Does dex affect the chance of spell procs?

[radbeard]

Dex obviously effects the chance of weapon procs, but what about spell procs, such as vampiric embrace?

I've seen conflicting information on these forums as to whether dex has any bearing on spell-based procs or not.

Does somebody here know definitively?

[elwing]

Parse 10min on bloodmaw at 100 and 255dex

[radbeard]

Parse 10min on bloodmaw at 100 and 255dex

we have a whole wiki and forums to share the information and ask questions about game mechanics. So i'm asking if anybody knows this answer definitively, this response isn't helpful or informative.

[Legidias]

How do you think all the information about game mechanics came about in the first place? He gave you a way to find out very easily and simply.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I haven't done any parsing, but I have played my SK a lot with the vampric embrace line and a proc weapon simultaneously. From my experience, vampric embrace seems to proc more often than my weapon most of the time. This leads me to believe it is either on a fixed rate, or it uses dex and has a proc modifier to make it proc more often.

Spell procs are pretty rare on this timeline, so there may not be a wiki page on them. I couldnt find one at least with a quick check. That is why people are suggesting you do your own parsing if you want to know for sure.

Googling "p99 spell proc" came up with this: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284998 , which suggests it is a fixed rate.

[elwing]

Yep, the issue with the wiki is that it's often the case not exact/correct, I have heard both and I jave no idea which is correct, testing is the way to be sure

[Crede]

You should be stacking dex regardless as an SK to prepare for those sweet epic procs

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You should be stacking dex regardless as an SK to prepare for those sweet epic procs

Agreed. SKs get a LOT of nice procs, so you should be stacking DEX on an SK regardless. I try to tune my gear towards DEX as much as possible. But obviously wait until you start getting some good proc weapons. At your level there isn't really anything worthwhile, so getting STR is going to be the best pair with your Ebon Mace.

[Nagoya]

the current consensus is that no, DEX does not affect spell procs.
i can only say that it also felt like it didn't matter when playing, but I never parsed anything.
i would be curious to find better data on this as well.

[radbeard]

Thank you. My SK is lvl 27 so testing this particular thing isn't really something i'm setup to do. I noticed that it felt like I was getting a lot of procs even with my 70 dex, which is what made me start searching to begin with.

Also I'm very aware that many things have had to be tested. And I have made many updates to the wiki for different spells that were slightly wrong, as well as updating mob level ranges, ect. It is just supremely unhelpful for the first response to many things to be telling people to go test when, in fact, a great many things have already been tested. Sometimes you need to invent the wheel and sometimes you just need to ask other people. Anyone who has conducted research knows the first step is a lit review of what the state of knowledge is already.

[radbeard]

Agreed. SKs get a LOT of nice procs, so you should be stacking DEX on an SK regardless. I try to tune my gear towards DEX as much as possible. But obviously wait until you start getting some good proc weapons. At your level there isn't really anything worthwhile, so getting STR is going to be the best pair with your Ebon Mace.

Yeah i'm currently geared towards AC, HP, and Strength in approximately that order. I can't really see any very worthwhile proc weapons available to SK that aren't from raids. Frostbite is nice, but not good enough to stop using ebon mace even once I'm high enough to proc it. Wavecrasher is fancy, but my duo partner is a shaman, and i'm not rich. However if dex had affected vampiric embrace (which already procs quite a bit) I'd be pretty interested in gearing for dex because the ratio of hp gain to loss over like an hour is what determines the size of a camp my little duo can hold.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeah i'm currently geared towards AC, HP, and Strength in approximately that order. I can't really see any very worthwhile proc weapons available to SK that aren't from raids. Frostbite is nice, but not good enough to stop using ebon mace even once I'm high enough to proc it. Wavecrasher is fancy, but my duo partner is a shaman, and i'm not rich. However if dex had affected vampiric embrace (which already procs quite a bit) I'd be pretty interested in gearing for dex because the ratio of hp gain to loss over like an hour is what determines the size of a camp my little duo can hold.

I agree that many of the good proc weapons are raid exclusive, but not all.

1. Earthshaker - good for killing mobs in an aoe fashion. Shamans and Shadowknights do not get a lot of aoe, so this could be useful when farming lower level mobs for something.

2. Deadwood Stave - Since you probably arent getting epic, vp weapons, or sky sword, this is your go to for a direct life drain proc. Could be useful for saving Shaman mana on healing.

3. Jourmeymans Walking Stick - extra MR reduction on the mob, unresistable.

4. Greenmist - Closest thing to your Epic you can get if you are an Iksar, no raiding requited. Helps with healing.

5. Soul Binder - DoT Life tap. Helps with healing.

6. Narandi's Lance - Free DoT with decent damage.

7. Embalmers skinning knife - summons bandages. Great for saving mana on healing while under 50% HP.

[radbeard]

i guess the life procs value depends how much damage i'm responsible for. like soul binder is 105 life gain, but by that level if the fight goes on long enough that I take even one single extra hit it was probably a net loss. But if i'm tanking for a full group and my dps is negligible this seems like a nice tool.

I should probably get a skinning knife though. certainly training up bind wound so my shaman can canni recover us quicker.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

i guess the life procs value depends how much damage i'm responsible for. like soul binder is 105 life gain, but by that level if the fight goes on long enough that I take even one single extra hit it was probably a net loss. But if i'm tanking for a full group and my dps is negligible this seems like a nice tool.

I should probably get a skinning knife though. certainly training up bind wound so my shaman can canni recover us quicker.

The lifetap procs are good when the mob is running, since you won't lose any hp from tanking. When your Shaman gets their pet, you could also have the doggo tank until it gets semi low on life. No reason to keep the pet at full health.

[Danth]

On a Shadow Knight I recommend gearing for dex on an as-needed basis, especially if you're usually with a Shaman which brings its own powerful DEX buffs. Many of the go-to Shadow Knight weapons have no specials at all, Noc blade, Reaver, Massive Dragonclaw Shard, Ebon Mace, etc. Even those which do don't necessarily warrant striving for maximum dexterity.

--With Soul Binder (or the Zealot's sword), specifically, you don't want TOO much dexterity because additional procs while the effect is running will reset the effect to its minimum tick. Hence quick strings of back to back procs go largely wasted. The Shaman's dexterity buff plus whatever you normally have should suffice for that weapon.

--The effect from Narandi's Lance lasts so long that dexterity doesn't help all that much aside from getting it on a little sooner. Once it's going just about any amount of DEX should suffice to keep it going.

--My experience using Innoruuk's Curse is that ~200 dexterity suffices and going to 255 isn't all that much better; mostly it means refreshing it with maybe 2-3 ticks left instead of 0-1. Better, just not a lot. Because of that I don't always double-stack the wife's DEX buffs if I need buff space for something else. This would be even more pronounced with Greenmist since that weapon's effect lasts even longer.

--If you use the skinning knife, most the time you'll proc it against green /con trash and stock up that way. Low dexterity here just means you take a little longer.

Danth

[radbeard]

all great advice. ty.