? Because pvp = Going backwards in pve on red because youll often run into zerg groups like holocaust who will go out of their way to stomp you.

You're the one who doesn't seem to understand basics. Zerg guilds form no matter what if allowed to, because that's the easiest thing to do. THAT is why those guilds went unchallenged, regardless of which era it was on this server. There was never an anti-zerg mechanism.

Not having XP loss on the server helped the population to rebuild, but it didn't create any kind of level playing field. In fact, because of the growing population of the server, that FED the zerg guild and allowed them to have insurmountable numbers to go smash through PvE content and generally not get challenged in any real way. The server had no xp loss and a healthy population of players, the former zerg guild had been disbanded and quite a few people from it banned (including the leader), there was an opposing guild with enough geared/experienced players to challenge a new one, and yet? The same end result of a zerg forming. XP loss at the start of Red server in 2012 is not the main reason for its eventual downfall, and global ooc + yellowtext especially aren't the reasons.

You keep talking about servers from 20+ years ago as if they are the holy grail and some perfect blueprint for how a server will be magical if P99 just coped it. That is not the case. The game is played SO much differently than it was back then. Red needs a big shakeup, it needs to have the most "un-classic" coding of all the P99 servers if it's going to be successful.

[Gustoo]

Stay on topic

disappointed.

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

Gangsta box is dead so I guess im back. And still disappointed no red99 2.0 news.

[Disease]

Gangsta box is dead so I guess im back. And still disappointed no red99 2.0 news.

Who would've thought? The clown couldn't fix anything. Didn't even fix water dancing on a pvp server. And people knock Rogean? This guy spammed these forums for months and then releases this garbage?

[Tradesonred]

What exp nerf? Doesn't the same bonus still exist? It definitely seemed to be there in 2015. From what I saw, the server population was continuously healthy from 2014 and up through the first month of Velious, yes with some fluctuations, but a lot of those fluctuations being caused by banwaves, or people getting tired of imbalanced mechanics/guilds (which is what ultimately killed the server not long after Velious).


This 2014 45-page thread begs to differ. Im even there on page 2, saying the same thing i did here. My memory is great, thats why this guy who put his hands in my pants when i was 11 is in trouble when he faces me in court this autumn.

"Peace out bros

Till next time they get their heads screwed on"

And theres Sirken's famous last words before the server pop tanked:

"Fact is, players needed to get off that easyxp addiction because it did nothing to help the servers community. and i know its really hard to go cold turkey, but in all honesty its better to get it over with and be done with it. the previous xp model did nothing to give incentives or perks for grouping, it did nothing to build a community, and it basically assured that if u came to this server on your own, you better play a class that can solo because you were gonna be on your own til about 46ish. no one on staff expects things to change over night, thats silly. but we all agree that if we are ever going to have a full range community, we must first ensure the building blocks are in place for players to successfully build that community. the previous xp model is just simply not the path that will take us where we need to go."

Ill write you a novel for the other stuff once i get around to it

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144373&page=2

[Tradesonred]

My god reading this shit might even make me quit the forums, on top of the game, for good. Fucking tragic.

"Yeah allrite changes are coming soon, you told us that a month ago. Why then nerf the xp before the other stuff? We would probably hitting 215-230+ peaks easy if you hadnt touched anything and people like me and others put in work to go on other forums like "Hey, Velious coming out soon, get a headstart! Its gonna be fun!" What was such a big deal about nerfing xp that it couldnt have waited another month for your other measures while the pop was getting built instead of doing something everyone knew was gonna cripple the pop in the nuts?"

[A Knight]

Disappointed. I'm ok if they just make it Rallos Zek.

Plus then maybe it might entice other pvpers, by a challenge of hardcoredness? Maybe not I don't know how many people know about p99.

Ill still play regular red if life ever allows it.

[Gustoo]

Disappointed 2.0 for the day to help stay on target with the disappointment.

[Zuranthium]

This 2014 45-page thread begs to differ. Im even there on page 2, saying the same thing i did here. My memory is great, thats why this guy who put his hands in my pants when i was 11 is in trouble when he faces me in court this autumn.

And theres Sirken's famous last words before the server pop tanked:

"Fact is, players needed to get off that easyxp addiction because it did nothing to help the servers community."

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144373&page=2

The server population didn't tank in 2014 though. It increased.

There's a stickied thread right here on the forum from Derubael that shows the exp bonus introduced on Red, April 2014. That bonus has never been removed, AFAIK. The thread you posted is from March 2014. If you stopped playing March 2014, then you missed the highest population era of the server, sorry to tell ya.

Weird line about the hand in your pants but you probably enjoyed it.

[Tradesonred]

The server population didn't tank in 2014 though. It increased.

There's a stickied thread right here on the forum from Derubael that shows the exp bonus introduced on Red, April 2014. That bonus has never been removed, AFAIK. The thread you posted is from March 2014. If you stopped playing March 2014, then you missed the highest population era of the server, sorry to tell ya.

Weird line about the hand in your pants but you probably enjoyed it.

I dunno, increased from what, that single digit 9 pop before xp in pvp was removed? To be frank im going by feels but reading the thread i linked alot of people quit at that time. It would be fun to see actual numbers on a chart by month to put that debate to rest. I didnt enjoy it you sick fuck, just checking if youre paying attention.

[starkind]

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[Zuranthium]

I dunno, increased from what, that single digit 9 pop before xp in pvp was removed?

It increased to high 200's/low 300's, after previously only ever being in the 100's.

[Disease]

If you argue amongst yourself it will probably show the staff you guys are ready to grow up and get a new server. You people can't even help not attacking each other

[Gustoo]

disappointed in thread

[pink grapefruit]

Maybe tomorrow will be the day we get some red 2.0 news :)

[Zuranthium]

If you argue amongst yourself it will probably show the staff you guys are ready to grow up and get a new server. You people can't even help not attacking each other

Discussions about the server's health/history isn't attacking each other.

The staff doesn't need to see anything from the community. It seems their top goal is just to get as many people playing as possible and that would definitely be achieved, with little effort on their part, by merging the current Red into Blue and starting the server over with an overall hands-off approach, but with a better ruleset.

[Disease]

Discussions about the server's health/history isn't attacking each other.

The staff doesn't need to see anything from the community. It seems their top goal is just to get as many people playing as possible and that would definitely be achieved, with little effort on their part, by merging the current Red into Blue and starting the server over with an overall hands-off approach, but with a better ruleset.

Red has had almost no competition since it has began. Merging it with blue, which has had competition since it launched is a horrible idea. Red is dead and has pretty much always been dead. You guys trolled your way out of a new server, which sucks for the few good people on red.

Best advice is make do with what Rogean has left you guys with. And make this a learning lesson, don't bite the hands that feeds you.

[Imago]

Red has had almost no competition since it has began. Merging it with blue, which has had competition since it launched is a horrible idea. Red is dead and has pretty much always been dead. You guys trolled your way out of a new server, which sucks for the few good people on red.

Best advice is make do with what Rogean has left you guys with. And make this a learning lesson, don't bite the hands that feeds you.

I, for one, am not against the idea of merging Red 1.0 into Blue before a wipe and Red 2.0. There are few enough from Red 1.0 with meaningful enough gear to affect endgame Blue to warrant any kind of concern. Better to stick with their promise of never wiping the toon this way than leaving Red 1.0 an empty museum that nobody visits (compared to Blue, a museum that has more frequent visitors).

[Zuranthium]

Red has had almost no competition since it has began. Merging it with blue, which has had competition since it launched is a horrible idea.

Merging with Blue would have no negative impact on that server whatsoever.

Also, real competition doesn't exist on Blue. Things drop MORE on that server since there is no downtime at all in when things get killed, whereas on Red server the raid targets were frequently delayed by PvP. Or, by the server population. See the recent discussions about how Red server hasn't been killing anything in North ToV for the past couple years.

Red is dead and has pretty much always been dead.

It definitely wasn't "pretty much always dead". Saying to make do with the inherently flawed ruleset of the server is also dumb reasoning. It's the the fault of the dev's and their own misunderstanding, not the community. This server wouldn't have been any better in you were to swap in any same number of players from Blue server instead. That server already shows tons of toxicity, they just don't get to directly fight each other in game.

[Disease]

Let's be honest, you guys wants a merge so you can sell your worthless accounts for real money. If not, you would play blue.

[Disease]

Merging with Blue would have no negative impact on that server whatsoever.

Also, real competition doesn't exist on Blue. Things drop MORE on that server since there is no downtime at all in when things get killed, whereas on Red server the raid targets were frequently delayed by PvP. Or, by the server population. See the recent discussions about how Red server hasn't been killing anything in North ToV for the past couple years.



It definitely wasn't "pretty much always dead". Saying to make do with the inherently flawed ruleset of the server is also dumb reasoning. It's the the fault of the dev's and their own misunderstanding, not the community. This server wouldn't have been any better in you were to swap in any same number of players from Blue server instead. That server already shows tons of toxicity, they just don't get to directly fight each other in game.

1) I'm talking droppable items that will ruin our economy. Platinum that will ruin our economy.

2) Back to blaming staff. I'm sure they're just rushing to get you a server out. You people never learn.