Irresponsible to keep raid ban going

[Naerron]

This is not a rant or a flame so I did not post it there. This is also not for me, i am a 1% RA raider and have a newborn and my plate is currently too full to do much more than discord and forum quest atm. Now that i've got that out of the way, here goes.

Everquest at it's heart is a social game. With the pandemic still as bad as ever and political turmoil in the US, it's important to be able to fall back on our other ways being social and for a lot of us that in raiding.

I also don't think it takes much time playing on P99 and especially raiding on P99 to start getting red flags of mental illness that is being managed and that is not being managed.

With those two things in mind, it doesn't make sense to me why we're not taking a more humanistic approach here. If P99 is place people find their outlet and with all of the extra ordinary stress we're all going through right now, why take that away from people. This just seems like a very harsh tactic during already tough times for a lot of people when really this is about infighting amongst 30 or so people, the amount of raiders suspended is hundreds of people.

So, that is my question and my thoughts on it. I left the UN chan after I saw the sanctioned trolling and general pot stirring that was being allowed to happen and encouraged. Here are two quick ideas on better solutions.

Why not just quake people into submission? Are we really worried about the perceived pixel value lowering and thus lowering population of a server that is not for profit? Let people blow off some steam, by the 5th back to back quake everyone will have a door prize.

When I hard the problem described to me, it sounds like a systems issue where less intense player populations do not have access to raid targets and the current raiding guilds petition each other too much. So, instead of a social solution, why not try a technical one. The implementation of the /list on green was very successful imo.

Taking that logic to blue, there are a myriad of technical solutions out there. My personal favorite is create instances for those that want a more casual play style. Put them on 2-3 week cooldowns that would reset on a quake. Limit instance mobs to dropping 2 loots. Then have open world mobs, they always drop 3-5 loots and there are no raid rules. No reason to petition because because there's nothing to be enforced. Play nice policy still covers non raiders in the zone.

Anyway, after checking back in with a lot of my discord communities from my break I felt like I should say something.

[kaizersoze]

the staff does not negotiate with terrorists.

[Fammaden]

So, people are using P99 to self medicate their mental health issues, and you decided the moral choice is to continue to enable their addiction to raiding as much as possible?

[Naerron]

So, people are using P99 to self medicate their mental health issues, and you decided the moral choice is to continue to enable their addiction to raiding as much as possible?

Not here to solve their problems, but I think at some point there is a responsibility to understand the community at large and know the vulnerable populations among them. This is really to punish about 30 poeople.

Like i said, i'm not even raiding or playing atm. But i see people i know and friends struggling with a bunch IRL right now, so, why not say something and see if i can take one less thing stressing them off their plate?

All of this "why so serious" and "it's just a game" really needs a reality check. I think we all know what the deal is at this point, no need to gas light yourself.

[Arvan]

You are right eq is a social game. Those of us who are healthy raid sometimes and play it as a fun social community game while also having a job and or wife and kids. The problem is the people who are not ok and are not playing eq as a social community game but instead playing it like a 12 year old on call of duty need to learn to stop being toxic or leave our server.

[kjs86z]

You can be social without raids.

Hell, you can be social without EQ. I strongly recommend it.

Covid is nothing. Go outside.

[Ripqozko]

Sorry you don’t got raid

[aspomwell]

I keep seeing people suggesting instances as a solution with no idea of the complexity involved. As I understand it, there's code for instancing in EQEMU but P99 got forked so long ago and the instancing software was 'removed'.

I hear non-programmers (and I'm currently in this bucket, it's been years) say 'just add instances' with no idea the level of complexity involved. I think it's pretty safe to say that instances will never be implemented on P99. Of course, I've not seen the guts of P99 so what do I know?

edit: don't get me wrong, I love the idea of instances, I just don't see it happening.

[Tunabros]

Sorry you don’t got raid

[radbeard]

if its not classic they just aren't going to do it. The devs do not seem to see themselves as managing their own game but as reproducing someone elses.

[Legidias]

Or, you know, 'competitive raiders' could just learn to not be jerks and be decent people and not try to sabotage each other? It really doesn't take much to play nice.

[Xulia]

Agree with OP. Ban was a lazy punishment that's negatively impacted many people who legitimately did nothing wrong besides belonging to a guild. Still astonished that was their choice besides actually dealing with the problem, but it's their Project.

[Croco]

if its not classic they just aren't going to do it. The devs do not seem to see themselves as managing their own game but as reproducing someone elses.

I mean this is verifiably not true. They've added/changed a plethora of things that are demonstrably not classic. They've also been given concrete proof of clear classic mechanics/content/spawn timers/drop rates and ignored them completely. What they choose to keep or make classic is entirely arbitrary.

[Scalem]

Sorry you don’t got raid

[getsome]

Raid bans are kinda harsh, perhaps an alternative punishment could be fining guilds five million plat and deleveling all guilded toons to 51.

[conoutoftrol]

The ban is lifted once all four thousand threads about it reach the 2nd page

gl hf

[mcoy]

The ban is lifted once all four thousand threads about it reach the 2nd page

gl hf

https://imgur.com/cIooz23.gif

-Mcoy

[radbeard]

I mean this is verifiably not true. They've added/changed a plethora of things that are demonstrably not classic. They've also been given concrete proof of clear classic mechanics/content/spawn timers/drop rates and ignored them completely. What they choose to keep or make classic is entirely arbitrary.

they will nibble at the smallest margins to nerf seafury and large blocks of ore drop rates but they will never diverge so far as to change the mechanical landscape of raiding. If it were truly arbitrary you would see big and small changes.

I guess that raises a question, what is the single biggest change on p99 from classic era that was implemented?

[beversami]

Agree with OP. Ban was a lazy punishment that's negatively impacted many people who legitimately did nothing wrong besides belonging to a guild. Still astonished that was their choice besides actually dealing with the problem, but it's their Project.

Why don't you turn and point your finger at the top 20-30 most competitive, entitled people in the top 3 guilds then? They are the ones who caused this issue. They are the ones that account for 90% of the drama on the server. They are the ones keeping you from raiding right now.

[Evia]

Pretty sure this is an elite top tier troll post.

[pivo]

edit: don't get me wrong, I love the idea of instances, I just don't see it happening.

I agree.

But there are other ways. For example, spawn rates could be increased. Say dragon, that spawn once a week could randomly spawn once a day. But guild that finished raid, would have say 7 days cool down, before it can raid the same dragon again. That way, more guilds would get a chance and there would be less complaining and disputes.

These kind of changes shouldn't be too hard to implement. Probably much easier, than adding instances?

[Jauna]

I have been loving raiding on my other alts. Casual as fuck raiding feels nice. Because when I dont wanna be at a raid I dont get penalized.

With that said I am LOVING the surge of raidbanned players in exp zones again. From fucking Oasis to Velks there is always something to do other than raiding. With that said, one more set of enter keys:

Leave em banned

[renarin]

This raid ban has been a blessing. The filthy casuals can finally get their tiny teeth on equipment that may be worthy of wielding. TBH, it gives a taste of the constant loot that you can have on a regular basis as a member of the most sophisticated raiding guild on the server (<Riot>). No politics, just loot and fun times with amazing players across the globe.

[Danth]

Might be a secret conspiracy to further spread the Pixel Sickness to the second-tier guilds so as to increase the top-end's recruitment pool later on. Optionally perhaps the top guilds simply like arguing with each other more than they enjoy the actual game.

Danth

[Jauna]

The last two posts assume everyone else is like them.

[Jauna]

But also admitting they also needed a bancation.

[Danth]

But also admitting they also needed a bancation.

From what? I go on a raid on P99 maybe once a year or so. Haven't been on one at all this year thus far. Never have been big on the high-end in this game. I know better, and I have enough of a backbone to say, "No." Instead I stick to the parts of the game that are fun, many of which you seem to be rediscovering based on your own earlier post.

Danth

[Naerron]

Thanks to anyone being positive on the thread. Important for people to remember we got two kinds of people in the world. Good people, and good people who are hurting. If you ever find yourself jumping up and down with a pitchfork and cheering on another person's punishment fervently, it might be time for some self reflection, or at least some yournaling.

That being said. I have two more AMAZzzzing ideas on how to fix everything.

1. Bag limits on mobs. Assign a point value to each mob, assign how much points each guild gets, once you hit your limit for the week you're done. If you do something honorable and worthy to have a GM take note of you, you get GM inspiration which is 1d6+9 points for the week.

2. I think this idea that the ban is good is just how some people's frustration with the overall lack of content is manifesting. The two project leads have said since day one they did plan on doing some sort of custom content past velious. I'm not sure if that's changed since their sanctioning by daybreak, but it would be an amazing community event to submit new quest, raid event, or even zone ideas. The titanium client has access to a ton of zones that would fit amazingly with the lore of trilogy.

In terms of custom content..We have some amazing people in the p99 community that would looove to help with updating the lazy/crappy/down right offensively bad weapon graphics for legendary weapons that are guarded by ancient dragons/beast/heroes of norrath. Let's quit ruining our immersion thinking a dragon would guard a blade that looks IDENTICAL to one carried by a decaying skeleton...

[Grumph]

If people have unresolved mental health issues

And their solution is to find release by laying p99 blue

Then keep in mind this Tibetan proverb

To attain enlightenment
Carry water and chop wood

To maintain enlightenment
Carry more water and chop more wood.

The solution to your mental problems are simple Daniel San.
Step 1) Farm cracked staves and bone chips.
Step 2) farm more cracked staves and more bone chips.

And if that doesn’t work
Step 3). Seek help

[ScottBerta]

The issue isn’t Riot, AG, and Freedom. Take them out of the equation and soon enough Kittens and TSS or two or three other random guilds will ban together and the same shit would happen. The competition at the top is cutthroat and these raiders play for keeps. The ReAl issue is that there are not enough Raid targets for the amount of lvl 60s on blue.

[Croco]

they will nibble at the smallest margins to nerf seafury and large blocks of ore drop rates but they will never diverge so far as to change the mechanical landscape of raiding. If it were truly arbitrary you would see big and small changes.

I guess that raises a question, what is the single biggest change on p99 from classic era that was implemented?

I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not. There have been a TON of big and small non-classic changes. Ask any necro how they're enjoying lifetap spells or ask an SK what their average HT hits for on a raid target.

[kjs86z]

go outside you godamn heathens

[Thomacles]

O.M.G....

The OP has just posted the absolute stupidest and idiotic post ever.

Imagine being so upset about the ban that you even suggest somehow the people who run P99 are doing something wrong by banning a bunch off asshats from a game, and then crying, "Oh the social injustice of denying people in a pandemic the ability to play on their private server. They must have some game to play and P99 is so mean not to give them something to do during lockdown!! It's so irresponsible!!"

I got news for you buddy. It's not their responsibility for them to do anything for you or provide you with anything at all. That's on you.

Socially irresponsible...... SERIOUSLY??? GTFO, go outside, and return when you have grown up.

To even suggest that the P99 people have some kind of social responsibility to let people play their game is beyond ludicrous and silly.

[keawynn]

The issue isn’t Riot, AG, and Freedom. Take them out of the equation and soon enough Kittens and TSS or two or three other random guilds will ban together and the same shit would happen. The competition at the top is cutthroat and these raiders play for keeps. The ReAl issue is that there are not enough Raid targets for the amount of lvl 60s on blue.


Keep deluding yourself, buddy. I'm sure the GM's will take enough pitty on your little raidless emotional meltdown to pretend to believe it.

[Naerron]

Hey bub, it's always important to consider the responsibility we all have to other humans. A lot of people in our little community are struggling IRL right now, and this is their escape.

When there are so many other ways to handle this, why chose a route that could cause more harm than good?

The fervent anger in your response shows me you're hurting and hints at a lack of understanding of the situation. Basically the same 30 people (regardless of the guilds they've been in) have been arguing and competing with each other for years now. They are also the ones coming up with the new plan.

The other 400ish of us are just here to hang with friends and enjoy the game just like you. However, they way we like to enjoy the game is to play with a big community of people at the same time. And as far as i know the only way to actually play the game with 60-100 people at once and in the same place is by raiding.

And unless you raid a lot, which it sounds like you might not, you likely don't understand the "party" style atmosphere that starts to brew when the raid gets going. That atmosphere is simply something you don't don't and can't get in a 6 person party grinding somewhere or simply from guild chat.

And that's what i'm talking about, when the thing you do every Friday/Saturday night goes away suddenly and you have zero control over if it comes back and no idea if it will come back, AND you've been isolated due to the pandemic AND your country is undergoing big changes that in some cases make people feel even more isolated. It'd be nice to have your hobby still. However, currently it's been snatched away and the only real info you have to go on is a meme of a russian hockey player and all the "non-toxic" players trying to rub it in your face.


Show some compassion, you'll find you can actually learn a lot.

O.M.G....

The OP has just posted the absolute stupidest and idiotic post ever.

Imagine being so upset about the ban that you even suggest somehow the people who run P99 are doing something wrong by banning a bunch off asshats from a game, and then crying, "Oh the social injustice of denying people in a pandemic the ability to play on their private server. They must have some game to play and P99 is so mean not to give them something to do during lockdown!! It's so irresponsible!!"

I got news for you buddy. It's not their responsibility for them to do anything for you or provide you with anything at all. That's on you.

Socially irresponsible...... SERIOUSLY??? GTFO, go outside, and return when you have grown up.

To even suggest that the P99 people have some kind of social responsibility to let people play their game is beyond ludicrous and silly.

[Naerron]

Also...would like to address the popular comment of "go outside"

Take a second here folks. First off, there are a large amount of people in our community that play this game because of a disability that does not make this easy during normal times.

Secondly, there is a pandemic happening. If you live in a large city, there isn't really many places to go right now, and it's not really smart to just be out and about for no reason. In my town even the parks have had the swings removed or are outright closed.

So, again, if these were normal times i wouldn't have made this post, but it's not normal times and i'm not here for my own self interest, I can post a screenshot of my 30-60-90 day RA if you need proof. I have friends that aren't doing well, which means i know others are in the same boat.

I don't mind your pot shots and rage posts though, so, you're not gonna bully me out of being a good person.

[Veleria]

if this was a first offense then your thoughts are quite reasonable. if this was a second or third then likewise. As this is an occurance that has been happening multiple times a year for several years and has happened before during this pandemic at least once and likely more, I think the GMs are justified in upping the stakes. the same people keep causing problems over and over and never learn. They chose to make the raiding scene toxic on this server. Sure it's exasperated by the number of players on the server but if your sense of worth and livelyhood comes from a 20 year old elf simulator and the only way to support that sense of self is to trample on others, then you might have issues the elf sim cannot solve.

[Croco]

Hey bub, it's always important to consider the responsibility we all have to other humans. A lot of people in our little community are struggling IRL right now, and this is their escape.

When there are so many other ways to handle this, why chose a route that could cause more harm than good?

The fervent anger in your response shows me you're hurting and hints at a lack of understanding of the situation. Basically the same 30 people (regardless of the guilds they've been in) have been arguing and competing with each other for years now. They are also the ones coming up with the new plan.

The other 400ish of us are just here to hang with friends and enjoy the game just like you. However, they way we like to enjoy the game is to play with a big community of people at the same time. And as far as i know the only way to actually play the game with 60-100 people at once and in the same place is by raiding.

And unless you raid a lot, which it sounds like you might not, you likely don't understand the "party" style atmosphere that starts to brew when the raid gets going. That atmosphere is simply something you don't don't and can't get in a 6 person party grinding somewhere or simply from guild chat.

And that's what i'm talking about, when the thing you do every Friday/Saturday night goes away suddenly and you have zero control over if it comes back and no idea if it will come back, AND you've been isolated due to the pandemic AND your country is undergoing big changes that in some cases make people feel even more isolated. It'd be nice to have your hobby still. However, currently it's been snatched away and the only real info you have to go on is a meme of a russian hockey player and all the "non-toxic" players trying to rub it in your face.


Show some compassion, you'll find you can actually learn a lot.

sorry you don't got raids, be less toxic

[Xulia]

They are the ones keeping you from raiding right now.

So you agree with me that the ban is a lazy punishment hurting more people than it’s helping and based on your response is having the opposite effect and fostering toxicity. Thank you for confirming I am right. Be blessed.

[Ennewi]

One hundred years ago there were very few ways of entertaining oneself indoors while a virus spread. If people in this community are that insulated, and they are waiting to be unsuspended, it's not like there aren't a ton of cheap games over on steam. Another option? Do research to contribute to the project. Both are good distractions.

[Thaak]

So you agree with me that the ban is a lazy punishment hurting more people than it’s helping and based on your response is having the opposite effect and fostering toxicity. Thank you for confirming I am right. Be blessed.

Therapy is always an option, yanno.

Your claims of hurting people are lazy, and don't address any underlying issues people may have. They're only hurting in Norrath. If that's bleeding over into real life, professional help is probably required.

[Xulia]

Therapy is always an option, yanno.


Sad attempt at a retort and you mocked people that use therapy to cope with mental health issues. This isn’t RNF.

[Loke]

they will nibble at the smallest margins to nerf seafury and large blocks of ore drop rates but they will never diverge so far as to change the mechanical landscape of raiding. If it were truly arbitrary you would see big and small changes.

I guess that raises a question, what is the single biggest change on p99 from classic era that was implemented?

I don't know about you, but I'd consider right click item and mob push nerfs both diversions from the mechanical landscape of classic than nibbling at the smallest margins.

[Loadsamoney]

Have I missed something? What exactly is this "ban" currently going on?

[Bluedarksun]

Let's quit ruining our immersion thinking a dragon would guard a blade that looks IDENTICAL to one carried by a decaying skeleton...

This made me LOL.

[Gustoo]

Remember when ivy hoops

[tyrant49333]

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Loadsamoney]

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yptXkLglKkA

[Bondrake]

Sad attempt at a retort and you mocked people that use therapy to cope with mental health issues. This isn’t RNF.

Don't you have a safe space to go to? Oh noooo someone mocked mental health. Im triggered. Boo hoo. Log out snowflake.