2020 Election MEGAthread

[Pretzelle]

Looks like the people wearing shirts saying “fuck your feelings” were the real snowflakes all along. Happy for all the red hats and their new novel coronavirus diagnoses.

[Pretzelle]

Peaceful transfer of power, started by Washington (who could’ve made himself king) has happened continuously for two and a quarter centuries. Trump is the first to challenge the legitimacy of our elections. That is very very bad, and you guys can pretend it’s just idle talk, but it creates doubt in our system and our institutions.

He doesn’t deserve to die, but he’s certainly the worst president in my 55 years of life. To pretend that opposition to his presidency is hyperbole simply because he hasn’t committed genocide is a very low bar

[Mead]

There's a good chance that if he's indeed positive they already started treating him with convalescent plasma and remdesivir.

This evening I am happy to report that the President is doing very well. He is not requiring any supplemental oxygen, but in consultation with specialists we have elected to initiate Remdesivir therapy. He has completed his first dose and is resting comfortably.

That's on top of the polyclonal antibodies.

One of the problems with this virus is that those who produce the exaggerated immune response also known as a cytokine storm, it's very difficult to stop. I would be surprised if he's not already on anticoagulation as well because one of the biggest complications of it is stroke. People have no idea the process involved in trying to slow down and manage this process in very sick patients.

[Patriam1066]

My son has been an ER and ICU nurse prior to becoming a CRNA. I knew a bit about medications from him. As a virus, I suspected the inflammatory response was killing people, especially given how it killed the elderly, diabetic, and obese primarily. Does dexamethasone treatment in early illness stop it from progressing to the worst case, or do they just go ahead and start antivirals immediately when they suspect a bad case (trump being morbidly obese and geriatric)?

[Mickets]

My god you are dumb, White_knight. So very delusional, and so very dumb. Sad.

[Pretzelle]

My god you are dumb, White_knight. So very delusional, and so very dumb. Sad.

[White_knight]

Sorry the truth hurts your feelings.

[Pretzelle]

Imagine making excuses for the unimaginably wealthy fleecing your country without paying their part and then being an arrogant dickhead toward the poor who use the social services (barely) available to them because they can't make ends meet.

[BlackBellamy]

It's always the Trumptards who like Tulsi.

She's a bought and paid for Assad stooge. Her unauthorized and unsanctioned trip(s) to Syria in 2016 and reporting lies back to the American public and Congress. Unregistered foreign lobbying is a crime.

Oh shit, I'm on my way to put John Kerry in a chokehold or a neck-lock or some kind of hold where his excited fentanyl levels will surely cause his death later.

[Mead]

My son has been an ER and ICU nurse prior to becoming a CRNA. I knew a bit about medications from him. As a virus, I suspected the inflammatory response was killing people, especially given how it killed the elderly, diabetic, and obese primarily. Does dexamethasone treatment in early illness stop it from progressing to the worst case, or do they just go ahead and start antivirals immediately when they suspect a bad case (trump being morbidly obese and geriatric)?

Decadron is an anti-inflammatory glucocorticoid. It's being used to stunt the inflammatory process that some patients are experiencing with covid. We've seen very good results starting plasma, remdesivir, and decadron immediately. Some patients receive solu-medrol over decadron. We're cautious starting remdesivir on patients with kidney injury a lot of times associated with sepsis. When or if it resolves we will start the antiviral. These are obviously sick hypoxic and/or septic patients requiring hospitalization.

[Patriam1066]

Hmmm, interesting. I asked because I knew, vaguely, that antivirals are harmful to the liver or kidneys, depending on where they were metabolized. Thanks for the info

[kjs86z]

lmao

[BlackBellamy]

He’s called a fascist because...

...that's the current political insult flavor of the day.

George Orwell wrote in 1944 that "the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless ... almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'"

He was being nice. What he means is "any fucking imbecile".

Here are some tenets of fascism:

anti-conservatism
the creation of a nationalist dictatorship to regulate economic structure
the expansion of the nation into an empire
mass mobilization

So yeah, Trump is doing the opposite of that. Pro-conservatism, less regulations, pulling back troops, and none of this Fascist Kennedy Youth Corps like before from previous presidents.

You might call him authoritatian. That's his style. Our government structure is designed to deal with guys like that, it's fine. But if you call him a fascist you're just calling yourself stupid.

[Lune]

Yeah I remember when I was six and I didn't get my way. Fuckin assholes should just DIE.

Sincerely, a sane person.

And yes, history is full of cunts who deserved to die. They generally did things to deserve such concentrated ire though. Like, ya know, genocides or mass starvation of millions of people as seen in soviet russia.

What is the case against trump? He is very rude and bad, and he said pussy grabber once or something, and I really don't like his hair, and he said something about mexico or haiti and it was very ignorant and bad. Let's pray for his literal death based on that, everyone! Like jesus christ, go live somewhere else in the world. Perspective is good. America is not the only place in the world.

200,000 Americans died because of the decisions made by him, his administration, and his cultists who followed his example.

Really, I wish him all the compassion he has shown others.

Also, he is a literal tyrant who has threatened to flout the results of a fair election and try to steal it using the Supreme Court and congress. If that happens it is the duty of every American to walk down to Washington and water the tree of liberty. Maybe the rona' will save us a step.

[Pretzelle]

Those are not the generally accepted tenets of fascism. It would be helpful if you knew anything at all about history or politics before open your gaping asshole of a mouth.

[Woke Locc]

Here are some tenets of fascism:

anti-liberalism

ftfy

[Lune]

Biden wins by a smidgeon, or it is otherwise unclear like Bush v Gore, it goes to the supreme court or house, they pick Trump, liberals bend over like a bunch of cucks, the women of america wear a funny hat for a day and then go right back to browsing instagram

[Lune]

Fascism resembles modern American liberalism much more than its conservatism.

Fascism, in its Nazi or Italian form, is the belief in the nation state as a brotherhood of man, with "man" being the people of the dominant culture/race. Those people enjoy generous social benefits, universal healthcare, massive education investment, strong government oversight and investment in physical and social infrastructure to ensure fairness and equality of opportunity. Free enterprise is allowed, but only when conducted with proper values, and businesses deemed parasitic or exploitative are nationalized by the government.

Obviously not all these ideals were lived up to by Italy and Germany, and nazis were immensely corrupt, but fascist countries were very well run especially compared to their pre-war predecessors.

Compare this to conservative America which earnestly believes, not in the free market, but in the unfettered power of corporate syndicates, with its politicians mostly concerned with looting lower and middle class wealth and opportunity to make life easier for billionaires.

Honestly it's an insult to fascism.

[BlackBellamy]

Sorry the truth hurts your feelings.

So one, you're arguing with people who decided they are the arbiters of "fair share" and who should pay what and who should have access to what. So you know, ideologues, proto-communists really. They're not rational, it's all dogma and as you pointed out, outrage, name calling and hate as soon as you step on their worldview.

You get a clue to their ignorance when they say stuff like "unimaginably wealthy". Yeah for them. They can't imagine having that much money or property or holdings. It's mind-boggling! Inconceivable!

Two, they're ignorant. They think money is a zero-sum game. They think people are poor not because of circumstances or because they're lazy or stupid but because other people have too much of it. Poor people can't get food at the foodbank because Bill Gates is holding all the dollars. That's literally how they view the economy. That because some people have control over huge properties or corporations or other holdings, that's why they suffer. Because there is a shortage of money.

It's all based in jealousy. People today live better than ever. Our most poor have resources unimaginable just a couple of generations before. But because they turn on their TV and see a guy on a solid-gold jetski and they start frothing at the mouth. Now their lives are so much worse because they know that.

[Mickets]

Sorry the truth hurts your feelings.

Talking to you is like talking to a parrot that's slowly learning phrases it hears on the television.

[Woke Locc]

This press conference thing is taking forever. Did he stub his toe or something?

[Patriam1066]

The Mormons declare imperium and we liberate Armenia and Constantinople, then go onward to Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria. The five patriarchal sees are once again in Christian hands and we declare imperium over the Western Hemisphere, with the East being ruled by a newly formed European state with its capital at Constantinople

Obesity and diabetes are made illlegal, disobedient children are punished, loitering, littering, and other commonly overlooked minor sins are again punished via shame and our new found dedication to health leads us to win every World Cup, really pissing off Eurotrash and the spics

Donald Trump is remembered as a cautionary tale as to what can happen when we allow the obese to hold power, and a new golden age leads humanity to prosperity. That’s how dad did it, that’s how America does it

[Patriam1066]

...that's the current political insult flavor of the day.

George Orwell wrote in 1944 that "the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless ... almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'"

He was being nice. What he means is "any fucking imbecile".

Here are some tenets of fascism:

anti-conservatism
the creation of a nationalist dictatorship to regulate economic structure
the expansion of the nation into an empire
mass mobilization

So yeah, Trump is doing the opposite of that. Pro-conservatism, less regulations, pulling back troops, and none of this Fascist Kennedy Youth Corps like before from previous presidents.

You might call him authoritatian. That's his style. Our government structure is designed to deal with guys like that, it's fine. But if you call him a fascist you're just calling yourself stupid.

I don’t think he’s a fascist, but delegitimizing the elections is more serious than his supporters will admit. I voted for him in 2016 and I regret that immensely, but I’m not particularly partisan or into rhetoric. I don’t care what he’s called, I do care that we’re seriously talking about challenging the elections using the power of the presidency and courts. That is what despots do, and I guess you guys forgot, but we REGULARLY switch parties every 8 years. We have to be OK with people with whom we disagree being in government. Honestly, doesn’t it in theory keep us honest? I say in theory, because I do think now it’s time third and fourth parties be empowered to challenge the two party duopoly. Too many corporate interests keeping good ideas from making it into serious debate

[Patriam1066]

TLDR: challenging the elections as a sitting president is a serious issue and it weakens the norms that set the rules for our democracy. Washington’s precedent kept the presidential term to 8 years without it being law for 1.5 centuries. That’s how powerful an idea is. Ideas like destroying our elections can be similarly powerful, and it’s doubtful we’re going to find an augustus or a similarly benevolent dictator to rule us if this collapses. It’s not funny guys, it really isn’t. Trump is an ass hole, and all the guys around him like Mitch McConnell are as well. You guys care about guns and free speech and political correctness, but not your history, your democracy, and the legacy of George Washington? I don’t get it. Trump sucks, how is that not obvious at this point?

Also, can we please kick turkey out of NATO and save the Armenians from genocide? Are there any Christians with spines?

[Nirgon]

Almost all of you have had it and didnt even realize it. Shits a dud unless youre feeble.

[Nirgon]

You don't know what income taxes are do ya bud

We got some super brainwashed people making threads here

[peterpal]

https://i.imgur.com/ohiWcqH.jpg

He's getting the best treatment anyone is going to get, of course he's going to make it

[BlackBellamy]

I don’t think he’s a fascist, but delegitimizing the elections is more serious than his supporters will admit.

Well beg to differ but I believe the radical left has done more to delegitimize the normal political process than anyone. But because their friends control the media you are fed a steady diet of clips of lies about Trump supporting Nazis or stealing mailboxes. Stealing fucking mailboxes for chrissake! Said it with a straight face too. In the middle of the riots, with stores and homes burning, who said we should keep that going? Trump? Or was it Kamala who told the nation that "Everyone should take note of that, on both levels, that they're not going to let up — and they should not. And we should not". What is this, vote our way or we will burn down your country? How does that legitimize our process?

I think you're a little rose-colored glasses about our democracy. I lived in Chicago and vote-stealing, harvesting and destruction was the order of the day. People would pay cash for your vote so your corrupt alderman never had to worry about some jerkoff challenger. Trump raises some questions about all this sudden mail overload vote coming our way that we're totally not prepared to go with, and he's seeing Democrat states pushing for all that mail voting when IN PERSON VOTING IS PERFECTLY SAFE. It's safe for me to go to fucking Dunkin Donuts but the polling place is too dangerous? Of course it's a scam. A vote in the mail, no one knows what happens to that, and it's been historically the most corrupt portion of our process. But it's fine now. Totally cool. Whoa, look at Trump delegitimize our corruption, not fair, let's make it look like he's trying to do it.

You'll see, after the election, all these Biden votes will start to flow in, just enough to tilt the balance in key districts, but absolutely no more because the Democrats are lazy as shit.

[Patriam1066]

Is there a radical left in politics? Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, all pro business and trade. They’re center right in any European party

As for culture, the only truly dumb far left shit we have is white guilt and trans people advocating for stupid things like trans women competing as females (isn’t fair regardless how you try to justify it) and hormone therapy done to children by parents who are probably virtue signaling. I think the rest of us are ok wirh gay marriage, abortion (to a lesser extent), etc

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think “the left” holds any political power, and I can’t remember them not accepting elections, even when they’ve lost the electoral college while winning the popular vote twice in the recent past

[Patriam1066]

Also, it isn’t a competition bud. Trump cast doubt on our elections. You can’t do that shit, period.

[Castle2.0]

200,000 Americans died because of the decisions made by him, his administration, and his cultists who followed his example. Ya he shoulda gone down to Chinatown with Nancy and the gang instead of being the Xenophobe the dems called him out to be by wanting to shut down travel from China.

Do you have the memory of the goldfish or just the selective hearing of a toddler?

300,000 people died every year from obesity during Obama's presidency. Omgosh, it's all his fault!!11!

[Pretzelle]

There are like 3 major elected politicians in the entire country that would be considered "left" on any traditional scale.

[peterpal]

Anyone using the term radical left in American politics disqualifies themselves knowing anything about political science. It's an easy filter.

[Woke Locc]

Ok google show me the spectrum

[Jibartik]

Obesity is a choice and canada turned around on the issue right around where the democrats did and look how many lives they saved.

Idk I believe lune is correct on this one with those numbers, myself. The whole resistance to the virus cost america a lot of lives and it wasn't their choice.

[Castle2.0]

It was Obama's choice. He has full control over all 300M Americans and what they do with their bodies. He is fully responsible for all 300,000 deaths annually...

Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?

Here's some common sense:



You can't stop the virus. It's impossible. It is in every country. You can "slow the spread" and "flatten curve" and guess what, we did that.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda, doesn't mean jack. "If we only did X, there would only Y cases/deaths." Ya can't prove it and the public isn't going to trust the "experts" models on this one - their models were mostly crap
The US isn't one large centrally located government. States have powers. Cities have powers. The President isn't responsible for stupid actions of Cumo (NY) and Whitmore (MI)

[Pretzelle]

It was Obama's choice. He has full control over all 300M Americans and what they do with their bodies. He is fully responsible for all 300,000 deaths annually...

Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?

Here's some common sense:



You can't stop the virus. It's impossible. It is in every country. You can "slow the spread" and "flatten curve" and guess what, we did that.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda, doesn't mean jack. "If we only did X, there would only Y cases/deaths." Ya can't prove it and the public isn't going to trust the "experts" models on this one - their models were mostly crap
The US isn't one large centrally located government. States have powers. Cities have powers. The President isn't responsible for stupid actions of Cumo (NY) and Whitmore (MI)

Spin it however you like - it'll go down as the biggest blunder by a US president in history. Sorry your cult leader is terrible at (all of) his job(s).

[Toad1]

Tbh he might die

What will all MAGA cultists become ?

Imagine had hitler died of covid before 1933, all the lives that would have been saved..

Hey euro idiot , we have immuno cocktails that can keep anyone alive , our wealthy citizens dont die because this is america

sorry you and your country lost , enjoy the bark soup

[Toad1]

You dont know what comedy is or second half of a post to diffuse the first half

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idPv9zAkL48

i clicked this and got a great trump political ad, i was impressed

[Jibartik]

I would say it doesn't sound silly if he pitted his base against the lefts base to believe that a virus, and not obesity, was a political hoax.

Before you start bashing my common sense this is what I think of those points:

- You cant stop it, but you can save 150-190k deaths by not pitting the people against each other over its truth.
- Woulda Coulda's do mean jack. If he would have not pitted Americans against each other, and told them iles about how it would go away, or bleach can fix it, or hydrocordone will solve it, etc etc, it's extremely valid to say 150-190k Americans would be alive today because we would have not ignored social distancing and mask science & direction.
- States do have powers yes, but that's not what the issue is. The issue is he pitted Americans against each other and told them not not to social distance or wear masks and it was a political hoax, and that's what caused the deaths, not state's mass arresting people who ignored their mandates!

I highly doubt history will disagree with me.

[Toad1]

Spin it however you like - it'll go down as the biggest blunder by a US president in history. Sorry your cult leader is terrible at (all of) his job(s).

Covid had nothing to do with donald, only children would think that. He has 0 power to do anything regarding covid, he is our president ( thats not what a president does )

Playing it down reduces panic, because he is smart enough to know YOU CANT STOP THE SPREAD BECAUSE POPULATION OF EARTH IS TOO HIGH

i know your an uneducated tranny but try to use whatever brainpower you have left and think before you post

PS He was the first person who wanted to shut down all flights from china and deny entry into the US for anyone who had visited china in the past 3 weeks and they called him out on it

All he wanted to do was slow the spread so we had more time to research it

( didnt matter anyways, a year went by and we are years from vaccines still )

[Toad1]

autism spectrum maybe

[Skarne]

Covid had nothing to do with donald, only children would think that. He has 0 power to do anything regarding covid, he is our president ( thats not what a president does )

Playing it down reduces panic, because he is smart enough to know YOU CANT STOP THE SPREAD BECAUSE POPULATION OF EARTH IS TOO HIGH

i know your an uneducated tranny but try to use whatever brainpower you have left and think before you post

PS He was the first person who wanted to shut down all flights from china and deny entry into the US for anyone who had visited china in the past 3 weeks and they called him out on it

All he wanted to do was slow the spread so we had more time to research it

( didnt matter anyways, a year went by and we are years from vaccines still )

You seem like a fungi

[Toad1]

The Mormons Decide its time to melt Armenia and Constantinople, a giant nuke is dropped on the human garbage there, the blast wave hits Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria. The five patriarchal sees are RIP As fuck and patriam continues to post on an american gaming forum about shit no one cares about.

[Toad1]

Most of you are too stupid to understand what happened to our country in the last 30 years.

It became too expensive to manufacture products here starting with vehicles.

You see we have these things called tariffs, before donald went into office they were so close to 0 it was a joke, and unless you needed your stuff in a hurry you could have stuff manufactured overseas and imported for a fraction of what you could make it for here.

This was all right and cool until we had a pandemic.

Hordes of democrats flocked to the stores to find they had no cleaning products, paper towels, toilet paper and god knows how many other things.

People complained there was no lysol, but they had plenty of chemical

they had no cans

Because they are made in china

Clorox had vats as big as skyscrapers full of germicidal bleach, but no spritz bottles

Toilet paper final assembly plants sat empty, no textiles

And all the while the clueless idiots sat home crying there was nothing they needed in the stores were too dumb to realize why


Donald trump, the greatest president we have ever had, for 30 years has been saying china is ripping us off but its not just them, its taiwan , vietnam, honduras, and every country that manufactures our stuff

They arent ripping us off directly, they are making our stuff for pennies on the dollar which deprives US of american jobs

A supply chain job isnt just a factory job, its the guy who designs machinery

the box company that makes the packaging

the label printing companies that make the labels

the trucks that bring all the shit around

We have a simple system, order it overseas, import it, your broker processes your tariffs and a truck brings your shit right to your warehouse that is minimally staffed

Once the shortages began, china stopped shipping us the things we were ordering because they valued themselves first, and there was never enough profit on a container of spritz bottles to justify sending it to US when they needed it.

Our president had to threaten war to get them to make masks, and donald even said on the news the first big shipment of masks was coming from china

i could go on all day about how dumb most of you are but its pointless

[Jibartik]

Most of you are too stupid to understand what happened to our country in the last 30 years.

It became too expensive to manufacture products here starting with vehicles.

You see we have these things called tariffs, before donald went into office they were so close to 0 it was a joke, and unless you needed your stuff in a hurry you could have stuff manufactured overseas and imported for a fraction of what you could make it for here.

This was all right and cool until we had a pandemic.

Hordes of democrats flocked to the stores to find they had no cleaning products, paper towels, toilet paper and god knows how many other things.

People complained there was no lysol, but they had plenty of chemical

they had no cans

Because they are made in china

Clorox had vats as big as skyscrapers full of germicidal bleach, but no spritz bottles

Toilet paper final assembly plants sat empty, no textiles

And all the while the clueless idiots sat home crying there was nothing they needed in the stores were too dumb to realize why


Donald trump, the greatest president we have ever had, for 30 years has been saying china is ripping us off but its not just them, its taiwan , vietnam, honduras, and every country that manufactures our stuff

They arent ripping us off directly, they are making our stuff for pennies on the dollar which deprives US of american jobs

A supply chain job isnt just a factory job, its the guy who designs machinery

the box company that makes the packaging

the label printing companies that make the labels

the trucks that bring all the shit around

We have a simple system, order it overseas, import it, your broker processes your tariffs and a truck brings your shit right to your warehouse that is minimally staffed

Once the shortages began, china stopped shipping us the things we were ordering because they valued themselves first, and there was never enough profit on a container of spritz bottles to justify sending it to US when they needed it.

Our president had to threaten war to get them to make masks, and donald even said on the news the first big shipment of masks was coming from china

i could go on all day about how dumb most of you are but its pointless

These are the words of someone who grew up with the worst education system America had to offer, a lot of it is close to true but most of it is made up based off info read on reddit and not actual text books.

[Blingy]

I would say it doesn't sound silly if he pitted his base against the lefts base to believe that a virus, and not obesity, was a political hoax.

Before you start bashing my common sense this is what I think of those points:

- You cant stop it, but you can save 150-190k deaths by not pitting the people against each other over its truth.
- Woulda Coulda's do mean jack. If he would have not pitted Americans against each other, and told them iles about how it would go away, or bleach can fix it, or hydrocordone will solve it, etc etc, it's extremely valid to say 150-190k Americans would be alive today because we would have not ignored social distancing and mask science & direction.
- States do have powers yes, but that's not what the issue is. The issue is he pitted Americans against each other and told them not not to social distance or wear masks and it was a political hoax, and that's what caused the deaths, not state's mass arresting people who ignored their mandates!

I highly doubt history will disagree with me.

The media and it's slobbering masses are to blame more than any elected official. While I'm not a big fan of any of our elected officials as of late at least they have checks and balances whereas the media has only their own greed and profits to worry about.

[Jibartik]

I disagree, the media just reported the countless times the president told people (what later were determined to be lies) to ignore the liberal hoax.

(if he wasnt acting like the distraction he was, the media wouldnt have been distracted) Im not saying I like the media, I totally agree they are culpable too! But trump holds the keystone to it all, and he actually holds the keys to the country on this one. He could have united us (with the entire world) but he chose to go trump party vs the rest of the world on the virus, because he wanted to keep the economy open.

The fact is trump wanted the economy to stay high and open because he thought that is what would keep him in the white house. But he was wrong, not only was this damage to the country going to cost him the election, he could very well lose his life over it right now.

Culturally, Americans took the virus NOSE on. And that's because we were told we could by trump, people idolize the guy, they love him, cant get enough, BIG! crowds, they LOVE him, and do what he says. And he said to ignore the liberal hoax.

[Blingy]

Raging left extremist: https://www.seattle.gov/council/sawant

[White_knight]

If Biden wins because of dumbies voting for him...

Will right wing people burn cities, riot, scream with their vaginas, make up lies about the president, go all rabid on social media with attacks in gangs on anyone who voted 4 him, uniformly cry like babies with slogans like " not my president"...get crazy ladies to testify in laws of court about fake rape claims against judges Biden will put foward to be elected. Basically act like crazy ex-girlfiend material.

Or will they accept and move on till elections in 3-4 years?

[White_knight]

Oh forgot to add:

Pretend like they care about BLM just to use it as a tool to cause social disruption.

[Jibartik]

If Biden wins, I think things will calm down. I dont think the boogaloo people like to start the fires, they just like to fan them.

(although maybe there could be acts of domestic terror? But I bet it would be pretty pathetic)

[Blingy]

The media cherry picked what they wanted to show their audience. I've seen many things that show Trump is a dipshit. I've also seen many things where additional context show he did what was within his power to see to it the people in our country would have the best possible outcome at the end of this mess.

There are pro-trump sources out there that proudly report everything positive the man does. There are also anti-trump sources that proudly report everything negative the man does. Neither side will cross back over the line out of fear or loosing even one reader/listener. Private for profit media outlets are like every other private for profit corporation; they exist to make money. As long as those media outlets don't outright lie they are sadly allowed to cherry pick whatever sound bites they want and run a string of opinions behind it and post it as fact.

[Jibartik]

Its not about what trump did within his power, its that he created a culture that the virus was a hoax, and that culture had literally the president of the most powerful country on earth behind them telling them it was.

That's what cost us the lives, those people, spreading both those lies, and the virus.

But I consider them victims of a hoax that was beyond their understanding so I dont blame them as much, although I wish they were less militant about their fear of avoiding getting sick.

[Patriam1066]

I lol’ed

[Jauna]

If Biden wins, there will be nothing to talk about for 4 to 8 years and hot topic politics wont be as profitable. Try and remember what you talked and thought about all the time before Trump. You cant.

[Castle2.0]

If Biden wins, I think things will calm down The media will make it so, lol. Pretty easy to predict what the media will do based on election outcome.

If Biden wins, things magically get better. If Trump, wins the world is still coming to an end.

[Patriam1066]

If Biden wins, there will be nothing to talk about for 4 to 8 years and hot topic politics wont be as profitable. Try and remember what you talked and thought about all the time before Trump. You cant.

Is this a joke? People whined about Obama 24/7 while he was in office

Remember when bin laden died and everyone kept saying he was “spiking the football”? It was just as hyperbolic back then, just in the opposite direction

[Pretzelle]

Is this a joke? People whined about Obama 24/7 while he was in office

Remember when bin laden died and everyone kept saying he was “spiking the football”? It was just as hyperbolic back then, just in the opposite direction

This. 24/7 for over 8 years.

[Jauna]

Is this a joke? People whined about Obama 24/7 while he was in office

Remember when bin laden died and everyone kept saying he was “spiking the football”? It was just as hyperbolic back then, just in the opposite direction

Name one thing people whined about without looking it up. honor system here

[Skarne]

Name one thing people whined about without looking it up. honor system here

His birth certificate

[Toad1]

wont be any riots

unless you count all of white collar america dumping their whole portfolio opening day and tanking the market

also people of certain races wont be getting any good jobs for 4 years, and if they think they had it bad before they have no idea whats coming

spiting the country because your mad at trump will bury you further

[charmcitysking]

People whined about Obama 24/7 while

They weren't burning cities down though.

[Pretzelle]

Name one thing people whined about without looking it up. honor system here

Dijon mustard, tan suits

[charmcitysking]

They weren't burning cities down though.

Actually, I take that back. Liberals were burning cities down while Obama was in office; Ferguson and my hometown of Baltimore come to mind.

[Toad1]

Nothing he said cost us lives, we know how bad covid is yet when all the millenials went back to college they started partying

we knew there was a virus, people still protested and rioted after george floyd etc

Do you see a pattern here of stupidity ? I see it

Wearing a mask when you go out does nothing, because you bring home the bacteria on your clothes and even if you inhale covid and its stuck on your mask, you will inhale it when you take it off

Wearing a mask to the grocery store? Cool everything you bought has covid on it, so soon as you get home make sure you take the mask off and inhale the covid on the packaging when you take it out AND PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH

[Toad1]

those protests were alot smaller then the ones this year, america is action packed in 2020 what a fuckin year

[Pretzelle]

Nothing he said cost us lives, we know how bad covid is yet when all the millenials went back to college they started partying

we knew there was a virus, people still protested and rioted after george floyd etc

Do you see a pattern here of stupidity ? I see it

Wearing a mask when you go out does nothing, because you bring home the bacteria on your clothes and even if you inhale covid and its stuck on your mask, you will inhale it when you take it off

Wearing a mask to the grocery store? Cool everything you bought has covid on it, so soon as you get home make sure you take the mask off and inhale the covid on the packaging when you take it out AND PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH

You're the reason your parents drink.

[reznor_]

Is this a joke? People whined about Obama 24/7 while he was in office

Remember when bin laden died and everyone kept saying he was “spiking the football”? It was just as hyperbolic back then, just in the opposite direction

Birther movement, tan suits, mustard stains, lifting small weights in the gym, petty bullshit.

Let's not forget all the burnt effigies of Obama, and the staggering amount of increased hate group activity from 2008+

Please don't act holier than thou just because bootlickers love to get spooned by the right wing at night. How's it taste? I don't deepthroat the boots of the state.

He wasn't my favorite president by far, but don't act like it just all of a sudden blew out of proportion because Trump got elected. When Trump said "there are two side" he was correct, however, there is only 1 side when the other side is white supremacists.

[Patriam1066]

Name one thing people whined about without looking it up. honor system here

I just did bud. He got shit for ordering the mission to kill bin laden in Pakistan

[Patriam1066]

Birther movement, tan suits, mustard stains, lifting small weights in the gym, petty bullshit.

Let's not forget all the burnt effigies of Obama, and the staggering amount of increased hate group activity from 2008+

Please don't act holier than thou just because bootlickers love to get spooned by the right wing at night. How's it taste? I don't deepthroat the boots of the state.

He wasn't my favorite president by far, but don't act like it just all of a sudden blew out of proportion because Trump got elected. When Trump said "there are two side" he was correct, however, there is only 1 side when the other side is white supremacists.

I was agreeing with you. I guess you’re too obtuse to understand that but that’s ok. Partisanship is very bad in this country

[Fame]

There are two republican camps, the traditionalists and the retards. It’s very clear to anyone that the retards didn’t believe in covid and adapted their talking points to fit whatever trump was saying or what they heard on fox.

Anyone who converses with both regularly can see that difference and knows what I’m talking about.

The retards are way more common so there is definitely something to be said about trumps rhetoric whether it influenced you as a republican or not.

I live in the sticks and consequently there are a lot of retards in close proximity. They definitely did not believe it was real at all for months. Some are even still skeptical.

[Patriam1066]

Actually, I take that back. Liberals were burning cities down while Obama was in office; Ferguson and my hometown of Baltimore come to mind.

I definitely agree with you on that. The Pacific Northwest needs to stop voting dip shits into office, the mayor of Portland is probably the biggest pussy on earth

[Patriam1066]

Nothing he said cost us lives, we know how bad covid is yet when all the millenials went back to college they started partying

we knew there was a virus, people still protested and rioted after george floyd etc

Do you see a pattern here of stupidity ? I see it

Wearing a mask when you go out does nothing, because you bring home the bacteria on your clothes and even if you inhale covid and its stuck on your mask, you will inhale it when you take it off

Wearing a mask to the grocery store? Cool everything you bought has covid on it, so soon as you get home make sure you take the mask off and inhale the covid on the packaging when you take it out AND PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH

If everyone wears a mask, how does covid get on everything? The particles are aersolized and spread via respiratory droplets, hence a mask stops you from being a walking vector

And it’s not bacterial. Did your middle school have a biology class? I say middle school because I’m guessing you’re poor and I’m quite certain you don’t possess a high school diploma

Seek Christ

[Mead]

If everyone wears a mask, how does covid get on everything? The particles are aersolized and spread via respiratory droplets, hence a mask stops you from being a walking vector

And it’s not bacterial. Did your middle school have a biology class? I say middle school because I’m guessing you’re poor and I’m quite certain you don’t possess a high school diploma

Seek Christ

Just using infection would solve his problem and no further need to confuse himself.

[hobart]

Do you see a pattern here of stupidity ? I see it

Your posts, Trumptard.

[Fame]

https://i.imgur.com/rF46TTj.jpg

[Woke Locc]

You forgot the coffee cup salute. Fox news spent two weeks on it!

Was the flag pin Obama? I remember the tv being mad about a flag pin

[Zoggren]

Like.... Trump calling vets "losers" with 0 evidence provided but some hear-say?

Rofl c'mon man.

It sounds like you don't pay for your information and you're the product.

[reznor_]

I was agreeing with you. I guess you’re too obtuse to understand that but that’s ok. Partisanship is very bad in this country

And I was agreeing with you, lol ;)

[Toad1]

chris christie hospitalized

lots of other people at that event are sick as well

[Toad1]

you should post more reznor

[Toad1]

i sent her a long email regarding the biggest covid scam there is, what amazon did to america so they could make more money, if she replies i will share what i report.

[douglas1999]

If biden wins, we will be living in Yamaha's america. I will be sure to attribute every bad thing that happens to Yamaha. If my girlfriend dumps me in 2021, well it's pretty clear; Yamaha's america for ya.

[Jibartik]

The media will make it so, lol. Pretty easy to predict what the media will do based on election outcome.

If Biden wins, things magically get better. If Trump, wins the world is still coming to an end.

The media will go back to reporting about world politics, instead of the country burning itself down, because the country will stop burning itself down, when Trump the instigator is gone.

There is nothing magical about basic human behavior.

[reznor_]

you should post more reznor

Too busy playing the game. Also I wasn’t chased off 4chan like you

[Jauna]

I just did bud. He got shit for ordering the mission to kill bin laden in Pakistan

Every article im reading says he reported the death, not ordering it.

[Patriam1066]

You don’t think the commander-in-Chief was involved in a kill or capture mission in our ally’s territory?

[Patriam1066]

Damn she’s ugly

Seattle cmon do y’all have eyes? Jesus Christ

[Jauna]

You don’t think the commander-in-Chief was involved in a kill or capture mission in our ally’s territory?

many levels of involvement here. its not like the military is always sitting around waiting for president orders

[Castle2.0]

If someone had the flu in that situation we would also have a similar number of people sick with flu. Corona will get added into the flu shot like H1N1 was and we'll move past it.

The coverage of Corona would be very different under a dem president and/or not in an election year. But here we are.

[Neno]

Nothing he said cost us lives, we know how bad covid is yet when all the millenials went back to college they started partying

Why are you bringing up Millennials? Outside of some late starters or people returning for a Masters/PhD the vast majority of Millennials would have been finished with college like two years ago.

[Mead]

many levels of involvement here. its not like the military is always sitting around waiting for president orders

It’s well documented Obama was an intricate part of capturing Osama and there’s a picture of him in the situation room while it was happening. Literally a simple google search would stop you from looking like a dumbass. Stop doing drugs.

[Woke Locc]

https://i.imgur.com/Vd8dtFt.jpg

[Pretzelle]

It’s well documented Obama was an intricate part of capturing Osama and there’s a picture of him in the situation room while it was happening. Literally a simple google search would stop you from looking like a dumbass. Stop doing drugs.

This wasn't even that long ago. How many drugs are these people on?

[Pretzelle]

Why are you bringing up Millennials? Outside of some late starters or people returning for a Masters/PhD the vast majority of Millennials would have been finished with college like two years ago.

Because he has no idea that he's a millennial himself.

[Jauna]

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH FOR MY POINTS

[BlackBellamy]

Fascism resembles modern American liberalism much more than its conservatism.

Fascism, in its Nazi or Italian form, is the belief in the nation state as a brotherhood of man, with "man" being the people of the dominant culture/race. Those people enjoy generous social benefits, universal healthcare, massive education investment, strong government oversight and investment in physical and social infrastructure to ensure fairness and equality of opportunity. Free enterprise is allowed, but only when conducted with proper values, and businesses deemed parasitic or exploitative are nationalized by the government.
...

Thank you. This is the key difference when people just talk about some authoritarian regime and call it fascist. Same thing with most Muslim countries. They're into the umma, they have all these benefits, economy check, values check, why are they not fascist? Because it's religion based. It comes from above. It's not an innate feeling. Same thing with all these banana states. People say this guy is fascist or that guy, but is he trying to unify the nation into one body? No, just some regular oppressor. That state exists only as long as the guy or his family is in power. A true fascist state aims to last forever, or well, at least 1000 years.

[BlackBellamy]

You forgot the coffee cup salute. Fox news spent two weeks on it!

Was the flag pin Obama? I remember the tv being mad about a flag pin

This is exactly like pushing a urine-soaked Russian Conspiracy and calling him Putin's puppet for 150 straight weeks twenty four hours a day without any actual basis in fact.

While petty, both of your examples are actually true.

But yes, of course the other side is going to endlessly and needlessly criticize the other side whoever is in power, and their media organs and supporters will follow suit.

I'm surprised this is even an argument. Of course people talked shit about Obama, and before that Bush, and before that Clinton, it never ends on both sides.

[Woke Locc]

Thank you. This is the key difference when people just talk about some authoritarian regime and call it fascist. Same thing with most Muslim countries. They're into the umma, they have all these benefits, economy check, values check, why are they not fascist? Because it's religion based. It comes from above. It's not an innate feeling. Same thing with all these banana states. People say this guy is fascist or that guy, but is he trying to unify the nation into one body? No, just some regular oppressor. That state exists only as long as the guy or his family is in power. A true fascist state aims to last forever, or well, at least 1000 years.

Baathists are fascists tho

[hobart]

The coverage of Corona would be very different under a dem president and/or not in an election year. But here we are.

Yes, it would be.

Hillary Clinton would not have reorganized/dismantled the CDC's GHSBU. From the get go the public would have been warned about the risk and told to wear masks. PPE orders by states would not have been intercepted by the FED and reallocated to other states based on politics. And the list goes on...

There would have been a lot less bullshit to report on.

[Mead]

Yes, it would be.

Hillary Clinton would not have reorganized/dismantled the CDC's GHSBU. From the get go the public would have been warned about the risk and told to wear masks. PPE orders by states would not have been intercepted by the FED and reallocated to other states based on politics. And the list goes on...

There would have been a lot less bullshit to report on.

Yea that was a really bad argument for castle lol.

[Castle2.0]

From the get go the public would have been warned about the risk and told to wear masks

Would the left withdraw from their dear globalist (Chinese-funded) organization the WHO:

No clear evidence of human-to-human transmission

I won't bother digging up all the fun quotes from dem politicians in Feb/Mar downplaying the virus. If you're genuinely curious, you can find it yourself ;)

[douglas1999]

*guy buys a nice new car*

*pretzelle flies over his house in a hot air balloon furiously calculating on an abacus*

[hobart]

I won't bother digging up all the fun quotes from dem politicians in Feb/Mar downplaying the virus. If you're genuinely curious, you can find it yourself ;)

You saved a lot of time and still managed to come up with the same number of examples you would have come up with had you bothered.

You said the coverage would have been different if it would have happened on a democratic president's watch. There was only one democrat on the general election ballot for president in 2016 -- Clinton.

There's no compelling argument to be made that she would have downplayed the virus. None.

But hey, you were right on your point. It probably doesn't happen a lot. Take your victory lap and enjoy.

[JackofSpade]

I think it'll be a tight race with Biden barely squeaking out a win

Biden wins by a smidgeon, or it is otherwise unclear like Bush v Gore, it goes to the supreme court or house, they pick Trump, liberals bend over like a bunch of cucks, the women of america wear a funny hat for a day and then go right back to browsing instagram

The Mormons declare imperium and we liberate Armenia and Constantinople, then go onward to Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria. The five patriarchal sees are once again in Christian hands and we declare imperium over the Western Hemisphere, with the East being ruled by a newly formed European state with its capital at Constantinople

Obesity and diabetes are made illlegal, disobedient children are punished, loitering, littering, and other commonly overlooked minor sins are again punished via shame and our new found dedication to health leads us to win every World Cup, really pissing off Eurotrash and the spics

Donald Trump is remembered as a cautionary tale as to what can happen when we allow the obese to hold power, and a new golden age leads humanity to prosperity. That’s how dad did it, that’s how America does it

gl with that :p

[JackofSpade]

Ive been on my favorite site TRADINGVIEW for about 2 hours looking at tons of stocks, both hit or miss for the day, winners and losers even currencies.

tons of posts about people scared to take long positions out of fear that he might get worse or even die

Do any of these clowns not understand what will happen if biden is elected?

most investors will sell at market open and you will see the market bomb harder then it ever has since it was started, and all the mad people who hate trump ( That dont have any money ) will be like haha

then their lives will get 50x shittier

PS i dont hate biden anymore, after his pretty good performance at the debate he isnt a bad guy, i just dont think he has what it takes to fix america

by fix , i mean fix our supply chain

Only the economy matters btw, dirt poor idiots think racism is a huge issue

its up to us to fix that, donald will be racist forever, biden too

Most of you are too stupid to understand what happened to our country in the last 30 years.

It became too expensive to manufacture products here starting with vehicles.

You see we have these things called tariffs, before donald went into office they were so close to 0 it was a joke, and unless you needed your stuff in a hurry you could have stuff manufactured overseas and imported for a fraction of what you could make it for here.

This was all right and cool until we had a pandemic.

Hordes of democrats flocked to the stores to find they had no cleaning products, paper towels, toilet paper and god knows how many other things.

People complained there was no lysol, but they had plenty of chemical

they had no cans

Because they are made in china

Clorox had vats as big as skyscrapers full of germicidal bleach, but no spritz bottles

Toilet paper final assembly plants sat empty, no textiles

And all the while the clueless idiots sat home crying there was nothing they needed in the stores were too dumb to realize why


Donald trump, the greatest president we have ever had, for 30 years has been saying china is ripping us off but its not just them, its taiwan , vietnam, honduras, and every country that manufactures our stuff

They arent ripping us off directly, they are making our stuff for pennies on the dollar which deprives US of american jobs

A supply chain job isnt just a factory job, its the guy who designs machinery

the box company that makes the packaging

the label printing companies that make the labels

the trucks that bring all the shit around

We have a simple system, order it overseas, import it, your broker processes your tariffs and a truck brings your shit right to your warehouse that is minimally staffed

Once the shortages began, china stopped shipping us the things we were ordering because they valued themselves first, and there was never enough profit on a container of spritz bottles to justify sending it to US when they needed it.

Our president had to threaten war to get them to make masks, and donald even said on the news the first big shipment of masks was coming from china

i could go on all day about how dumb most of you are but its pointless

The only downturns in the economy (as measured by growth in the American stock market) over a 4 year presidential term in the last 65 years have been under the watch of Republican Presidents, care to comment on that? Additionally, the average amount of growth during 4 year presidential terms has been +58% while democrats have held office, and ONE HALF of that at 29% while republicans have held office.

Keep focusing on micro economic shit like the foreign supply chain of products sold in USA, while other country's economies have run laps on us during Republicans reigns. Meanwhile unemployment continues to hit all time highs while you cry about outsourcing? Do you not see the complete hypocrisy of your positions??

Edit: Also, apologies in advance for using facts and logic.

[JackofSpade]

This wasn't even that long ago. How many drugs are these people on?

You have the "D" wrong, it's delusion not drugs. Ok well actually it very well may be both.

[JackofSpade]

Pfft.

COCK-swallowing is most certainly *not* overtly (or even discretely) homosexual in nature. Within the borders of THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINAMEN, *MANY*straight-yellow-cis men swallow COCK (often browned and heavily masticated) on the reg in pursuit virile supremacy in the land o f hetero-normative adventures.


Bigot.

omg dude, less drugs. way way way less drugs. for everyone's sake

you put a lot of effort into this post, all your bolds and font size changes, seek help my guy, you've got serious problems

[JackofSpade]

A few more facts for you, over 20% over small businesses have not even reopened at all, with numbers being even higher than that in key hospitality categories like restaurants, bars, hotels, movie theaters, all types of salons, etc.

[charmcitysking]

chris christie hospitalized


Left or right, democrat or republican, communist or facist, I think we can all agree that Bridgegate was an all-timer move. Hilarious (unless you were driving in Fort Lee that day)

[Patriam1066]

https://i.imgur.com/Vd8dtFt.jpg

Lol @ *cough*

[Patriam1066]

Thank you. This is the key difference when people just talk about some authoritarian regime and call it fascist. Same thing with most Muslim countries. They're into the umma, they have all these benefits, economy check, values check, why are they not fascist? Because it's religion based. It comes from above. It's not an innate feeling. Same thing with all these banana states. People say this guy is fascist or that guy, but is he trying to unify the nation into one body? No, just some regular oppressor. That state exists only as long as the guy or his family is in power. A true fascist state aims to last forever, or well, at least 1000 years.

Again, trump isn’t a fascist, he just shouldn’t be tossing the norms of our democracy out the window. It isn’t healthy for what comes next. Also, who is the next republican waiting in the wings? It’s going to be much harder to keep the coalition of white working class midwesterners voting as a bloc with corporate profiteers like McConnell. I don’t think anyone has the charisma, and I doubt anyone would believe their sincerity. Pence? Nikki Haley?

Trump has damaged the Republican Party and has, in the long run, made actual left wing views like those espoused by AOC gain more traction. I’m not sure how that isn’t obvious, but maybe him losing Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina will wake you guys up to how much some people, like myself, who are sympathetic to republicans and utterly can’t stand liberals just could not stomach TRUMP being god awful in every metric this year. He is right about China being an evil shit pile, he’s been wrong about everything else

Stand back and standby for your annihilation at the ballot box, assuming we still count ballots. Who knows, trump might do away with that as well at this point

[remen]

Left or right, democrat or republican, communist or facist, I think we can all agree that Bridgegate was an all-timer move. Hilarious (unless you were driving in Fort Lee that day)

I was, 6 hours to get to the bridge from 79th sucked and was frustrating for me, and in retrospect I laugh about my experience.

What people either forget, or didn't know, is that sadly there were deaths caused by Bridgegate, because ambulances got stuck and couldn't get to hospitals in time.

[Pretzelle]

I love that Trump posed for a bunch of staged photos and signed his name to blank paper to make it look like he was working. Two separate locations in the hospital offices, 10 minutes apart, one without the jacket. And recorded that silly video with no details.

Just another cherry on top of the shitshow sundae that is this administration.

[Patriam1066]

Left or right, democrat or republican, communist or facist, I think we can all agree that Bridgegate was an all-timer move. Hilarious (unless you were driving in Fort Lee that day)

Chris Christie isn’t funny. That level of obesity should bear the death penalty

[BlackBellamy]

Chris Christie isn’t funny. That level of obesity should bear the death penalty

Don't hate on the disabled. In spite of his brain defect which affects his love for sfogliatelle he became a skilled manager and a political operative.

[charmcitysking]

Chris Christie isn’t funny. That level of obesity should bear the death penalty

Trust me, it does best the death penalty. The stress on that man’s internal organs must be unimaginable

[Patriam1066]

Don't hate on the disabled. In spite of his brain defect which affects his love for sfogliatelle he became a skilled manager and a political operative.

I bet his wife makes great Italian food, can you imagine?

[Topgunben]

The Mormons declare imperium

What's with your Mormon obsession?

[Woke Locc]

Oxygen and dexomethasone


Yikes

[douglas1999]

The only downturns in the economy (as measured by growth in the American stock market) over a 4 year presidential term in the last 65 years have been under the watch of Republican Presidents, care to comment on that? Additionally, the average amount of growth during 4 year presidential terms has been +58% while democrats have held office, and ONE HALF of that at 29% while republicans have held office.

Keep focusing on micro economic shit like the foreign supply chain of products sold in USA, while other country's economies have run laps on us during Republicans reigns. Meanwhile unemployment continues to hit all time highs while you cry about outsourcing? Do you not see the complete hypocrisy of your positions??

Edit: Also, apologies in advance for using facts and logic.

Citing current high unemployment as some facet of republican federal governance is quite dumb. It's like saying almost nobody has died from terrorist attacks in the last two decades if you start counting at sept 12, 2001. The gigantic totally unforseen and unprecedented mega emergency global health crisis that shut everything down *might* have something to do with high unemployment. It was at record lows until this happened. Black american unemployment was at a record low.

[peterpal]

They pinned Obama on petty stuff when they could have done it on real issues like his drone strikes. But that doesn't resonate with Americans, his birth place matters more and it's the reason Trump got """"political""".

[Patriam1066]

They’re really good people, pretty much the only ones with principle. Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, etc, mostly full of shit

Utah is also very healthy, and obesity is probably the quickest way you can tell a person isn’t moral

[Asteria]

I hope President Trump fully recovers from COVID.

[Blingy]

They’re really good people, pretty much the only ones with principle. Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, etc, mostly full of shit

Utah is also very healthy, and obesity is probably the quickest way you can tell a person isn’t moral

Have you actually lived in Utah? I did on three separate occasions during my life. Most Mormon guys go from slender and healthy through childhood until a few years after they get married. Once the family thing happens most tend to work extra hard to support their family. They also tend to not exercise in addition to eating a second helping of every meal.

While there are quit a few healthy Mormon people there's still a pretty decent number that could use a bit more exercise and less meat and potatoes in their diet.

[Blingy]

They pinned Obama on petty stuff when they could have done it on real issues like his drone strikes. But that doesn't resonate with Americans, his birth place matters more and it's the reason Trump got """"political""".

IMO when Obama expanded the patriot act to the lengths he did that was more scary than the drone strikes. The worst part is our media was silent throughout the entire mess except the ones that lauded it as "he's making our country the safest ever by treating everybody like a hardened criminals" bullshit.

[hobart]

IMO when Obama expanded the patriot act to the lengths he did that was more scary than the drone strikes. The worst part is our media was silent throughout the entire mess except the ones that lauded it as "he's making our country the safest ever by treating everybody like a hardened criminals" bullshit.

If the last 20 years has taught us (those of us capable of learning) anything is that governmental overreach is ok when your side does it and bad when the other guys do.

People can always, and with some correctness, point to the diabolical shit the other guys are doing. Very few can smell their own.

I don't disagree with the point you're trying to make except that the last sentence is patently false. Obama's legitimate foreign policy failures were well covered.

[hobart]

This is exactly like pushing a urine-soaked Russian Conspiracy and calling him Putin's puppet for 150 straight weeks twenty four hours a day without any actual basis in fact.

$250MM-$400MM in debt to a Russian bank which, like the rest of the "private" industry in Russia, was given to mobsters by Yeltsin->Putin.

Multiple sales of real estate at above market prices to Russian Oligarchs.

The fact that Trump stayed in a Moscow hotel which is known for that exact type of surveillance/blackmail scam as reported by MI5, the CIA, and Mossad.

The fact that he was contradicting ALL of his intelligence officials on anything having to do with Russia from the movement he was elected until he was eventually able to push enough of them out. If he knew something they didn't, where did he get that information from?

None of this is a confession, but it's hardly "without any basis in actual fact".

[douglas1999]

Both sides endlessly criticize one another, that doesn't mean that all criticism is created equal.

It's also pretty glaringly obvious that like every single american news outlet other than fox skews left, which is fundamentally asymmetrical. And that's not to say that fox doesn't do the same thing, but again, not all biased cherry picked media headlines are created equal. They are generally all deceptive in some way, but some can be more deceptive and some can be less.

Every single person who posts here who leans left always seems to package some kind of 4th grade insult into their posts. "Those of us who can learn", "trumptard" (which is basically just the word retard), and thinly veiled suggestions that anyone who supports trump or votes for him should die or deserves to die. This is alarming to me, as somebody who has always considered myself part of the left. I do not see right wing people doing this almost ever. Wishing for the death of your political opposition is like the definition of fascism, you can't just say "well I'm ANTI fascist!" and that means you actually are.

[Pretzelle]

Both sides endlessly criticize one another, that doesn't mean that all criticism is created equal.

It's also pretty glaringly obvious that like every single american news outlet other than fox skews left, which is fundamentally asymmetrical. And that's not to say that fox doesn't do the same thing, but again, not all biased cherry picked media headlines are created equal. They are generally all deceptive in some way, but some can be more deceptive and some can be less.

Every single person who posts here who leans left always seems to package some kind of 4th grade insult into their posts. "Those of us who can learn", "trumptard" (which is basically just the word retard), and thinly veiled suggestions that anyone who supports trump or votes for him should die or deserves to die. This is alarming to me, as somebody who has always considered myself part of the left. I do not see right wing people doing this almost ever. Wishing for the death of your political opposition is like the definition of fascism, you can't just say "well I'm ANTI fascist!" and that means you actually are.

You in no way are on the left of the political spectrum. You seemingly hold zero progressive, socialist, or leftist positions that you've ever described on this forum. You're a hack troll that only defends Trump for some reason.

[hobart]

You in no way are on the left of the political spectrum. You seemingly hold zero progressive, socialist, or leftist positions that you've ever described on this forum. You're a hack troll that only defends Trump for some reason.

[Patriam1066]

I have a home in Utah where we go to hike and other shit during the summer. I’ve been around Mormons for well over a decade now

You comparing Mormons to everyone else? I live in Houston, 50% of whites are obese here and at least 100% of blacks and Hispanics are. Mormons are svelte in comparison, and I haven’t seen anywhere else except for maybe Colorado where people are healthier than Utah

I could be wrong, I’m not a demographer, I’m just painfully aware of how fat as fuck most Americans are and frankly, it’s disgusting

[Toad1]

at least 100% of hispanics and blacks are obese everytime

[Toad1]

he will, he can afford it

[Toad1]

The only downturns in the economy (as measured by growth in the American stock market) over a 4 year presidential term in the last 65 years have been under the watch of Republican Presidents, care to comment on that? Additionally, the average amount of growth during 4 year presidential terms has been +58% while democrats have held office, and ONE HALF of that at 29% while republicans have held office.

Keep focusing on micro economic shit like the foreign supply chain of products sold in USA, while other country's economies have run laps on us during Republicans reigns. Meanwhile unemployment continues to hit all time highs while you cry about outsourcing? Do you not see the complete hypocrisy of your positions??

Edit: Also, apologies in advance for using facts and logic.

Previous candidates didnt care because they were CAREER POLITICIANS That ran for office for MONEY

DONALD TRUMP IS THE ONLY POLITICIAN TO GO INTO OFFICE WITH MONEY

He has an interview from the 80s with oprah, please watch it

He cares about america and wants to fix it, badly

if he gets elected for his second term you are going to see some major shit happen, and even if he loses he will run again in 2024 and i guarantee he will win so its win/win regardless

[Jibartik]

Previous candidates didnt care because they were CAREER POLITICIANS That ran for office for MONEY

DONALD TRUMP IS THE ONLY POLITICIAN TO GO INTO OFFICE WITH MONEY

He has an interview from the 80s with oprah, please watch it

He cares about america and wants to fix it, badly

if he gets elected for his second term you are going to see some major shit happen, and even if he loses he will run again in 2024 and i guarantee he will win so its win/win regardless

all your posts are stupid Toad1

[douglas1999]

You in no way are on the left of the political spectrum. You seemingly hold zero progressive, socialist, or leftist positions that you've ever described on this forum. You're a hack troll that only defends Trump for some reason.

Okay, well I support abortion (not including 3rd trimester) gay rights, civil rights for all people and the sanctity of extant human life (IE; I do not wish death on people I disagree with politically). I defend trump because so much of the criticism levied at him is complete horseshit and clearly deceptive. I will happily defend a democrat, in fact I want to, if they receive any unfair criticism. They just haven't been receiving that lately.

I don't hold "progressive" positions, specifically, because I don't like that term. Progressing toward what exactly? Hey guys, "progress" is right there in the name of my ideology, therefor it is always good! No, it's not. It's often very naive and terrible for millions of people. Like marxism and socialism, it sounds great on paper. Then you implement it and ooooops, guess we have to kill everyone who doesn't agree with us. What a great way to organize society.

There's this cool thing you can do where you don't just rigidly adhere to a prescription from one political party or entity. You'll be much less angry and full of resentment and cynicism.

[Toad1]

Why are you bringing up Millennials? Outside of some late starters or people returning for a Masters/PhD the vast majority of Millennials would have been finished with college like two years ago.

ok, whats the word for the 20-35 age bracket currently then?

[Pretzelle]

ok, whats the word for the 20-35 age bracket currently then?

That's two separate generations. How old are you?

[quido]

These threads are full of retards.

[Patriam1066]

at least 100% of hispanics and blacks are obese everytime

That was the joke

How do you keep getting banned dude?

[Toad1]

Not sure, probably because people ask to be forum moderators ( Lol : ) and enforce their authority on an internet forum for an emulated 20 year old video game

[Toad1]

you didnt even post your opinion so your post is pointless

If biden wins trump will win in 2024 either way 4 more years of donald

[Toad1]

40 so i guess im old now , its hard to keep up with all these whippersnappers running around and i need new glasses

[Gwaihir]

I bet his wife makes great Italian food, can you imagine?

I make all my pasta from scratch with about 1/3rd semolina, and 2/3rds all purpose/wheat flour. Sometimes ill throw a lil cauliflower flour or garbanzo flour in there. But yeah, that store ought dehydrated crap just doesn't cut it. You can tell Chris Christie probably doesn't make his own pasta; which is why he's morbidly obese, and im a cool 200lb at 6'3".

[JackofSpade]

Citing current high unemployment as some facet of republican federal governance is quite dumb. It's like saying almost nobody has died from terrorist attacks in the last two decades if you start counting at sept 12, 2001. The gigantic totally unforseen and unprecedented mega emergency global health crisis that shut everything down *might* have something to do with high unemployment. It was at record lows until this happened. Black american unemployment was at a record low.

Of course the current unemployment numbers are directly related to the health crisis in our country, but that is exactly my point. If the pandemic was handled properly, there wouldn't have needed to be such prolonged shut downs of businesses, people being furloughed and then laid off, and a large amount of small businesses having to close. Many other countries who handled covid the right way were not shut don't for nearly as long and don't have the unemployment rates that we do.

Additionally, there was an opportunity to in-source the manufacturing of masks and various other PPE equipment to create jobs, and keep factories open by re-purposing them to produce the needed medical equipment.

Previous candidates didnt care because they were CAREER POLITICIANS That ran for office for MONEY

DONALD TRUMP IS THE ONLY POLITICIAN TO GO INTO OFFICE WITH MONEY

He has an interview from the 80s with oprah, please watch it

He cares about america and wants to fix it, badly

if he gets elected for his second term you are going to see some major shit happen, and even if he loses he will run again in 2024 and i guarantee he will win so its win/win regardless

Donald Trump inherited over $400,000,000 from his daddy, that doesn't make him a good businessman. In fact, his business endeavors have performed worse than the stock market and property in New York. If he had simply invested his inheritance in an average performing retirement fund, his net worth would be over 6 Billion dollars right now.

[JackofSpade]

you didnt even post your opinion so your post is pointless

If biden wins trump will win in 2024 either way 4 more years of donald

Trump will probably be dead by 2024. Let me be clear that I certainly do not wish him to be dead, but he is a sick old man in poor health.

[hobart]

Hordes of democrats flocked to the stores to find they had no cleaning products, paper towels, toilet paper and god knows how many other things.

If it were only Democrats flocking to the stores for toilet paper, what were Republicans doing? Using sticks and leaves from around the outhouse?

[Woke Locc]

it was an artificial shortage due to a spike in demand, deliveries continued as normal. you lose money if you try to compensate for [redacted] Massholes buying all the milk and bread everytime the wind blows.

it's reasonable to examine the just-in-time logistics scheme, but severing ties with vassal China is not part of that conversation.

[Tethler]

These threads are full of retards.

[BlackBellamy]

Trump will probably be dead by 2024. Let me be clear that I certainly do not wish him to be dead, but he is a sick old man in poor health.

That 77-year old man running against him sure seems spryer and healthier I'll give you that.

Trump will indeed die, on the last day of 2024 shortly before his second term expires. He will do so a week after refusing to sign the 28th Amendment which would have removed presidential term limits. His last words will be "I am grateful for this honor, but America is great again and I have done all I set out to do. Eight years is enough for anyone, and it was enough for me."

President Pence will then reign for several weeks, with the Senate confirming all three of his Supreme Court appointments.

[BlackBellamy]

What is the perfect age for a President?

Like of course the minimum is 35 but no one thinks anyone under 40 can ever hold the job that's for true.

But what is ideal? Like you want the person to have tons of experience either in politics or management with some armed forces or foreign experience, ideally. That takes time to build up.

On the other hand you need someone with energy, stamina, and also good looking.

Important too they they be 'in touch' with the electorate; if you go too young you're going to get the older people feeling unrepresented, and of course what 25-year old wants to be told what to do by some old relic still living through the New Deal.

Assume the guy is going to be there for 8 years and we need him as good as he is going out as he is going in. Assume of course the best medical care, and general good health going in.

50?

55?

60?

65?

Now, I'm going to go with 55. I think 55 is the perfect age for a President.

Here is my methodology:

1) You need 2/3 vote to adopt an Amendment or have a Supermajority in Congress.

2) Air Force One has exactly a 66% audience rating (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/air_force_one).

3)



https://imgur.com/VB6TABn.jpg


4) Air Force One was released in 1997.

5) Harrison Ford was 55 in 1997.

[Jibartik]

idk maybe all the top candidates are so old because the reptoids dont know we die of old age?

[reznor_]

That 77-year old man running against him sure seems spryer and healthier I'll give you that.

Trump will indeed die, on the last day of 2024 shortly before his second term expires. He will do so a week after refusing to sign the 28th Amendment which would have removed presidential term limits. His last words will be "I am grateful for this honor, but America is great again and I have done all I set out to do. Eight years is enough for anyone, and it was enough for me."

President Pence will then reign for several weeks, with the Senate confirming all three of his Supreme Court appointments.

LOL there is no way you could convince anyone that Trump wouldn’t want to remove term limits. Look at the man. He’s a megalomaniac. He would love to be president for life. Thank god we have checks and balances.

[Fame]

How many cases in the White House now? 20+ the press secretary has it now. Jesus. Hope they all recover but god damn it’s a pathetic display.

[Toad1]

Age is relative to maturity level, for example trump is about as mature as a 30 year old

Obama was a young man, and was as mature as a 50+ year old

Its based on mental health more then anything, would have been good for america for obama to run now but he was the lesser of 2 evils both times

wish we had gore kerry donald obama

[Toad1]

How is it pathetic? You cant stop the spread, nothing works

its only a matter of time before everyone is exposed

[kjs86z]

How many cases in the White House now? 20+ the press secretary has it now. Jesus. Hope they all recover but god damn it’s a pathetic display.

/yawn

Everyone is going to get it. Its nothing.

[Pretzelle]

/yawn

Everyone is going to get it. Its nothing.

200,000+ dead Americans is A-OK in your book? Fucking psychopath.

[Jibartik]

How is it pathetic? You cant stop the spread, nothing works

its only a matter of time before everyone is exposed

biden and his staff that were in the same room with trump and his staff 2 days before we found out they all had covid would disagree.

Remember the starbucks in korea (https://fortune.com/2020/08/25/covid-outbreak-starbucks-seoul-masks-employees/), where people were infected, but none of the employees were because they wore masks?

You can not get covid!

only 20% of the world got spanish flu.

[Woke Locc]

only 20% of the world got spanish flu.

Right-o! Herd immunity doesn't require 100% infection. Sry no Malthusian extinction folks :p

[reznor_]

200,000+ dead Americans is A-OK in your book? Fucking psychopath.

Of course it is. It’s Toxigen, duh

[BlackBellamy]

200,000+ dead Americans is A-OK in your book? Fucking psychopath.

Sociopath. With a psychopath, you can never tell how the deaths of hundreds of thousands will affect him or what he's going to say. He could be morose and forlorn. You never know.

Anyway, you miss the point. It's ok now. Sure, it was just godawful those first 200 thousand. That was terrible then. Back in the past. We can all agree the past is something that should be forgotten, or maybe even destroyed.

It's time to orient in the present, where a troupe of 70 year-olds get a round of Covid and are out and about and smiling in a couple of days (praying for you Gov. Christie!). In the present the virus is weak and impotent, like the Democrat party in 1968.

[Fame]

Pathetic to have that much preventable spread, would have been fine with even minor protections but they chose to ignore it. People are going to get it etc, I understand that. I just think it’s not a good look to have widespread outbreak at the White House like we currently do when there are so many people out there living in fear or economic turmoil because of the shitty job we have done managing this situation.

Politicizing the whole thing was a mistake.

[charmcitysking]

In the present the virus is weak and impotent, like the Democrat party in 2020.

fixed

[BlackBellamy]

LOL there is no way you could convince anyone that Trump wouldn’t want to remove term limits. Look at the man. He’s a megalomaniac. He would love to be president for life. Thank god we have checks and balances.

I would love to remove presidential term limits going forward. One is a Republic must be tested to survive. Two we are on the cusp of extending human lifespan by hundreds of years. Why kick out a talented manager-king who can guide us for three dozen terms and not even age?

[Toad1]

If it were only Democrats flocking to the stores for toilet paper, what were Republicans doing? Using sticks and leaves from around the outhouse?

Republicans were busy buying all the stone crab claws and lobster tails on sale that no one else was buying !

[Woke Locc]

Trump spike it by ending stimulus?

[Shourty]

Such a funny meme. Gota love some folk's humor

[Castle2.0]

Is it Brennan's handwritten notes that were just released?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dni-brennan-notes-cia-memo-clinton

Oof.

Will Durham deliver before election? Will he deliver at all?

[hobart]

Not sure of the specifics of the notes. Brennan will certainly make the rounds on this. Could be interesting.

I'm pretty sure it was Trump who borrowed $400MM from Russian Oligarchs when no other bank would make him a loan.

Of course, only our President is stupid enough to not realize that Hillary is neither president nor is she running for president.

[Castle2.0]

Of course, only our President is stupid enough to not realize that Hillary is neither president nor is she running for president. WRONG. A lot of people still think she is running, lol. She is running til she dies. In one sense she really is, gotta keep that cash coming in, stay relevant.

Would love to see those docs on that 400M. I am sure they will be provided by some very fine people.

We do have docs that show Hunter Biden took 3.5M from Moscow Mayor - an actual Russian oligarch - AND this, with ZERO personal experience in "Russian Oligarching."

P.S. You can read the notes yourself. At first blush, it looks pretty damning.

[Pretzelle]

How long is Hillary going to be President? It's crazy how much she's been able to get done over these last 4 years. Strongest President in history. Basically got her whole agenda pushed through while Trump sat in the Oval Office and got nothing done.

[hobart]

WRONG. A lot of people still think she is running, lol. She is running til she dies. In one sense she really is, gotta keep that cash coming in, stay relevant.

Would love to see those docs on that 400M. I am sure they will be provided by some very fine people.

We do have docs that show Hunter Biden took 3.5M from Moscow Mayor - an actual Russian oligarch - AND this, with ZERO personal experience in "Russian Oligarching."

P.S. You can read the notes yourself. At first blush, it looks pretty damning.

Joe Biden is neither Hunter Biden nor is he Hillary Clinton. The only people dumb enough to conflate them all were already Trump voters (or non-voters) anyway.

[Trexller]

it looks pretty damning.

It sure does look bad. Of course this is what those of us with our eyes open have thought for years.

However I wouldn't hold my breath for any criminal charges against anyone, these things are sorted out in backroom deals.

A man can dream though...

LOCK HER UP !! :D

[Castle2.0]

Joe Biden is neither Hunter Biden nor is he Hillary Clinton. The only people dumb enough to conflate them all were already Trump voters (or non-voters) anyway. In regards to Brennan's notes, have you read them? Biden/Obama knew what Comey/Brennan/McCabe were up to which was the equivalent of spying - that it was totally baseless.

Second: Hunter - Burisma - Ukraine - Prosecutor, 3.5M from Moscow Mayor.

Not gonna gonna your homework for you. Ignorant due to stupidity or willing blindness - not gonna try to fix that ;) But you got the dots - feel free to use google to connect them.

True, Pretzelle, 3 judges appointed to SCOTUS, peace in ME, etc etc. you can google the list. Still scared to answer my question about flu/COVID? I thought so ;)

[Woke Locc]

Why would Hillary go to jail? Obama did it if anyone.

Anyway investigating someone isn't spying.

[Castle2.0]

Hillary Clinton was a top cabinet member on the Obama-Biden Team and Hunter is the son of Joe Biden - ya know they don't just happen to share a last name?

Trump was right - winning so much it hurts.

P.S. I don't really like Trump that much, but you people make him sooooo attractive - yikes. This is why I didn't vote for him in 2016 and may just vote for him in 2020 - don't worry not a swing state, but hey +1 to the popular vote which is super important. I put Hillary in the WH, right?

[douglas1999]

Joe Biden is neither Hunter Biden nor is he Hillary Clinton. The only people dumb enough to conflate them all were already Trump voters (or non-voters) anyway.

Well Joe Biden is Hunter Biden's literal father, so I mean that might be relevant? Can you make any post without making this feeble burn attempt where you go "trumptard dumb and bad". We get it, you're pissed that your sister stole your favorite toy. She's so DUMB! Grr. (see I can do it to, just make a good faith argument for the love of god).

[Castle2.0]

Anyway investigating someone isn't spying. Depends what ya mean by "investigate" and if the investigation was properly predicated or was launched/continued with full knowledge the "evidence" was false. When done for political reasons it makes it quite odious in light of what America stands for.

Media pushing the narrative XYZ institution cannot be trusted now bc of Trump. Only institution abused for pure political purpose which included committing felony crimes (FBI lawyer forging evidence) was crossfire hurricane. Projection, remember?

[Woke Locc]

Trump was right - winning so much it hurts.

P.S. I don't really like Trump that much, but you people make him sooooo attractive - yikes. This is why I didn't vote for him in 2016 and may just vote for him in 2020 - don't worry not a swing state, but hey +1 to the popular vote which is super important. I put Hillary in the WH, right?

Does anyone ever fall for this?

[Castle2.0]

I can be sarcastic and troll people - most definitely. I honestly did not vote for him in 2016 and I honestly may for vote for him in 2020.

I have a 2-tier test for voting. (1) character and (2) policy/ideology.

He failed on the first count, so I don't even bother to go to the 2nd one. You gotta trust people to believe they will follow through on their policies. Anyhow, he was all over the place policy early on except against "China china china" which, having lived 10+ years in China myself, I was happy to finally see in politics.

Lo and behold, 3 years later, he actually did some things I wholeheartedly approve of on a policy level, including 3 conservative SCOTUS judges.

With the crazy BLM crap on the left and the fact he followed through, I'm likely to vote for him.

[Woke Locc]

I can be sarcastic and troll people - most definitely. I honestly did not vote for him in 2016 and I honestly may for vote for him in 2020.

I have a 2-tier test for voting. (1) character and (2) policy/ideology.

He failed on the first count, so I don't even bother to go to the 2nd one. You gotta trust people to believe they will follow through on their policies. Anyhow, he was all over the place policy early on except against "China china china" which, having lived 10+ years in China myself, I was happy to finally see in politics.

Lo and behold, 3 years later, he actually did some things I wholeheartedly approve of on a policy level, including 3 conservative SCOTUS judges.

With the crazy BLM crap on the left and the fact he followed through, I'm likely to vote for him.

Only morons are afraid of China and the Federalist court project is widely considered to have failed. Suck it, soccon.

[Castle2.0]

Only morons are afraid of China I lived there 2010-2020 and speak/read/write the language fluently. Started multiple companies there and even talked to a few members in the Party at different low-medium levels.

We have big business and other political interests behold to China. We have failed diplomats who bought into the false notion "if we trade with China, they will liberalize."

China is and has been a growing threat for a long time.

Maybe I am wrong and you're some 中国通.

Lived there? Speak/read/write the language? Do you keep up on Chinese internal or foreign affairs? Do you follow any of their policies? Do you read or listen to the speeches of any of its leaders? Do you know anything about the history or culture?

If not, you can just admit you're an idiot, repeating random crap you heard in Western MSM - it's okay dude, there's lots of people like that. Just don't go pretending you know crap about China, if you don't know crap about China.

[Pretzelle]

Castle is one disjointed comment after the next. Take a breath; come up with a coherent thought.

[Woke Locc]

I lived there 2010-2020 and speak/read/write the language fluently. Started multiple companies there and even talked to a few members in the Party at different low-medium levels.

We have big business and other political interests behold to China. We have failed diplomats who bought into the false notion "if we trade with China, they will liberalize."

China is and has been a growing threat for a long time.

Maybe I am wrong and you're some 中国通.

Lived there? Speak/read/write the language? Do you keep up on Chinese internal or foreign affairs? Do you follow any of their policies? Do you read or listen to the speeches of any of its leaders? Do you know anything about the history or culture?

If not, you can just admit you're an idiot, repeating random crap you heard in Western MSM - it's okay dude, there's lots of people like that. Just don't go pretending you know crap about China, if you don't know crap about China.

Oh no the shoecucks are gonna get us

Lmao

[Castle2.0]

Point proven. Thanks mate.

[Woke Locc]

Point proven. Thanks mate.

Sorry, did you have a point to make more than attempting to pull rank?

Tell me how a nation with 1/5th of our GDP per capita is a threat. Remember we control their economy.

[Castle2.0]

Castle is one disjointed comment after the next. Take a breath; come up with a coherent thought.
Don't be mad you got owned with a simple question you still haven't answered ;)

[Castle2.0]

GDP per capita is a quality of life measurement, not a measurement of a countries ability to be a threat - poor North Korea is still a threat to the region and China is much more wealthy. They have a 10+ trillion USD economy and an authoritarian government with a leader who just made himself president for life.

Economic espionage / IP theft, infiltrating academia to steal research, state subsidies / dumping, general espionage / information gathering (US citizens included), exporting internet control and surveillance technologies to other authoritarian countries, aggressive military operations / island building in the South China Sea, and more.

If you had any curiosity you can google and learn more. Maybe try "Uyghurs in China" to get a sense of the type of government we're dealing with.

And my point was you don't know crap about China.
Only morons are afraid of China

I asked a series of questions to see if you had ANY first-hand or relevant experience in regards to China. Feel free to ignore if the answers to those questions are all "no."

[Woke Locc]

GDP per capita is a quality of life measurement, not a measurement of a countries ability to be a threat - poor North Korea is still a threat to the region and China is much more wealthy. They have a 10+ trillion USD economy and an authoritarian government with a leader who just made himself president for life.

Economic espionage / IP theft, infiltrating academia to steal research, state subsidies / dumping, general espionage / information gathering (US citizens included), exporting internet control and surveillance technologies to other authoritarian countries, aggressive military operations / island building in the South China Sea, and more.

If you had any curiosity you can google and learn more. Maybe try "Uyghurs in China" to get a sense of the type of government we're dealing with.

And my point was you don't know crap about China. I asked a series of questions to see if you had ANY first-hand or relevant experience in regards to China. Feel free to ignore if the answers to those questions are all "no."

Right, you know so much about China but don't know US company built their internet infrastructure

Piss off, ya toad

[Trexller]

Only morons are afraid of China

Weak ass troll, or serious projection?

[Castle2.0]

Wow dude, what a super comeback *Pelosi clap*

I guess your answers to the above questions about your China expertise are all "no"

I guess your response to the aforementioned threats of China is "uhhhh piss off."

I'll leave you with a Chinese expression, young grasshoppa. Go learn what it means - but I don't recommend Google translate for Mandarin. Our conversation is now over.

班门弄斧

[bubur]

muh candidate

[douglas1999]

Nah castle is kinda right. Why not, like, consider the points he's making itt for like five seconds and interrogate them with an informed understanding of what the argument is? Taking your ball and going home is the easiest thing in the world to do. People on all sides do it, and they never learn or grow.

[Woke Locc]

Nah castle is kinda right. Why not, like, consider the points he's making itt for like five seconds and interrogate them with an informed understanding of what the argument is? Taking your ball and going home is the easiest thing in the world to do. People on all sides do it, and they never learn or grow.

He's doing gish gallop and has already surrendered the one point I contested.

We've been hearing about scary China (https://youtu.be/QEJ9HrZq7Ro?t=87) forever

[Castle2.0]

"He made 8 points I will ignore, but I made 1 random unrelated statement he hasn't answered yet.. Therefore, I win the debate."

You didn't make a point. You ignored the following:

Economic espionage / IP theft, infiltrating academia to steal research, state subsidies / dumping, general espionage / information gathering (US citizens included), exporting internet control and surveillance technologies to other authoritarian countries, aggressive military operations / island building in the South China Sea, and more.

And then made some random statement.
Right, you know so much about China but don't know US company built their internet infrastructure

Piss off, ya toad Did I miss something?



Would you like to go back an answer of those questions about China expertise?

Would you care to answer any of the points I have made in the above quote?

Would you like to elaborate on your "omgosh, the US made their infrastructure" as being meaningful in any way?


The current China network (recent 10+ years at least) is China Telecom and China Unicom. It's all Chinese hardware, and the Great Firewall and related internet surveillance tech is Chinese too (Fang Binxing, et all.)

Can you admit you're repeating the "China is not a threat" line bc you heard it on Western MSM and it sounded good, or do you want to keep putting your foot in your mouth, ignoring my points, avoiding my questions, then making random statements and claiming victory?

P.S. I don't know every minute detail there is to know about China and everything China-related, but I know a universe more than you, especially on what is meaningful to the topic of "the threat of China" - just stop dude, it's embarrassing

[Woke Locc]

"He made 8 points I will ignore, but I made 1 random unrelated statement he hasn't answered yet.. Therefore, I win the debate."

You didn't make a point. You ignored the following:



And then made some random statement.
Did I miss something?



Would you like to go back an answer of those questions about China expertise?

Would you care to answer any of the points I have made in the above quote?

Would you like to elaborate on your "omgosh, the US made their infrastructure" as being meaningful in any way?


The current China network (recent 10+ years at least) is China Telecom and China Unicom. It's all Chinese hardware, and the Great Firewall and related internet surveillance tech is Chinese too (Fang Binxing, et all.)

Can you admit you're repeating the "China is not a threat" line bc you heard it on Western MSM and it sounded good, or do you want to keep putting your foot in your mouth, ignoring my points, avoiding my questions, then making random statements and claiming victory?

P.S. I don't know every minute detail there is to know about China and everything China-related, but I know a universe more than you, especially on what is meaningful to the topic of "the threat of China" - just stop dude, it's embarrassing

The internet control thing

You'd think a stable genius could figure that out :p

Making 8 points at once is a sign of derangement, not debate.

[Castle2.0]

Pretty obvious you lost this debate a while ago.

It's 1 point. China is a threat. I share multiple areas where they are a threat. Can your brain not handle that?

Tell you what - you answer these questions and I'll continue this discussion. Until then, you've been downright embarrassed. I can understand if you wanna quit now (by either more BS responses or just leaving the thread.)


Would you like to go back an answer of those questions about China expertise?

Would you care to answer any of the areas I mention where China is a threat?

Would you like to elaborate on your "omgosh, the US made their internet infrastructure" as being meaningful in any way?


I say some US companies are beholden to China. Cisco and a few US tech companies joined with Tsinghua University to help with the beginning of the Golden Shield Project. That proves my point. Are you trying to say something else? Or just making a random statement from the 5 pieces of info you heard on the TV about China to show you know something, even if it's irrelevant or proves my point?

[Jibartik]

Castle go to sleep you're doing that thing again where you write really dumb things thinking they are smart!

[Fame]

What would you say the main threat that China represents is? Also I’ve read that it could be advantageous to us to keep buying Chinese products, the idea being that having them make our shitty products keeps them occupied. Is there any truth to that?

I am ignorant but see China as a serious and legitimate threat for two major reasons, population and energy storage.

Enlighten me like you would a child lol

I’m not against you at all so I’m open to anything really. I just don’t know a lot about China

[Castle2.0]

It is late and I do got to get to bed, but I'll give this a shot at 2AM//// the story of China (as told by authorities and enshrined in schoolbooks - which are the exact same for every single kid across China - totally nationalized) is that China was a once glorious nation, but due to foreign invaders they were humiliated and lost that glory, and one day will rise and regain the honor they lost. (Yes, there is some history to support this )

Pretty intense stuff. China is an honor-shame culture like many Eastern cultures. They got back HK from the Brits and now Taiwan is in their crosshairs and of course their claim to the ENTIRE South China Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line). The whole 中国梦 （Chinese Dream) talk by Xi Jinping is about this great rejuvenation. The guy is total Mao Zedong strongman figure. Before him it was more "rule by group." It used to be the Politburo Standing Committee (small group of dudes that are at the top) ruled more as a group even if there is a Chairman (yes 主席 not 总统 - today they call Xi president in English to give him more credibility in the West, but he is the same title as every past leader of the Party/State: Chairman/主席.)

There is a lot of resentment/hatred built up in Chinese culture towards foreigners - don't get me started on the number of State-supported anti-Japanese war TV shows and films that get made glorifying the Chinese martyrs of WW2 - yes, terrible, but how the heck are you going to have peace when you keep the wounds open?

It's a paradox in one sense. It's love-hate. They love Michael Jackson, and can be very friendly, but the poor masses are indoctrinated with this narrative to hate foreign powers - it ebbs and flows. Funny enough the US relationship is even wonkier. We dropped 2 nukes on the Japs and even cut the reparations they owed us (thanks Roosevelt) yada yada we did some good stuff. In one sense, they loved us for what we DID - but they (the govt) can't love us for who we ARE.

But the problem can boil down to we are democratic / capitalist. They are autocratic / communist (with capitalist characteristics to keep that money flowing.) It's a battle of ideologies, a zero-sum conflict. THAT is how they view the relationship. They are competing for influence, competing for prestige, control of cyberspace, etc.

The main threats: economic, cyber, IP, academic, diplomatic etc. It's full-scale competition and they don't play fair.

They want to control WHO, UN, and any other international body. They pay large sums to "think tanks" that say China is doing A-OK. They fund Confucius Institutes to try to build soft power with young adults in the West. It goes on and on.

The Party wants to retain power. They must eliminate threats to keep power. They see the US as a threat, and we are. We are ideologically opposed to their authoritarian, communist, non-liberal way of life. They are competing, and we missed that.

The West WRONGLY assumed if we did business with China, they would liberalize. This didn't happen. Since 2012 when Xi took power (and I was there before he was Chairman) it's gone the opposite way.

There's more to say, but it's late.

Thankfully, Mike Pompeo has a clearer view of China. Even sleepy Joe is coming around on the rhetoric, even though he sold us out to China so his son can get $1B for his "investment fund" from China.

[Castle2.0]

Oh and if you want the FBI's take on it go for it - I'm sure you can get into more details than I have time for here

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-china-threat

[charmcitysking]

P.S. I don't really like Trump that much, but you people make him sooooo attractive - yikes.

This times a million.

Rather than actually try to improve their own political posture and fix the problems which made Trump an attractive option in the first place, the Left has doubled down on the "make him look as bad as possible" tactic.

It's failing miserably.

[remen]

WRONG. A lot of people still think she is running, lol. She is running til she dies. In one sense she really is, gotta keep that cash coming in, stay relevant.

What in the actual fuck are you talking about? You stupid idiot.

[kjs86z]

The primary reason why Trump has so much support isn't because he's great...

...its because the left is that fucking awful.

[Blingy]

What in the actual fuck are you talking about? You stupid idiot.

There are people in the greater Seattle area that will be writing Shrillary in; yes I know a few.

[Patriam1066]

The primary reason why Trump has so much support isn't because he's great...

...its because the left is that fucking awful.

I take the contrary position, Trump is so god awful that demented stuttering ass Biden is an improvement

[Pretzelle]

I take the contrary position, Trump is so god awful that demented stuttering ass Biden is an improvement

They really should have primaried him.

[Castle2.0]

They really should have primaried him.

Wrong. You never primary a winner: 304-227 electoral votes in 2016. A primary is your leftist wishful thinking to tank the ticket. Also, waiting for your answer on the simple question I asked you about COVID. Still scared to answer?

What in the actual fuck are you talking about? You stupid idiot.
I guess sarcasm and nuance doesn't come across well in short posts on a forum - or people just binary categorize your posts to one extreme side or the other based on their paradigm.

Many people act as if she is actually running - it's kinda funny. I am not one of those people. We would do better to ignore her and not give her attention. At the same time, she is still a 'politician' and wants to raise money and be relevant. So she is always 'running' as in she will always be trying to get attention, raise money, connect with people, get on boards, etc. etc.

See how long that is to write? Read with some more discernment.

The primary reason why Trump has so much support isn't because he's great...

...its because the left is that fucking awful. One big reason he beat Hillary. If Trump can make 2020 about his political accomplishments he has under his belt and how bad Biden is a corrupt 47-year career politician whose only accomplishment is a crime bill he has since apologized for, as well as Biden's mental decline, it will be a landslide. If Trump allows it to be about his offputting personality, it'll be much closer. It's Trump's to win or lose.

[Patriam1066]

Off putting personality is an understatement

He went to a fundraiser full of his supporters knowing at the time he was covid positive. He is a very unique type of dickhead

[Pretzelle]

Off putting personality is an understatement

He went to a fundraiser full of his supporters knowing at the time he was covid positive. He is a very unique type of dickhead

This. This forever.

[Castle2.0]

waiting for your answer on the simple question I asked you about COVID. Still scared to answer? Prezzele, this forever ;)

[Toad1]

Literally no one is going to jail

Not rich white people, not politicians, not even the cops that killed george floyd or brianna taylor

Sorry

See you in thurgadin ( hilary will be at the bar having chardonnay wearing a thurg helmet)

[Pretzelle]

Prezzele, this forever ;)

Dude, nobody reads your giant word salad vomit posts.

[Castle2.0]

Dude, nobody reads your giant word salad vomit posts. Funny, since my threads are blowing up :)

Sorry you have low reading comprehension. Let's try it again big boy. You can do it. I'll put each question in it's own paragraph to help you focus ;)


If you do support forced-masks and forced-lockdowns for COVID, why didn't you support them for flu?

Could we not cut down the 389,000 to 850,000 annual flu deaths by a significant factor using these measures?

If so, why not use them?


Pretty simple questions. I can understand if you continue to avoid/ignore these simple questions because answering them would expose your incoherent view ;)

[Pretzelle]

There is a vaccine for the flu and its transmission habits are well documented with lower death rates overall. Covid is a novel virus with many unknowns, no vaccine, and higher death rates for the elderly. Hope that helps.

[Castle2.0]

There it is. Thank you!

Implicit in your answer are a few statements.

You seem to be saying you don't support mandated masking, economic shutdown, or other such measures to protect against flu. If that's incorrect, feel free to correct me.

This means you are okay with some people getting sick of flu and dying so you can maintain your freedom from forced masking, closing your business, closing your kid's schools, etc.

What is your threshold? Is it number of deaths, a vaccine being available, or some other trigger that made you make the change for COVID?

I am genuinely curious.

Then the final question: we both are okay with sickness and death to degree to maintain our own freedom/finances. Why is someone with a higher threshold than you wrong? Why is someone with a lower threshold than you wrong?

Then you'll start to see the people you are arguing against aren't crazy, they just value freedom more or less than you.

Final thoughts on this.


Flu Vaccine isn't 100%. It varies from season to season and depends which flu type is going around. It ranges from lowering your chances of catching it from 30-70%. Hundreds of thousands of people die every year, even with a vaccine. Flu is a deadly killer. We're just used to it coming around ever year.
COVID is a flu-like virus. We know a lot about how it spreads.
Yes, COVID is more deadly for the 70+ group. The biggest hit were poorly run nursing homes who had terrible responses. That doesn't require an economic shutdown or mandated universal masking to combat. Our measures can be much more targeted than that.

[Pretzelle]

There it is. Thank you!

Implicit in your answer are a few statements.

You seem to be saying you don't support mandated masking, economic shutdown, or other such measures to protect against flu. If that's incorrect, feel free to correct me.

This means you are okay with some people getting sick of flu and dying so you can maintain your freedom from forced masking, closing your business, closing your kid's schools, etc.

What is your threshold? Is it number of deaths, a vaccine being available, or some other trigger that made you make the change for COVID?

I am genuinely curious.

Then the final question: we both are okay with sickness and death to degree to maintain our own freedom/finances. Why is someone with a higher threshold than you wrong? Why is someone with a lower threshold than you wrong?

Then you'll start to see the people you are arguing against aren't crazy, they just value freedom more or less than you.

Final thoughts on this.


Flu Vaccine isn't 100%. It varies from season to season and depends which flu type is going around. It ranges from lowering your chances of catching it from 30-70%. Hundreds of thousands of people die every year, even with a vaccine. Flu is a deadly killer. We're just used to it coming around ever year.
COVID is a flu-like virus. We know a lot about how it spreads.
Yes, COVID is more deadly for the 70+ group. The biggest hit were poorly run nursing homes who had terrible responses. That doesn't require an economic shutdown or mandated universal masking to combat. Our measures can be much more targeted than that.


Word salad; didn't read.

[Woke Locc]

There is a vaccine for the flu and its transmission habits are well documented with lower death rates overall. Covid is a novel virus with many unknowns, no vaccine, and higher death rates for the elderly. Hope that helps.

To that point, flu has a much shorter asymptomatic incubation period, so the benefit of masks is further reduced.

[Castle2.0]

Word salad; didn't read.

Let me fix that for you.

I am wrong. I will therefore pretend I cannot read, or there are too many words for my small brain.

You are okay with X number of people dying so you can keep your freedom, finances, and mental health.

You are not okay with Y number of people dying so you can keep your freedom, finances, and mental health.

I am curious what X and Y are.

Maybe you weren't smart enough to see where my line of questioning was going, but now you do - so you feign stupidity.

Are you going to need me to avoid compound sentences and use 1 sentence per paragraph moving forward so you can understand? <--Is this even okay for you ;)

To that point, flu has a much shorter asymptomatic incubation period, so the benefit of masks is further reduced. Might wanna stick to your expert commentary on China. JK, don't do that either

[Toad1]

To that point, flu has a much shorter asymptomatic incubation period, so the benefit of masks is further reduced.

Masks dont do anything

[BlackBellamy]

We do have docs that show Hunter Biden took 3.5M from Moscow Mayor - an actual Russian oligarch - AND this, with ZERO personal experience in "Russian Oligarching."

P.S. You can read the notes yourself. At first blush, it looks pretty damning.

Nobody gives a shit. I'm not stating an opinion either. It's a fact.

The Democrats accomplished one thing with their relentless Russia Bullshit. They confused the ever living fuck out of everyone and made them completely lose interest. No one knows the difference between Flynn and Page and Brennan and dossier and notes and emails and everything else. It's one giant fucking mess everyone is trying to forget as hard as possible.

Now we have some 'revelation' and no one is interested because it sounds like more Russia Bullshit.

They didn't succeed in convicting him, but they convinced a ton of people there must have been some fire there for all that smoke, and now when something comes out that counters that narrative, no one cares because it's time to move on.

Of course Obama and Hillary conspired along with their entire crew to fuck Trump right in the ass. Of course they did. It was a conspiracy and it was completely and totally illegal, orders of magnitude worse than Nixon's shenanigans. It's all right there in the notes, in their schedules, in their emails and their texts. It's in their testimony; they lie to the cameras for 2 years then tell the truth to the committee and it's marked secret fuck you plebe. Now it's declassified and it means nothing because everyone is sick of it.

I gotta hand it to the Dems on that one, even when you fail you succeed I guess.

[Woke Locc]

Masks dont do anything

How big are water droplets?

[BlackBellamy]

the president’s lab work from Monday showed “detectable levels of SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies.”

Mission Accomplished!

Now the Executive Antibody must be shared with the nation.

[Pretzelle]

Nobody gives a shit. I'm not stating an opinion either. It's a fact.

The Democrats accomplished one thing with their relentless Russia Bullshit. They confused the ever living fuck out of everyone and made them completely lose interest. No one knows the difference between Flynn and Page and Brennan and dossier and notes and emails and everything else. It's one giant fucking mess everyone is trying to forget as hard as possible.

Now we have some 'revelation' and no one is interested because it sounds like more Russia Bullshit.

They didn't succeed in convicting him, but they convinced a ton of people there must have been some fire there for all that smoke, and now when something comes out that counters that narrative, no one cares because it's time to move on.

Of course Obama and Hillary conspired along with their entire crew to fuck Trump right in the ass. Of course they did. It was a conspiracy and it was completely and totally illegal, orders of magnitude worse than Nixon's shenanigans. It's all right there in the notes, in their schedules, in their emails and their texts. It's in their testimony; they lie to the cameras for 2 years then tell the truth to the committee and it's marked secret fuck you plebe. Now it's declassified and it means nothing because everyone is sick of it.

I gotta hand it to the Dems on that one, even when you fail you succeed I guess.

And, over the last four years Trump was impotent to do anything about it? Yeah, okay.

[White_knight]

Lol, Trump is to blame for Coronavirus spread?

Haha.

Atleast the crazy left are trying to give him credit for something.

[Castle2.0]

Don't waste words on Pretzel. More than a few together and it blows his mind. "Word salad" ya know?

He doesn't want you to challenge his 'thinking'.

Follow your leader Pretzel: dodge questions and keep hiding in fear.

[Pretzelle]

I don't have a leader - have a guy I've voted for that will do a better job than the cult leader you worship.

[Castle2.0]

Keep avoiding simple questions and complaining you can't read compound sentences.

[Pretzelle]

Keep avoiding simple questions and complaining you can't read compound sentences.

You sound mad. Need a hug?

[Patriam1066]

Nobody gives a shit. I'm not stating an opinion either. It's a fact.

The Democrats accomplished one thing with their relentless Russia Bullshit. They confused the ever living fuck out of everyone and made them completely lose interest. No one knows the difference between Flynn and Page and Brennan and dossier and notes and emails and everything else. It's one giant fucking mess everyone is trying to forget as hard as possible.

Now we have some 'revelation' and no one is interested because it sounds like more Russia Bullshit.

They didn't succeed in convicting him, but they convinced a ton of people there must have been some fire there for all that smoke, and now when something comes out that counters that narrative, no one cares because it's time to move on.

Of course Obama and Hillary conspired along with their entire crew to fuck Trump right in the ass. Of course they did. It was a conspiracy and it was completely and totally illegal, orders of magnitude worse than Nixon's shenanigans. It's all right there in the notes, in their schedules, in their emails and their texts. It's in their testimony; they lie to the cameras for 2 years then tell the truth to the committee and it's marked secret fuck you plebe. Now it's declassified and it means nothing because everyone is sick of it.

I gotta hand it to the Dems on that one, even when you fail you succeed I guess.

Why does everyone have a victim narrative? Trump is not a victim, nor are his redneck supporters, nor are black people. Stop whining and get jobs pussies, and when you’re clearly unqualified, as Trump is, prepare to be shitcanned. This is America. If you can’t hang fuck off

[Patriam1066]

Germany, Japan, South Korea, the Netherlands, Austria, Denmark, norway, Finland

Less spread, shorter lockdowns, less bailouts, less GDP loss, lower unemployment

We could’ve done better, only Britain fucked up as bad as we did and they are similarly politically brain dead (among western nations, don’t cite covid in India and expect me to care)

[Castle2.0]

No I already got one in China town while telling the cameras the orange man is racist and that Americans need to come down to China town.

You are okay with hundreds of thousands dying for your own personal interest. So cruel.

[Jibartik]

Germany, Japan, South Korea, the Netherlands, Austria, Denmark, norway, Finland

Less spread, shorter lockdowns, less bailouts, less GDP loss, lower unemployment

We could’ve done better, only Britain fucked up as bad as we did and they are similarly politically brain dead (among western nations, don’t cite covid in India and expect me to care)

All of that is made up by journalists that went to corrupt liberal schools to brainwash them into writing anti trump rhetoric.

Leftists are such sheep. Covid isnt real, immune trump proved it.

/s

[BlackBellamy]

Why does everyone have a victim narrative? Trump is not a victim, nor are his redneck supporters, nor are black people. Stop whining and get jobs pussies, and when you’re clearly unqualified, as Trump is, prepare to be shitcanned. This is America. If you can’t hang fuck off

Whoa whoa, maybe you're projecting? I didn't say Trump was a victim, I said some people conspired illegally to hurt him. You can have bad things happen to you without claiming victimhood.

[Jibartik]

Whoa whoa, maybe you're projecting? I didn't say Trump was a victim, I said some people conspired illegally to hurt him. You can have bad things happen to you without claiming victimhood.

Idk I hear a lot of one sided attacks... Do you think trump did anything that would be considered illegal conspiring during the campaign?

Or do you think that trump is a victim of a 1 sided illegal political coup?

I would say we are all vitims of 2 political factions doing a lot of what you posted in that quote.

[Patriam1066]

The FBI tanked Hillary Clinton a week before the election but there’s a conspiracy against Trump

That’s a bunch of malarkey

[Toad1]

Will it be more civilized ?

Penske and kamala are much more mature, thats something we all agree on

Will the plexiglass save them both from the evil covid?

[Toad1]

How big are water droplets?

Bacteria is microscopic and goes right through both when you exhale and inhale

masks dont do anything, everyone is wearing masks and infections are soaring, shouldnt the masks be working?

[Toad1]

No one goes to those countries, no one travels as much, they dont import every god dam item they use like we do ( Thanks to democrats )

PS The USPS Is the biggest spreader of covid with runner ups UPS and FEDEX

( The most effective distribution system is packages / mail since it survives on any surface for 24 hours and sorting facilities are playgrounds for bacteria )

[Woke Locc]

Whoa whoa, maybe you're projecting? I didn't say Trump was a victim, I said some people conspired illegally to hurt him. You can have bad things happen to you without claiming victimhood.

Victim is the word for people who are wronged, just or unjust is your own problem.

[Woke Locc]

Bacteria is microscopic and goes right through both when you exhale and inhale

masks dont do anything, everyone is wearing masks and infections are soaring, shouldnt the masks be working?

It's carried in water droplets, which are bigger. Breath is moist.

[douglas1999]

Yamaha 2020

[Patriam1066]

Drink every time Kamala calls pence racist

Take a shot every time pence says socialist or radical left

[Patriam1066]

The Netherlands has the largest container port in the world outside china

Hope this helps

[Woke Locc]

The plexiglass is stupid

[Tethler]

The plexiglass is stupid

Mother would disapprove if he were alone with a woman without some kind of barrier.

[Pretzelle]

Mike Pence has wanted to be the President of the United States since he was a little boy. He believes that to be his god given destiny.

When Trump won the Republican nomination in 2016 the horrified GOP elders came to Pence with a plan. Get on the ticket with Trump. He's obviously going to lose but in 2020 you'll step up as the nominee with both traditional GOP and MAGA support.

Karen Pence warned him not to get in bed with Trump but he didn't listen.

On election night 2016 Karen Pence wept.

Mother wept because she knew then what Mike must know now, that he'll never be the President of the United States.

This is as far as his destiny goes... a footnote in history to a corrupt buffoon.

Feel better?