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Hans
10-27-2020, 06:53 AM
On March 25th, 2020 Rogean released a patch that was an overhaul to the Zone Experience Modifiers as many of us know them to be called ZEMs.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=353369

I feel these changes need to be analyzed.

Rogean goes on to say, " These ZEMs have not been looked at for a long time on the project, and having looked at them, there was a lot of disparity between them. We feel that adjusting these will help restore some balance between underutilized and over utilized zones. The majority of zones are receiving a change to their value."

https://wiki.project1999.com/Recommended_Levels_and_ZEM_List
Not only did allot of zones receive a difference to there values, These were huge changes. As noted on the Wiki there is a list of every zone and what their ZEM was prior to the change and what it was changed to on 3/25/2020. Some stand out zones are Permafrost, Kedge Keep boasting the highest ZEMs in the game with 169 and 163.


I don't know how Under utilized Permafrost was considered to be but for as long as I've been on this server I have know of the bear pits, and the Jailer camp (for the insta-clicky root nets at the time)The fact that the ZEM went from 90 to 169 has not seemed to up the amount of players in the 20's to 50 range at least on blue.

Was Permafrost a first choice of group locations for levels 20-50 no but It was far out of the way and yes under utilized. The only resurgence we are seeing in Permafrost is in the Bear Pits on blue are perma camped and Players making their way there on Green in pre-made groups.

Kedge Keep is one of those zones that everyone knows they have to go to at some point for a piece off Phinny, or help your friend with the druid epic. Before the Zem Was changed from 100 to 163 it was and still is far less utilized than a zone like Unrest or even closer to its level range Lower Guk, Splitpaw and the like. On green or blue I don't see this changing anything.

If you continue down the list and look at the zones that did receive a bonus some of those took hard hits. Crushbone an outside zone from 160 to 125, Estate of Unrest 130 to 113. high keep 150 to 112.5.

Keep scrolling and you see that a lot of the pre 75 ZEM zones are now 100 but get to the bottom of the list, and start to see Lower Guk 80 to 75, SolB 80 to 75 and so on.

I feel that no matter which has higher or lower ZEMs we are all going to flock to the better zones. 20-35 really had the stuffing taken out of them as we go from having places like Mistmoore, Upper Guk, Splitpaw, high keep, Permafrost, Dalnir. To only really seeing people congregate to Cazic Thule, Perma and Splitpaw if they have too. Guk, Mistmoore, High keep and even Splitpaw are pretty much barren now.

This does not change as you move into the 40's and 50's. 50's only have 2 places they you will see them in bulk. The Hole or Permafrost. Anything outside these are pre-made groups, or soloers.

I do want to also stress that ZEMs aren't everything. The game is here for you to enjoy. Its how you enjoy it that decides how much of the world you see in your levels. Be bound by the ZEM or be bound by the adventure. I choose Adventure with friends, but Stick to ZEM otherwise.

Rogean lastly said, "We will be keeping an eye on the results of these changes and may make further adjustments as necessary."

I think we should do that.

Domo
10-27-2020, 07:07 AM
I dont really care about this topic because I always only play 1 charkter per server, but imo the ZEM in dungeons should be changed every month.

Make one month guk and permafrost the best dungeon to exp, another month it will be Mistmoore and Droga, another month it will be The Warrens and The Hole etc.

charmcitysking
10-27-2020, 07:23 AM
why post this here

Jauna
10-27-2020, 07:55 AM
why post this here

I dunno what its like on green server for leveling zones, but on Blue most of the zones he mentioned are not popular anymore. i dunno why MMs ZEM was LOWERED

Zipity
10-27-2020, 08:20 AM
I dunno what its like on green server for leveling zones, but on Blue most of the zones he mentioned are not popular anymore. i dunno why MMs ZEM was LOWERED

Kedge and permafrost are both littered with healers who heal through the walls and are either in the middle of nowhere or completely submerged, the zone that needs reconfiguring is CT the zem for that zone needs to be dialed back a bit then you would see people spreading to other zones.

Baler
10-27-2020, 08:34 AM
This is nilbog's and rogean's server, I imagine if they feel the zem changes reduced the petition demand on the guides. Then they're happy with how it turned out. That's my logic on why they did the change in the first place. People were clumped into fewer zones, by adjusting the zem it spread people out more.

Should focus your energy on Kunark and ZEM for Kunark. Since that's just around the corner for green.

OuterChimp
10-27-2020, 11:16 AM
Kerra Isle gets no love.

Scalem
10-27-2020, 12:11 PM
On green you hardly see anyone in Kedge or Perma exping. Most people are only there to farm rare items for tunnel quest.

Jauna
10-27-2020, 12:42 PM
People were clumped into fewer zones

this might work on green, but blue is in shambles.

Jauna
10-27-2020, 12:51 PM
Kedge

It took my 189 int wizard 5 or 6 hours to get 1-200 swimming
First they nerfed afk corner swimming
Then they nerfed swimming skillups again to where you can make so big a circle or distance to skillup

aint on us man
shit to pull
shit to travel to and from and in
casters like to veg out and reapplication of EB or levi tends to be forgotten on and required classes that can lev and eb

You can make that place a 500% exp mod and the fucking risk/prep is not worth it

Tunabros
10-27-2020, 12:53 PM
On green you hardly see anyone in Kedge or Perma exping. Most people are only there to farm rare items for tunnel quest.

kedge is a pretty shit zone to crawl through but the exp is solid

I still see people grouping in perma but on green

Hrothgar
10-27-2020, 01:21 PM
I was on p99 for 8 years. In 8 years, they re-evaluated ZEM precisely once, if I'm not mistaken, and that was last Spring.

Stop asking for shit and play the game as it was meant to be played in this dusty museum of frozen aspirations.

Zipity
10-27-2020, 02:26 PM
It took my 189 int wizard 5 or 6 hours to get 1-200 swimming
First they nerfed afk corner swimming
Then they nerfed swimming skillups again to where you can make so big a circle or distance to skillup

aint on us man
shit to pull
shit to travel to and from and in
casters like to veg out and reapplication of EB or levi tends to be forgotten on and required classes that can lev and eb

You can make that place a 500% exp mod and the fucking risk/prep is not worth it

You know how I know you are bad at EQ?

Nexii
10-27-2020, 04:07 PM
There are hardly any mobs in Perma that are blue to someone 30-50, that's why people don't go there. It's an okay place 20-30 but for all the travel time it's not really worth it.

Dolalin
10-27-2020, 04:15 PM
Kerra Isle gets no love.

It is next on my list of zones to recreate the classic pre-revamp version of once classic Paw is polished up.

Psyborg
10-27-2020, 04:22 PM
I fully support rotated ZEM tiers. The Hole has been really fun and can support quite a few players.

Jauna
10-27-2020, 07:01 PM
You know how I know you are bad at EQ?

Because you dont have a proper retort and resorting to namecalling is what mouth breathers do

kaizersoze
10-27-2020, 07:47 PM
droga is already low key amazing xp

Nuggie
10-27-2020, 09:12 PM
There are hardly any mobs in Perma that are blue to someone 30-50, that's why people don't go there. It's an okay place 20-30 but for all the travel time it's not really worth it.

Not to mention the very dense mob placement, with healers. I tried to level there on an alt after the ZEM change and the shit was just not very good exp given how slow you have to go to not die(untwinked/no high level help). As a plvl zone i'm sure it's groovy.

Gorster
10-27-2020, 09:52 PM
My only complaint is the lack of groups in LGuk these days is gonna make it harder to get down and grab my last rod for Staff of the Wheel. Oh well, trash tier status continues.

azxten
10-27-2020, 11:00 PM
Someone needs to find proof the ZEM wasn't even a big thing in classic live. I remember in classic I would run all over the world trying to find a place to get faster exp and it just.. wasn't faster. Pretty much everything was exactly the same. Something is wrong on P99, experience is way too fast in the top ZEM zones.

Man0warr
10-27-2020, 11:16 PM
The original ZEM values on P99 came from ShowEQ's packet sniffer on Al'kabor I assume. Also, ZEM as a mechanic always existed even in Classic EQ, it just wasn't discussed about to players.

Dolalin
10-28-2020, 03:54 AM
Someone needs to find proof the ZEM wasn't even a big thing in classic live. I remember in classic I would run all over the world trying to find a place to get faster exp and it just.. wasn't faster. Pretty much everything was exactly the same. Something is wrong on P99, experience is way too fast in the top ZEM zones.

I already figured out the classic values, when they were changed, etc:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343193

P99 wants to do custom ZEM and that's fine.

Topgunben
10-28-2020, 10:55 AM
Kerra Isle gets no love.

Ya. Kerra needs a 200% zem to get anyone out there.

Likewise, when Permafrost got a huge exp bump, leveling in there became a viable option.

reznor_
10-28-2020, 01:19 PM
I like the idea of rotating ZEM on a monthly basis. It would be fun to see other, underutilized zones be populated.

azxten
10-28-2020, 01:35 PM
I already figured out the classic values, when they were changed, etc:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343193

P99 wants to do custom ZEM and that's fine.

I see

He confirms that no ZEM in classic was ever higher than 100.

So we're running almost 2x classic exp in some hot zones? Matches what I'm seeing and is pretty lame.

This contributes to why raiding on P99 is so shitty as well. It's very easy to level here. On true classic hitting max level before Kunark was difficult if you had any kind of normal real life obligations. On P99 you just get a broken Enchanter in your group and hit the ZEM hot spots to power level up to 50 then power level up your alts.

I mean, I've done it as well, but I wish it wasn't that way because I think raiding in EQ is pretty damn lame and I really only enjoy the game for the group/solo experience. Something that is pretty much destroyed by these mechanics. Lately on P99 this is really getting out of control as well. All the top ZEM zones have PL group sessions. I was briefly in a UN guild where they have PL sessions for everyone. It's like the only goal on P99 is to get to raid level as fast as possible which leaves the rest of the game feeling empty, rushed, and trivial.

Probably 90%+ of people raiding on P99 shouldn't even be able to raid except for how unclassically easy it is to level here. High ZEMs, broken mob HP like in kith, broken classes like Enchanter, etc. Leads to a top heavy player population that has nothing to do but raid or power level more alts up to better "compete" in raiding.

Sometimes I think the devs here don't understand that people play P99 for a lot of other reasons than raiding and high level experience. I was very disappointed by the fast spawns for green, high ZEMs, enchanter groups, etc all seemingly focused on getting players to level as fast as possible. Devs even said as much to avoid "congestion." Same with opening Teal.

All ruins a true classic experience where leveling was difficult for exactly those reasons like congested areas, low experience rates, etc. Being max level should be an accomplishment not a quick foot race so you can "start raiding." I don't know why there is this seeming protection of trivializing P99 at every turn. EQ was a difficult and punishing game, P99 is WoW lite and the evidence seems to all be there that this isn't how classic worked.

Oddbaal
10-28-2020, 02:26 PM
It ain’t easy to level for us noobs, the time commit it already long. Not a complaint. I can see why the old heads might want to change it up. Personally I ventured into perma on my druid and charmed wolves to level and the exp was amazing.

But you know what? I could port away to instantly sell then just gate back. I don’t think I’d want to make that trip on a class that couldn’t gate... perma I mean. I’m still going to try it though.

7thGate
10-28-2020, 11:18 PM
I did a lot of my 40's crawling Kedge with guild groups back in 2017, and it was great. Lots of XP, good loot, neat zone to learn.