2020 Election MEGAthread

[Toad1]

So you’re stance is unborn babies aren’t afforded any rights until they are born. Yikes

Perhaps unearthed potatoes have rights to grow into adults?

So that means those little taters in the store should be illegal now

what about baby carrots? They never get a chance to grow up?

i think premature babies should go in the garbage disposal

[Pretzelle]

A lot of people in this thread should have been aborted. Jesus Fucking Christ.

[douglas1999]

Abortions during the 1st trimester 4 all. After that it's creepy baby murder. Late term abortions are extremely rare, which is the right's main gripe, but also abortions as the result of rape are extremely rare, which is the left's go-to justification "A rape victim should be forced to have the baby??!" No, she shouldn't but that also almost never happens. The vast majority of abortions are just "whoopsie I'm pregnont lol!". Take the many readily available measures to ensure you don't get pregnant if you don't want to be, and go fuck like a rabbit for all I care. And even if those measures fail, you've still got a whole 3 months to decide to kill it or not! I think that's a pretty fair middle ground.

[douglas1999]

A lot of people in this thread should have been aborted. Jesus Fucking Christ.

Well that's creepy and psychotic, thanks Pretzelle. "People who I disagree with should have been killed long ago!!!". Weird and disturbing sentiment, you've gotta work on you before you go about changing the world.

[Patriam1066]

“Right leaning justices uphold the constitution.”

Oh really? Why do we have militarized police and private prisons then? The conservative justices on the court have been absolutely abysmal on criminal justice and government overreach. Edward Snowden will probably die in Russia and his crime was being a whistleblower. SAD!

[Pretzelle]

Well that's creepy and psychotic, thanks Pretzelle. "People who I disagree with should have been killed long ago!!!". Weird and disturbing sentiment, you've gotta work on you before you go about changing the world.

That you view abortion as killing tells me everything I need to know. A fetus isn't a living being - it's a parasite made up of human cells. And a woman should not be required to carry a parasite to term if she does not want to. Why are we punishing people for having sex? The religious dunces in this country need to get the fuck out of here with their morality.

Why do conservatives only care about "children" until they're born? There's no social safety net, no medical coverage, no guaranteed paid maternity/paternity leave, nothing. It's a sham and you know it. They just want to regulate and legislate the private activities of consenting adults.

Edit: Didn't hear any outrage that Trump's miracle cure used aborted fetal tissue from the conservative nutjobs on this forum. Wonder why?

[Jibartik]

I think if you think or dont think of abortion is murder is irrelevant.

The point that was being made was the democrats were trying to pack the courts because they believe in legislating with the SCOTUS: However if you think the SCOTUS should vote to overturn roe v wade, then you are the one that is trying to use the court to legislate, not the other way around. In this case, it is the Democrats that are trying to uphold the constitution.

I also think the ultimate irony is that one would think a fetus should be protected by re-interoperating the constitution, but not think Americans should be asked to wear masks during a national emergency.

None of the ideas are consistent. And yall make post after post after post about how the left is hypocritical because it doesn't want to make everyone live in prisons for all eternity to avoid the flu.

[FatherSioux]

“Right leaning justices uphold the constitution.”

Oh really? Why do we have militarized police and private prisons then? The conservative justices on the court have been absolutely abysmal on criminal justice and government overreach. Edward Snowden will probably die in Russia and his crime was being a whistleblower. SAD!

Did you know that Snowden used credentials of coworkers to obtain the documents he leaked? Credentials he obtained maliciously. Snowden isn't the hero you think he is, he is an opportunist charlatan.

Most of what you speak of is due to executive overreach. Also I never claimed they were perfect, they without a doubt uphold the founding fathers visions to a greater degree than advocate judges the left throws out.

[Woke Locc]

“This is what nominees do,” Buttigieg said. “They write the most seemingly unobjectionable, dry stuff. But really what I see in there is a pathway to judicial activism cloaked in judicial humility.” (https://www.metroweekly.com/2020/10/pete-buttigieg-gives-incredible-response-to-amy-coney-barretts-opening-statement/)

[FatherSioux]

“This is what nominees do,” Buttigieg said. “They write the most seemingly unobjectionable, dry stuff. But really what I see in there is a pathway to judicial activism cloaked in judicial humility.” (https://www.metroweekly.com/2020/10/pete-buttigieg-gives-incredible-response-to-amy-coney-barretts-opening-statement/)

Gay Pete would win this election in a landslide. The DNC is really, really, really bad at their job.

Pete contends The Constitution is a living document. This is a split in the road for many, I do not believe it is a living document, he does. He's entitled to that and that is where Jibartik and I differ as well. I enjoy the founding fathers vision and don't think it needs to be altered yearly.

[Jibartik]

that is where Jibartik and I differ as well. I enjoy the founding fathers vision and don't think it needs to be altered yearly.

You're making it up, because I have said not one thing that is even remotely close to that.

I have said:

1. if you are anti abortion and anti mask you are just as dumb as me for being anti shutting down the economy during every flu season.
2. if you think that the democrats use the scotus to legislate but you want to elect a scotus to repeal every amendment after the 10th(idk where you stand but it sounds like that's your position?) you are 100% using the scotus to legislate.

[Pretzelle]

Imagine caring about the opinion of people who lived 300 years ago to make decisions about today's society.

[FatherSioux]

Imagine caring about the opinion of people who lived 300 years ago to make decisions about today's society.

Go watch Fiddler on the Roof you child

[Woke Locc]

Imagine caring about the opinion of people who lived 300 years ago to make decisions about today's society.

“It was actually Thomas Jefferson himself who said that ‘We might as well ask a man to still wear the coat which fitted him when he was a boy as expect future generations to live under’ — what he called — ‘the regime of their barbarous ancestors,'” Buttigieg added.

“So even the founders that these kind of dead hand originalists claim fidelity to understood better than their ideological descendants — today’s judicial so-called conservatives — the importance of keeping with the times. And we deserve judges and justices who understand that.”

[Pretzelle]

Gay Pete would win this election in a landslide. The DNC is really, really, really bad at their job.

Pete contends The Constitution is a living document. This is a split in the road for many, I do not believe it is a living document, he does. He's entitled to that and that is where Jibartik and I differ as well. I enjoy the founding fathers vision and don't think it needs to be altered yearly.

Go watch Fiddler on the Roof you child

You're the one believing in fairy tales, buddy.

[BlackBellamy]

If one political party, packs the court with their ideology, we need balance, we need the other side.


The point that was being made was the democrats were trying to pack the courts because they believe in legislating with the SCOTUS: However if you think the SCOTUS should vote to overturn roe v wade, then you are the one that is trying to use the court to legislate, not the other way around. In this case, it is the Democrats that are trying to uphold the constitution.

I also think the ultimate irony is that one would think a fetus should be protected by re-interoperating the constitution, but not think Americans should be asked to wear masks during a national emergency.

None of the ideas are consistent. And yall make post after post after post about how the left is hypocritical because it doesn't want to make everyone live in prisons for all eternity to avoid the flu.

Ok so for consistency's sake let's first agree on what court packing is.

Court stacking is where you appoint judges that favor your ideology and/or party affiliation. So your claim is that the Republicans are trying to stack the courts. The point about Democrats trying to pack the courts refers to their declared gambit of expanding the court size and then stacking it.

Packing is much worse than just stacking. If you stack you're still playing by the rules both sides established. Like everyone agrees on nine and then tries to appoint their judges when they can. But if you pack it's like you're saying when it's my turn, I'm going to expand the court size and then stack it with my judges so you won't have a chance in hell of getting any decisions your way. Like instead of waiting for a justice to die, you just appoint more because you can.

Both parties stack the courts when they can. It's the privilege of power to appoint judges and for a long time it's been understood that's what you do when you can. By throwing the whole court-packing hissy fit, the Democrats painted themselves as destructive children kicking the game table over. Embarrassed they are now using the word "packing" to mean something else so they can accuse Republicans of doing something the Democrats do under another name.

Propaganda examples:

"The American people have watched the Republicans packing the court for the past three and a half years," Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., told NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday.

"It constitutes court-packing," Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., said of the Amy Coney Barrett confirmation

"The only court-packing that's going on right now is going on with Republicans packing the court now, it's not constitutional what they're doing," Biden said. "The only packing going on is this court that they packed now by the Republicans."

All these people know exactly how the term (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/12/no-gop-didnt-engage-court-packing-it-did-plenty-court-stacking/) court-packing has been used for a hundred years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Procedures_Reform_Bill_of_1937) and they try to change it to blame others.

Wow language can sure be dynamic in a hurry!

So to recap:

Republicans and Democracts = court stacking = eh.
Democrats = court packing = super bad!

Now that we established that the prime mouthpieces of the Democrat party are conniving and inveterate liars, let's move on to abortion.

Or specifically legislating from the bench. What Republicans object to is exactly that. The judges we want are originalists. This means that the judges are supposed to interpret the law according to the intent of the original writers of the law and if they have to go that far back, what the writers of the Constitution meant when they wrote it. We don't want textualists, who interpret the law as if written contemporaneously, according to what the words mean now. Democrats like those because Democrats are cowardly and lazy. Allow me to explain:

If you have a originalist judicial system, that forces the lawmakers to be on the ball. They have to carefully consider their legislation and they have to update it. Very importantly they have to debate it and take a public stance. That's because the Supreme Court isn't going to go hmmm well they could have meant this or that and then jump through some hoops to keep the law valid. They're going to say your law is defective and now rewrite it or it doesn't apply.

Let me give you an example; just this year the idiot Gorsuch joined the majority in writing this garbage:

“In Title VII, Congress adopted broad language making it illegal for an employer to rely on an employee’s sex when deciding to fire that employee,” Gorsuch wrote in the majority opinion. “We do not hesitate to recognize today a necessary consequence of that legislative choice: An employer who fires an individual merely for being gay or transgender defies the law.”

He equates "sex" with being gay or transgender. When Congress instituted Title VII – which prohibits employer discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin – as part of the Civil Rights Act of 1975, the word "sex" in very clear in the language of the day was used meaning biological gender, nothing more, nothing less. But the Court redefined "sex" essentially changing the law or legislating from the bench. It sure works for cowardly and lazy legislators who spend 85% of their time fundraising anyway but principled people oppose it.

In the Republican-favored originalist scenario, the Court would have rejected Gorsuch's stance and rejected Title VII protection for gays and transgenders and that would have been the case until Congress decided to specifically change the language of the law.

Because we oppose legislating from the bench we are portrayed as hating on the gays or whoever the courts are trying to 'help-out'. But we love the gays! We just want Congress to write the laws and write them clearly and often. We want the Courts to limit themselves to good dog/bad dog criticisms, we don't need them to teach us new tricks.

Oh abortion, right!

So yeah same thing. I mean I am glad that my personal view on abortion aligns with my principled stand against judicial activism, meaning fighting against the latter will make the former much harder to obtain. Don't think that I would stop fighting against textualism or juridical legislation even if it meant advancing abortion's cause, as distasteful as that might be as long as the Constitution was upheld and the framework under which this nation has been working under is honored.

[Pretzelle]

Stacking and Packing is the only thing that will save this country from a generation of regression. Hope that helps.

[Jibartik]

Ok so for consistency's sake let's first agree on what court packing is. (https://lymediseaseuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/moving-the-goalposts-300x2402.jpg)

Once your opponent sinks to semantics, you know you’ve reached the depth of their ability. Take note kids.

lol I win again. OT is easy :o

Fact: Court packing in this context, and the reason it was brought up, why it was asked during the debates, and everything releated to the phrase in conversation = increasing the scotus to 11 judges.

[Jibartik]

I'm skimming your post BB because its very long!

One thing you claim is that court packing is bad and we all agree on 9 judges?

Whos we? Nobody has agree'd to that. Weve changed the number from 5 to 10 many times. John Addams Didn't agree. TD Roosevelt didn't agree. The constitution doesn't say either. And and it's been as low as 5. They passed an act to lower it to 7 but never did and then just bumped it up to 9.

You say stacking is less bad than packing, but you're going to have to explain that, because you dont. If you ask 9 republicans if we should enforce prayer at school theyre going to enforce prayer at school. If it was all democrats in there yall would be at re-neducation right now. So why would you think a court stacked by evangelicals is a good idea too?

The power becomes imbalanced and one political ideology is able to take control of the country, to the dismay of half the country. It's not right, its far worse than "packing" even they way you define it.

You need to defend the claim that packing = worse than stacking, because Im calling you out, it's not true.

[Jibartik]

Or specifically legislating from the bench. What Republicans object to is exactly that. The judges we want are originalists. This means that the judges are supposed to interpret the law according to the intent of the original writers of the law and if they have to go that far back, what the writers of the Constitution meant when they wrote it. We don't want textualists, who interpret the law as if written contemporaneously, according to what the words mean now. Democrats like those because Democrats are cowardly and lazy. Allow me to explain:

If you have a originalist judicial system, that forces the lawmakers to be on the ball. They have to carefully consider their legislation and they have to update it. Very importantly they have to debate it and take a public stance. That's because the Supreme Court isn't going to go hmmm well they could have meant this or that and then jump through some hoops to keep the law valid. They're going to say your law is defective and now rewrite it or it doesn't apply.

OK so you also affirm that we should repeal all amendments besides the first 10? Or are you against the bill of rights too?

Although I find any of these arguments to be dubious because just a few pages ago you said the opposite of ALL of this, and said that you wanted the republicans to appoint judges because they are the ones that protect the sanctity of life.

This stands in stark contrast to everything you wrote in your recent post :

This is why I and other Republicans object to Roe v. Wade. Not because it legalized abortion. No one in their right mind understands abortion can be completely banned. It's because it legalized abortion for convenience as a matter of privacy and said yes this is Constitutional and proper. We disagree. If you want to have your abortions you need to come up with a better reason

[Woke Locc]

Used to be there was 1 scotus judge per court circuit. That's more than 9!

So I mean, yeah, originalism. :)

This post sponsored by Bristlebane.

[Jibartik]

Used to be there was 1 scotus judge per court circuit. That's more than 9!

So I mean, yeah, originalism. :)

This post sponsored by Bristlebane.

I read that because they had to be in district courts and travel was so slow back in the 1800s, they were very rarely home and usually there would be no more than 2 in washington.

Fun job I bet, driving around on madison train cars all over the bustling new lands of the west and industrial revolution in the east and getting involved in all the behind the scene's drama about it all.

[Jibartik]

huh, 15 of the 23 amendments added to the constitution were added by the republican party (https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/15-constitutional-amendments-proposed-in-republican-convention-platforms) lol.

Lol if you think that's ironic, the first 10 (Bill of rights) were actually added to the constitution in order to get the federalists to even sign the damn thing.

So that's 25/33 amendments, made by federalists & Republicans.

So I dont think this whole republicans are originalists idea has any legs :P

[Pretzelle]

How do you "conservatives" feel about all of the states reducing their ballot boxes down to ONE per county? Willing to let people die of Covid but you don't want them to vote? Or did they not mention that on your fox news feed?

[BlackBellamy]

I'm skimming your post BB because its very long!

You know, I'm not arrogant to believe everyone will read my posts, or that anyone at all will for that matter. But I do expect it as a common courtesy of people commenting on it. Being upfront that you didn't read it and here come all your inferences based on your skimming gives you credit for honesty if nothing else.

So here are just two things that you didn't understand, perhaps because I was unclear, although perhaps not:

OK so you also affirm that we should repeal all amendments besides the first 10? Or are you against the bill of rights too? That was before the ratification, so I think that one is allowed to stay if you are a federalist.

I never said that and there's no way you could you possibly infer that. The Founders intended for the Constitution to be amended. They very specifically wanted it changed to account for the future unknown and they described a specific process for doing so which has produced a great many amendments, legally and constitutionally just like it was indented. They changed it as soon as they wrote it with the additional Bill of Rights, and they kept adding and changing stuff since. That's all proper and fine because that's the originalist view; that the Founders intended all that.

Although I find any of these arguments to be dubious because just a few pages ago you said the opposite of ALL of this, and said that you wanted the republicans to appoint judges because they are the ones that protect the sanctity of life.

This stands in stark contrast to everything you wrote in your recent post :


BlackBellamy wisely wrote: This is why I and other Republicans object to Roe v. Wade. Not because it legalized abortion. No one in their right mind understands abortion can be completely banned. It's because it legalized abortion for convenience as a matter of privacy and said yes this is Constitutional and proper. We disagree. If you want to have your abortions you need to come up with a better reason than it's my business. .



I don't even know what to do about this^^^

You write:

because they are the ones that protect the sanctity of life.

and then you quote me going:

Not because it legalized abortion.

So you refute your own argument with my quote and so save me the trouble?

I'm not against Roe v. Wade BECAUSE it legalized abortion. I'm against Roe v. Wade because it was decided unconstitutionally, with the courts usurping power reserved for Congress.

The fact that repealing Roe v. Wade would make abortion more difficult is a desirable outcome but not the reason I oppose it.

[BlackBellamy]

How do you "conservatives" feel about all of the states reducing their ballot boxes down to ONE per county? Willing to let people die of Covid but you don't want them to vote? Or did they not mention that on your fox news feed?

Are you kidding? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-abbott-praises-court-ruling-on-mail-in-ballots !!!

We're extremely well informed :) We not only get Fox News, we're told by our Republican Overlords to consume the fake news outlets too so we know what you're being lied to about! This way we can come right back with a witty reply or a timely link debunking your obviously badly-constructed conspiracy theory.

I feel pretty good about our voter-suppression efforts, I think it's time we finally started to get ahead in that game practiced by the Democrats for so long. (https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/17/what-the-msm-wont-tell-you-about-democrats-voter-suppression-in-the-wisconsin-election/)

I had an idea of replacing water with gin the day before the election in all neighborhoods below a certain income threshold but I was told "that is too much gin".

[Woke Locc]

I never said that and there's no way you could you possibly infer that. The Founders intended for the Constitution to be amended. They very specifically wanted it changed to account for the future unknown and they described a specific process for doing so which has produced a great many amendments, legally and constitutionally just like it was indented. They changed it as soon as they wrote it with the additional Bill of Rights, and they kept adding and changing stuff since. That's all proper and fine because that's the originalist view; that the Founders intended all that.

Sounds like a living document, bud. Are you sure you know what originalism is?

[Pretzelle]

Are you kidding? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-abbott-praises-court-ruling-on-mail-in-ballots !!!

We're extremely well informed :) We not only get Fox News, we're told by our Republican Overlords to consume the fake news outlets too so we know what you're being lied to about! This way we can come right back with a witty reply or a timely link debunking your obviously badly-constructed conspiracy theory.

I feel pretty good about our voter-suppression efforts, I think it's time we finally started to get ahead in that game practiced by the Democrats for so long. (https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/17/what-the-msm-wont-tell-you-about-democrats-voter-suppression-in-the-wisconsin-election/)

I had an idea of replacing water with gin the day before the election in all neighborhoods below a certain income threshold but I was told "that is too much gin".

Thanks for not answering the question.

"If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”

[Jibartik]

You know, I'm not arrogant to believe everyone will read my posts, or that anyone at all will for that matter. But I do expect it as a common courtesy of people commenting on it. Being upfront that you didn't read it and here come all your inferences based on your skimming gives you credit for honesty if nothing else.I'm against Roe v. Wade because it was decided unconstitutionally, with the courts usurping power reserved for Congress.

I'm against Roe v. Wade because it was decided unconstitutionally, with the courts usurping power reserved for Congress.

Dont be so down on yourself, I did read your post 3 times.

I think I get your point correct me if I am wrong:
1. you personally are anti abortion
2. you want republicans because they are "origionalists" and that coincidentally is anti abortion, so thats a bonus, its the "origionalist" thing you're after.

I need to know what origionalist means, what does it mean? Ive made some pretty compelling arguments that it's republicans that have made more changes to the constitution than the democrats have, and also what is not originalist about interpreting 2 100 year old amendments to mean you cant federally outlaw abortion? or to allow gay marriage? Is it just those original like, social takes on those social issues what you mean by origionlists?

How was rvw unconstitutional?

[Woke Locc]

How was rvw unconstitutional?

He was high and mistook a criticism of Marbury v. Madison as a good idea

[Jibartik]

I really don't understand the argument with rvw being unconstitutionaly passed, or what.

This is the only argument that I think holds any water with the abortion debate: A prominent argument against the Roe decision is that, in the absence of consensus about when meaningful life begins, it is best to avoid the risk of doing harm

But that isnt what the convo was about anyway, the convo was about how the scotus with 9 is some how inherently better than a scotus of 11.

And aside from "republicans do it better and I want laws to change" the only other argument is "democrats want to abuse the scotus to change laws and legislate" when historically the republicans have 70% more amendments than democrats so I can't find any validity to that argument.

Seems pretty clear what we got here is a "I want my holy side to defeat the godless other side."

But all that would take is for someone to explain to me why a panel of 9 republicans makes more sense than a panel of 4/5 democrats/republicans, unless you're a republican.

[FatherSioux]

If abortion or anything needs to be changed legally it should be voted on and passed in the Legislative Branch by members who are accountable to the electorate. Not the Judicial Branch who shouldn't be beholden to anyone except the Constitution. If the Legislative branch throws together a law that the Judicial branch doesn't think holds water they are doing so because it is poorly written and not possible to uphold. At which point they have the Legislative branch rewrite it and try again. Learn about Civics

RvW bypassed the Legislative Branch precisely because they likely couldn't have garnered the support in the Legislative branch, or were too cowardly to full-on come out in favor of abortion at that time. So they kick the bucket to the Judicial Branch.

PS: 9/9 Republicans do not vote for prayer in school.

[Woke Locc]

PS: 9/9 Republicans do not vote for prayer in school.

Well yes, God is a tyrant after all.

That's kinda the point of republicanism

[hobart]

If abortion or anything needs to be changed legally it should be voted on and passed in the Legislative Branch by members who are accountable to the electorate. Not the Judicial Branch who shouldn't be beholden to anyone except the Constitution. If the Legislative branch throws together a law that the Judicial branch doesn't think holds water they are doing so because it is poorly written and not possible to uphold. At which point they have the Legislative branch rewrite it and try again. Learn about Civics

RvW bypassed the Legislative Branch precisely because they likely couldn't have garnered the support in the Legislative branch, or were too cowardly to full-on come out in favor of abortion at that time. So they kick the bucket to the Judicial Branch.

PS: 9/9 Republicans do not vote for prayer in school.

Your parents need to being legal action against the school district and try to get some of their tax dollars refunded.

[Jibartik]

If abortion or anything needs to be changed legally it should be voted on and passed in the Legislative Branch by members who are accountable to the electorate. Not the Judicial Branch who shouldn't be beholden to anyone except the Constitution. If the Legislative branch throws together a law that the Judicial branch doesn't think holds water they are doing so because it is poorly written and not possible to uphold. At which point they have the Legislative branch rewrite it and try again. Learn about Civics

RvW bypassed the Legislative Branch precisely because they likely couldn't have garnered the support in the Legislative branch, or were too cowardly to full-on come out in favor of abortion at that time. So they kick the bucket to the Judicial Branch.

Im not sure that's what happened. I think people were trying to pass laws and they took it to their local courts, and they couldn't solve it so it was passed up to the SCOTUS and there they determined it was constitutional and that is how legal precedent works?

Is that not how it happened? anyone got another story that is different?

PS: 9/9 Republicans do not vote for prayer in school.

I mean I get that you guys admit he is a liar but https://time.com/5765829/trump-school-prayer-evangelicals/

[FatherSioux]

Im not sure that's what happened. I think people were trying to pass laws and they took it to their local courts, and they couldn't solve it so it was passed up to the SCOTUS and there they determined it was constitutional and that is how legal precedent works?

Is that not how it happened? anyone got another story that is different?
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This is exactly why many see RvW as a bad SCOTUS decision.

[Mota]

Is that not how it happened? anyone got another story that is different?[/url]

Roe wanted an abortion but Texas law said no abortions, only kolaches. She sued and it went to the supreme court.

[Jibartik]

This is exactly why many see RvW as a bad SCOTUS decision.

You are upset the interpreted the constitution in the favor of the person wanting the abortion, and you've construed that into legislating.

Disappointed none could convince me it was actual fairness that right is after.

[FatherSioux]

The merits of RvW are not why it’s bad. It’s procedural, I’m still not sure you grasp how things are supposed to work.

[Pretzelle]

The merits of RvW are not why it’s bad. It’s procedural, I’m still not sure you grasp how things are supposed to work.

Supposed to work based on whose interpretation? I think RvW is exactly how the SCOTUS is supposed to work.

[Woke Locc]

so what's yall beef with judicial review?

I will mark your answer as incomplete if the meat of it is "unconstitutional" or any loquacious variety thereof

[FatherSioux]

Try this on for size (https://www.mccl.org/post/2017/01/20/the-three-fundamental-problems-with-roe-v-wade?_sm_pdc=1&_sm_rid=01mQf6cD1JQfmZV3qB653ffstH1ttNf6f2mhV6s)

[Pretzelle]

lol MCCL? They certainly don't have a bias. Really, really, don't care what their opinion is on RvW.

[Woke Locc]

Try this on for size (https://www.mccl.org/post/2017/01/20/the-three-fundamental-problems-with-roe-v-wade?_sm_pdc=1&_sm_rid=01mQf6cD1JQfmZV3qB653ffstH1ttNf6f2mhV6s)

That is not the question I asked; cert is denied.

[Jibartik]

This is the closing argument on that link:

So these are the three fundamental and intractable problems with Roe v. Wade. The Supreme Court abused the Constitution to usurp the authority of the people by imposing an unjust policy with morally disastrous results.

This is pure opinion, and proves that the issue you have is with god not goverment.

I think you are immoral. You think I am immoral. Let's call the whole thing off.

[Woke Locc]

I think you are immoral. You think I am immoral. Let's call the whole thing off.

I lol'd

[galach]

What's up with this NYpost Hunter Biden story. Twitter & FB blocking the article. Guess there is video of Hunter smoking crack too?

[Woke Locc]

What's up with this NYpost Hunter Biden story. Twitter & FB blocking the article. Guess there is video of Hunter smoking crack too?

The crack part I believe but the Joe part came from Giuliani.

Do you have the vid?

[FatherSioux]

This is the closing argument on that link:



This is pure opinion, and proves that the issue you have is with god not goverment.

I think you are immoral. You think I am immoral. Let's call the whole thing off.

You honestly read that article and are dismissing it as opinion. As far as immoral, I know I’m not immoral. You’re just clouded by some notion of what you believe is moral. Therefor neither of us are immoral. My morals are backed by the construction of Western Civilization. Your morals appear to be based on some ubermensch idea yet to be proven effective.

[galach]

The crack part I believe but the Joe part came from Giuliani.

Do you have the vid?

Nope.

I'm sure Alex Jones is going crazy over the censorship & de-platforming though.

[Pretzelle]

Lindsey Graham longs for the "good ol' days of segregation" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkBYHrq-hoA)

[Pretzelle]

What's up with this NYpost Hunter Biden story. Twitter & FB blocking the article. Guess there is video of Hunter smoking crack too?

Sounds like a lot of fake news. Not surprising that "conservatives" would cling to that, though.

[galach]

Just saw some of the pictures. This is crazy censorship whether or not you are republican or democrat.


https://i.imgur.com/epq5JvR.png

[Pretzelle]

Is this any worse than Trump's adderall addiction? Or Jr's coke habit? Just checking -- at least the Bidens have acknowledged Hunter's substance abuse issues and have sought treatment.

[galach]

Is this any worse than Trump's adderall addiction? Or Jr's coke habit? Just checking -- at least the Bidens have acknowledged Hunter's substance abuse issues and have sought treatment.

It would be like CNN posting a story about any of that stuff then twitter & FB blocking it being posted, DM'd or discussed. If anything, them censoring this will give it the Streisand effect.

[Pretzelle]

I doubt it. The left won't care. The right is already convinced. This isn't news - it's TMZ.

[Woke Locc]

Anyone have the meme of the mustache bear but its Julian Assange yelling OCTOBER SURPRISE!!!

This is the biggest scandal since Hillary gave our uranium to Russia

[Jibartik]

Your morals appear to be based on some ubermensch idea yet to be proven effective.

No, I think you worship the beast. :o

[Jibartik]

Just saw some of the pictures. This is crazy censorship whether or not you are republican or democrat.


https://i.imgur.com/epq5JvR.png

Oh cool I didnt know he played on the red server

[FatherSioux]

Oh cool I didnt know he played on the red server

Nice

[FatherSioux]

If they go after Hunters substance abuse that’s an easy spin since the libs think we’re heartless anyways.

[Jibartik]

the libs think we’re heartless anyways.

hey at least you have a soul :(

[BarnabusCollins]

Biden is in China's back pocket. Trump's personal lawyer is the 9/11 coverup mayor Rudy G. They're all members of the same cult - The Illuminati - and act as one - the only ones divided are the (idiot) public.

[FatherSioux]

Biden is in China's back pocket. Trump's personal lawyer is the 9/11 coverup mayor Rudy G. They're all members of the same cult - The Illuminati - and act as one - the only ones divided are the (idiot) public.

Most people prefer to believe they know things others don’t.

[White_knight]

Oh cool I didnt know he played on the red server

ROFL

[BarnabusCollins]

1856 died in Afghanistan to hostile actions in order to fuel the Illuminati cult's desire for poppy -> Opium -> Heroin - infiltration of the West, Led by Presidents Bush Jr. and Obama. Big (Collossal) amounts of money for their (Illuminati) pharmaceuticals they own majority share in. Maybe the biggest idiots of them all are the military.

[White_knight]

American election can by summarized as follows:

Imagine voting for Biden just because you dislike Trump.

Read into that statement however you like.

[BarnabusCollins]

Cell phone calls were impossible to make from flight altitude in 2001. Mohammed Atta's 'passport' found -perfectly intact- in the inferno of the WTC rubble. No commercial airliner passenger debris at Shanksville, debris photo looked like a missile had been fired to the earth. Larry Silverstein (WTC owner/multibillion dollar insurance holder) admits on camera they made the decision to 'pull it' referring to WTC building #7. BBC announces WTC #7 had fallen. 20 minutes later it actually fell. Many witness in Towers 1 and 2 reported explosions in the basement (nanothermite charges) prior to the collapses. And Giuliani oversaw the city. He knew exactly what was going on. And now he's Donald Trump's - billionaire US President - lawyer. Unbelieveable.

[bubur]

so bush should have worn a mask then

honestly, unbeliebable and totally disrespectful. LOSER

[Fame]

Who honestly cares about the crack? Whitney Houston rolled the rock and I will always love you is a national treasure. Cancel culture is dumb

[bubur]

Who honestly cares about the crack? Whitney Houston rolled the rock and I will always love you is a national treasure. Cancel culture is dumb

the crack is funny but i think the outrage is that his father was the point man for ukrainian relations (and the vice president of the united states) while the son was taking corrupt royalties from a foreign oil company and also the whole pressure to fire the investigator of said international corruption against threat of ending aid. hope that clears things up for you

quid quo pro or something or other. and crack cuz lol

[Woke Locc]

Let's be clear about what deplatforming is:

Google, youtube, etc; no social media company has an obligation to pay to host your content on their site.

It's just business.

[White_knight]

https://youtu.be/gqPltMpWIwo

How would anyone even vote for that party...she's a bitter old hag.

Her reasoning for not supporting a bill to help people struggling is because Trump would get credit....

...and people will vote 4 this party.

[Jibartik]

I think she's saying the reason she shot it down is the deal gives massive tax breaks to the rich, which is a valid problem with our government and is a dirty move by the other group, but she speaks and acts like a chattering skeleton, so I can never understand what the hell is going on when she's being interviewed. So I have no idea why she wouldn't make a deal lol.

[Jibartik]

With all this discussion about packing/stacking the court I wanted to post this video that autoplayed I was just listening to, its awesome. I suggest starting from the beginning but I set the time code for the part that really fits the context of the discussion over the last 10 pages, about balance of power: https://youtu.be/Ggz_gd--UO0?t=201

"Every country, every banana republic has a bill of rights. The soviet Union has one that has everything ours has and even says, 'anyone who is caught trying to suppress criticism of the government will be called to account' That sounds wonderful but it's just words on paper; what our framers would have called a 'parchment guarantee'. And the reason is: that the real constitution of the Soviet Union did not prevent the centralization of power. In one person, or in one party. And when that happens, the game is over."

edit: I wish we could learn or remember that we can have the best things, from 2 starkly different political ideologies because that's what our country is designed to do! I don't blame one side for this (unless we want to blame our crappy social studies teachers on republicans defunding it) but I remember last time we had that discussion we landed on teachers should be payed exactly $0.00 dollars :p

[charmcitysking]

Is this any worse than Trump's adderall addiction? Or Jr's coke habit? Just checking -- at least the Bidens have acknowledged Hunter's substance abuse issues and have sought treatment.

Yeah smoking crack is definitely worse than taking adderall. Much worse.

[BarnabusCollins]

The Pentagon did 9/11. Now tell me your vote matters.

[Patriam1066]

Barnabus I bet you can suck a golf ball through a garden hose

[BarnabusCollins]

Osama Bin Laden was a long time Bush family business associate he had nothing to do with 9/11 but was a good scapegoat like Oswald. 9/11 was done for three primary reasons: 1. Control of oil in Iraq (Big Oil) 2. Control of Opium of Afghanistan (Big Pharma) and 3. A closer front to fight/invade Russia or China on, bases in the middle east. Nothing is hidden that shall remain uncovered. Nothing is buried that shall remain unraised.

[BarnabusCollins]

If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself:

- Russia or China versus the USA/NATO
- Democrats versus Republicans
- Capitalism versus Communism

How then will his kingdom stand?

[Pretzelle]

Yeah smoking crack is definitely worse than taking adderall. Much worse.

How? Why?

[Patriam1066]

Lol dude smoking crack is worse than taking adderall

[Pretzelle]

Lol dude smoking crack is worse than taking adderall

Why? Why is one drug worse than the other? Adderall is amphetamine (speed on the street before they just started giving them out like Pez). Crack is just free base cocaine.

[kjs86z]

Oh cool I didnt know he played on the red server

lmfao posts like this is why we need a "thumbs up / like" button here


also:

https://i.imgur.com/MLmStGE.jpeg

[FatherSioux]

Why? Why is one drug worse than the other? Adderall is amphetamine (speed on the street before they just started giving them out like Pez). Crack is just free base cocaine.

[kjs86z]

https://i.imgur.com/LGBne1K.jpeg

[BlackBellamy]

Why? Why is one drug worse than the other? Adderall is amphetamine (speed on the street before they just started giving them out like Pez). Crack is just free base cocaine.

Well when I smoked marijuana I sat down and watched David Lynch's Dune and turned up the parts where Toto really goes nuts with the guitars.

Marijuana Threat Rating = Negligable

When I smoked angel dust I took all my clothes off and pumped myself up by running up and down the stairs in my house and then I took my friend's guitar and threw it out the fucking window, right through the glass into the driveway.

Angel Dust Threat Rating = Severe

[FatherSioux]

Pretzels are such a terrible snack choice. I can’t imagine choosing them over anything else.

[hobart]

When I smoked angel dust I took all my clothes off and pumped myself up by running up and down the stairs in my house and then I took my friend's guitar and threw it out the fucking window, right through the glass into the driveway.

Angel Dust Threat Rating = Severe

And this is why your dad, a totally different human being, should never be President. Makes perfect sense? Well, there's also Hillary's emails. So, two good reasons.

[Woke Locc]

Did you guys know bin Laden isn't dead? My sister just told me!

Wow!

[strongNpretty]

Pretzels are such a terrible snack choice. I can’t imagine choosing them over anything else.

Mostly agree.. There are a few exceptions.

1- dipping your pretzels in ranch.. cause ranch.....
2- Those Rold Gold Cheddar flavored pretzels are actually pretty fuckin delish.
3- Reminder that I mostly agree with you :)

[kjs86z]

Mostly agree.. There are a few exceptions.

1- dipping your pretzels in ranch.. cause ranch.....
2- Those Rold Gold Cheddar flavored pretzels are actually pretty fuckin delish.
3- Reminder that I mostly agree with you :)

idk man those snyders honey mustard and onion "pieces" are pretty darn tasty after a couple beers

pure garbage snacking but when in rome ya dig

[Donkey Hotay]

Peanut butter-filled pretzel nuggets from Costco are surprisingly good.

[Jibartik]

serious question, did they not vet biden since 2008 lol this is exactly like that HBO sara palin movie (https://youtu.be/x2uWi4aMsgA?t=143).

[Jibartik]

Mostly agree.. There are a few exceptions.

1- dipping your pretzels in ranch.. cause ranch.....
2- Those Rold Gold Cheddar flavored pretzels are actually pretty fuckin delish.
3- Reminder that I mostly agree with you :)

jar of penut butter goes a long way with a bag of pretzels too!

[Jibartik]

Well when I smoked marijuana I sat down and watched David Lynch's Dune and turned up the parts where Toto really goes nuts with the guitars.

Marijuana Threat Rating = Negligable

When I smoked angel dust I took all my clothes off and pumped myself up by running up and down the stairs in my house and then I took my friend's guitar and threw it out the fucking window, right through the glass into the driveway.

Angel Dust Threat Rating = Severe

and if that's not enough there's https://youtu.be/a751t97gR0Q

[Pretzelle]

Well when I smoked marijuana I sat down and watched David Lynch's Dune and turned up the parts where Toto really goes nuts with the guitars.

Marijuana Threat Rating = Negligable

When I smoked angel dust I took all my clothes off and pumped myself up by running up and down the stairs in my house and then I took my friend's guitar and threw it out the fucking window, right through the glass into the driveway.

Angel Dust Threat Rating = Severe
Doesn't explain why amphetamines are any less "bad" than cocaine.

[strongNpretty]

jar of penut butter goes a long way with a bag of pretzels too!

You will kill every pot head with cotton mouth suggesting this snack collabo Jib...….

[FatherSioux]

I didn’t clarify but plain pretzels are what draw my animus for them. The responses here prove that stance, only good if you envelope them in sugar or fat.

[strongNpretty]

I didn’t clarify but plain pretzels are what draw my animus for them. The responses here prove that stance, only good if you envelope them in sugar or fat.

Truth

[kjs86z]

I didn’t clarify but plain pretzels are what draw my animus for them. The responses here prove that stance, only good if you envelope them in sugar AND fat.

fixT

[Fame]

I looked into that censorship thing a bit more. Seems pretty clear to me. The people need to seize these private business and subject them to the will of big government. As a patriot though, I cannot support this. Maybe setting up your own social media platforms would be a more American option?

Am I missing anything?

[Jibartik]

You will kill every pot head with cotton mouth suggesting this snack collabo Jib...….

its a snack that sticks to yer ribs tho!

[strongNpretty]

its a snack that sticks to yer ribs tho!

Look I can't have you taking out all the local potheads. They payin heeeeeella taxes up here in Washington. We need them haha...

[Jibartik]

Its great when you're eqing so hard u forgot to make a dinner :p

[charmcitysking]

Why? Why is one drug worse than the other? Adderall is amphetamine (speed on the street before they just started giving them out like Pez). Crack is just free base cocaine.

Honestly can’t tell if this is troll or not

[charmcitysking]

Pretzels are such a terrible snack choice. I can’t imagine choosing them over anything else.

These pretzels are making me thirsty

[Pretzelle]

Honestly can’t tell if this is troll or not

Still not sure how cocaine is any more/less bad than amphetamines. Nobody is willing to say why they believe them to be.

[FatherSioux]

Still not sure how cocaine is any more/less bad than amphetamines. Nobody is willing to say why they believe them to be.

Because poor people smoke crack and rich folks choose cocaine. Is that the answer you were hoping for?

[Pretzelle]

Because poor people smoke crack and rich folks choose cocaine. Is that the answer you were hoping for?

Not at all. Just curious why you choose to demonize someone smoking crack while knowing your president/cult leader and his son(s) are also abusing drugs.

[BlackBellamy]

Doesn't explain why amphetamines are any less "bad" than cocaine.

Here is why: https://www.nature.com/articles/1300536.pdf?origin=ppub

In summary, whereas 10 mg/kg COC induced considerable individual variability in locomotor activation suggestive of two subpopulations, the variability observed with
AMPH (1, 0.5, and 5 mg/kg) was not as pronounced.

I'll summarize the entire article in a language everyone can understand:

"When we gave these here rats a bunch of cocaine, they all went nuts! Each one doing their own thing! And when we gave them the meth, they all went nuts too, but together!"

This is why we give soldiers amphetamines and not cocaine.

[Pretzelle]

Here is why: https://www.nature.com/articles/1300536.pdf?origin=ppub



I'll summarize the entire article in a language everyone can understand:

"When we gave these here rats a bunch of cocaine, they all went nuts! Each one doing their own thing! And when we gave them the meth, they all went nuts too, but together!"

This is why we give soldiers amphetamines and not cocaine.

So you're okay with the Trumps doing coke but not Hunter Biden?

[Donkey Hotay]

Pretzelle = Horza.

[Raev]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN7s0-FuIEM

It's scary how accurately this describes Off Topic.

[Jibartik]

I wish there was a video of one of the candidates kids climbing out of a closed window.

[Jibartik]

God I love being an American lol

[kjs86z]

https://youtu.be/q-8v2tPUZOY

lmfao

[charmcitysking]

Freebasing cocaine is much, much stronger and much, much more addictive than taking adderall. They are both stimulant narcotics, yes, but they are not even in the same ball park in terms of their potency and addictive properties.

A comparison with alcohol would be like drinking two or three beers (taking an adderall) and literally chugging a 5th of vodka to the face (smoking crack cocaine). This is not an exaggeration and it’s why crack cocaine is an illegal class A felony possession drug in every state in America and the other is prescribed medicine taken by middle school children.

I understand you probably don’t do hard drugs, or any drugs for that matter, but if you don’t know the difference between crack cocaine and adderall you need to seriously educate yourself.

[kjs86z]

Also realistic representation of how a left vs right bout would go:

https://youtu.be/-BViV-fZIck

[BlackBellamy]

So you're okay with the Trumps doing coke but not Hunter Biden?

No you're ok with the Trumps doing coke but not Hunter Biden. You specifically said that before!

[Pretzelle]

Pretzelle = Horza.

Negative, Ghost Rider.

[Pretzelle]

Freebasing cocaine is much, much stronger and much, much more addictive than taking adderall. They are both stimulant narcotics, yes, but they are not even in the same ball park in terms of their potency and addictive properties.

A comparison with alcohol would be like drinking two or three beers (taking an adderall) and literally chugging a 5th of vodka to the face (smoking crack cocaine). This is not an exaggeration and it’s why crack cocaine is an illegal class A felony possession drug in every state in America and the other is prescribed medicine taken by middle school children.

I understand you probably don’t do hard drugs, or any drugs for that matter, but if you don’t know the difference between crack cocaine and adderall you need to seriously educate yourself.
The difference in potency and effect between powder cocaine and crack cocaine is very minimal or non-existent. It's a racial and socioeconomic divide in perception, policy, and sentencing.

"taking an adderall" as prescribed is completely different than abusing it at high doses.

[strongNpretty]

Negative, Ghost Rider.

Why can't I have a name like Johnny Blaze man.... Robert Oberst just doesn't have the same ring.....

[FatherSioux]

Also realistic representation of how a left vs right bout would go:

https://youtu.be/-BViV-fZIck

The left picking a fight with the crowd that prides itself on gun ownership and independence showcases their break from reality.

[Pretzelle]

The left picking a fight with the crowd that prides itself on gun ownership and independence showcases their break from reality.

Why does the "right" have a fetish about murdering other Americans? :confused:

[FatherSioux]

They don’t and no serious person believes that. The left is the violent side of the spectrum. Left leaning ideologies dominate the global kill count list.

[charmcitysking]

The difference in potency and effect between powder cocaine and crack cocaine is very minimal or non-existent.


No - you are very, very wrong here. You’ve clearly never done these drugs or been around or spoken to anyone who has, so you should just let this one go. Stick to the politics and pixels lad.

[Pretzelle]

No - you are very, very wrong here. You’ve clearly never done these drugs or been around or spoken to anyone who has, so you should just let this one go. Stick to the politics and pixels lad.

There are no pharmacological differences between powder cocaine and crack cocaine. This means that, chemically, they are nearly identical and hence, produce similar results. The only difference is the method of consumption and the rate of absorption. Both are similarly adulterated with impurities.

[Pretzelle]

They don’t and no serious person believes that. The left is the violent side of the spectrum. Left leaning ideologies dominate the global kill count list.

You literally just got a murderboner typing out that the left likes to pick a fight with gun toting hillbillies.

[BlackBellamy]

No - you are very, very wrong here. You’ve clearly never done these drugs or been around or spoken to anyone who has, so you should just let this one go. Stick to the politics and pixels lad.

Yeah when someone says stuff like that it's just either ignorance or lies.

His argument that "the difference in potency and effect between powder cocaine and crack cocaine is very minimal or non-existent." is completely destroyed by economics.

Cocaine and crack cost exactly the same so why does crack cocaine exist? Why take cocaine and add labor to it and turn it into something that costs the same and has no difference in potency and effect?

Oh. Maybe because the opposite is true; that it has potency and effect that makes it different and appealing enough for a separate market to exist for it aside from the precursor product.

[BlackBellamy]

There are no pharmacological differences between powder cocaine and crack cocaine. This means that, chemically, they are nearly identical and hence, produce similar results. The only difference is the method of consumption and the rate of absorption. Both are similarly adulterated with impurities.

Lol seriously? did you just google that there are no "pharmacological differences between powder cocaine and crack cocaine" and that according to your fedora logic they must therefore "produce similar results"

lol you have never seen a crack guy doing crack right?

[Pretzelle]

https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/cocainefacts_august_2018_1.pdf

[Pretzelle]

Lol seriously? did you just google that there are no "pharmacological differences between powder cocaine and crack cocaine" and that according to your fedora logic they must therefore "produce similar results"

lol you have never seen a crack guy doing crack right?

a crack guy are you really that simple?

[charmcitysking]

There are no pharmacological differences between powder cocaine and crack cocaine. This means that, chemically, they are nearly identical and hence, produce similar results. The only difference is the method of consumption and the rate of absorption. Both are similarly adulterated with impurities.

Dude - I’m glad you were able to go to google the difference between powder and rock coke and copy and paste something from the first medical website you came across. That’s really great.

But an hour ago you couldn’t tell me the difference between adderall and freebase; now you’re an expert on cocaine pharmacology and a quasi drug-sociologist to boot. If you want the last word here, go for it - I’m done with this one. But you’re really not fooling anyone.

[Pretzelle]

Dude - I’m glad you were able to go to google the difference between powder and rock coke and copy and paste something from the first medical website you came across. That’s really great.

But an hour ago you couldn’t tell me the difference between adderall and freebase; now you’re an expert on cocaine pharmacology and a quasi drug-sociologist to boot. If you want the last word here, go for it - I’m done with this one. But you’re really not fooling anyone.

You're awfully aggressive for someone who assumes a whole lot.

[Pretzelle]

Myth: Crack cocaine is more dangerous or more addictive than powder cocaine.
Fact: These two substances are actually almost chemically identical. It has been long observed in research that the differences between crack cocaine and powder cocaine are minor, and the difference in the manner in which both substances are normally taken is responsible for this myth. Similarly, mixing powder cocaine in water and injecting it results in a quicker onset of the psychoactive effects, more intense effects, and a shorter duration of these effects. Individuals who snort powder cocaine get essentially same psychoactive effects as individuals who smoke crack; however, smoking the drug, whether in powder form or as crack, results in the intensity of the psychoactive effects being perceived as more powerful and the effects wearing off more quickly. The difference is due to the way the drug is taken (smoked or injected versus snorted) and not due to the chemical composition of different forms of cocaine. Because individuals who smoke drugs like cocaine often experience the effects as being very strong and short-lived, they may be more likely to binge on the drug to maintain the psychoactive effects, but again, this is due more to the method of administration and not to chemical differences in the forms of cocaine.

[Pretzelle]

Trump celebrates murdering a suspect rather than arresting him (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-us-marshals-kill-antifa-michael-reinoehl-b1055845.html)

Can't wait for more extrajudicial state sponsored killings!

[Woke Locc]

Trump celebrates murdering a suspect rather than arresting him (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-us-marshals-kill-antifa-michael-reinoehl-b1055845.html)

Can't wait for more extrajudicial state sponsored killings!

That dude needed to get got though. The posse was fully within their license to put him down.

ARMED AND DANGEROUS!

[Raev]

I call this work 'how to be wrong on multiple levels' featuring Pretzelle.

Is this any worse than Trump's adderall addiction? Or Jr's coke habit?

I googled around a bit and both of these are totally unsubstantiated rumors based on minimal evidence: DJT sniffing a lot during one press conference and Jr having 'wide eyes' during the RNC. At any rate, it was promptly pointed out that adderall is prescribed to kids while possession of cocaine is a felony. Therefore, a new line of rhetoric was attempted:


So you're okay with the Trumps doing coke but not Hunter Biden?
Now the unsubstantiated rumors have become fact and we have both Trumps doing coke and the question is posed whether Hunter's 'crack' usage is somehow worse than normal cocaine usage.

Individuals who snort powder cocaine get essentially same psychoactive effects as individuals who smoke crack; however, smoking the drug, whether in powder form or as crack, results in the intensity of the psychoactive effects being perceived as more powerful and the effects wearing off more quickly.
20 seconds of googling later, he completes the hat trick of futility by quoting a site that directly suggests that crack is 'higher for shorter', making it a stronger drug.

Look, I realize that logic is a dry and dusty subject. But this is why I linked How the Left and Right debate (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN7s0-FuIEM) earlier. Please understand that these responses are not accidental. As the random forum tool Pretzelle dances on the stage, behind the curtain his strings are being pulled by PhDs in psychology. And this isn't some sort of conspiracy theory: we call them Public Relations. Every company has a group of people they pay purely to manipulate your opinion! It will continue until we learn to see through this nonsense.

[Pretzelle]

I call this work 'how to be wrong on multiple levels' featuring Pretzelle.



I googled around a bit and both of these are totally unsubstantiated rumors based on minimal evidence: DJT sniffing a lot during one press conference and Jr having 'wide eyes' during the RNC. At any rate, it was promptly pointed out that adderall is prescribed to kids while possession of cocaine is a felony. Therefore, a new line of rhetoric was attempted:


Now the unsubstantiated rumors have become fact and we have both Trumps doing coke and the question is posed whether Hunter's 'crack' usage is somehow worse than normal cocaine usage.


20 seconds of googling later, he completes the hat trick of futility by quoting a site that directly suggests that crack is 'higher for shorter', making it a stronger drug.

Look, I realize that logic is a dry and dusty subject. But this is why I linked How the Left and Right debate (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN7s0-FuIEM) earlier. Please understand that these responses are not accidental. As the random forum tool Pretzelle dances on the stage, behind the curtain his strings are being pulled by PhDs in psychology. And this isn't some sort of conspiracy theory: we call them Public Relations. Every company has a group of people they pay purely to manipulate your opinion! It will continue until we learn to see through this nonsense.

Thanks, police man.

Trumps are on blow.

You've repeatedly proved you don't care about upholding the law. What are you going to do when Trump loses? Kill some leftists and say it was self defense?

[hobart]

But this is why I linked How the Left and Right debate (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN7s0-FuIEM) earlier. Please understand that these responses are not accidental.

That video is funny, but inherently flaw.

While the illiberal left and magatards are two ends of the same horseshoe, the
candidates themselves are not even remotely equally qualified and/or equally flawed.

False equivalence.

Also, Hillary's emails and Comet Ping Pong. Do your own research.

[Raev]

typical idiocy

Do you really not understand that the more nonsense you type the more people write you off as a clueless tool?

[Pretzelle]

Do you really not understand that the more nonsense you type the more people write you off as a clueless tool?

Aww, I'm sorry I've upset you. Go beat some protesters/minorities. It'll make you feel better. :o

[FatherSioux]

That video is funny, but inherently flaw.

While the illiberal left and magatards are two ends of the same horseshoe, the
candidates themselves are not even remotely equally qualified and/or equally flawed.

False equivalence.

Also, Hillary's emails and Comet Ping Pong. Do your own research.

The political spectrum is a ring, not a horseshoe.

[Raev]

While the illiberal left and magatards are two ends of the same horseshoe, the
candidates themselves are not even remotely equally qualified and/or equally flawed.

The qualifications of the candidates are irrelevant! The only purpose of politicians is to divert the negative emotional energy that people feel towards their incompetent parasitic government away from the actual rulers, whoever they are. When things go wrong the angry public can then throw out the bums and elect a new set who mysteriously happen to support the same policies.

Think about this: all Democrats have to do to win the Presidency back is point out that Trump has not drained the swamp even one iota. They are not making this play because their whole purpose is to run cover for this fact.

[Raev]

Aww, I'm sorry I've upset you. Go beat some protesters/minorities. It'll make you feel better. :o

'u mad bro' only works on people who write angry posts. I'm not mad at you; I'm just trying to help other people understand the nature of logical fallacies in the hope they can cut through the fog of propaganda that currently covers the world. And you'll simply have to accept me pointing out your numerous logical errors until such time as you decide stop trying to project your negative feelings for Americans over the Internet.

[galach]

Trump was asked about Qanon. He wouldn't say that the democrats weren't Satanic worshipping pedophiles.

[Danth]

I'm just trying to help other people understand the nature of logical fallacies in the hope they can cut through the fog of propaganda that currently covers the world.

It's a noble gesture, but ultimately a fruitless one. "Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth" is not an ancient notion for no reason. Humans seem to have some sort of ingrained instinct to favor desirable lies over unwanted truth. It's exhibit A as to why the nation routinely elects brazen liars into political office. Truman was probably the most personally honest POTUS of the 20th century and he got into office as an unwanted accident, stuffed into the VP job so as to get him and his annoying (read: effective) Truman Committee out of the picture. They weren't expecting FDR to keel over when he did.


Danth

[BlackBellamy]

are you really that simple?

When I said crack guy, I really wasn't responding to you. I was using those words for people reading this exchange who have been around and can tell a pothead from a junkie from a cokehead from a crack...enthusiast.

I assume your posts are bad faith/intentional trolling so I respond for other's benefit and/or amusement.

[Kintronics]

Can we rename P99 servers from Blue/Red/Green to Biden/Trump/Howie Hawkins because you know, current events?

[kaizersoze]

no

[Pretzelle]

The contrast between these town halls is insane. Trump is embarrassing himself. It's hilarious.

[Woke Locc]

Voting for the Greens is le epic troll XD

I highly recommend it if you don't live in a swing state!

[Jibartik]

YouTube viewers 160k trump 12k Biden :cringe emoji:

[Jibartik]

lol
"what did you mean by tweeting about osama bin laddens death being fake?"

"that was a retweet I dont know what it is what I meant by that retweet is america is great"

[Jibartik]

If I took a drink every time trump defends something he says is true because "its in the news", I'd look like hunter biden in a bathtub, and yet this guy says the news is fake every other day this is an awesome season of earth.

[peterpal]

The most revered science magazines decided it's enough with the anti-science and alternative facts to endorse Biden:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden1/
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02852-x
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6510/1409

[White_knight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PILm-I5Z84M

"Imagine voting for Biden just because you don't like Trump."

[FatherSioux]

From the science piece "When President Donald Trump began talking to the public about coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in February and March, scientists were stunned at his seeming lack of understanding of the threat."

Right, because all of them had a firm grasp on the science at that time.

[Castle2.0]

I've been having issues logging into EQ using my laptop. I figured there's too many emails, photos, videos, etc, but I can't delete these precious memories.

Looking for cheap, reliable, and most important, confidential. Appreciate the recommendations.

Thanks in advance!

[Mota]

Imagine believing conspiracies when they involve evil leftists but not thinking this laptop is fishy. Maybe the DOJ should do something but I guess they're getting obstructed by the deep state or some shit.

[FatherSioux]

Imagine believing conspiracies when they involve evil leftists but not thinking this laptop is fishy. Maybe the DOJ should do something but I guess they're getting obstructed by the deep state or some shit.

You realize the entire Russia investigation was founded on fishy information right? Or how about the most recent Trump tax returns mysteriously leaked. How about the story that Trump called veterans losers? None of those stories were treated like this Hunter Biden story.

If you can’t see the issue here you’re fooling yourself.

[Tunabros]

Can we rename P99 servers from Blue/Red/Green to Biden/Trump/Howie Hawkins because you know, current events?

uhhhhh no

[Skarne]

Rofl the guy is asking for laptop repair shop recommendations how did it get to this!?

[Tunabros]

Search computer shop repairs near me on your phone
be sure to turn location on
hope that helps

[Swish]

...and most important, confidential.

There's no shame in being a nerd for a 21 year old elf sim, wear it.

[Patriam1066]

Trump knew back then, so did the CDC. He’s just politicized this the whole way through thinking he could get lucky and keep the stock market afloat, and it wouldn’t reach America

Sadly, he was obviously wrong because he doesn’t understand enough science to figure out how a respiratory pandemic would spread. More importantly, he could’ve simply been a leader to the american people. “I know it’s hard to do something out of fear as an American, but we really don’t know how bad this will be yet and so I ask you, my fellow countrymen, to wear a mask and do your utmost to protect your family.”

That’s all it would’ve took. But instead, in the first era of human existence where we had the capability to fight a pandemic, we didn’t. And many of you still refuse to even acknowledge the efficacy of a mask. Which isn’t the point. The point is it would’ve made half of your neighbors and friends more comfortable to do it (meaning the economy might be in better shape) but you couldn’t, because somewhere along the way you guys really lost Jesus Christ. I hope you find him again.
PS: Donald trump is obese

[douglas1999]

It's such a perfectly designed (not saying it's engineered calm down) disease for political exploitation by literally anybody. It's super deadly, it's not super deadly, there is a significant percentage of both false positive and false negative testing, you can have it and be completely asymptomatic but still spread it, you can not actually have it and get a false positive test and think that you're one of the asymptomatic carriers who is now cryptonite to grandma. It's a big bucket of fun for all!

[BarnabusCollins]

To be near Me is to be near the fire.

[charmcitysking]

To be near Me is to be near the fire.

Life is not tried it is merely survived
If you're standing outside the fire

[charmcitysking]

LOL

[Swish]

He who hesitates, is lost.

[FatherSioux]

Trump knew back then, so did the CDC. He’s just politicized this the whole way through thinking he could get lucky and keep the stock market afloat, and it wouldn’t reach America

Sadly, he was obviously wrong because he doesn’t understand enough science to figure out how a respiratory pandemic would spread. More importantly, he could’ve simply been a leader to the american people. “I know it’s hard to do something out of fear as an American, but we really don’t know how bad this will be yet and so I ask you, my fellow countrymen, to wear a mask and do your utmost to protect your family.”

That’s all it would’ve took. But instead, in the first era of human existence where we had the capability to fight a pandemic, we didn’t. And many of you still refuse to even acknowledge the efficacy of a mask. Which isn’t the point. The point is it would’ve made half of your neighbors and friends more comfortable to do it (meaning the economy might be in better shape) but you couldn’t, because somewhere along the way you guys really lost Jesus Christ. I hope you find him again.
PS: Donald trump is obese

Please share what you think he knew. Also share what other nations did to combat this that is so much better?

[Raev]

Trump was asked about Qanon. He wouldn't say that the democrats weren't Satanic worshipping pedophiles.

That's because they are (of course, so are the Republicans). Have you read the list of politicians connected to Epstein (http://stateofthenation.co/?p=24136)? And those are only the ones we know about! Satanists and pedophiles are perfect candidates for middle management: they are willing to mercilessly oppress the general population and they can be easily blackmailed.

Humans seem to have some sort of ingrained instinct to favor desirable lies over unwanted truth

Exactly! By the way, this isn't just some other person's problem. There were about 6 months in 2019 where I really thought Q was legit. This is the problem with psychology PhDs: they can weave a very convincing story! After all, the Democrats are satanists and pedophiles. The media does constantly attack Trump. But at this point I'm fairly sure Q is the NSA.

The big flaw in Q's illusion is his message: sit back and watch the show. If you think about it, only individual Americans could make America great again. Trump is an elderly, rather overweight, man. He can only ask us to do things. But the idea that he can clean up this mess without us having to get off our couches is so incredibly convenient that when combined with a bit of truth it's very persuasive.

I assume your posts are bad faith/intentional trolling so I respond for other's benefit and/or amusement.

The sad fact of the matter is that there are some 20% of Americans whose existence is totally bound up in the current state of affairs. Some of them are hopeless social services leeches. Others are part of the propaganda apparatus. Yet others are addicted to the feeling of preaching. I don't know whether Pretzelle is one of those or a random Chinese gold farmer. But these people will actively fight any sort of solution. Perhaps some sort of California quarantine . . .

The most revered science magazines decided it's enough with the anti-science and alternative facts to endorse Biden

I skimmed the first article. It is more COVID hysteria. The idea that anyone needs a plan to deal with THE FLU is ridiculous. Guess what: people do not live forever. The average American COVID victim is 75 with multiple health conditions. Their average life expectancy is some 5 years. Even if we took the doctored COVID stats at face value, 200,000 * 5 * 365 / 300000000 = 1.2, meaning that the average American has lost ONE DAY of life to COVID. Personally I think the whole thing is a complete fraud, but I don't even need to make that argument because the official narrative on COVID is that fucking stupid.

Remember Orwell's 'doublethink'? Magazines like Scientific American are actually anti science. There really isn't much difference between the average Catholic peon of the Medieval period and the average modern peon quoting 'Science' and taking his vaccines.

And many of you still refuse to even acknowledge the efficacy of a mask

That's because masks don't work (https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy). Not only are there loads of studies that prove this, but there is no logical reason why they should work, as viruses are thousands of times smaller than even N95 surgical mask holes. It's like trying to stop mosquitoes with a chain link fence.

Which isn’t the point. The point is it would’ve made half of your neighbors and friends more comfortable to do it
Ah yes, if your neighbor is jumping off a cliff you should follow him like a good little lemming. Besides, doesn't this argument work just as well in the other direction?

Gatmanno really nailed it when he said you worship Mammon. You're a lot less obvious than Pretzelle.

[Castle2.0]

Rofl the guy is asking for laptop repair shop recommendations how did it get to this!? Exactly. These people need to take their conspiracy political nonsense back to the only thread it is allowed to exist in.

There's no shame in being a nerd for a 21 year old elf sim, wear it. My father is a powerful man. I cannot let the world know.

[FatherSioux]

Exactly. These people need to take their conspiracy political nonsense back to the only thread it is allowed to exist in.

My father is a powerful man. I cannot let the world know.

Does your father have any signs of cognitive decline? Asking for a friend

[charmcitysking]

Rofl the guy is asking for laptop repair shop recommendations how did it get to this!?

It's a reference to Hunter Biden (Joe Biden's son), who recently brought his computer in for repair and had a number of images of himself engaging in illegal activity.

[BlackBellamy]

The most revered science magazines decided it's enough with the anti-science and alternative facts to endorse Biden:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden1/
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02852-x
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6510/1409

That is why we urge you to vote for Joe Biden, who is offering fact-based plans to protect our health, our economy and the environment. These and other proposals he has put forth can set the country back on course for a safer, more prosperous and more equitable future.

“COVID has taken this year, just since the outbreak, has taken more than 100 years. Look … the lives, it’s just … when you think about it, more lives this year than any other year for the past hundred years.” -- Joe Biden

“It’s estimated that 200 million people will die, probably by the time I finish this talk.” -- Joe Biden

Joe Biden didn't offer his "fact-based" plan until four weeks after Trump and the administration released theirs. Joe Biden called Trump's China travel ban, 'xenophobic' the day after it was announced.

The only thing those 'endorsements' prove is that the liberal rot is well-entrenched in those institutions that those 'revered' magazines hire from.

No one respects or reveres scientists who campaign for politicians.

[Woke Locc]

Joe Biden called Trump's China travel ban, 'xenophobic' the day after it was announced.


Here is the beef you ordered.

https://i.imgur.com/hlQqyc0.png

[BlackBellamy]

Imagine believing conspiracies when they involve evil leftists but not thinking this laptop is fishy.

Who's doing that? Are you responding to someone in particular or are you making a man of straw?

Is there someone here who is like I believe all that Qanon shit and everything else but god forbid someone should question Rudy? Or is that something you believe about anyone daring to bring up Joe Biden's obvious corruption?

[BlackBellamy]

Here is the beef you ordered.

https://i.imgur.com/hlQqyc0.png

Yup, posted like two seconds after Trump announced the China travel ban.

[Patriam1066]

That's because they are (of course, so are the Republicans). Have you read the list of politicians connected to Epstein (http://stateofthenation.co/?p=24136)? And those are only the ones we know about! Satanists and pedophiles are perfect candidates for middle management: they are willing to mercilessly oppress the general population and they can be easily blackmailed.



Exactly! By the way, this isn't just some other person's problem. There were about 6 months in 2019 where I really thought Q was legit. This is the problem with psychology PhDs: they can weave a very convincing story! After all, the Democrats are satanists and pedophiles. The media does constantly attack Trump. But at this point I'm fairly sure Q is the NSA.

The big flaw in Q's illusion is his message: sit back and watch the show. If you think about it, only individual Americans could make America great again. Trump is an elderly, rather overweight, man. He can only ask us to do things. But the idea that he can clean up this mess without us having to get off our couches is so incredibly convenient that when combined with a bit of truth it's very persuasive.



The sad fact of the matter is that there are some 20% of Americans whose existence is totally bound up in the current state of affairs. Some of them are hopeless social services leeches. Others are part of the propaganda apparatus. Yet others are addicted to the feeling of preaching. I don't know whether Pretzelle is one of those or a random Chinese gold farmer. But these people will actively fight any sort of solution. Perhaps some sort of California quarantine . . .



I skimmed the first article. It is more COVID hysteria. The idea that anyone needs a plan to deal with THE FLU is ridiculous. Guess what: people do not live forever. The average American COVID victim is 75 with multiple health conditions. Their average life expectancy is some 5 years. Even if we took the doctored COVID stats at face value, 200,000 * 5 * 365 / 300000000 = 1.2, meaning that the average American has lost ONE DAY of life to COVID. Personally I think the whole thing is a complete fraud, but I don't even need to make that argument because the official narrative on COVID is that fucking stupid.

Remember Orwell's 'doublethink'? Magazines like Scientific American are actually anti science. There really isn't much difference between the average Catholic peon of the Medieval period and the average modern peon quoting 'Science' and taking his vaccines.



That's because masks don't work (https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy). Not only are there loads of studies that prove this, but there is no logical reason why they should work, as viruses are thousands of times smaller than even N95 surgical mask holes. It's like trying to stop mosquitoes with a chain link fence.


Ah yes, if your neighbor is jumping off a cliff you should follow him like a good little lemming. Besides, doesn't this argument work just as well in the other direction?

Gatmanno really nailed it when he said you worship Mammon. You're a lot less obvious than Pretzelle.

Zodium is a Marxist who has extolled the virtues of mao killing the landlords in China. And I worship mammon?

The point is that people don’t have confidence in going out because they’re afraid. Leadership might’ve mitigated that. Procedures for minimizing infection certainly would’ve. China, Taiwan, Japan, and Korea are open for business

We should be too, but rednecks won’t wear masks for their country. SAD!

[Woke Locc]

Or is that something you believe about anyone daring to bring up Joe Biden's obvious corruption?

I may have met him once at an event. I meet lots of people.

I may have met him once at an event. Lots of people have had their picture taken with me.

I may have met him once about a real estate deal. I meet with lots of people.

He was briefly involved in a business deal I was looking at. I barely knew him and only met with him once or twice.

I meet lots of people. I’ve to[?]. I am the president of the nation.

[Mblake81]

We should be too, but rednecks won’t wear masks for their country. SAD!

Take that, shape it into a nice cone shape.. then sit on it.

[BlackBellamy]

The point is that people don’t have confidence in going out because they’re afraid. Leadership might’ve mitigated that. Procedures for minimizing infection certainly would’ve. China, Taiwan, Japan, and Korea are open for business

We should be too, but rednecks won’t wear masks for their country. SAD!

I wouldn't compare US to Asia. The cultures and peoples couldn't possibly be more different. Compare US to EU instead.

Effects of lockdown compliance (including virtue-signaling but nearly-useless measures like mask-wearing for the healthy):

https://imgur.com/8e6gtTN.jpg

So let's look back.

Coronavirus comes on strong in March and April. Both EU and US announce lockdown measures. The Europeans comply like the good order-followers they are. The US, not so much since we have a system where every governor gets to ignore any federal orders as they please. Some states like New York and New Jersey imprison everyone inside but other states are defiant.

So June comes and the EU folks are all locked down and the US people are starting to really get tired of it and start breaking the rules even more. The US infection rate spikes...then starts to go lower at precisely the same time the EU rate starts to go up. That's weird right? Like the EU has been following the rules completely!

Then in September the lines nearly meet, then they both start trending up because the weather is getting colder and the traditional flu season is just around the corner. But the US rate is much lower and also not trending at the same rate. What is going on? Why are the non-mask wearing rule-breaking Americans doing better than the Europeans?

[charmcitysking]

We should be too, but rednecks won’t wear masks for their country. SAD!

I guess you missed those images and recordings of Nancy Pelosi, Andrew Cuomo and Jim Acosta all strutting around in public without their masks on.

I'm sure that's Trump's fault somehow too!

[Pretzelle]

I wouldn't compare US to Asia. The cultures and peoples couldn't possibly be more different. Compare US to EU instead.

Effects of lockdown compliance (including virtue-signaling but nearly-useless measures like mask-wearing for the healthy):

https://imgur.com/8e6gtTN.jpg

So let's look back.

Coronavirus comes on strong in March and April. Both EU and US announce lockdown measures. The Europeans comply like the good order-followers they are. The US, not so much since we have a system where every governor gets to ignore any federal orders as they please. Some states like New York and New Jersey imprison everyone inside but other states are defiant.

So June comes and the EU folks are all locked down and the US people are starting to really get tired of it and start breaking the rules even more. The US infection rate spikes...then starts to go lower at precisely the same time the EU rate starts to go up. That's weird right? Like the EU has been following the rules completely!

Then in September the lines nearly meet, then they both start trending up because the weather is getting colder and the traditional flu season is just around the corner. But the US rate is much lower and also not trending at the same rate. What is going on? Why are the non-mask wearing rule-breaking Americans doing better than the Europeans?

Which individual EU countries are experiencing the largest increases in Covid diagnoses?

[charmcitysking]

Which individual EU countries are experiencing the largest increases in Covid diagnoses?

Confirmed Ireland - we had 1,200 cases yesterday (quite high for our population and more than we've had at any point during the pandemic.

France had 80,000 in one day this week (Monday or Tuesday I believe).

EU is a mess right now.

[FatherSioux]

The point is that people don’t have confidence in going out because they’re afraid. Leadership might’ve mitigated that. Procedures for minimizing infection certainly would’ve. China, Taiwan, Japan, and Korea are open for business

We should be too, but rednecks won’t wear masks for their country. SAD!

People are afraid because they're being told this is worse than it is. More importantly they are being told they can actually have a meaningful impact on it's spread. The data does not show this. I'm certainly afraid of car accidents but it doesn't mean I sell my car and weld myself in my home. Life has risks.

[FatherSioux]

Confirmed Ireland - we had 1,200 cases yesterday (quite high for our population and more than we've had at any point during the pandemic.

France had 80,000 in one day this week (Monday or Tuesday I believe).

EU is a mess right now.

The truth is stacking up to one simple fact. No one knew how to handle this in February. They don't know how to handle it today. People need to quit pretending that we can actually impact the natural course of this.

[Mota]

I wouldn't compare US to Asia. The cultures and peoples couldn't possibly be more different. Compare US to EU instead.

Effects of lockdown compliance (including virtue-signaling but nearly-useless measures like mask-wearing for the healthy):

https://imgur.com/8e6gtTN.jpg

So let's look back.

Coronavirus comes on strong in March and April. Both EU and US announce lockdown measures. The Europeans comply like the good order-followers they are. The US, not so much since we have a system where every governor gets to ignore any federal orders as they please. Some states like New York and New Jersey imprison everyone inside but other states are defiant.

So June comes and the EU folks are all locked down and the US people are starting to really get tired of it and start breaking the rules even more. The US infection rate spikes...then starts to go lower at precisely the same time the EU rate starts to go up. That's weird right? Like the EU has been following the rules completely!

Then in September the lines nearly meet, then they both start trending up because the weather is getting colder and the traditional flu season is just around the corner. But the US rate is much lower and also not trending at the same rate. What is going on? Why are the non-mask wearing rule-breaking Americans doing better than the Europeans?

Put strong restrictions in place, do better than US. Lesson restrictions, EU gets as bad as US. Is this suppose to be revelatory? Not to mention the US and EU aren't monoliths but a patchwork of responses. My state is has some of the lowest rates in the US, we're doing a really good job keeping cases down and are about half the US per capita rate. Germany's numbers are about 1/3 of my state and makes us look like we have no clue what the fuck we're doing. But EU bad right?

[Mota]

People need to quit pretending that we can actually impact the natural course of this.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[BlackBellamy]

Is this suppose to be revelatory?

I'm just saying there we were, and here we are. The EU as a whole definitely locked down earlier and harder and for longer and more consistently than the US and what difference did it make today? At this moment?

But EU bad right?

Future people will decide whether we did good or bad ultimately or who did worse. Many years from now statisticians will be able to pour through all the records and maybe declare that for every 1 person we saved from a severe respiratory infection we condemned 1 person to die from suicide, 1 person to die from hunger, and 1 person to die from untreated medical conditions and we also collectively lowered the IQ of the entire world by 5 points due to lack of proper schooling.

Boy are we going to look motherfucking stupendously stupid then. If they say that, that is. We'll know later - we don't know shit now.

[BlackBellamy]

Imagine believing conspiracies when they involve evil leftists but not thinking this laptop is fishy.


responded before but also..

Guiliani was on Crowder's podcast https://www.facebook.com/stevencrowderofficial/videos/372240174224258

He claims Hunter Biden's lawyer contacted him regarding the drive and asked for it back. I'm not sure how much proof anyone needs that something belongs to someone when they ask to have it back because it's theirs. Rudy says he has emails from the lawyer and I mean those either are real or not and super-easy to verify because it's Hunter Biden's lawyer not Putin.

Second, and I credit Matt Taibbi, so the Russians found a hard drive with real pictures of Hunter Biden with a meth pipe -- but then they added fake emails to the drive? Like that makes sense? Really? Or they constructed the entire drive from scratch, with all the content on it, with the pornos of Hunter they already had, and the meth pictures they already had, and they added those emails to the thousands of innocent emails they also constructed?

I'm really trying, really really, to give as much credit as I can do the old and yet still-somehow-current Democrat rant that "Putin did everything!" but I'm coming up blank.

[Woke Locc]

Guiliani was on Crowder's podcast https://www.facebook.com/stevencrowderofficial/videos/372240174224258

He claims Hunter Biden's lawyer contacted him regarding the drive and asked for it back. I'm not sure how much proof anyone needs that something belongs to someone when they ask to have it back because it's theirs. Rudy says he has emails from the lawyer and I mean those either are real or not and super-easy to verify because it's Hunter Biden's lawyer not Putin.

Second, and I credit Matt Taibbi, so the Russians found a hard drive with real pictures of Hunter Biden with a meth pipe -- but then they added fake emails to the drive? Like that makes sense? Really? Or they constructed the entire drive from scratch, with all the content on it, with the pornos of Hunter they already had, and the meth pictures they already had, and they added those emails to the thousands of innocent emails they also constructed?

I'm really trying, really really, to give as much credit as I can do the old and yet still-somehow-current Democrat rant that "Putin did everything!" but I'm coming up blank.

What part is damning for the candidate?

He got an email from a Ukrainian??

[BlackBellamy]

The part where the Ukrainian guy says thanks Hunter for getting that meeting with your father when everyone remembers Joe saying he never met the guy. Also the part where Hunter tells his daughter he won't treat her like Joe treats him; making him give 50% of all the money as a kickback. There's some more where Hunter is asking a Chinese guy if the deal has changed, because as he understood it he would be getting tons of money for him and his dad and now it seemed the Chinese guy was changing the deal.

I wasn't going to mention it this early because yesterday it was only one day, but today it's been a couple of days where Biden is starting to trend downward in several key battleground states. Looks like the voters are starting to pay attention to Rudy's gambit. Twitter and FB did everyone a giant favor when they started censoring the story so that way they Streisanded it to hell and back and everyone at least knows something is going on. Good job Jack Dorsey, you fucking cretin, you helped sink Biden!

https://imgur.com/WeIwa0u.jpg
https://imgur.com/icqtHG4.jpg
https://imgur.com/zVTC2FE.jpg
https://imgur.com/u62fEQD.jpg
https://imgur.com/zl9ekgr.jpg

Look at the blue line. Look at it dip in all 5 states above. Will the dip continue? What else will Rudy reveal?

This is very exciting.

[Woke Locc]

When Russia invaded Ukraine in early 2014, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. pressed President Barack Obama to take decisive action, and fast, to make Moscow “pay in blood and money” for its aggression. The president, a Biden aide recalled, was having none of it.

Mr. Biden worked Mr. Obama during their weekly private lunches, imploring him to increase lethal aid, backing a push to ship FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank missiles to Kiev. The president flatly rejected the idea and dispatched him to the region as an emissary, cautioning him “about not overpromising to the Ukrainian government” (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/us/politics/joe-biden-ukraine.html)

[Mota]

Guiliani was on Crowder's podcast https://www.facebook.com/stevencrowderofficial/videos/372240174224258

He claims Hunter Biden's lawyer contacted him regarding the drive and asked for it back. I'm not sure how much proof anyone needs that something belongs to someone when they ask to have it back because it's theirs. Rudy says he has emails from the lawyer and I mean those either are real or not and super-easy to verify because it's Hunter Biden's lawyer not Putin.

Second, and I credit Matt Taibbi, so the Russians found a hard drive with real pictures of Hunter Biden with a meth pipe -- but then they added fake emails to the drive? Like that makes sense? Really? Or they constructed the entire drive from scratch, with all the content on it, with the pornos of Hunter they already had, and the meth pictures they already had, and they added those emails to the thousands of innocent emails they also constructed?

I'm really trying, really really, to give as much credit as I can do the old and yet still-somehow-current Democrat rant that "Putin did everything!" but I'm coming up blank.


The point is both sides have horseshit like this going on. If this is legit it's likely lots of Trump accusations are too. There's too much of this my side is correct crap. People believe the conspiracies that fit their side and ignore the ones that attack them and it's hilarious.

Like I said before, maybe DOJ should do something about it? I don't consider it fishy because I don't like Trump. I consider it fishy because the govt response was to do nothing for 10 months then whine about it. If these emails are real and the response is to bitch and whine then who gives a fuck? That means it's an inept admin who allows criminals to run free despite having evidence of crimes, or what Hunter did was legal (making him smart like Trump).

[Pretzelle]

https://i.imgur.com/4p0cMc8.png

[BlackBellamy]

In his 2014 memoir, Worthy Fights, Leon Panetta, Obama’s director of the Central Intelligence Agency at the time of the National Security Council meeting in question, wrote (on page 318) that at the meeting, “Biden argued that we still did not have enough confidence that bin Laden was in the compound, and he came out firmly in favor of waiting for more information.”

In his 2014 memoir, Duty, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that he and Biden were “the two primary skeptics” of the raid during national security team meetings that were held in March and April 2011 to debate whether to strike the compound. Gates wrote that “Biden’s primary concern was the political consequences of failure.”

During the fateful meeting in question on April 28, 2011, Gates said “Biden was against the operation.”

And in her 2014 memoir, Hard Choices, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wrote only that “Vice President Biden remained skeptical” and had “concerns about the risks of a raid.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/bidens-position-on-osama-bin-laden-raid/

He was wrong on Ukraine and he was wrong on Bin Laden.

I hate saying Obama was right about both of these but he was. Getting involved in intercine Slavic border-disputes is usually a bad idea. Everyone forgets that The Ukraine as it presently is was a construct state of the USSR and as such had it's borders determined for different considerations than 'welp we should make it like a real country in case something happens in the future'. The Crimea is not Ukrainian. It belonged to various Tatars and such and then to the Russians. Ukrainians compose 11% of the population there. Same with the Don-Bass. That's ethnic Russian.

We really need to stop trying to "destabilize" Russia by providing arms to the idiots they are trying to deal with. We should encourage Russia to stabilize it's borders and settle all disputes with it's former client states so we can all move on.

[Woke Locc]

Really super suspicious the guy who chaired the senate foreign policy committee is sending all these emails to foreign countries

I am very intelligent

[BlackBellamy]

https://i.imgur.com/4p0cMc8.png

My photoshop fantasy denies you a single elector.

https://imgur.com/w4VQN9c.jpg

[kjs86z]

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/1602864705808.gif

(why am i retarded and cannot properly embed a .gif)

[BlackBellamy]

Oh god finally Age of Empires III DEFINITE DEFINITE EDITION has finally installed. Fuck me, a SEVENTY FIVE PAGE changelog from the previous version and also the download is now 40 gigs.

But now I can stop posting here and go about getting my ass crushed in multiplayer because I forgot all the build orders or what the good cards are.

Wololo bitches!

[BlackBellamy]

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/1602864705808.gif

(why am i retarded and cannot properly embed a .gif)

You have upload the gif or other image to imgur then it will embed:

https://imgur.com/qXi97Db.gif

---> https://imgur.com/qXi97Db.gif

[kjs86z]

You have upload the gif or other image to imgur then it will embed:


hmm, I did that and imgur turned it into a .mp4

will play with this later, thank you

[BlackBellamy]

I think the difference is you have to be signed in? Like if you're not it will convert to a smaller file size I hear? So maybe that's why?

https://imgur.com/aPVohTF.jpg

[Woke Locc]

hmm, I did that and imgur turned it into a .mp4

will play with this later, thank you

Just change .mp4 to .gif in the URL bar. Might lose the play button, I do.

[kjs86z]

Just change .mp4 to .gif in the URL bar. Might lose the play button, I do.

https://i.imgur.com/apSyJ4U.gif

[Castle2.0]

I've been largely skipping this trash thread. Some of you people aren't worth a real debate. So you just get some well-deserved memes and trolling.

That laptop = Hillary's emails. It'll sink Biden and it's only just begun. The emails and text released so far are enough to hang Biden (in the election) if true and there isn't major information suppression.

The more info that gets released, the more it'll confirm it was Hunter's laptop. Phone call from his lawyer to repair shop asking for the laptop. Receipt signed by Hunter Biden. Numerous personal pictures of Hunter Biden doing unseemly and illegal things.

You'll see CNN, MSNBC, etc show no interest in exploring the veracity of the information. Just stonewalling. But people will learn.

And for 2 elections in a row a corrupt democrat will sink.

Enjoy ;)

[Castle2.0]

EXCLUSIVE: Rudy Giuliani on the NEW Hunter Biden Leaks! | Louder With Crowder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_N6vsN4QiM

[Morton Jr]

i started on both servers recently, i noticed much nicer servers on blue and items seem to be cheaper.

I am pretty casual however.

[Pretzelle]

I've been largely skipping this trash thread. Some of you people aren't worth a real debate. So you just get some well-deserved memes and trolling.

That laptop = Hillary's emails. It'll sink Biden and it's only just begun. The emails and text released so far are enough to hang Biden (in the election) if true and there isn't major information suppression.

The more info that gets released, the more it'll confirm it was Hunter's laptop. Phone call from his lawyer to repair shop asking for the laptop. Receipt signed by Hunter Biden. Numerous personal pictures of Hunter Biden doing unseemly and illegal things.

You'll see CNN, MSNBC, etc show no interest in exploring the veracity of the information. Just stonewalling. But people will learn.

And for 2 elections in a row a corrupt democrat will sink.

Enjoy ;)

Literally nobody cares about the emails. Not a single person is on the fence about this election and it will not matter. You either want things to return to sanity or will vote for Trump.

[BlackBellamy]

https://imgur.com/X9Ovsc6.jpg

I know the problem is on Steam's side because my pipe is fat and blazing. Oh well back to posting.

I've always had a deep respect for Rudy Giuliani. He spent his early years proving he wasn't some mafia guy by being super aggressive on crime. He fucked the Five Families in the ass hard. Then he got to be mayor, you know I felt safe on the streets of NYC for the first time in my life.

I know he's a stand-up guy, as we call them here. Sure, he plays dirty but that's New York, you have to survive here. My point is all those years and he's never had a credibility crisis. So when he started to deliver on his promise I started to pay attention.

I hope the rest of America does too.

https://twitter.com/RepStevenSmith/status/1317126395919740929

Joe Biden is an order of magnitude more corrupt than Trump. Trumps 'corruption' as it were, is standard business-level stuff where opinions might differ on what is usual or an usual practice. Tax avoidance, complicated real-estate deals to disguise shady depreciation techniques. Bankers willing to overlook obvious exaggerations on loan applications. Yawn.

Joe Biden installed his drug addict son in foreign companies as a conduit to funnel money directly to himself and THEN he worked to change US policy to enrich those entities so they could make him money faster. He's being doing it for decades if not longer.

His drug addict sex-fiend son, whose legendary lecherous drug-addled exploits were carefully documented by how many foreign operations? How many pictures of Hunter taking it up the ass from a Filipino ladyboy does Xi Jinping have? How many drug dealers are talking to Russians, telling them when and how often?

[Woke Locc]

I've been largely skipping this trash thread. Some of you people aren't worth a real debate. So you just get some well-deserved memes and trolling.

That laptop = Hillary's emails. It'll sink Biden and it's only just begun. The emails and text released so far are enough to hang Biden (in the election) if true and there isn't major information suppression.

The more info that gets released, the more it'll confirm it was Hunter's laptop. Phone call from his lawyer to repair shop asking for the laptop. Receipt signed by Hunter Biden. Numerous personal pictures of Hunter Biden doing unseemly and illegal things.

You'll see CNN, MSNBC, etc show no interest in exploring the veracity of the information. Just stonewalling. But people will learn.

And for 2 elections in a row a corrupt democrat will sink.

Enjoy ;)

https://i.imgur.com/eCPUezS.gif

[Pretzelle]

https://imgur.com/X9Ovsc6.jpg

I know the problem is on Steam's side because my pipe is fat and blazing. Oh well back to posting.

I've always had a deep respect for Rudy Giuliani. He spent his early years proving he wasn't some mafia guy by being super aggressive on crime. He fucked the Five Families in the ass hard. Then he got to be mayor, you know I felt safe on the streets of NYC for the first time in my life.

I know he's a stand-up guy, as we call them here. Sure, he plays dirty but that's New York, you have to survive here. My point is all those years and he's never had a credibility crisis. So when he started to deliver on his promise I started to pay attention.

I hope the rest of America does too.

https://twitter.com/RepStevenSmith/status/1317126395919740929

Joe Biden is an order of magnitude more corrupt than Trump. Trumps 'corruption' as it were, is standard business-level stuff where opinions might differ on what is usual or an usual practice. Tax avoidance, complicated real-estate deals to disguise shady depreciation techniques. Bankers willing to overlook obvious exaggerations on loan applications. Yawn.

Joe Biden installed his drug addict son in foreign companies as a conduit to funnel money directly to himself and THEN he worked to change US policy to enrich those entities so they could make him money faster. He's being doing it for decades if not longer.

His drug addict sex-fiend son, whose legendary lecherous drug-addled exploits were carefully documented by how many foreign operations? How many pictures of Hunter taking it up the ass from a Filipino ladyboy does Xi Jinping have? How many drug dealers are talking to Russians, telling them when and how often?

How many drugs are you on, simultaneously, to think that Biden is more corrupt than Trump? EVERYONE AROUND TRUMP HAS BEEN IMPLICATED IN CRIMES. I just can't understand this cult one bit.

[BlackBellamy]

Literally nobody cares about the emails. Not a single person is on the fence about this election and it will not matter. You either want things to return to sanity or will vote for Trump.

Oh no everyone is talking about it.

You know how I know? Because Biden's support dropped a lot as soon as the revelations came, but Trump's didn't rise as much.

That means independent voters are abandoning Biden. They're not committing to Trump, they're pulling back to see how this shakes out.

That's PA below but if you look at most of the major battleground states you can see the same thing. Biden support is falling but Trump is not rising to match.

That's actually a really bad sign for Biden because the Dems shot their load and they're out of October Surprise but Rudy is going to deliver this thing all the way to the end. So all those undecided-now voters aren't going to go back to Biden. They don't know it yet for sure yet but they won't.

https://imgur.com/aRlKe6u.jpg

[BlackBellamy]

How many drugs are you on, simultaneously, to think that Biden is more corrupt than Trump? EVERYONE AROUND TRUMP HAS BEEN IMPLICATED IN CRIMES. I just can't understand this cult one bit.

No one accused General Grant of corruption when he was president, and yet his administration is frequently brought out as an example of such. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_administration_scandals)

EVERYONE AROUND GRANT HAS BEEN IMPLICATED IN CRIMES. I just can't understand this cult one bit.

If anything, Trump is guilty of not knowing how cutthroat politics was and trusted people to be the 'best people' instead of self-enriching venal cocksuckers (Hi Omarosa Manigault Newman). He made several statements to that effect, that he thought the real estate business was tough until he made it to DC.

But that's all in the past now. Sure, he still has to fire that FBI do-nothing jerk after the election, but he's got the people he needs now. The jerks have mostly been winnowed out. That's why we need him for the next term. His crew is a mean lean machine all figured shit out and ready to bring super-peace and mega-prosperity for the next four years.

I'm not sure cult is a good term. We're not as dogmatic as the left I think; we don't take things on faith as much which is ironic because we're definitely more religious. I used to think religiosity suppressed rationalism but I'm not so sure any longer. I think when you have faith you question it and thus test it. But if you don't then you're much more willing to accept information from those in authority, because you don't have the tools to question your beliefs. Descartes was a devout Catholic who considered it his mission to defend the faith. And yet through logic he posited that in the end, he could not trust any information he received from any of his sources or senses, because he could not be sure the information or his senses were not being manipulated; that any proof to the contrary could be faked as well. His religious search for the truth led him to the greatest skepticism of all.

So yeah, we're not a cult.

You're in the cult.

[Jibartik]

I've never really thought the preamble to the ending to American Beauty was realistic until I really got to know you guys.

[Jibartik]

I cant imagine thinking trump was less corrupt than Biden when one of his best pals looks like the penguin and has a supervillan style rap sheet.

[kjs86z]

You either want things to return to sanity or will vote for Trump.

pretty sure drag queen story hour and the rest of the crackpot leftist ideas are far more insane than orangeman president

https://i.imgur.com/59Zy0rw.jpg

[Jibartik]

Trump lying to me about my saftey so that I wont panic is enough for me, idk what ppl are on about these days worrying about me being a communist.

[Pretzelle]

pretty sure drag queen story hour and the rest of the crackpot leftist ideas are far more insane than orangeman president

https://i.imgur.com/59Zy0rw.jpg

my son loves drag queens. sorry you have so much hate in your heart.

:o

[Pretzelle]

No one accused General Grant of corruption when he was president, and yet his administration is frequently brought out as an example of such. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_administration_scandals)

EVERYONE AROUND GRANT HAS BEEN IMPLICATED IN CRIMES. I just can't understand this cult one bit.

If anything, Trump is guilty of not knowing how cutthroat politics was and trusted people to be the 'best people' instead of self-enriching venal cocksuckers (Hi Omarosa Manigault Newman). He made several statements to that effect, that he thought the real estate business was tough until he made it to DC.

But that's all in the past now. Sure, he still has to fire that FBI do-nothing jerk after the election, but he's got the people he needs now. The jerks have mostly been winnowed out. That's why we need him for the next term. His crew is a mean lean machine all figured shit out and ready to bring super-peace and mega-prosperity for the next four years.

I'm not sure cult is a good term. We're not as dogmatic as the left I think; we don't take things on faith as much which is ironic because we're definitely more religious. I used to think religiosity suppressed rationalism but I'm not so sure any longer. I think when you have faith you question it and thus test it. But if you don't then you're much more willing to accept information from those in authority, because you don't have the tools to question your beliefs. Descartes was a devout Catholic who considered it his mission to defend the faith. And yet through logic he posited that in the end, he could not trust any information he received from any of his sources or senses, because he could not be sure the information or his senses were not being manipulated; that any proof to the contrary could be faked as well. His religious search for the truth led him to the greatest skepticism of all.

So yeah, we're not a cult.

You're in the cult.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Trump_administration_controversies

:rolleyes:

[Danth]

I used to think religiosity suppressed rationalism but I'm not so sure any longer.

If you had to grow up with my great aunt, you'd be sure. The mental hoops that woman would jump through in defense of her Catholic faith never failed to amuse. Both sides have their rational thinkers, and both sides have their share of unthinking zealots. As is always the case, the zealots--in sufficient numbers--are always the dangerous group(s) regardless of their specific form of zealotry. Left or Right, those are the folks who'll eventually want your destruction for disagreeing with them.

Danth

[FatherSioux]

my son loves drag queens. sorry you have so much hate in your heart.

:o

I hope you’re kidding about having kids.

[Jibartik]

I hope you’re kidding about having kids.

That's not very nice :(

[douglas1999]

Biden said in his town hall that kids as young as 8 who think they're transgender should have those feelings entertained by their parents and medical professionals. I look forward to the day when if your 8 year old son says "dad I'm a girl" and you say "maybe wait until you're older to make that determination, son" child protective services will come take him away from you. What a glorious utopi-future is in store for us all.

And remember, if you're not 100% on board with this kind of lunacy, you're "full of hate"! It's a perfect kafka trap; agree with us or you're GUILTY!

[Pretzelle]

I hope you’re kidding about having kids.

Sorry that you're an incel. :(

[Jibartik]

That's not very nice either, incel's are people too :(

[Pretzelle]

Biden said in his town hall that kids as young as 8 who think they're transgender should have those feelings entertained by their parents and medical professionals. I look forward to the day when if your 8 year old son says "dad I'm a girl" and you say "maybe wait until you're older to make that determination, son" child protective services will come take him away from you. What a glorious utopi-future is in store for us all.

And remember, if you're not 100% on board with this kind of lunacy, you're "full of hate"! It's a perfect kafka trap; agree with us or you're GUILTY!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Maines

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_v._Regional_School_Unit_26

Why do transgendered people offend cons so badly?

Edit: Remember when this dickbag claimed to be left-of-center? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

[Castle2.0]

You either want things to return to sanity or will vote for Trump.
Fixed it for you.
You either want things to return to sanitysame old corruption or will vote for Trump.

Burning cities, political violence/murder, corruption... Biden is running on a great platform :D

If not for COVID Trump would be 400+ electoral votes. I guess we'll settle for 300+.

[Pretzelle]

Fixed it for you.


Burning cities, political violence/murder, corruption... Biden is running on a great platform :D

Yeah, running to fix all of those problems that Trump has caused the last 4 years. It'll be great when the news is boring and we're not having to deal with 2-3 scandals daily from the White House.

[Jibartik]

I knew you were a scorned dem ;)

[Woke Locc]

I won't be voting for Hunter Biden

Thanks for the edification, thread!

[Jibartik]

Trumps about to walk out the plane in FLA for a rally and I think the announcer is reading this thread lol

[Pretzelle]

Donald Trump Has AT LEAST $1 BILLION In Debt, More Than Twice The Amount He Suggested (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/10/16/donald-trump-has-at-least-1-billion-in-debt-more-than-twice-the-amount-he-suggested/#e3803a343306)


What Trump owes: $285 million
What Trump owes: Est. $170 million
What Trump owes: Est. $162 million
What Trump owes: $138 million
What Trump owes: Est. $125 million
What Trump owes: $100 million
What Trump owes: More than $75 million
What Trump owes: $13 million
What Trump owes: Est. $11 million
What Trump owes: Est. $11 million
What Trump owes: Est. $10 million
What Trump owes: Est. $7 million
What Trump owes: $6 million
What Trump owes: $5-25 million


Will be interesting to see who bails him out of all these loans since we know he's got hardly any cash on hand and minimal liquidity.

[Jibartik]

Trump is rich if how you score rich is how you score golf!

[Castle2.0]

Level 1
A: These are hacked emails, you cannot see them!
B: The laptop was abandoned and became the property of the store owner 90 days after being abandoned per store policy.

Level 2
A: Well, there's nothing in them that says Joe Biden did anything wrong.
B: Just his son receiving money from shady foreign companies for "introductions" and "meetings" with his Vice Prez father, and in his own words saying he had to give half of this illicit income to his father, Vice President Joe Biden.

Level 3
A: Well, we cannot be certain the files are authentic! They were created and distributed by the RRRRRRRRRUSIANS (*read with a rolling R*)
B: Never before seen pictures of Hunter. Text messages. Emails. Phone numbers. Metadata. All perfectly concocted?

Level 4
A: This won't change anything. No one cares. Trump is worse *continues with debunked Russia claims and ad hominem attacks*
B: Sir, you reached level 4. This means you not only lost the argument but are also disingenuous and potentially morally bankrupt.

[Danth]

Why do transgendered people offend cons so badly?

Same reason hyper religious morality police offend the left so badly.

I am not offended by someone being mentally abnormal. A person can't help if he was born with an oddball brain. I wouldn't discriminate on that basis alone any more than I'd discriminate for someone being born with one arm. I am offended if that person insists everyone else should participate in his delusion. Some dude has his wires crossed and wants to call himself a girl? Free country, have at it. He starts screaming at me and insisting that *I* also pretend he's a girl and calling me a bigot because I'm not sexually attracted to another man or starts telling me I need to teach my kid to be like he is--then yeah he's going to have an argument or a fight. It's in effect the same issue I have with the right-wing religious morality police trying to tell me how to live. In either case, do what works for you and leave me and my family out of it.

Danth

[Pretzelle]

Level 1
A: These are hacked emails, you cannot see them!
B: The laptop was abandoned and became the property of the store owner 90 days after being abandoned per store policy.

Level 2
A: Well, there's nothing in them that says Joe Biden did anything wrong.
B: Just his son receiving money from shady foreign companies for "introductions" and "meetings" with his Vice Prez father, and in his own words saying he had to give half of this illicit income to his father, Vice President Joe Biden.

Level 3
A: Well, we cannot be certain these emails are authentic! They were created and distributed by the RRRRRRRRRUSIANS (*read with a rolling R*)
B: Never before seen pictures of Hunter. Text messages. Emails. Phone numbers. Metadata. All perfectly concocted?

Level 4
A: This won't change anything. No one cares. Trump is worse *continues with debunked Russia claims and ad hominem attacks*
B: Sir, you reached level 4. This means you not only lost the argument but are also disingenuous and potentially morally bankrupt.
There was never a level 1. There's certainly not a level 4. Sorry that you care about someone's child's substance abuse. The emails are obviously doctored (learn about metadata, please). Sorry your cult leader is in a downward spiral and will be facing charges from the SDNY.

[Jibartik]

Highest level

Didn't read :p

[Pretzelle]

Same reason hyper religious morality police offend the left so badly.

I am not offended by someone being mentally abnormal. A person can't help if he was born with an oddball brain. I wouldn't discriminate on that basis alone any more than I'd discriminate for someone being born with one arm. I am offended if that person insists everyone else should participate in his delusion. Some dude has his wires crossed and wants to call himself a girl? Free country, have at it. He starts screaming at me and insisting that *I* also pretend he's a girl and calling me a bigot because I'm not sexually attracted to another man or starts telling me I need to teach my kid to be like he is--then yeah he's going to have an argument or a fight. It's in effect the same issue I have with the right-wing religious morality police trying to tell me how to live. In either case, do what works for you and leave me and my family out of it.

Danth

Because your hyper religious morality police are infesting the government and influencing their policies, wanting to deny civil rights to others.

[kjs86z]

https://i.imgur.com/nrXVUM2.png

[Danth]

Because your hyper religious morality police are infesting the government and influencing their policies, wanting to deny civil rights to others.

They have at various times and are waiting in the wings to do so again if given half a chance. Such things ebb and flow over the years.

[Pretzelle]

https://i.imgur.com/nrXVUM2.png

You're so edgy. I want to know what you're going to do with your miserable existence when Trump loses? maybe blow up some more in Riot discord?

[Jibartik]

well that's just down right mean :(

[Castle2.0]

Prissy,

Refuses to answer simple questions when he/she/zhir knows the/she/zhir is wrong
Spams the same thread spastically trying to defend his guy
Complains he can't read compound sentences
Ignores what others write in response
Prefers handwaving arguments instead of answering them


Sounds like a reasonable, well-reasoned thinker who has strong arguments. Sounds like someone open to engage with other's ideas. Very tolerant, very open.

*Pelosi clap* lol

You sound more like the dude in kjs photo :D

I was right, you're not worth the effort to write, and I have written enough to inform any reasonable viewer of this thread.

My work here is done. I guess we will see whose predictions are right on COVID, the election, and the laptop. The list above should give others a good hint.

[kjs86z]

You're so edgy. I want to know what you're going to do with your miserable existence when Trump loses? maybe blow up some more in Riot discord?

Remember that time a few words / pictures offended you so badly you had an entire channel nuked?

https://i.imgur.com/uJrCujq.jpeg

[Pretzelle]

Prissy,

Refuses to answer simple questions when he/she/zhir knows the/she/zhir is wrong
Spams the same thread spastically trying to defend his guy
Complains he can't read compound sentences
Ignores what others write in response
Prefers handwaving arguments instead of answering them


Sounds like a reasonable, well-reasoned thinker who has strong arguments. Sounds like someone open to engage with other's ideas. Very tolerant, very open.

*Pelosi clap* lol

You sound more like the dude in kjs photo :D

I was right, you're not worth the effort to write, and I have written enough to inform any reasonable viewer of this thread.

My work here is done. I guess we will see whose predictions are right on COVID, the election, and the laptop. The list above should give others a good hint.

Are you okay?

I don't have "a guy" in this race. I've voted for a candidate that isn't your guy. You're still upset that I made you ask your dumb flu question like 12 times?