2020 Post Election MEGAthread

[Lizard1]

https://i.imgur.com/HTExfZs.gif?noredirect

What did this fat idiot smash a playstation?

[Woke Locc]

Side A says thing about side B
Side B says same thing about side A

What is the conclusion? That they are both right, or neither of them are right?

C) good things are different than bad things

[douglas1999]

C) good things are different than bad things

Hahaha, of course. You're on the good guy team! Is this how a five year old thinks? Yes, but who cares? You're very self assured and feel very good about yourself for being on the good guy team. *riots happen and innocent people are beaten and killed and minority owned businesses are burned down* Then you go: "Wellllll, we have to understand their anger!".

The actual good guy team is a coalition of people who are willing to call out their own side when they fuck up, and be charitable to people they disagree with. Doesn't matter if you come from the left or right. Tribal doofuses who think purely in binary are holding everything back.

[Baler]

I can't believe there are people who want to shutdown the economy and perform another lockdown.

Working Americans are in dept for the rest of their life and their kids life from the first lockdown.

[douglas1999]

Well look, no measure is too drastic to prevent people getting this virus that kills almost nobody who gets it.

There is literally no mainstream discourse about *how* a death is attributed to covid. 250k dead!! Well, how many of them had co-morbidities? Oh almost all of them. So, okay, at what point do you ask "Is it fair to attribute this person's death to covid? They were 80 and had advanced diabetes. A bad cold could have killed them too.". The way this issue is being portrayed and responded to is so completely incongruous with the way we treat literally any other disease.

You will never be safe from disease. You'll never be safe from risk in life generally. If this was actually airborne ebola you could make a much more convincing case for these lockdowns, but it's *not*. People cannot get this through their heads, it's just shockingly retarded.

[Baler]

Heart disease - over 300k-600k death in America every year
Cancer - over 250k-600k deaths in America ever year
Accidents - over 50k-200k deaths in America every year

covid - 258K deaths in America according to google.

Now don't get it twisted I'm not trying to under play covid deaths. Statistically it doesn't match up with yearly deaths of other factors. The longer we're exposed to covid the less deaths there will be. The more testing that is perform the more cases number will rise.

And this is a very political subject in America.
I firmly believe we should be protecting those who are vulnerable to it and allowing everyone else to live their life. Covid is not going away, it's here to stay sorry not sorry. There are still flare up cases of SARS for example.

Fucking Leprosy still exists and that's an Ancient Disease.

[Danth]

Trivial matter to identify a realistic number of covid deaths discounting people who were going to die anyway and covid simply finished them off: Look at total deaths since about March versus the average American death rate for a similar timespan.

Danth

[Trexller]

I can't believe there are people who want to shutdown the economy and perform another lockdown.

Working Americans are in dept for the rest of their life and their kids life from the first lockdown.

Its all by design, to keep us under their thumb, and condition the western world toward communist population controls.

1st, 2nd, 1000th amendment, it doesnt matter which is infringed upon, as soon as you can take one amendment away, you can take them all.

So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause. -Padme Amidala

You've all been warned.

In a few years ill come back to remind you that I informed you all thusly, and that you walked through an open door and dropped off a cliff.

[Baler]

Trivial matter to identify a realistic number of covid deaths discounting people who were going to die anyway and covid simply finished them off: Look at total deaths since about March versus the average American death rate for a similar timespan.

Danth

We've never had covid before which makes it an anomaly. Now if you want to compare the data next year to this year. It would much more validated. Working to lower the cases and deaths is very important. I don't want anyone to think I'm against that.
edit: I do think we can make educated predictions based on what we've learned this year however so to that extent I agree.

I agree covid has finished off people who I define as vulnerable. One issue with identifying who is vulnerable is who defines one's wellness as being a state of vulnerable.

[BiG SiP]

https://i.imgur.com/C7gAVgK.png

[douglas1999]

https://i.imgur.com/C7gAVgK.png

lulz why don't you like actually say something instead of posting images? this hilarious image of the king of the hill redneck guy doesn't really communicate anything

[Jibartik]

https://youtu.be/gGPHO7b0E8A?t=486

"In what can only be described as an act of blatant pandering, these two turkeys sought to win the support of Iowans across the state by naming themselves, corn and cob."

lol Trump can be adorable.

[Baler]

https://youtu.be/gGPHO7b0E8A?t=486

"In what can only be described as an act of blatant pandering, these two turkeys sought to win the support of Iowans across the state by naming themselves, corn and cob."

lol Trump can be adorable.

just a couple of turkeys. lol :o good one

ps. as a turkey hunter. Turkeys are ugly birds. Turkey Vultures are even more ugly.

[douglas1999]

https://youtu.be/gGPHO7b0E8A?t=486

"In what can only be described as an act of blatant pandering, these two turkeys sought to win the support of Iowans across the state by naming themselves, corn and cob."

lol Trump can be adorable.

lmao, see, he's not orange hitler. He's a doofus comedian who fell ass-backward into the presidency. Things are gonna be so boring and predictable with biden. His cabinet is basically exactly the same as obama's. What a trailblazing rebel!

[Woke Locc]

Hahaha, of course. You're on the good guy team! Is this how a five year old thinks? Yes, but who cares? You're very self assured and feel very good about yourself for being on the good guy team. *riots happen and innocent people are beaten and killed and minority owned businesses are burned down* Then you go: "Wellllll, we have to understand their anger!".

The actual good guy team is a coalition of people who are willing to call out their own side when they fuck up, and be charitable to people they disagree with. Doesn't matter if you come from the left or right. Tribal doofuses who think purely in binary are holding everything back.

I tried yelling at the rioters on here, but nobody heard me I guess.

The right will never give you credit so don't bother trying.

Meanwhile you folks went all in on defending Rioting Rittenhouse.

[Woke Locc]

Well look, no measure is too drastic to prevent people getting this virus that kills almost nobody who gets it.

There is literally no mainstream discourse about *how* a death is attributed to covid. 250k dead!! Well, how many of them had co-morbidities? Oh almost all of them. So, okay, at what point do you ask "Is it fair to attribute this person's death to covid? They were 80 and had advanced diabetes. A bad cold could have killed them too.". The way this issue is being portrayed and responded to is so completely incongruous with the way we treat literally any other disease.

You will never be safe from disease. You'll never be safe from risk in life generally. If this was actually airborne ebola you could make a much more convincing case for these lockdowns, but it's *not*. People cannot get this through their heads, it's just shockingly retarded.

Mortality boards are concerned with what did kill them, not what could have killed them. Seek Christ.

[douglas1999]

I tried yelling at the rioters on here, but nobody heard me I guess.

The right will never give you credit so don't bother trying.

Meanwhile you folks went all in on defending Rioting Rittenhouse.

If you did, good on you. Everyone should condemn wanton destruction and mindless violence.

Rittenhouse defended his own life against people who were trying to kill him. People get really hung up on this issue because he was 17 and wasn't legally carrying. Well, chasing somebody down who is clearly attempting to retreat with a mob behind you and smashing him over the head with a skateboard is *also* not legal. That's called violent assault, if not attempted murder. Why the hell do people still think this is a grey area case? It was clearly self defense on his part. He didn't shoot anybody until he was forced to by their actions.

If you wanna charge the dude with illegal carry of a firearm, by all means please do. If you wanna charge him with premeditated murder, you're a fuckin retard.

[Woke Locc]

If you did, good on you. Everyone should condemn wanton destruction and mindless violence.

Rittenhouse defended his own life against people who were trying to kill him. People get really hung up on this issue because he was 17 and wasn't legally carrying. Well, chasing somebody down who is clearly attempting to retreat with a mob behind you and smashing him over the head with a skateboard is *also* not legal. That's called violent assault, if not attempted murder. Why the hell do people still think this is a grey area case? It was clearly self defense on his part. He didn't shoot anybody until he was forced to by their actions.

If you wanna charge the dude with illegal carry of a firearm, by all means please do. If you wanna charge him with premeditated murder, you're a fuckin retard.

Rittenhouse and Reinhoel serve the same beast.

[douglas1999]

Mortality boards are concerned with what did kill them, not what could have killed them. Seek Christ.

Great, that wasn't my point. My point was that we do not and have never responded this way to literally any other communicable disease. This response is hysterical and borderline paranoid-schizophrenic. Why are we responding this way to this one? If you have a good answer to that question I'd love to hear it.

[douglas1999]

Rittenhouse and Reinhoel serve the same beast.

No that is an absolutely ridiculous equivocation. Rittenhouse showed up to clean graffiti and protect innocent businesses from rioters. People began chasing him after he put out a literal dumpster fire with a fire extinguisher. He was carrying a medical pack to treat anybody who might be injured. Criticize him for having a bit of a superman complex, that's fair.

Reinhold literally stalked and murdered a guy for being a trump supporter. He was not *forced* into it, he snuck up behind the guy. Rittenhouse was attempting to run away and flee, and used his firearm only when he had no other choice. How do you think these things are the same? That is completely batshit insane.

[Baler]

Great, that wasn't my point. My point was that we do not and have never responded this way to literally any other communicable disease. This response is hysterical and borderline paranoid-schizophrenic. Why are we responding this way to this one? If you have a good answer to that question I'd love to hear it.

He does the same thing to me. You ever hear the sayings?:
The nail that sticks out gets hammered down
or
If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.

I'm starting to believe that's how he thinks.
if you catch my drift.

[Woke Locc]

No that is an absolutely ridiculous equivocation. Rittenhouse showed up to clean graffiti and protect innocent businesses from rioters. People began chasing him after he put out a literal dumpster fire with a fire extinguisher. He was carrying a medical pack to treat anybody who might be injured. Criticize him for having a bit of a superman complex, that's fair.

Reinhold literally stalked and murdered a guy for being a trump supporter. He was not *forced* into it, he snuck up behind the guy. Rittenhouse was attempting to run away and flee, and used his firearm only when he had no other choice. How do you think these things are the same? That is completely batshit insane.

Why defend rioter? Why defend murderer?

[Woke Locc]

He does the same thing to me. You ever hear the sayings?:

or


I'm starting to believe that's how he thinks.
if you catch my drift.

He's talking about the response to covid, not my excellent and very good post. Sorry your panties are in a twist.

[Baler]

He's talking about the response to covid, not my excellent and very good post. Sorry your panties are in a twist.
I'm not your Comrade.

[Woke Locc]

I'm not your Comrade.

I'm not playing soldier-pretend-hour, this is the internet.

[Baler]

I'm not playing soldier-pretend-hour, this is the internet.

I'm referring to an ideology.
I don't larp, hope this helps.

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In other news. Someone put a 2001 style monolith out in Utah lol

https://i.imgur.com/QltBthL.jpg

[Trexller]

Meanwhile you folks went all in on defending Rioting Rittenhouse.

That kid posesses the TRUE American spirit:

If you fuck with my country, I'm gonna fuck you up.

For every monument destroyed, for every property burned and looted, every conservative beaten in the streets, for every small business owner gone destitute having been looted or forced to shutter,

1000 Rittenhouses are born.

We. Are. Everywhere.

[Baler]

We. Are. Everywhere.

They don't realize this because we don't go out to censor people or cause them physical harm. We don't burn down businesses when we don't get our way. We don't attack elderly people or women and children when they say something we disagree with. A majority of us just want to be left alone to live our lives without government or other people telling us how to live it.

[Trexller]

They don't realize this because we don't go out to censor people or cause them physical harm. We don't burn down businesses when we don't get our way. We don't attack elderly people or women and children when they say something we disagree with. A majority of us just want to be left alone to live our lives without government or other people telling us how to live it.

They will realize it when they are faced with a ACTUAL real threat. Not trump, not "racism", not climate change.

"My Side" is trained to live off the land, trained to navigate with just a map/compass, trained in mechanical fields, We Are Trained To Shoot, and We have been buying guns and ammo in unprecedented amounts.

"Their Side" is only trained to dress men up as anime girls.

gee i wonder, which side comes out on top in the end.

[Woke Locc]

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[Trexller]

https://i.imgur.com/JpRbHIZ.gif

Speaking only for myself, No i am not threatening, I am promising.

[Woke Locc]

Speaking only for myself, No i am not threatening, I am promising.

😬

[FatherSioux]

In an actual Civil War it would be laughable. The Right would trounce. White guys with money, guns and education, backed up by other white guys with guns who are less educated but love this country. Contrast that with the Left...yeah GG.

[BarnabusCollins]

Ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars. All these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet come.

Who stands at the end, and can see the beginning?

When you see the one that was not born of mammon, fall on your faces and worship; That one is your Father.
(This a clue-could God look like us, but not be from flesh? To him that hath an ear, let him (her) hear.

Assuredly, I say to you, in as much as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.
Therefore, bless others, do not curse.

[Trexller]

Ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars. All these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet come.Who stands at the end, and can see the beginning?When you see the one that was not born of mammon, fall on your faces and worship; That one is your Father.(This a clue-could God look like us, but not be from flesh? To him that hath an ear, let him (her) hear.Assuredly, I say to you, in as much as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.

I dunno about that mess but I can sum it up another way:

My Side:
https://i.imgur.com/ulY9NIO.jpghttp://

Their Side:
https://i.imgur.com/wLWDZ8V.jpg

[imperiouskitten]

In an actual Civil War it would be laughable. The Right would trounce. White guys with money, guns and education, backed up by other white guys with guns who are less educated but love this country. Contrast that with the Left...yeah GG.

deep thots lol. good thing i liek white men and the local hundred millionaire militia enthusiast guy keeps trying to smash :)




Hey guys looks like it's all over! Biden won. I bet the other way myself.

[Evia]

I dunno about that mess but I can sum it up another way:

My Side:
https://i.imgur.com/ulY9NIO.jpghttp://

Their Side:
https://i.imgur.com/wLWDZ8V.jpg

Lol irl

[Trexller]

Hey guys looks like it's all over! Biden won.

My troubled friend, This is how it Begins.

[BarnabusCollins]

"that mess" is all the hope anyone ever has.

[Baler]

Their plan isn't to take our guns away. They know how that would end.
Their plan is to make it so expensive to own a gun and buy ammo that only the rich can do so. And bind up the process with excess paperwork that is unneeded.

For starters Beware Biden's "$200" Gun Tax.

[Trexller]

Their plan isn't to take our guns away. They know how that would end.
Their plan is to make it so expensive to own a gun and buy ammo that only the rich can do so.

Fortunately those of us that pay attention have already stockpiled, and are banking that chemical propellants in ammo won't go inert in our lifetime.

[imperiouskitten]

My troubled friend, This is how it Begins.

May I ask what It is which is Beginning? :)

[Baler]

Fortunately those of us that pay attention have already stockpiled, and are banking that chemical propellants in ammo won't go inert in our lifetime.

Biden/Harris want to tax you on every gun and magazine you ALREADY legally own!

Not only would this cost many of us thousands of dollars but we'd then be put on yet another special list.

There are over 400 million legal guns in America and trillions of rounds of ammunition.
US citizens own more firearms than the entire worlds military combined. (small arms)

Police have around a million firearms for comparison.
It's been estimated that there are 16 million AR-15s and AK-47s in civilian hands. And that's just those specific models.

[BarnabusCollins]

Their plan isn't to take our guns away. They know how that would end.
Their plan is to make it so expensive to own a gun and buy ammo that only the rich can do so. And bind up the process with excess paperwork that is unneeded.

For starters Beware Biden's "$200" Gun Tax.

Peter, put down the sword! Those that live by the sword will die by the sword!

[feniin]

lol the panic over things that haven't and won't happen.

[Trexller]

Biden/Harris want to tax you on every gun and magazine you ALREADY legally own!

Not only would this cost many of us thousands of dollars but we'd then be put on yet another special list.

There are over 400 million legal guns in America and trillions of rounds of ammunition.
US citizens own more firearms than the entire worlds military combined. (small arms)

Police have around a million firearms for comparison.

Let em try it. This would require the same effort as gun confiscation. Nobody is gonna pay it, and you cannot arrest everyone. Look at the riots occurring under covid restrictions. Also how are you gonna prove that I own the guns that i registered at purchase? I'll report em all stolen. That is, just the registered ones...

[Baler]

Let em try it. This would require the same effort as gun confiscation. Nobody is gonna pay it, and you cannot arrest everyone. Look at the riots occurring under covid restrictions. Also how are you gonna prove that I own the guns that i registered at purchase? I'll report em all stolen. That is, just the registered ones...

While the NRA sits on their thumb GOA is fighting for your right!
https://gunowners.org/

It saddens me to see how the NRA has changed to become a way to line the nra leaders pockets.

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Also they changed the 4473 recently which could be used to database users, which is federally illegal currently. I'm not saying they will do this but the change creates this thought, that it could be abused.

[Trexller]

May I ask what It is which is Beginning? :)

Beauty, across the face of the earth.

However beauty resides in the eye of the beholder.

[imperiouskitten]

Beauty, across the face of the earth.

However beauty resides in the eye of the beholder.

Well, that sounds nice. Do you like sparkling sunsets and pristine forests? And White ppl and classical music? If so sounds gr8 :):p

[BarnabusCollins]

Light that shines not from a star will light up the New Earth. How amazing.
I guess that makes God himself the "New Heaven"
This earthly 'heaven' is neat to look at, the crab nebula is cool. But there is no life in it.
It's all dead.

The meek will inherit the Earth revealed - everyone who suffers death becomes the Meek.

The inherited Earth is not the one we live on. A New Earth. (not in the universe)

Where I go you cannot go, Jesus said. Even at warp speed ahead.

How fast can a spirit with 0 mass travel?

[Trexller]

Well, that sounds nice. Do you like sparkling sunsets and pristine forests? And White ppl and classical music? If so sounds gr8 :):p

Things like this:

https://i.imgur.com/q4aQSTq.gif

[Jibartik]

If you cant agree that Rittenhouse was a rioter that brought a gun to a riot and nothing more.

If you cant agree that trump bungled the virus and wearing masks and social distancing are indeed good for the economy.

If you cant agree that Biden is an incoherent man with no plan or idea how to achieve any goals whatsoever.

If you cant agree on those 3 things, you should not be lecturing anyone on being a far left or right extremist.

[imperiouskitten]

how would they even tax you for guns you already own? There's no record of most of the guns that exist. In the west coast anyway you can buy and sell guns freely to private partners without any written records.

Sounds like you chose to live somewhere pretty servile if you won't be able to just hide what you've got. :)

[imperiouskitten]

Things like this:

https://i.imgur.com/q4aQSTq.gif

awesome I love that too and I look like that in a belly shirt (but redhead ;) )

[Trexller]

If you cant agree that Rittenhouse was a rioter that brought a gun to a riot and nothing more.

If you cant agree that trump bungled the virus and wearing masks and social distancing are indeed good for the economy.

If you cant agree that Biden is an incoherent man with no plan or idea how to achieve any goals whatsoever.

If you cant agree on those 3 things, you should not be lecturing anyone on being a far left or right extremist.

Rittenhouse is a hero who attempted to selflessly guard private businesses when no one else would. Not the police, not the feds, and not even you.

What would ANYONE else have done differently than trump with regard to the virus? I mean, aside from the Lefty Commie draconian lockdowns, unprecedented quarantining of the healthy, and placing covid patients among the most immune compromised population?

But yeah Biden/Harris is the dem version of Bush/Cheney

[Baler]

What would ANYONE else have done differently than trump with regard to the virus?

hindsight is 20 20 :)

[imperiouskitten]

Rittenhouse is a hero who attempted to selflessly guard private businesses when no one else would. Not the police, not the feds, and not even you.

What would ANYONE else have done differently than trump with regard to the virus? I mean, aside from the draconian lockdowns, unprecedented quarantining of the healthy, and placing covid patients among the most immune compromised population?

But yeah Biden/Harris is the dem version of Bush/Cheney

I can give you a list of things I'd have done differently, for instance mandating the covering of produce at the supermarket and funding upgrades of air purification systems (since allegedly the air purification on airplanes makes them pretty darn safe). And that's not hindsight; I've been screaming at my TV all frickin year. I would quite literally have been much much better than Fauci at this. I tend to think Trump was willing to do whatever was called for, but nobody in our leadership structures stepped up at the critical time.

Under Hillary we would probably have had an early mask mandate, which would have improved things quite a bit. We would have had a second stimulus by now too. But I do think these are the only things that would be different, and we would have closed travel to China much later too. And, we'd also be on the ground in Syria so I dunno. I can't see being enthusiastic about any of our electoral options unless dumb. There's nothing insightful at all in the Biden covid plan. The only "accomplishment" of Trump is in the culture war, and now that he's saddled us with another Russiagate that will rot our brains even further I am pretty sad about his operations in that theatre too. Now both sets of people who identify with a "side" of our horrific politics are full-on conspiracy cults.

[Trexller]

I can give you a list of things I'd have done differently, for instance mandating the covering of produce at the supermarket and funding upgrades of air purification systems (since allegedly the air purification on airplanes makes them pretty darn safe). And that's not hindsight; I've been screaming at my TV all frickin year.

Under Hillary we would probably have had an early mask mandate, which would have improved things quite a bit. But I do think that's the only thing that would be different, and we would have closed travel to China much later too. And, we'd also be on the ground in Syria so I dunno.

So, you would have done things which would result in feel-good-politics but in the real world have only the most minimal effect on virus transmission? This 99.7% survival rate virus?

100 years from now, we will know how we could have mitigated it better. Nobody has any ideas that are better than others, because nobody knows what they are doing, Not WHO not CDC not Fauci not Birx not Adhanom not trump not biden not big bird not you not me.


In 2020, 2021 and 2022 at the very least, the debate will continue to rage. At this early stage, nothing can be proved, and if you cannot prove it, You are Debating Philosophy, not hard science.

[Jibartik]

Who did this cat vote for? https://youtu.be/kCq_q_1F_OY

[imperiouskitten]

So, you would have done things which would result in feel-good-politics but in the real world have only the most minimal effect on virus transmission? This 99.7% survival rate virus?

100 years from now, we will know how we could have mitigated it better. Nobody has any ideas that are better than others, because nobody knows what they are doing, Not WHO not CDC not Fauci not Birx not Adhanom not trump not biden not big bird not you not me.


In 2020, 2021 and 2022 at the very least, the debate will continue to rage. At this early stage, nothing can be proved, and if you cannot prove it, You are Debating Philosophy, not hard science.

Supermarkets are the primary vector of transmission location-wise, I have seen studied. I think it's pretty disingenuous to just throw out two very obvious means to mitigating transmission in those places and call it feel-good and pretend there is no way of knowing or testing until later. Contaminated food sitting open in the air in every supermarket store is an extremely obvious vector of transmission. Covering that produce is a very low-cost means to potentially saving many lives. Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with attempting a number of means of mitigating the spread of the virus and later discovering that some were less effective than others. What you advocate instead is to do nothing, which is the only thing "hard science" can prove definitively unhelpful. If we had gone out on a limb and actually done some things, we might have better options than sitting at home in lockdown doing nada.

I do actually have a better idea of what I am doing than some. For example, I knew that Fauci's early comments on masks doing nothing were falacious because I understood that viral particles tend to travel in water droplets which are much larger than a single viral particle. I understood this intuitively, without needing the data which later proved Fauci wrong. There are people who are better intuitive thinkers than others, and science is not merely trial and error but also educated guess.

[Trexller]

I never understood the purpose of shuttering small business and then funneling everyone into walmart, home depot and kroger.

How is this not a purposeful superspreader action? Instead of people distancing themselves by shopping in smaller stores, our genius leadership class put everyone in the same 3 places, pretty much guaranteeing that people infect each other.

Although I suppose this was necessary to spread this 99.7 survival rate virus in order to engineer the narrative that something bad is coming for us and that only Andrew Cuomo can save us. They gave him an emmy for putting covid patients in nursing homes. It saved us all.

[Jibartik]

hindsight is 20 20 :)

Please, you and I both know that I haven't changed my opinion on masks and social distancing and that if we practiced it in Jan we'd be out buying food in locally owned grocery stores today.


Don't try to pretend like the solution isn't obvious. It's a cold not Cthulhu. Its easy to avoid colds using common sense. Pretending masks make you Muslim is not common sense.

edit: here is proof I am right: https://youtu.be/1KZCltPHvqk

now after clicking dont you feel better than rehashing page 10-300 of the PRE election thread & 200 page virus thread? :p

[imperiouskitten]

Please, you and I both know that I haven't changed my opinion on masks and social distancing and that if we practiced it in Jan we'd be out buying food in locally owned grocery stores today.


Don't try to pretend like the solution isn't obvious. It's a cold not Cthulhu. Its easy to avoid colds using common sense. Pretending masks make you Muslim is not common sense.

edit: here is proof I am right: https://youtu.be/1KZCltPHvqk

now after clicking dont you feel better than rehashing page 10-300 of the PRE election thread & 200 page virus thread? :p

Argument from ignorance is about all they've got. Because taking any precautions means admitting they are wrong to take the hardline of completely ignoring the effects of this deadly virus.

Take this slimeball above me repeatedly referencing the 99.7% survival rate as though engineering our society to save those .3%, not to mention limit the spread of future influenza etc., not to mention protect ourselves and NOT be ravaged by bioterrorism to the tune of many millions in the future is just not worth the effort. Those lives just don't count because the proportions in this disease currently affecting us are small. Even though 250,000 is a huge number. And nobody knows anything anyway, and it's impossible to make inferences, so why bother?

It's the cry of the stupid man who is loath to admit that the smart man is smarter. Who cannot comprehend that his political philosophy is and has cost innocent lives, and so must respond with virulent indignation. There's blood on the hands of the medical luddites today, and they will probably enter a lifetime of ever-grander delusionality to escape the implications of their mass foolishness upon our democracy.

[Trexller]

here is proof I am right

so its proven because some schmucks wrote down some data then some other schmucks looked it over and said "yeah sounds right"

We're only 9 months into this shit, nothing has been "proven" nor will it be for quite some time. There isn't even an effective vaccine for sars-cov-2, and they have had 18 years to work it out. So the idea of a viable and effective sars-cov-19 vaccine in the same year is rather unbelievable. Gonna continue scoffing at my boy Trump on that one.

This applies to everyone who has uttered a "covid fact"

[FatherSioux]

LimpKitten, care to explain why we don't always lock ourselves inside and avoid human contact in order to save human lives? Surely we would save lives if we all just stopped seeing eachother face to face.

[Jibartik]

Argument from ignorance is about all they've got. Because taking any precautions means admitting they are wrong to take the hardline of completely ignoring the effects of this deadly virus.

Take this slimeball above me

Well, im not as mad about it as I used to be, if Ii catch covid in the next 9 months I will be god dammit but whatever, there aint nothing we can do about it now.

If you are mad at least you can revel in the thought that the election was lost because of that same 97% messaging.

[Jibartik]

Oops

[imperiouskitten]

LimpKitten, care to explain why we don't always lock ourselves inside and avoid human contact in order to save human lives? Surely we would save lives if we all just stopped seeing eachother face to face.

Because surrendering the world to avoid a small amount of influenza death is not worthwhile. Notice that I am calling for active measures that would reduce the necessity of lockdowns -- not lockdowns.

This pandemic, whose origin is inconclusive, is proof that we must adjust our way of life and sanitary practices to cope with our vulnerability to infectious disease. Larger, more interconnected world. Larger pool from which to conjure up new contagions. Which can and will be engineered and spread by state actors for geopolitical ends, too. Demanding that we install toilets and running water in every building is not surrendering the world and human contact; it is demanding a higher standard of hygiene from our civilization than that in Brazil. The fact is, I take a militarist position on this virus, which offers a rather low-impact drill for dealing with biological hazard, and I argue with each of you do-nothing defeatists from the right. Our laziness in the confrontation of this issue will cost us many lives in the next one, you know. We should have developed the protocols to kill the thing within our territory. We should be able to achieve the same feats the Chinese achieve, then be better than them by de-escalating to a freer posture after beating the threat. But for you, it is too much work. Because it will impact the quarterly profits of the institutions which pay the people from whom you get your political "philosophy".

[BarnabusCollins]

Yall do know all the president does is veto a bill or sign it, right? Executive Orders are not common, except for under Bush II. Trump put his prized position of worldly power (that he received from Satan) and made the Chinese Bat Virus a joke. His attorney was IN ON 9/11. These people are all cultists that received their money and power from Satan. You should focus on number 1, your loved ones, and God, and nothing more.

Thank you Lord, that's exactly what I plan to do.

[Jibartik]

LimpKitten, care to explain why we don't always lock ourselves inside and avoid human contact in order to save human lives? Surely we would save lives if we all just stopped seeing eachother face to face.

hehe "care to explain why we would risk all the jobs in the tobacco industry and tanking the grocery store economy that thrives on tobacco sale because you think cancer and heart disease is caused by ciggarret smoke?"

reminder, those two are the ones that baler used to compare to covid LOL

[Trexller]

These people are all cultists that received their money and power from Satan.

Some dude named Satan will just hand out money and power?

How do i contact this benevolent hero?

[imperiouskitten]

Yall do know all the president does is veto a bill or sign it, right? Executive Orders are not common, except for under Bush II. Trump put his prized position of worldly power (that he received from Satan) and made the Chinese Bat Virus a joke. His attorney was IN ON 9/11. These people are all cultists that received their money and power from Satan. You should focus on number 1, your loved ones, and God, and nothing more.

Thank you Lord, that's exactly what I plan to do.

Obama used them extensively too. They're a feature of life now.

[Jibartik]

lol you know what's funny? ratio of these boards:

40% right
10% left
50% actually in the middle.

but the 50% that are in the middle get called the 10% that are far left by the other 40% if you dont believe everything that trump has said lmao

[douglas1999]

Love the constant conflation of being against lockdowns with being against masks. One of us makes a very straightforward point: "How is destroying the livlihoods of hundreds of thousands of business owners, who depend on their business to feed their families, justified by the relatively minor threat posed by a disease that is marginally worse than a bad flu season?"

And the response is: "Look wearing masks isn't that hard".

No shit, you still haven't answered the first question, because you can't, because it makes no god damned sense.

[BarnabusCollins]

And then I remembered, my loved ones died. Therefore, I shall pour out my wrath upon Satan.

The days of the Devil at peace have come to and end.

[douglas1999]

hehe "care to explain why we would risk all the jobs in the tobacco industry and tanking the grocery store economy that thrives on tobacco sale because you think cancer and heart disease is caused by ciggarret smoke?"

reminder, those two are the ones that baler used to compare to covid LOL

What? This makes no sense. We could just make cigarettes illegal but we don't. We allow people to take risks. This is a completely incoherent comparison on so many levels.

And what is the "grocery store economy that thrives on tobacco sale"?? Grocery stores thrive on the sale of groceries. What are you talking about?

[Jibartik]

yeah because it's a stupid question:

"whyu is stomping on baby skulls a good solutoin"

I never would argue that so why do you demand that i argue that?????????

I dont care about states shutting down it is irrelevant to me.

The reason states are shutting down are because you wouldnt wear a mask.

The reason the economy is crashing is because you wouldnt ask for a stimulus check from your president.

[imperiouskitten]

Love the constant conflation of being against lockdowns with being against masks. One of us makes a very straightforward point: "How is destroying the livlihoods of hundreds of thousands of business owners, who depend on their business to feed their families, justified by the relatively minor threat posed by a disease that is marginally worse than a bad flu season?"

And the response is: "Look wearing masks isn't that hard".

No shit, you still haven't answered the first question, because you can't, because it makes no god damned sense.

Who are you talking about/to? You're calling a straw man a straw-manner. :p

[imperiouskitten]

yeah because it's a stupid question:

"whyu is stomping on baby skulls a good solutoin"

I never would argue that so why do you demand that i argue that?????????

I dont care about states shutting down it is irrelevant to me.

The reason states are shutting down are because you wouldnt wear a mask.

The reason the economy is crashing is because you wouldnt ask for a stimulus check from your president.

that guy is so dumb it's impossible to communicate with him at all. I'm here to flirt with u & Trexller :p

[Jibartik]

It's like the fire department is letting a house burn because when they got there it was too late, it was totally engulfed so they just have to contain it.

But you, the person holding the matches, who refused to call the fire department because you thought the fire would burn itself out, is like "why are you not putting the fire out!?! how could you be so stupid!?!"

[BarnabusCollins]

I just made an eternal angel with super-worldly power fall on its face and worship me.

Never ever ever ever ever accept sin. Ever. From anything.

Right is right.
Wrong is wrong.
Two wrong's don't make a right.

Never accept sin at ANY level.

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/FF3qvWv.png

[Jibartik]

that guy is so dumb it's impossible to communicate with him at all. I'm here to flirt with u & Trexller :p

doug is my best friend! he is just mixed up about this stupid covid thing :D

[imperiouskitten]

I just made an eternal angel with super-worldly power fall on its face and worship me.

Never ever ever ever ever accept sin. Ever. From anything.

Right is right.
Wrong is wrong.
Two wrong's don't make a right.

Never accept sin at ANY level.

too tru. I even stuck with the man who took my V card. we are married, in God's eyes.

[imperiouskitten]

doug is my best friend! he is just mixed up about this stupid covid thing :D

I'm best friends with dummies too don't worry :p I'd never ostracize an incel! too cruel

[douglas1999]

yeah because it's a stupid question:

"whyu is stomping on baby skulls a good solutoin"

I never would argue that so why do you demand that i argue that?????????

I dont care about states shutting down it is irrelevant to me.

The reason states are shutting down are because you wouldnt wear a mask.

The reason the economy is crashing is because you wouldnt ask for a stimulus check from your president.

Haha what? Jesus christ, I have stated a billion times that I have no problem wearing a mask. I'm not convinced it does very much if it's not an N-95, but I still do it.

Let me rephrase the fundamental question yet again: Covid barely kills more people than a bad flu season. We do not shut everything down and put thousands of people out of work to control a bad flu season. Why then, are we doing this for covid? What makes it magically different? All of these allegations about how I don't care about the miniscule amount of people who actually die from it are totally unfounded smears. Of course I care when people die, but life is a game of trade offs. You will never be safe from everything. I didn't hide inside my house for a year last time there was a bad flu. I find it particularly callous that you don't care about people who have spent their entire life building their own business being permanently shuttered because of a disease that kills almost nobody that it infects. This is pure insanity and completely illogical, and you guys cannot seem to answer it without baseless attacks.

I'm not hard to communicate with, I communicate completely clearly and carefully.

[Danth]

Why then, are we doing this for covid?

I suspect a lot of governments quietly believe it potentially originated in a Chinese weapons lab. Such a belief would explain their panic, regardless of its accuracy, and it's also something they would never openly admit to for fear of creating even greater public turmoil.

Danth

[Jibartik]

lol what https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_orpeenBXVk

me: The end the end!

https://i.imgur.com/jtNkb0K.png

[Trexller]

I'm here to flirt with u & Trexller :p

I think that deep down, in your soul of souls, You like girls.

So much so that the attraction became obesssion, and obsession led to emulation.

Not to worry, as you plunge down Alice's rabbit hole, (literally/figuratively) you will eventually loop back around to straight.

But, having already transitioned, you will end up a lesbian.

[BiG SiP]

the rabbit hole costs extra

[imperiouskitten]

I suspect a lot of governments quietly believe it potentially originated in a Chinese weapons lab. Such a belief would explain their panic, regardless of its accuracy, and it's also something they would never openly admit to for fear of creating even greater public turmoil.

Danth

The only way to confirm it is man-made would be espionage, but I am a biologist and can confirm that the composition of the virus is very hard-to-believe unlikely, meanwhile being something within the human capacity to engineer. It is a spliced-together composite of several common viruses including HIV. The mechanism for doing this exists in the wild as well as in the laboratory; there are no novel proteins involved (humans cannot design original proteins yet). Medical professionals are loath to admit this possibility because of a prevailing aversion to conspiracy theories, but the fact is that there is an unfalsifiable and plausible possibility that this virus escaped from the Wuhan bioweapons laboratory near the initial hotspot. Whether it is manmade or not, anyone in a security position understanding that it could be would certainly be motivated to develop a protocol which can stop the spread.

I also agree that there would be a strong incentive not to admit it to the public even if it were confirmed to be Chinese-made, as it would unravel state control of the narrative and all-but-guarantee hostilities with China, not to mention giving life to tons of conspiracy theories about hidden capabilities of the virus and starting a much more difficult to control panic.

[Jibartik]

Covid barely kills more people than a bad flu season.

Wrong.gif, but why go down this rabbit hole you know how i feel weve had this same conversation 100 times.

You and I see somethings differently. Like literally. Like you'll extrapolate things that I wouldn't to justify your argument and I will extrapolate things that you wouldn't to justify mine from the same exact data.

One of is is right, neither of us are going to convince each other because we're extrapolating from the same data. Just coming do different conclusions. And since we've ahd this exact discussion already if I didnt convince you before I aint gonna now! :cool:

[BiG SiP]

I suspect a lot of governments quietly believe it potentially originated in a Chinese weapons lab. Such a belief would explain their panic, regardless of its accuracy, and it's also something they would never openly admit to for fear of creating even greater public turmoil.

Danth

whoa what if sci fi is real and we're living in it

[Jibartik]

whoa what if sci fi is real and we're living in it

that's my fetisH!

[BiG SiP]

about time you guys figured out im an AI programmed to troll

[imperiouskitten]

whoa what if sci fi is real and we're living in it

a twisted, gross version of the chat boards from Ender's Game and Neuromancer caused Donald Trump to get elected POTUS. i am also a hot cyb0rg waifu. i'd say we entered cyberpunk proper some time ago now. engineered bioweapons are definitely possible; they arent even fictional tech.

[BiG SiP]

thanks a lot peter
way to let wintermute loose

[imperiouskitten]

peter hella hot

[douglas1999]

Wrong.gif, but why go down this rabbit hole you know how i feel weve had this same conversation 100 times.

You and I see somethings differently. Like literally. Like you'll extrapolate things that I wouldn't to justify your argument and I will extrapolate things that you wouldn't to justify mine from the same exact data.

One of is is right, neither of us are going to convince each other because we're extrapolating from the same data. Just coming do different conclusions. And since we've ahd this exact discussion already if I didnt convince you before I aint gonna now! :cool:

I encourage you to think more about this. You still didn't answer the question. Don't cop out. Let's say for the sake of argument, every single covid death is 100% attributable to covid and nothing else. 250k. And you might say it would be a lot higher than that if not for masking, social distancing and lockdowns. Well a simple way to test that is to look at places that did not lock down. The dakotas didn't, florida has lifted all covid restrictions for about two months now, and Sweden never locked down at all. They do not have alarmingly higher rates of death.

Now consider the collateral effects of locking down. Small businesses, restaurants, bars, mom and pop stores have been forced to permanently close as a result. Those are human beings with families. Is this worth it? Is this response justified when you consider those people? It's ironic because now everybody is buying from big box corporations. Amazon is getting rich as hell, walmart, target, google. The left used to be opposed to these things. Apparently now it is punk rock and rebellious to make rich people richer and poor people poorer! Also depression, suicide, alcoholism, drug addiction are all way up. These all tax the medical infrastructure as well. It's a really simple cost\benefit analysis, and I'm asking you why you think the cost is worth the benefit with regard to covid.

It's easy to just lap up whatever daddy media tells you is correct and not question it, but nothing is ever that simple, and when you think critically and skeptically about what is happening it makes less and less sense.

[Jibartik]

I did answered the question 50 fricken times in the other threads in 50 different ways under 50 different hypothetical scenarios just like the one you describe here.

You keep talking abotu the economy aspect of this pandemic and your daddy president is the one that fucked that up im sick of explaining that to you. He could have done something to keep the economy intact but you guys and he, didnt want to, because he thought it would look bad and cost him the election if the economy was shut down. Well look what it got him LOL!

Meanwhile all the things you're talkinga bout us draconian communists were like freeze mortages, stop rents, help people shut down the economy, so we can survive this. And you guys were like Hurrr its a flu you're dumb summer will fix it.

Wtf do you care about that stuff for anyway?? We told you the economy was going to suffer if you didn't quit crying about it and nutted up and wore a mask and took it seriously. But nooooooo. Well there you are, holding the matches.

I already said I would be ok with arresting every person who said not to wear masks and incinerating you in my gulags if I were king. But I realize that is extreme so I leave it to the professionals.

[cd288]

I encourage you to think more about this. You still didn't answer the question. Don't cop out. Let's say for the sake of argument, every single covid death is 100% attributable to covid and nothing else. 250k. And you might say it would be a lot higher than that if not for masking, social distancing and lockdowns. Well a simple way to test that is to look at places that did not lock down. The dakotas didn't, florida has lifted all covid restrictions for about two months now, and Sweden never locked down at all. They do not have alarmingly higher rates of death.

Now consider the collateral effects of locking down. Small businesses, restaurants, bars, mom and pop stores have been forced to permanently close as a result. Those are human beings with families. Is this worth it? Is this response justified when you consider those people? It's ironic because now everybody is buying from big box corporations. Amazon is getting rich as hell, walmart, target, google. The left used to be opposed to these things. Apparently now it is punk rock and rebellious to make rich people richer and poor people poorer! Also depression, suicide, alcoholism, drug addiction are all way up. These all tax the medical infrastructure as well. It's a really simple cost\benefit analysis, and I'm asking you why you think the cost is worth the benefit with regard to covid.

It's easy to just lap up whatever daddy media tells you is correct and not question it, but nothing is ever that simple, and when you think critically and skeptically about what is happening it makes less and less sense.

Dude you are honestly just like a bad person. All forum shit talking aside, I wouldn’t usually call someone a bad person but based on all of your comments you are really just that. You’re a selfish, self interested individual who parrots right wing shit and has no consideration for anyone who has been harmed (or will be harmed) by the downplaying and politicization from people like you and your misinformation-providing sources.

You are honestly just a bad person.

[BiG SiP]

Dude you are honestly just like a bad person. All forum shit talking aside, I wouldn’t usually call someone a bad person but based on all of your comments you are really just that. You’re a selfish, self interested individual who parrots right wing shit and has no consideration for anyone who has been harmed (or will be harmed) by the downplaying and politicization from people like you and your misinformation-providing sources.

You are honestly just a bad person.

[Trexller]

Welllll things sort of took a darker turn...

So about Trump and other politicians and things they do that you like or dont like.

Or why wont Trump concede the election?

Discuss.

[Jibartik]

Those dastardly Corn & Cob bewildered the people with their adorable monikers

[Topgunben]

Dude you are honestly just like a bad person. All forum shit talking aside, I wouldn’t usually call someone a bad person but based on all of your comments you are really just that. You’re a selfish, self interested individual who parrots right wing shit and has no consideration for anyone who has been harmed (or will be harmed) by the downplaying and politicization from people like you and your misinformation-providing sources.

You are honestly just a bad person.

Someone has a difference in opinion, which is similar to that shared by the people of Sweden and you just label them as a bad person. Talk about intellectual laziness.

[reznor_]

Sweden didn't have to lock down because they aren't Americans. Average Americans are dumb as fucking fuck. Wearing a mask isn't the same as being a slave, as being told to do do by a Nazi regime, or anything else. It's laughably pathetic. We could have avoided most lockdowns entirely if people just wore masks and distanced, but no, "muh freedoms". But apparently being asked to wear a mask to prevent the spread of a disease to your fellow citizen is too much. Fucking dumbasses.

[Nuggie]

Do what the government tells you to. They know best.

Sounds the like opinion of a commie.

[Ripqozko]

Sweden didn't have to lock down because they aren't Americans. Average Americans are dumb as fucking fuck. Wearing a mask isn't the same as being a slave, as being told to do do by a Nazi regime, or anything else. It's laughably pathetic. We could have avoided most lockdowns entirely if people just wore masks and distanced, but no, "muh freedoms". But apparently being asked to wear a mask to prevent the spread of a disease to your fellow citizen is too much. Fucking dumbasses.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89017

Sweden isn't magical place they had worse rate of deaths per capita

[Topgunben]

What year did liberals start putting all their faith in government?

[imperiouskitten]

tax cuts but continue spending. even more than obama. then brag about "your economy". that's alot of hard work done brilliantly! foundational stuff.

[BarnabusCollins]

And every lamb was slain before the throne of God, and all the fowls of the air feasted on their carcasses.

Or, for you atheists, if it makes you feel better: And every lamb was slain, and all the fowls of the air feasted on their carcasses.

[Domo]

using religion in political topics is dumb and dangerous?!
I am not a fan of it

[BarnabusCollins]

using religion in political topics is dumb and dangerous?!
I am not a fan of it

Life not coming from space dust is not religion dumbfuck. Every living human dying is not religion genius. Next.
Being conceived in your mama is dangerous Einstein, boy you a genius.

Keep the intelligence rolling, next.

The funniest thing of ALL is idiots like you will continue spreading your monkey DNA and my perfect DNA will ceast from the genepool because I had the HEART to not let another human being DIE because of MY LUST. FUCK YOU.

I hope getting a piece was worth it: 1,. Them following you to your death and then 2. them dying themselves after losing you for decades.
I HOPE THAT SEX WAS WORTH IT MOTHERFUCKERS.

[reznor_]

Do what the government tells you to. They know best.

Sounds the like opinion of a commie.

I hope you don't serve in any public office, because you are a moron. Mask wearing isn't political, you cockroach. It's scientifically shown to reduce transmission. lol "the government", tired of that fucking trope, boomer.

Next.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89017

Sweden isn't magical place they had worse rate of deaths per capita

I was responding to Topgunben.

[BarnabusCollins]

I hope you don't serve in any public office, because you are a moron.

The why is Kamala Harris our Vice President if political office requires intelligence?

How was George Herbert Walker Bush Junior - the Terrorist of New India - U.S. President if the prerequisite is INTELLIGENCE.

[Domo]

Life not coming from space dust is not religion dumbfuck. Every living human dying is not religion genius. Next.
Being conceived in your mama is dangerous Einstein, boy you a genius.

Keep the intelligence rolling, next.

The funniest thing of ALL is idiots like you will continue spreading your monkey DNA and my perfect DNA will ceast from the genepool because I had the HEART to not let another human being DIE because of MY LUST. FUCK YOU.

I hope getting a piece was worth it: 1,. Them following you to your death and then 2. them dying themselves after losing you for decades.
I HOPE THAT SEX WAS WORTH IT MOTHERFUCKERS.

why ya calling me an idiot and motherfucker. Did I trigger you? Are you a snowflake?

[BarnabusCollins]

why ya calling me an idiot and motherfucker. Did I trigger you? Are you a snowflake?

You can shove your "using religion in political topics is dumb and dangerous?!
I am not a fan of it" right up your ass.

In God We Trust ring a bell? It's written on your fucking mark.

[reznor_]

The why is Kamala Harris our Vice President if political office requires intelligence?

How was George Herbert Walker Bush Junior - the Terrorist of New India - U.S. President if the prerequisite is INTELLIGENCE.

It's not, because this is America, lol.

[Domo]

Are you an christian, jewish or muslim radical religion guy? Because they are pretty much all the same.

[BarnabusCollins]

Christopher Codumbass called USA New India. Natives can't stand him or his term Indians.
He wasnt the first to discover USA. But he was the beginning of the end of the native.

I've said it before. I repeat it again. This land was acquired, bought, and sold via genocide
of the Native and is cursed until God destroys "New Babylon". No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Thursday they all celebrate a lie.

If they really cared about justice (for the slain and their descendants) their slogan would be Cast America Into the Oceans.
They do not.

Never really believed in Satan (or myself) until I took a long, hard, look at myself and mankind.
Yep, the Devil's real.

They slaughtered the brown natives. They enslaved the black brethren from across the waters.
And nowadays they are still busy, busy, busy eradicating the Persian and Persian way of life.

They call themselves Jews, but are not. They are Satan seated in the uppermost rooms of the earth.
Death and Hell await them.

[Gwaihir]

What year did liberals start putting all their faith in government?

While simultaneously blaming government for all societal ills.

[BarnabusCollins]

While simultaneously blaming government for all societal ills.

Not all, just most. Misery, depression, poverty, hatred, dirty laundry, lies, truths about things that don't matter - All these things come from your government, which owns all of your Associated "Psychology-Games" Press and lives in your head all the time rent-free.

The LORD of Hosts will erase their memories faster than a crackhead paid to erase a chalkboard.

[Domo]

religions are made up to control the low minded

[Domo]

but there are still lots of good people who use the religion as a pillar in their life to do good. (thanksfully)

[BarnabusCollins]

but there are still lots of good people who use the religion as a pillar in their life to do good. (thanksfully)

If you have do not have God in your life, you will not see me around much (or any more than I can bear) Misery, as they say, does NOT like company. Two atheists discussing hope = The blind leading the blind.

Cast not your pearls before swine. I do it anyway, In hope to inspire change or to help open a door no one knew existed.

[FatherSioux]

religions are made up to control the low minded

Nice massive broad stroke. You need to investigate religious stories more if you hold this belief. The Bible alone is one of the more deep and complex books out there. The ideas it covers and the way it covers them is truly magnificent. It shows a deep understanding of human nature that is astounding when you consider it's origins.

[FatherSioux]

Are you an christian, jewish or muslim radical religion guy? Because they are pretty much all the same.

The more I read of you the dumber you seem.

[Lune]

Nice massive broad stroke. You need to investigate religious stories more if you hold this belief. The Bible alone is one of the more deep and complex books out there. The ideas it covers and the way it covers them is truly magnificent. It shows a deep understanding of human nature that is astounding when you consider it's origins.

True, if only Christians acted in a way that aligned with their own book.

“For whoever exalts himself will be humbled by God, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted by God.” Matthew 23:12

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."" Matthew 19:24

One of Jesus' last acts before the shitstorm rained down on him was to expel the money-changers and merchants from the Jewish temple because he and his disciples felt their commerce and usury were antithetical to piety. In fact this is a core message of Christianity, and why that type of usury was outlawed (even if, at times, only in law, not in practice) throughout the Christian world for the next 1.5 thousand years. Jesus loved the poor. American conservatives hate the poor.

So you can imagine how it looks to an outsider when you have modern Christians who read Ayn Rand and subscribe to capitalism in its most wicked form. Note, there is nothing inherently wrong with capitalism as long as it is underlaid by certain values. Modern American capitalism resembles Chinese capitalism nowadays more than the Protestant ethic.

[BarnabusCollins]

To give is better than to receive.

[imperiouskitten]

What year did liberals start putting all their faith in government?

It was the corporate socialism of Bush/Obama/Trump (bailouts) that sold me on printing money to help actual people too. Really, though, it's been obvious since FDR's era and the booming of planned economies overseas which toppled the world order virtually overnight.

Recent years though have demonstrated the durability of the dollar even running a massive deficit, and that our aristocrats won't let their own fortunes die on principle...why should I go without medical care in service of a lie? When access to medical care is unfree and is locked behind a state accreditation mafia in the first place. An accreditation mafia that's been used to exploit human psychology by hiding costs from the consumer in order to drain disgusting amounts of money from our economy. Medicare at least allows me to purchase medicine freely by a roundabout means, thereby sorta returning freedoms to me in a facsimile form anyhow.

The WW2 era and beyond has proven beyond all doubt that the libertarian fantasy is ded and such a scoiety will be swallowed up or manipulated heavily by better-organized civilizations. A superstructure is necessary to protect and optimize our commercial machine. A machine which I don't think is in good shape at all right now with stupidity run rampant and a disillusioned population poisoned by our oligarchs' fast food and pills etc etc. Compare our average 22-year-old to the average 22-year-old Japanese. How can we possibly maintain our position? Intervention is needed. An ethos beyond the "give them what they want" of capitalism is necessary if you don't want our society to be a big fat 1% tick draining all of the economic output of the rest in exchange for oxy and mcdonalds.

Not that I have an awful lot of faith in the government which is conjured out of us, but it is obvious that powerful states are a feature of the future of the developed world. Probably a rhetorical question though, eh? :p

[FatherSioux]

True, if only Christians acted in a way that aligned with their own book.

“For whoever exalts himself will be humbled by God, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted by God.” Matthew 23:12

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."" Matthew 19:24

One of Jesus' last acts before the shitstorm rained down on him was to expel the money-changers and merchants from the Jewish temple because he and his disciples felt their commerce and usury were antithetical to piety. In fact this is a core message of Christianity, and why that type of usury was outlawed (even if, at times, only in law, not in practice) throughout the Christian world for the next 1.5 thousand years. Jesus loved the poor. American conservatives hate the poor.

So you can imagine how it looks to an outsider when you have modern Christians who read Ayn Rand and subscribe to capitalism in its most wicked form. Note, there is nothing inherently wrong with capitalism as long as it is underlaid by certain values. Modern American capitalism resembles Chinese capitalism nowadays more than the Protestant ethic.

You show a real lack of understanding with your comments. Perhaps the single biggest lesson to learn from The Bible is that human beings are incredibly flawed and we all make mistakes. It's why Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross.

Pointing out that people who wave a certain flag are flawed doesn't discredit an entire belief structure. It discredits you for not seeing the error in your ways.

[Lune]

You show a real lack of understanding with your comments. Perhaps the single biggest lesson to learn from The Bible is that human beings are incredibly flawed and we all make mistakes. It's why Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross.

Pointing out that people who wave a certain flag are flawed doesn't discredit an entire belief structure. It discredits you for not seeing the error in your ways.

lol if you think the core message of the bible is some reductionist, new-agey "humans are flawed and we all make mistakes" you're the one who lacks understanding.

So what you've done is selected a particular biblical theme, said "that's what the bible means", matched it to American culture, and thrown out all the other stuff Jesus said and did.

And yes, it discredits their belief structure when they profess to believe one thing (Jesus' words, actions and teachings), but actually believe something entirely different (Modern American Christianity).

[BiG SiP]

https://i.imgur.com/nXZcIlf.jpg

[BarnabusCollins]

Ye have no idea what power is. Yet.

True power: Deriving a laugh when things are at their worst. Fruit from God.

[charmcitysking]

Christopher Codumbass called USA New India. Natives can't stand him or his term Indians.
He wasnt the first to discover USA. But he was the beginning of the end of the native.

Look, you have to walk in Columbus' shoes to see what he went through. People thought the world was flat for cryin' out loud. Then he lands on an island with a bunch of naked savages on it, I mean, that took a lot of guts. You remember when we went to Florida? With the heat? And those bugs?

He discovered America is what he did. He was a brave Italian explorer - and on these elf forums, Christopher Columbus is a hero. End of story.

[FatherSioux]

lol if you think the core message of the bible is some reductionist, new-agey "humans are flawed and we all make mistakes" you're the one who lacks understanding.

So what you've done is selected a particular biblical theme, said "that's what the bible means", matched it to American culture, and thrown out all the other stuff Jesus said and did.

And yes, it discredits their belief structure when they profess to believe one thing (Jesus' words, actions and teachings), but actually believe something entirely different (Modern American Christianity).

So maybe you can't read, which seems odd for someone who plays Everquest. When I said perhaps one of the biggest lessons, you seem to have read "This is all lessons of the bible in one theme". But you see I said that it was perhaps the biggest and most important lesson. That does not mean that it is the only lesson, nor that it is the only important one. Try and read things with some assumption that you don't know everything there is to know, I know it will be tough since you're such a rational creature.

Please share your summary of what the Bible means for all of us to bask in your wisdom.

[FatherSioux]

He discovered America is what he did. He was a brave Italian explorer - and on these elf forums, Christopher Columbus is a hero. End of story.

Columbus is a god damn hero, deeply flawed human(shocking). Anyone who discredits what he did is a simpleton.

[BiG SiP]

ah yes a god damn genocide hero
(LOL) 70 year old poster detected

[FatherSioux]

ah yes a god damn genocide hero
(LOL)

Columbus is the reason you're here today. He's the reason you're allowed to live out your troll life on these p99 forums. You should have a shrine to him in your bathroom, next to McQuaids.

[BarnabusCollins]

naked savages lol

THEY GOTTA BE SAVAGES CAUSE THEY GOT NO CLOTH ON! GOD DIDNT LIKE IT WHEN ADAM AND EVE HID THEIR BODY HE CREATED, FROM HIM.

[Lune]

Like Cortes, Colombus toppled civilizations in spite of being deeply outnumbered, ill-supplied, and thousands of miles from home. Pretty interesting and heroic if you ask me. I think Cortes takes the cake though; the Aztec Empire was a much more worthy foe than a bunch of naked savages on Hispaniola.

Shame about the genocide but it's not like he was the only one that murdered natives, that was par for the course with settlers, explorers, and conquistadors from 1500-1880ish.

Neither were good people and definitely shouldn't be revered, just remembered.... accurately

[Mblake81]

Modern American capitalism resembles Chinese capitalism nowadays more than the Protestant ethic.

The flags are made in China.

[FatherSioux]

Like Cortes, Colombus toppled civilizations in spite of being deeply outnumbered, ill-supplied, and thousands of miles from home. Pretty interesting and heroic if you ask me. I think Cortes takes the cake though; the Aztec Empire was a much more worthy foe than a bunch of naked savages on Hispaniola.

Shame about the genocide but it's not like he was the only one that murdered natives, that was par for the course with settlers, explorers, and conquistadors from 1500-1880ish.

Neither were good people and definitely shouldn't be revered, just remembered.... accurately

History on Fire: The Conquest of Mexico

Must listen to anyone interested in that period of time.

[BiG SiP]

ok grandpa lol

[Lune]

+ you should have seen what the Ottomans were doing to Christian Europe during Columbus's lifetime. Yikes, hundreds of thousands of galley slaves and concubines kidnapped from the coasts of France and Italy to be shipped back to Anatolia.

Violence is an ouroboros. We're lucky we live in pax americana

[Woke Locc]

I've softened on usury and think it's pretty useful now

[BarnabusCollins]

"toppled civilizations" IS EVIL - YOU SUPPORT EVIL

EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM IS EVIL.

[FatherSioux]

I've softened on usury and think it's pretty useful now

Do you really mean usury? Or simply loans?

[Woke Locc]

Do you really mean usury? Or simply loans?

Charging interest in any form is usury in my peabrain.

e: what happened was I saw islamic banks don't give/charge interest so I was like no that's dumb.

[BiG SiP]

humanity is inherently evil, duh

[BarnabusCollins]

im human and im not evil. stop lying.

[FatherSioux]

Charging interest in any form is usury in my peabrain.

e: what happened was I saw islamic banks don't give/charge interest so I was like no that's dumb.

Maybe that's why most of their countries are dumps? JK

I think of usury as like Indian Loans...Pay Day Loans etc...predator loans.

[Woke Locc]

Maybe that's why most of their countries are dumps? JK

I think of usury as like Indian Loans...Pay Day Loans etc...predator loans.

I think it changed to that after the protestant rebellion, yeah.

You can thank martin luther for our damned prosperity.

:p

[Lizard1]

How did columbus discover america when there were already people here?

[Gwaihir]

True, if only Christians acted in a way that aligned with their own book.

“For whoever exalts himself will be humbled by God, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted by God.” Matthew 23:12

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."" Matthew 19:24

One of Jesus' last acts before the shitstorm rained down on him was to expel the money-changers and merchants from the Jewish temple because he and his disciples felt their commerce and usury were antithetical to piety. In fact this is a core message of Christianity, and why that type of usury was outlawed (even if, at times, only in law, not in practice) throughout the Christian world for the next 1.5 thousand years. Jesus loved the poor. American conservatives hate the poor.

So you can imagine how it looks to an outsider when you have modern Christians who read Ayn Rand and subscribe to capitalism in its most wicked form. Note, there is nothing inherently wrong with capitalism as long as it is underlaid by certain values. Modern American capitalism resembles Chinese capitalism nowadays more than the Protestant ethic.

Most people, Christian and non-Christian/atheist, alike, misinterpret the bible, so I'll give you some leeway and explicate here.

Christ chastised the pharisees, and saducees sects because they had transfigured judaism to a system of rote legalism and materialism; ultimately removing God from the equation and positing themselves and the egotistical nature of man in it's stead.

There's plenty of examples of Christ, and by extension his immediate disciples, confronting and dilineating that God's qualm with humanity is Ego. The pride comes before the fall as they say.

That is not to say that Christ took issue with usury specifically. The parable of the talents is a direct mandate for christians to invest and utilize compounding growth (which existed in banks even back then) to increase ones wealth.

A "talent" was essentially the average adult male's weight in silver (70-80kg) in roman times.

After the master leaves his slaves with their "talents", upon his return he praises the two slaves who grew the investment, while chastising the slave who buried his talent and only had the original capital to show for it, stating he could've simply depositted it in the bank and earned interest, then he takes the talent from that slave and gives it to the slave who gained the most profit of the other two, where Jesus then states that from those who have nothing, more will be taken, and to those who have most more will be given.

This concept that Christ was against usury entirely, cannot be substantiated by scripture.

This was a post-hoc addition by the amalgamation of the roman state and the burgeoning catholic church, as well as how this incorporated/conflicted the Jewish segment of the roman commonwealth. That is, the roman empire had a great number of special exceptions, specifically to the advantage of the Jewish people's; who it was fiscally indebted to during the rise of Christianity.

Hope this helps.

[Lizard1]

Didnt read, bible is just a big story and there is no god, earth was populated by other beings and we were brought here like a 24h live tv show for them and they probably watched our election eating ramen and chicken nuggets loling.

I bet we are amazing entertainment.

[Danth]

Columbus is a god damn hero, deeply flawed human(shocking). Anyone who discredits what he did is a simpleton.

Call me a simpleton if you like, but I don't give special credit for that man for being an ignorant, arrogant, greedy fool who was dead wrong about practically everything he claimed and simply ran into an unexpected landmass, and especially not when the man himself was too proud to ever readily admit it. He was no visionary, just a lucky idiot. The colonization of the Americas certainly happened as a result of him, but in spite of his own purpose. History is funny like that sometimes. Fools and accidents have their impacts just as surely as brilliant minds and deliberate acts. Highlighting such people as they really were is therefore an important aspect of appreciating the often random nature of history more generally.

Danth

[BarnabusCollins]

In only one hour how that mighty city has fallen!

[FatherSioux]

Call me a simpleton if you like, but I don't give special credit for that man for being an ignorant, arrogant, greedy fool who was dead wrong about practically everything he claimed and simply ran into an unexpected landmass, and especially not when the man himself was too proud to ever readily admit it. He was no visionary, just a lucky idiot. The colonization of the Americas certainly happened as a result of him, but in spite of his own purpose. History is funny like that sometimes. Fools and accidents have their impacts just as surely as brilliant minds and deliberate acts. Highlighting such people as they really were is therefore an important aspect of appreciating the often random nature of history more generally.

Danth

Ignorant for his times or ignorant based on todays standards? If you believe he was an idiot I think you're selling him short. He was an adventurer who loved the thrill of exploration. This trait is not common, Columbus is similar to people who volunteered to go into space, they are trailblazers. These people routinely shape and define the future. Columbus gets a bad rap if you judge him based on how you think people should of acted in a time you cannot relate to.

[BarnabusCollins]

Ignorant for his times or ignorant based on todays standards? If you believe he was an idiot I think you're selling him short. He was an adventurer who loved the thrill of exploration. This trait is not common, Columbus is similar to people who volunteered to go into space, they are trailblazers. These people routinely shape and define the future. Columbus gets a bad rap if you judge him based on how you think people should of acted in a time you cannot relate to.


He's right. Columbus killed no natives and enslaved no Africans. It's (alot/most of) the ("Protestant/Catholic") son a bitches that came over after him, that's why he gets the bad rap.

That Pilgrim Mayflower bullshit never occurred - tomorrow is a lie.
Another lie they love is In God We Trust - they don't even fucking know God. They know MONEY THOUGH.
Meet the Fire of the Holy Ghost.

[BarnabusCollins]

You tell me the difference between politics and love of money and I'll kiss your ass.

[Danth]

Ignorant for his times or ignorant based on todays standards? If you believe he was an idiot I think you're selling him short. He was an adventurer who loved the thrill of exploration. This trait is not common, Columbus is similar to people who volunteered to go into space, they are trailblazers. These people routinely shape and define the future. Columbus gets a bad rap if you judge him based on how you think people should of acted in a time you cannot relate to.

Ignorant even for his time; I do not judge by hindsight. Circa 1492 the size and rough shape of the Earth were well understood, at least among the educated. Columbus basically thought he was the smartest guy in Europe and everyone else was an idiot, and thought the Earth was dramatically smaller than it actually is, and that Cathay and the Indies were but a modest voyage across the Atlantic. He was of course utterly wrong and laughed out of numerous courts before he found a Castille which had spare cash due to having just completed the reconquista and which could afford to lose a few old ships. This does not refute the man's unquestioned impact on history, but it puts it into perspective: Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

Danth

[BarnabusCollins]

Now, for the GOLDEN QUESTION. If human corruption did NOT come from God Almighty, from whence did it come?

Hey Satan, remember that prison you cast me into? The ten years are over motherfucker. Worship the right hand of power you son of a bitch.

He gives us peace that passes all understanding.

[Gwaihir]

Now, for the GOLDEN QUESTION. If human corruption did NOT come from God Almighty, from whence did it come?

The Ego is the mouthpiece by which the adversary ensnares, and separates, us from God.

This why we can become Je(di) but never Je(zeus) (christ)

[BarnabusCollins]

You're wrong KemoSabe. We will become One with Him.

[Gwaihir]

You're wrong KemoSabe. We will become One with Him.

Eventually

We can only attempt to follow the right hand path and disregard the pleadings of the ego until that day.

[cd288]

Someone has a difference in opinion, which is similar to that shared by the people of Sweden and you just label them as a bad person. Talk about intellectual laziness.

Good attempt to mischaracterize what I had an issue with. But A for effort I suppose

[BarnabusCollins]

All Trump's peace deals between Israel and the Arabian Nations are at jeopardy under Biden and cabinet, says FoxNews. Let's hope they're wrong. I will pray to God.

Update: Jesus spoke to me about this fear. A great fear of mine as it will bring great sadness and despair to me. He said to me "...and rumors of wars". I will keep praying about this, this is very important to me I'm near tears worried about what will happen if new wars happen there or anywhere. We cant take any more.

[Domo]

Nice massive broad stroke. You need to investigate religious stories more if you hold this belief. The Bible alone is one of the more deep and complex books out there. The ideas it covers and the way it covers them is truly magnificent. It shows a deep understanding of human nature that is astounding when you consider it's origins.

The Bible been rewriten few times in the past 1000+ years. Who knows how much they fucked it up, and who knows how many mistakes were made when they translated it.


The bible was a tool back in time to control people, but it still work on some nowdays.

[White_knight]

The bible was a tool back in time to control people, but it still work on some nowdays.

Social Media is the new tool.

By God some people are fucking dumb when you talk to them and they say shit like..."I saw on Facebook such and such happened."

Lol.

[BarnabusCollins]

By God people are fucking dumb - YOU GOT THAT RIGHT

[Lizard1]

I know right, people voted for joe biden ( on purpose )

blows my mind

[BarnabusCollins]

I caught a Freudian slip in a Yahoo article. "Next time, Americans might not be so lucky."

They're (the editors/publishers) are not even American. They're pro-China all the way too, and coverup for them. I bet they're in Europe somewhere.

[Gwaihir]

I know right, people voted for joe biden ( on purpose )

blows my mind

They think they can temper the power of the one ring, wresting control, bending it to their will, and using the power of the ring for good, but there is only one Lord of the Rings, and he does not share power

[BarnabusCollins]

Actually He gives and removes power as he pleases. The Lord of the Mind.

[FatherSioux]

The Bible been rewriten few times in the past 1000+ years. Who knows how much they fucked it up, and who knows how many mistakes were made when they translated it.


The bible was a tool back in time to control people, but it still work on some nowdays.

Here is a little experiment for you. Think about the oldest stories you know. Now think about why those stories have lasted the test of time.

[BiG SiP]

fairytales are cool

[BarnabusCollins]

Cain killed Abel. Then afterward, Eve gave birth to a third son, Seth. His people became known as the Sethites.

The moral of the story is: life has been fucked up since day 1.

[FatherSioux]

fairytales are cool

Fairy Tales are cool, and they have lasted the test of time for the same reason the Bible has. Because they hold deep truths about human beings.

[BarnabusCollins]

I never bit into any fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that was forbidden in the center of the Garden of Eden. And then, one day, I swallowed whole the entire tree, roots and all.

[Lune]

Most people, Christian and non-Christian/atheist, alike, misinterpret the bible, so I'll give you some leeway and explicate here.

Christ chastised the pharisees, and saducees sects because they had transfigured judaism to a system of rote legalism and materialism; ultimately removing God from the equation and positing themselves and the egotistical nature of man in it's stead.

There's plenty of examples of Christ, and by extension his immediate disciples, confronting and dilineating that God's qualm with humanity is Ego. The pride comes before the fall as they say.

That is not to say that Christ took issue with usury specifically. The parable of the talents is a direct mandate for christians to invest and utilize compounding growth (which existed in banks even back then) to increase ones wealth.

A "talent" was essentially the average adult male's weight in silver (70-80kg) in roman times.

After the master leaves his slaves with their "talents", upon his return he praises the two slaves who grew the investment, while chastising the slave who buried his talent and only had the original capital to show for it, stating he could've simply depositted it in the bank and earned interest, then he takes the talent from that slave and gives it to the slave who gained the most profit of the other two, where Jesus then states that from those who have nothing, more will be taken, and to those who have most more will be given.

This concept that Christ was against usury entirely, cannot be substantiated by scripture.

This was a post-hoc addition by the amalgamation of the roman state and the burgeoning catholic church, as well as how this incorporated/conflicted the Jewish segment of the roman commonwealth. That is, the roman empire had a great number of special exceptions, specifically to the advantage of the Jewish people's; who it was fiscally indebted to during the rise of Christianity.

Hope this helps.

That's a stretch. Jesus spends his entire life championing the cause of and defending the poor, and you interpret a biblical figure rewarding his most productive slaves as a wholesale endorsement of modern predatory Republican crony capitalism.

Oh god lol

Whatever lets you reconcile your hatred of the poor with your religion, I guess

[BarnabusCollins]

"Republican crony capitalism" and don't forget the Democrats won the Nobel Peace Prize for dropping the most bombs on people in Yemen, Syria, Libya, and Iraq.
Don't give us that two-party bullshit. Both are evil to the core it a fuckin money-grab.

[Woke Locc]

I think invest in talents means like buy farm equipment and grow more food for your village, not reverse leverage option puts with the local rabbi.

[FatherSioux]

I think invest in talents means like buy farm equipment and grow more food for your village, not reverse leverage option puts with the local rabbi.

:D

[charmcitysking]

You know what it is? I'll tell you what it is.

It's anti-Italian discrimination.

Columbus day is a day of Italian pride. It's our holiday and they wanna take it away.

[douglas1999]

Columbus killed indian though and therefor bad.

Am I going to move to a different country since I'm living on "stolen land"?? Pffff fuck no, however I will inform you of how very bad and mean columbus was for pking indians.

[Gwaihir]

I think invest in talents means like buy farm equipment and grow more food for your village, not reverse leverage option puts with the local rabbi.

Lol.

[Lune]

You know what it is? I'll tell you what it is.

It's anti-Italian discrimination.

Columbus day is a day of Italian pride. It's our holiday and they wanna take it away.

In Napoli, a lot of people are not so happy for Columbus... because he was from Genoa

The north of Italy always have the money and the power. They punish the south, since hundreds of years. Even today, they put up their nose at us like we're peasants. I hate the north.

[Woke Locc]

Donny Two-Scoops pardoned a second turkey (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/25/donald-trump-pardons-michael-flynn)

[Jibartik]

Thought you guys would appreciate this game, I took some picks I havent tried it yet but lol what weird thing to make a game about.

https://i.imgur.com/gaHCYH1.png

https://i.imgur.com/qrQ19mD.png

[theaetatus]

Fairy Tales are cool, and they have lasted the test of time for the same reason the Bible has. Because they hold deep truths about human beings.

You seem to be making the mistake of not accepting the Bible as a Fairy Tale.

[imperiouskitten]

I used to RP nutty to spice this place up

now I'm like =O

[Domo]

Here is a little experiment for you. Think about the oldest stories you know. Now think about why those stories have lasted the test of time.

If you would destroy all Bibles and earse the whole Christian religion it would have gone forever.

If you you would destroy all science books and earse the whole science community people would find it again on their own and recrate it.

[FatherSioux]

You seem to be making the mistake of not accepting the Bible as a Fairy Tale.

If you want to call it a Fairy Tale that’s fine. Fairy Tales hold truths across time. The Bible is made up of actual people. You’re over simplification of The Bible is a mistake. If you examined the book as an adult without the slant that this is being sold as scientific fact you would find much value in its stories. You’ve likely replaced the tenants of Religion with the idea that rationality and science will lead you to happiness. Good luck

[BiG SiP]

Santa’s real

[FatherSioux]

So maybe the Kraken shit was real? Happy Thanksgiving

[Gwaihir]

I used to RP nutty to spice this place up

now I'm like =O

If you would destroy all Bibles and earse the whole Christian religion it would have gone forever.

If you you would destroy all science books and earse the whole science community people would find it again on their own and recrate it.

Not really.

Cool story though

[Gwaihir]

I used to RP nutty to spice this place up

now I'm like =O

If you would destroy all Bibles and earse the whole Christian religion it would have gone forever.

If you you would destroy all science books and earse the whole science community people would find it again on their own and recrate it.

Not really.

What is it with you Nazis and your desire to burn books and censor dissent? We got wonkie tossing around "rabbi" in a anti-semitic condescending manner.

We got domo positing the burning of books.

We got quite a few of you chastising and renarrating historical cultural traditions.

Explain to me how to ur not just Nazis vying for a changing of the guard?

If it looks like a nazi and quacks like a nazi, punch it in the face.

Fucking Nazis

[BarnabusCollins]

Since the media hates Republicans I'm now a Republican. That Mueller Probe was some buLLLLLL SHittttttttttt

"During his trial, Stone had boasted about his loyalty to Trump, leading to widespread speculation that Trump was rewarding him for his silence. A full pardon would take that scenario a step further."

Liars, they did nothing wrong, but if Russia DID help Trump get elected, nothing wrong at all because HILDABEAST was about to invade Russia from Poland on Day 1 Goddamn whore shes going to Hell 100%.

[BarnabusCollins]

Biden starts any wars he's going to Hell right after.

[Woke Locc]

I used to RP nutty to spice this place up

now I'm like =O

woke

[Domo]

<lot of Bullshit I wont repeat>

Get some life you stupid sick fuck. I am done with you

I dont even know why I joined this topic. Cant take most people here serioius anyway.

To the sane people here (no matter what your political or religion view is) much fun and a happy thanksgiving

[FatherSioux]

Get some life you stupid sick fuck. I am done with you

I dont even know why I joined this topic. Cant take most people here serioius anyway.

To the sane people here (no matter what your political or religion view is) much fun and a happy thanksgiving

Move along soft belly, enjoy your Turkey.

[feniin]

biden will be impeached quickly for his hunter biden dirty deals

the big guy going to the big house

get ready for kamalas big mouth for 4 years

In what reality? Who is going to impeach him?

[Gwaihir]

Get some life you stupid sick fuck. I am done with you

I dont even know why I joined this topic. Cant take most people here serioius anyway.

To the sane people here (no matter what your political or religion view is) much fun and a happy thanksgiving


Oh did I touch a nerve, Nazi? It's ok, let's burn bibles together.

Despite being morbidly obese, we can stage a hunger strike in protest of Thanksgiving.

Fuck you.

Nazi

"Happy Thanksgiving"....
From a fucking euro-Nazi who just spent the last several pages bashing the fucking custom.

[theaetatus]

If you want to call it a Fairy Tale that’s fine. Fairy Tales hold truths across time. The Bible is made up of actual people. You’re over simplification of The Bible is a mistake. If you examined the book as an adult without the slant that this is being sold as scientific fact you would find much value in its stories. You’ve likely replaced the tenants of Religion with the idea that rationality and science will lead you to happiness. Good luck

I did read some of it at school and it just isn't that good a story. Even compared to other similar fairy tales like those of the Norse or Egyptian gods it is particularly bland.

I'd much rather read a good story than that puerile crap... Some Proust, Yasunari Kawabata, Camus, Gogol, Mishima, Dostoevsky for instance.

[Gwaihir]

I would boot your ass out of my house, despite the protest of the women, if you brought this insolent and weasely conniving bullshit into my house on Thanksgiving and tell you to go solicit "the greater good" for a fucking meal for Thanksgiving, you ungrateful coddled piece of shit

[theaetatus]

Most of the world don't give a shit about you celebrating killing all the native people or whatever you are eating turkey for anyway. :)

[Gwaihir]

Most of the world don't give a shit about you celebrating killing all the native people or whatever you are eating turkey for anyway. :)

The aztecs deserved to be exterminated. They literally practiced cannibalism over any tribe they came across.

The Mayans performed live human sacrifice.

They weren't some fucking noble tribe of peace loving people. You're fucking stupid as shit.

[feniin]

I'm thankful for Gwaihir's unhinged rants on this beautiful Thanksgiving morning.

[Gwaihir]

Biden starts any wars he's going to Hell right after.

I'm thankful for Gwaihir's unhinged rants on this beautiful Thanksgiving morning.

What Thanksgiving?

WHO are you giving thanks to?

It's surely not God.

Not country.

You're spitting in the face of your ancestors.

Thanksgiving, indeed
"Science" doesn't need your "thanks"; it's incapable of eve acknowledging it.

[Danth]

The aztecs deserved to be exterminated. They literally practiced cannibalism over any tribe they came across.

The Mayans performed live human sacrifice.

They weren't some fucking noble tribe of peace loving people. You're fucking stupid as shit.

Indeed, the Aztecs' bloodthirsty nature was the very reason why all it took was a couple hundred Spaniards to start their downfall: Everyone else in the region already hated the Aztec's guts and it proved trivial for the Spaniards to enlist hordes of native allies. The Tlaxcalans were particularly effective as allies to the Spanish and were accordingly treated well.

The Mayans had a much older (but no less bloodthirsty) culture that was already fractured and declining by the time the Spanish arrived. They had been in effect reduced to a series of squabbling city-states. In truth they did not fare too badly and there are today still millions of Mayan-descended people living in southern Mexico.

I have to wonder how far the meso-americans might have gone if they had ever found decent deposits of iron or tamed suitable draft animals. They went about as far as stone age technology could go.

Danth

[Gwaihir]

Most of the "science" you Nazis revere as God was developed by German Nazis
Your meth. Discovered and utilized by German Nazis

[Jibartik]

You seem to be making the mistake of not accepting the Bible as a Fairy Tale.

The bible is not a fairy tale.

If it is anything else, it is instruction on how to govern and be a citizen in the Jewish culture.

The tora is exactly that too, its a constitution, a book of LAWS. They wrote the tora to govern judeah, and when they were sacked and forced into slavery they used it to maintain their culture while being spread out through the entire north African and Mesopotamian regions by Babylon's and Egyptians and romans and Greeks and Assyrians. They lost everything. Including their home land.

...But for 4000 years, unlike any culture that has ever existed ever, they have remained a single Jewish culture, true to their heritage, so much so that 2800 years after their capital of their homeland was destroyed, they got it back in 2017.

The Bible/Tora is powerful, because it is REAL. Most of it is about reality, how to behave socially, how to farm, how to save money, how to build a home, very little of it is about Jesus. Veeeeeeeeeeery little.

The book of revelations is not prophecy, its a historical 1:1 record of the destruction of the temple of Israel in 70 AD and a unification of the 7 leading churches that were spreading Christianity about how to avoid falling into the same pitfalls that previous churches/empires fell because of.

The book of daniel was written 150BC thats 500 years after the events it writes about took place, after the fall of the 4 empires that it "prophecies" about... but if you look the writing, and those 4 empires historically, they were the record of where the jews had been for the last 500 years, what happened to them, and the history of their citizenry, and how they remained Jewish under 500 years of slavery under forced worship of other Pegan gods. It also takes note of how each of those empires fell, and what led to their demise. Its a smart book!

It was a guide that told you, "even if they throw you in furnaces, or fed you to lions, if you stay true to our culture, you will be rewarded in the afterlife." But what it really wants is for you to just be true to the culture, the reward is irrelevant to Jewish culture. Look that up, the afterlife is basically irrelevant to jews, none of them agree on what it is, it hardly speaks of it, just that when you die you will be rewarded with gods love. Thats all it says!

Its honestly the most brilliant book ever written, if you look at it secularly instead of like a 90s ashiest that hates Christianity, assuming its just fairy tale.

Its a GOOD book of how to live life as a GOOD person, that will live to be OLD and WISE with many kids and a happy family. To be full of joy during the worst times of life, to look towards the horizon instead of at the present, to build your self up to be a stronger citizen.

I can understand why people hate it, nobody likes being told who or what to worship. The irony is that is literally the entire ethos of the entire book! That the jews didnt like that either and they wanted to maintain their worship of their own god, when they had no home land or kingdom of their own.

One thing to remember, is jews do not try to conform you to their religion, infact if you ask a jew if you should convernt, they culturally will tell you NO 5 times, until you are finally ready.

They truely are gods children.

If you have a problem with fairy tales in the new testament you should watch this lil documentary, it will get you off big time. (https://youtu.be/IMado9ukLt0)

[White_knight]

He's actually right as shitty as it is the Nazis developed so much shit the USA took on after WW2.

Ahem go look at the Saturn rocket...the US developed rocket was shit...terrible...blew up. So they got a Nazi to build them a nice functional rocket.

[feniin]

What Thanksgiving?

WHO are you giving thanks to?

It's surely not God.

Not country.

You're spitting in the face of your ancestors.

Thanksgiving, indeed
"Science" doesn't need your "thanks"; it's incapable of eve acknowledging it.

Are you okay? I know your world is coming unglued as your cult falls into shambles but you don't need to take it out on everyone around you. Please, seek professional psychiatric help. There's no sense in avoiding it. It's almost 2021. There's no stigma anymore.

[White_knight]

Also:

P.s. the Dem's done stealing the election yet?

P.s.s. How long will Trump live rent free in people's heads?

[feniin]

Stealing an election you easily won by 6+ million votes is a really weird interpretation of what happened.

[Gwaihir]

The bible is not a fairy tale.

If it is anything else, it is instruction on how to govern and be a citizen.

The tora is exactly that too, its a constitution, and a cultural guideline for a people who had lost their homeland around 600BC they used the tora to maintain cultural identity while being slaves and spread out through the entire north African and Mesopotamian regions by Babylon's and Egyptians and romans and Greeks and Assyrians. They got hammered for like 1000 years.

They lost everything. Including their home land.

...But for 8000 years, unlike any culture that has ever existed ever, they have remained a single Jewish culture, true to their heritage, so much, 2800 years after their homeland was destroyed, they just got it back in 2017.

The Bible/Tora is powerful, because it is REAL. Most of it is about reality, how to behave socially, how to farm, how to save money, how to build a home, very little of it is about Jesus. Veeeeeeeeeeery little.

The book of revelations is not prophecy, its a historical 1:1 record of the destruction of the temple of Israel in 70 AD and a unification of the 7 leading churches that were spreading Christianity about how to avoid falling into the same pitfalls that previous churches/empires fell because of.

The book of daniel was written 150BC thats 500 years after the events it writes about took place, after the fall of the 4 empires that it "prophecies" but if you look at those 4 empires historically, they were the record of where the jews had ben for the last 500 years, what happened to them, and the history of their citizenry.

It was a guide that told you, "even if they throw you in furnaces, or fed you to lions, if you stay true to our culture, you will be rewarded in the afterlife." But what it really wants is for you to just be true to the culture, the reward is irrelevant to governance.

Its honestly the most brilliant book ever written, if you look at it secularly instead of like a 90s ashiest that hates Christianity. Like its a evil fairy tale.

Its a GOOD book of how to live life as a GOOD person, that will live to be OLD and WISE with many kids and a happy family. To be full of joy during the worst times of life, to look towards the horizon instead of at the present, to build your self up to be a stronger citizen.

If you have a problem with fairy tales in the new testament you should watch this lil documentary, it will get you off big time. (https://youtu.be/IMado9ukLt0)


How would they even know, anyways. I specifically explicated one specific parable of the Bible earlier, and their response was that they didn't read the Bible.

Their hatred of Christianity, and Abrahamic religion on the whole, derives from the cognitive dissonance inherent to denying the Truth, Life, and way.

I highly doubt these recalcitrant prices of shit go out of their way to troll Jewish and Islamic discussion had online throughout the world.

They posit themselves as anti-religious, but that's really just code for anti-Christian.

That's how badly spurned they are by the existence of Truth.

[theaetatus]

Its honestly the most brilliant book ever written, if you look at it secularly instead of like a 90s ashiest that hates Christianity. Like its a evil fairy tale.

Its a GOOD book of how to live life as a GOOD person, that will live to be OLD and WISE with many kids and a happy family. To be full of joy during the worst times of life, to look towards the horizon instead of at the present, to build your self up to be a stronger citizen.


It's a poorly written rambling tale about subservience to a petty vengeful god. It's not about living a good life or having a happy family, as we can see in its endorsement of slavery, homophobia and misogyny.

If you want a real story about living old and wise as a good person, I suggest this essay by Bertrand Russell.
https://www3.nd.edu/~afreddos/courses/264/fmw.htm

Particularly these final 3 paragraphs:
"The life of Man, viewed outwardly, is but a small thing in comparison with the forces of Nature. The slave is doomed to worship Time and Fate and Death, because they are greater than anything he finds in himself, and because all his thoughts are of things which they devour. But, great as they are, to think of them greatly, to feel their passionless splendour, is greater still. And such thought makes us free men; we no longer bow before the inevitable in Oriental subjection, but we absorb it, and make it a part of ourselves. To abandon the struggle for private happiness, to expel all eagerness of temporary desire, to burn with passion for eternal things--this is emancipation, and this is the free man's worship. And this liberation is effected by a contemplation of Fate; for Fate itself is subdued by the mind which leaves nothing to be purged by the purifying fire of Time.

United with his fellow-men by the strongest of all ties, the tie of a common doom, the free man finds that a new vision is with him always, shedding over every daily task the light of love. The life of Man is a long march through the night, surrounded by invisible foes, tortured by weariness and pain, towards a goal that few can hope to reach, and where none may tarry long. One by one, as they march, our comrades vanish from our sight, seized by the silent orders of omnipotent Death. Very brief is the time in which we can help them, in which their happiness or misery is decided. Be it ours to shed sunshine on their path, to lighten their sorrows by the balm of sympathy, to give them the pure joy of a never-tiring affection, to strengthen failing courage, to instil faith in hours of despair. Let us not weigh in grudging scales their merits and demerits, but let us think only of their need--of the sorrows, the difficulties, perhaps the blindnesses, that make the misery of their lives; let us remember that they are fellow-sufferers in the same darkness, actors in the same tragedy as ourselves. And so, when their day is over, when their good and their evil have become eternal by the immortality of the past, be it ours to feel that, where they suffered, where they failed, no deed of ours was the cause; but wherever a spark of the divine fire kindled in their hearts, we were ready with encouragement, with sympathy, with brave words in which high courage glowed.

Brief and powerless is Man's life; on him and all his race the slow, sure doom falls pitiless and dark. Blind to good and evil, reckless of destruction, omnipotent matter rolls on its relentless way; for Man, condemned to-day to lose his dearest, to-morrow himself to pass through the gate of darkness, it remains only to cherish, ere yet the blow falls, the lofty thoughts that ennoble his little day; disdaining the coward terrors of the slave of Fate, to worship at the shrine that his own hands have built; undismayed by the empire of chance, to preserve a mind free from the wanton tyranny that rules his outward life; proudly defiant of the irresistible forces that tolerate, for a moment, his knowledge and his condemnation, to sustain alone, a weary but unyielding Atlas, the world that his own ideals have fashioned despite the trampling march of unconscious power."

[Baler]

This is the last year we'll be able to say Merry Christmas without being arrested and thrown in a box.

[Woke Locc]

He's actually right as shitty as it is the Nazis developed so much shit the USA took on after WW2.

Ahem go look at the Saturn rocket...the US developed rocket was shit...terrible...blew up. So they got a Nazi to build them a nice functional rocket.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

[Baler]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

I see your Op Paperclip and raise you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Never publicly closed. :eek:

[Woke Locc]

I see your Op Paperclip and raise you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Never publicly closed. :eek:

>It was officially halted in 1973.

[Jibartik]

"religion is bad" -athiest

Communisms, capitalism, fascism, all those are the results of absence of religion.

Religion, has united a culure around the world through the rise and fall of hundreds of major empires, and given them hope and happiness to this day.

Religion is bhudism, it's ghandi, it's peace.

To this day, the Jew has not performed one atrocity as a culture.

(ok maybe they push the palatines around a bit much but that's a tango.) And it wasnt until the influx of secular Americanism culture in 1947 that isreal started getting all "we need to stop being pushed around and start doing the pushing"

so maybe there is a time limit on how long even the best religions can keep us happy and safe before....

.....HUMANITY takes over, our WORST quality.

Religion is good.

Theaetetus, call me in 5000 years if the majority of earth quoting those quotes, or if theyre still quoting 10000 year old philosophers that said the same thig 5000 years before those quotes were written.

rief and powerless is Man's life; on him and all his race the slow, sure doom falls pitiless and dark. Blind to good and evil, reckless of destruction,

That's just Daniel 4 :rolleyes: 15BCE, a little more impressive than some college boy who read all those books his whole life and wrote some updated quote 2000 years later. Yawn.

[theaetatus]

And to this day, The Jew has done not performed one atrocity as a culture. (ok maybe the push the palatines around a bit much but that's a tango.)

Quietly trivialising over 50 years of slow genocide there. Good job! :)

Yes, bad things also happen to humanity without religion. Nobody is disputing that but to blame a lack of religion when things just as bad happen in religion's name is to ignore the obvious truth, that humanity often does bad things regardless. To dispose of religion is simply a first step towards removing the divisions that keep us fighting over stupid shit.

[theaetatus]

Theaetetus, call me in 5000 years if the majority of the worlds religions are still quoting those guys, or if theyre still quoting 10000 year old philosophers that say the same thig 5000 years before those quotes were written.

And in response to your edit, I'm sure in 5000 years people will still be stupid enough to fall for all the old Abrahamic nonsense. I'm no optimist when it comes to progress.

[Baler]

>It was officially halted in 1973.

No source cited, bullshit. :)

[Gwaihir]

Quietly trivialising over 50 years of slow genocide there. Good job! :)

Yes, bad things also happen to humanity without religion. Nobody is disputing that but to blame a lack of religion when things just as bad happen in religion's name is to ignore the obvious truth, that humanity often does bad things regardless. To dispose of religion is simply a first step towards removing the divisions that keep us fighting over stupid shit.


See?

Literally anti-semitic Nazis. "Disposing religion" literally means just genociding anyone who believes in anything spiritual.

Good luck with that, Hitler. You know, towards the end of the Third Reich, Hitler and Goebbels decided to eschew religion and replace it with "humanitarian ideals" positted by the state.

They fell shortly after. As does every empire who forsakes and arrogantly decries themselves God in his stead.

Literally Nazis right down to the fundamental core of it all.

Their final solution; exterminate religion (which lives in the people's who embody it)

[Jibartik]

And in response to your edit, I'm sure in 5000 years people will still be stupid enough to fall for all the old Abrahamic nonsense. I'm no optimist when it comes to progress.

The point is that everything you believe in, those quotes you just dropped.

They are the lessons of the tora dude.

Theyre just reskinned so your athiest brain can handle it.

You know who else reskined the teachines fo the tora?

Greece.

Rome.

Hitler.

Marx.

Muhammad.

Name it, your "human" reskinning of the old testament, is what evil is, because you chose the parts taht make YOU seem strong, and you OMIT the parts that make you know you are weak.

[Jibartik]

See?

Literally anti-semitic Nazis.

The idea that you think it's genocide should give you some pings that you can be manipulated very easliy. So it's good that you are avoiding religion this day and age, but Ill bet you replace it with politics or something that makes you hate the other side.

Tora says to just shutup and pray and let the other side be.

[Jibartik]

Someone is going to burst through my window and behead me for putting Muhammad on that list, but that just proves my point.

[Baler]

Someone is going to burst through my window and behead me for putting Muhammad on that list, but that just proves my point.

Not if you live in America. You have a higher chance of dieing from heart disease.

[Jibartik]

Not if you live in America. You have a higher chance of dieing from heart disease.

SPeaking of, how many times have you been napping this year?

I nap to much this year thanks to the pandemic, and I heard that that can increase your rate of heart disease!

I feel it, when I wake up form a nap my heart is like weird and pounding.

They say 8hrs of sleep vs sporadic insomnia is a big differentiate in heart disease, and I can never sleep! i scare of that more than anything :(

[feniin]

Can someone send out a wellness check to Gwaihir's house? He's coming apart at the seams.

[Gwaihir]

The idea that you think it's genocide should give you some pings that you can be manipulated very easliy. So it's good that you are avoiding religion this day and age, but Ill bet you replace it with politics or something that makes you hate the other side.

Tora says to just shutup and pray and let the other side be.

Let's burn some bibles and give thanks to the void.

[Jibartik]

Good luck with that, Hitler. You know, towards the end of the Third Reich, Hitler and Goebbels decided to eschew religion and replace it with "humanitarian ideals" positted by the state.


Bruh, if you took 100% of the religion out of the tora/bible it would be exactly that!

That's my point, you take god out of the equation, and people just go "well if we remove THESE People, then we wont have problems"

"the right to eat is bad, because fat people are un happy, and the book of happiness says all people should be happy!"

Thats the slippery slope that ALL humanity falls through. Just read about any empire in history.

BUT THE BIBLE IS ABSOLUTE LAW, if you try to change it from its "best working state" then you are breaking its LAW.

exactly. like. the. constitution.

But with secular retellings of the tora (which is what you just described!!!!!!) it is changeable, and fallible, and will evolve with fickle trending HUMANITY.

The one thing humanity is good at, is destroying other humanity, so a secular law will always, like it has for the last 10000 years, result in teh collapse of civliziastion.

WHERASE THE JEWS

have survived as a single culture, throughout all of that, practicing life today, the way they did 10000 years ago, unlike ANY CLUTURE ON EARTH.

Try and convince me that is the bad?? you cant.

[theaetatus]

Literally anti-semitic Nazis. "Disposing religion" literally means just genociding anyone who believes in anything spiritual.


You really need to find out what the word 'literally' means, fella. :)

[Gwaihir]

You really need to find out what the word 'literally' means, fella. :)

I'm using the leftist/nazi definition.

As in

"He's literally Hitler"

Or

"I'm literally shaking right now"

What's the problem, Nazi?

[Jibartik]

I would be mindful that 2020 may have been the start of the tribulation and we might find out what the real story is in like 2027 or something if the stuff I say is historical, is actaully prophecy.

But I highly doubt it.

But maybe biden will unite us with one new religion that is like a combo of humanity and christianity, and that is what revelations says rome was turning into, and why the world was ending then, and it would be why our world will end in 2027

but if it is history, and not prophecy, we have like another 200 years of circling the toilet bowl before america go bye bye.

Maybe Nukes can speed that up though pray with me.

https://i.imgur.com/H75yObl.png

[theaetatus]

I'm using the leftist/nazi definition.

As in

"He's literally Hitler"

Or

"I'm literally shaking right now"

What's the problem, Nazi?

No problem at all my Commie friend! :)

[Jibartik]

To be fair I hate people and want us all to reset so maybe dogs can take over.

[Gwaihir]

a combo of humanity and christianity

That's called Rosicrucianism.

The construction of the Georgia Guidestones' was conscripted by an agent operating under the pseudonym "RC Christian".

Care to guess what the RC stands for?

[Woke Locc]

Ex pull some BS? :(

[Mblake81]

That's called Rosicrucianism.

The construction of the Georgia Guidestones' was conscripted by an agent operating under the pseudonym "RC Christian".

Care to guess what the RC stands for?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Rosenkreuz

wiki at your own risk.

[feniin]

That's called Rosicrucianism.

The construction of the Georgia Guidestones' was conscripted by an agent operating under the pseudonym "RC Christian".

Care to guess what the RC stands for?

Tell me more, Alex Jones. :rolleyes:

[feniin]

Reptiles will take over not dogs

They are #1 on the food chain for a reason, cold blooded animals carry so much disease even if they lose they win

( you die from infection )

all animals fear reptiles

Probably birds. Dinosaurs will have their revenge. :mad:

[Gwaihir]

Ex pull some BS? :(

Last week, She sent some belligerent texts to my mother after i let the girls visit their maternal grandmother in early october; wherein they offered to bring the girls to breakfast with their mother after I expressly told them they are not to expose the girls to their mother outside of the channels the court established when it came to light she was abusing methamphetamines and routinely drinking to blackout for well over the past 4 years.


Anyhow, I told my ex's mom that I wasn't going to play stupid ass manipulation games with her,and that if she wants to see her grandchildren again, then she can arrange that on her daughter's non-existent timeshare with the girls, and if she doesn't like that then maybe she should see that her daughter gets onboard with the courts' established path for reconciliation.

She didn't even show up to court at the last hearing, which was supposed to be a follow up to see if she was passing urinalysis testing and enrolled in behavioral therapy as ordered, so the judge could give her some timeshare back based on positive progress. As a result, the judge removed the case from calendar and essentially cemented the temporary order as a permanent custody order requiring a motion and showing cause for any change to it.


This all came about when through years of bullshit drunkenness where the final straw was her, on a 4th day bender without sleep on meth, beating the shit out of our oldest daughter and kicking her out of her grandparents house that she had been leeching free room and board with for the past 4 years, then abducting my youngest daughter and fleeing halfway to Arizona where she was planning to live with drunk friend Crystal who has haf two kids from two different father's taken from her custody for wanton abuse and neglect.

She squandered 96k in child support over the 4 years leading up to this culmination, drinking, smoking, and more recently; developing a meth addiction...

Enough to have paid for the entirety of both girls' college tuition for a 4-year stint, while living in her parents spare bedroom with zero expense overhead.

[Gwaihir]

All of this happened, a little over a year after I decided to start living in obedience with our Lord, with prayers answered against all odds with a false DV accusations placing a presumption against me assuming custody.

Never could've/would've/should've done it on my own.

My Lilith.

It's funny how the bible both happened on the macro, and happens on the micro, at the same time.

[imperiouskitten]

poasting to check my forum rank. better not be sarnak