Player above server rules?

[kjs86z]

Well... not just anybody. ;)

lmao

[Zekayy]

Zekay you seem like a really nice guy (I watch AC Gamer's streams), and granted I'm just a guildless rando, but if you're asking for new material, just look five posts above yours.

I was having a blast trioing yesterday and banging out lvl 58 with a couple of awesome Freedom guys. They asked me why I was guildless but I didn't feel like explaining that "you're a warmbody nobody" doesn't seem too inviting, and when I manage to find time to play the vidya games, I sorta want to have fun and not feel like a sack of shit. Shouldn't we expect 'leaders' to set the example?

of course I agree. im sorry this happened, im not an officer of freedom or anything but I feel like if you would like app eventually you should not be called a warmbody nobody, thats not a good look I dont agree with what Furor did im not the only in freedom who thinks so. also thanks for supporting my friends they are a great bunch =).

[Croco]

of course I agree. im sorry this happened, im not an officer of freedom or anything but I feel like if you would like app eventually you should not be called a warmbody nobody, thats not a good look I dont agree with what Furor did im not the only in freedom who thinks so. also thanks for supporting my friends they are a great bunch =).

See the problem is it doesn't matter how many freedom say they don't agree with what Furoar did or how many say they don't necessarily agree with how/what detoxx says on a per post basis because you all just accept it and roll with it. It doesn't matter how many good apples there are when every one of the good apples is a-ok with all the bad ones.

[Ripqozko]

Rip riptoes, shout out my fellow mages.

[Benisato]

Rofl, this guy things bard song aggro transfers on players not in their group. Again, just a Riot warmbody that knows nothing about mechanics. Arcler must of taught him this response as it was the same one he gave us when Windbardy trained us at Koi.

You guys trained away those mobs to engage Eashen and the train came back and killed you as it does every time with Eashen. You dont even know the basic encounters of mobs in this game. Riot really is recruiting anybody these days.

You have obviously never played a bard..

"and the train came back and killed you as it does every time with Eashen.."
Well I know this is how YOU GUYS do Eashen..


Also riddle me this Felicia .. Why was he even there?

Eashen less than 10% when he shows up. You already had Crowns there watching to report on the situation. The rest of your people were at zone in so it's not like he would have tried to quickly engage had we suddenly failed. He didn't feign to possibly clear any aggro when he got there.. like every other monk would ever do when they run from one area to the next. He stares down the hall he came running in from instead of watching the fight. And then a few seconds after he came in a huge train follows him.. ahh yeah you're right I don't know what I am talking about.. I'm just a warm body nobody.. why are you even replying to me?

Although... He did just get in trouble for doing the same damn thing a few weeks later didn't he?


Who are you again? Oh yeah the guy that is so vengeful when Riot wanted nothing to do with having you in the guild you decided to form your "own guild to Crush Riot off the server".. yeah a real stand up dude!

[sydbarrett25]

interesting

[Viscere]

^ lmao

[Detoxx]

You have obviously never played a bard..

"and the train came back and killed you as it does every time with Eashen.."
Well I know this is how YOU GUYS do Eashen..


Also riddle me this Felicia .. Why was he even there?

Eashen less than 10% when he shows up. You already had Crowns there watching to report on the situation. The rest of your people were at zone in so it's not like he would have tried to quickly engage had we suddenly failed. He didn't feign to possibly clear any aggro when he got there.. like every other monk would ever do when they run from one area to the next. He stares down the hall he came running in from instead of watching the fight. And then a few seconds after he came in a huge train follows him.. ahh yeah you're right I don't know what I am talking about.. I'm just a warm body nobody.. why are you even replying to me?

Although... He did just get in trouble for doing the same damn thing a few weeks later didn't he?


Who are you again? Oh yeah the guy that is so vengeful when Riot wanted nothing to do with having you in the guild you decided to form your "own guild to Crush Riot off the server".. yeah a real stand up dude!

The train was not on him. Period. Learn mechanics and then realize how dumb you look.

[BiG SiP]

https://i.imgur.com/PN9GvH5.gif

[Toryas]

The train was not on him. Period. Learn mechanics and then realize how dumb you look.

Rich from somebody with the literacy level of a pre-teen.

[Benisato]

The train was not on him. Period. Learn mechanics and then realize how dumb you look.

Please teach me the mechanics of this game, what's that command to rename a guild again?

[Benisato]

Oh that's right its /ByeFelicia

[Ripqozko]

Please control the toxicity

[Solist]

Oh that's right its /ByeFelicia

That fraps you posted doesn’t show furoar training anything. There is no transfer of aggro, no new engage messages, no mob pause. It’s the most likely result of windbardy who doesn’t speak English playing group buffs at the beginning of the train or someone who went off running a hatchling out after the fact (as an example) and it socials with the train.

The reason fraps is so good is that all of this stuff is fairly easy to spot, and it takes a mediocre player at best to know that train isn’t on furor.

The reason fraps is so bad is that all it takes is some preconceived notions of guilt for idiots to disregard any evidence to the contrary. That and it circulates within riot for a few hours first building confirmation bias.

Watch it objectively and it’s fairly simple to see.

[Benisato]

That fraps you posted doesn’t show furoar training anything. There is no transfer of aggro, no new engage messages, no mob pause. It’s the most likely result of windbardy who doesn’t speak English playing group buffs at the beginning of the train or someone who went off running a hatchling out after the fact (as an example) and it socials with the train.

The reason fraps is so good is that all of this stuff is fairly easy to spot, and it takes a mediocre player at best to know that train isn’t on furor.

The reason fraps is so bad is that all it takes is some preconceived notions of guilt for idiots to disregard any evidence to the contrary. That and it circulates within riot for a few hours first building confirmation bias.

Watch it objectively and it’s fairly simple to see.


Because we always throw bards in the kite or pull teams.. that is where they serve the best purpose on raids. We never put them with the clerics.. who would do that. And the kiters are always hanging out with the bards and the clerics, not setting up pet pulls or anything like that, that would be dumb...


Your attempts to try and throw dumb excuses at this are pretty pathetic.

[zaldaben]

most pull teams I know dont put bards with the pullers so they dont get social....

[Tunabros]

This is what happens when a pandemic hits

[sydbarrett25]

This is what happens when a pandemic hits

[Detoxx]

Please teach me the mechanics of this game, what's that command to rename a guild again?

Sure! All you had to do was ask buddy! Take a look at Furors actual train at Koi. Go to the end and watch how when he dies and the mobs are unaggroed and Loraen tried to aoe tash them out. What do you see there? Spam messages of a wyvern charging.

What this means is that the mobs had no aggro on anyone else when Loststalker died and were reset until Loraen got aggro. Once they aggro someone they trigger messages that show they are aggro.

Also notice how when Loststalker dies, the mobs stop moving briefly because they no longer have anyone on their aggro table. Now lets take these concepts and move them into the second video you posted claiming Furor trained at Eashen.

If those mobs were on Furors, when he flopped they would have briefly stopped moving and then aggroed your raid with spam messages of "a raging wyvern roars as it charges!" This did not happen, they continued right on to Windbardy, who was named as them being assisted on in the video.

Lets move on to bard song aggro. In order for a train that you claim was on Furors to be song aggroed onto a bard they would need to be grouped. Playing bard songs around someone with aggro does not add anyone to the aggro table, they need to be hit by those songs and the only way to be hit by those songs is to be grouped.

Lets move on to the engage of Eashen. When you pull out his 4 guards and bring them west, they have a shared aggro table with whoever is tanking. Anyone who heals or buffs that tank now is on those 4 guards aggro table. When those mobs run into west into another train, they all share their aggro with any mob they come in range with. This was simply your train coming back to your raid after training them away.

Anything else?

[Detoxx]

Because we always throw bards in the kite or pull teams.. that is where they serve the best purpose on raids. We never put them with the clerics.. who would do that. And the kiters are always hanging out with the bards and the clerics, not setting up pet pulls or anything like that, that would be dumb...


Your attempts to try and throw dumb excuses at this are pretty pathetic.

Lol this says all you need to know about what this guy knows about the current meta of the game. Continue being a batphone warrior, it suits you and your knowledge best

[BiG SiP]

This is what happens when a pandemic hits

[Foxplay]

Less toxic when?

[saftbudet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs-qfCUTzx8&ab_channel=LiiaEQ

This is BLATENT evidence of 2-boxing by Furoar. The GMs caught Furoar, the guild leader of Freedom, doing this. They caught him logged in to "Loststalker" training another guild... and you can see in this video that he shouts on Furoar "AG have their #'s?" ... while he is busy training mobs on the <Riot> bot account Loststalker.

We can all agree that this happened. This is irrefutable evidence that Furoar 2-boxed. There is literally no way to dispute the fact that he 2-boxed.

The question is - we all know people that were permanently banned for 2-boxing. Why doesn't the same rule apply to Fuorar? Are his accounts above the p99 ruleset?

[Croco]

Less toxic when?

[regandna]

Did Detoxx silence the prosecutor with his closing statement there? If so, this case might be dismissed!!

[Tunabros]

The funny part is that Furoar used to be a AG and Riot member lol

but his FTE videos are kinda cool :p

[feniin]

https://imgur.com/gallery/XuK7dgc

Freedom and AG leadership are basically every person at this hearing.

[Mikebro]

Y'all are doing great keep it up!

[Ripqozko]

Y'all are doing great keep it up!

think they moved on to the acceptance phase.

[Mikebro]

think they moved on to the acceptance phase.

Whats the over under on new posts tomorrow?

No football tonight... damn it

[Benisato]

Did Detoxx silence the prosecutor with his closing statement there? If so, this case might be dismissed!!

Nah, the kiters have face aggro at most, and as he stated the guards have leash aggro back to Eashen, and if they are mixed in with that train the train has social aggro back to the raid, but was not going where it was intended, meaning Furor most likely dumped more aggro into the train than the kiters had. So there wouldn't be a "Charge" message. Possibly low health aggro, but I never targetted him so not sure. The sitting can also turn mobs to go towards you, hance the spamming sit when he got to us.

Just not worth my time giving him what he wants.. someone to "debate with".. He wasnt even the topic of this discussion, although he should be as well. Server would be better off without either of them in my opinion. God have mercy on Arcler and the officers of Riot for dealing with this every day.

He also never addressed the questions I posed, the video is there for everyone to see Furor clear as day training us. Just like he was just caught doing on another instance. There was no reason for him to be in that hall.. or looking back the way he came from.. or not to flop when he got there like he always does..

Wasn't the first Furors train, won't be the last.. hence the title of this thread.

Feel free to show me evidence to dispute the claim, give me "Fraps" of Furors and Crowns entire time from zoning into ToV that day. until the train in the video I provided.

[Solist]

Because we always throw bards in the kite or pull teams.. that is where they serve the best purpose on raids. We never put them with the clerics.. who would do that. And the kiters are always hanging out with the bards and the clerics, not setting up pet pulls or anything like that, that would be dumb...


Your attempts to try and throw dumb excuses at this are pretty pathetic.

I’m fairly sure you don’t know what is going on in these encounters.

Take a few seconds to examine these videos with someone in riot who is a little less of a delicate offended person and objectively look.


How in the hell would furoar dump more aggro into all those mobs? If this was insta click prayers + stopper days I could MAYBE say that’s possible. But it’s not; and even if it was then the mobs would run straight back to the trainer when he fd’d.

There simply is zero in that video showing furoar training mobs, except him being there. It’s like the Cekk plane of fear video where if you’re a moron you draw conclusions the evidence doesn’t point to.

Also what the shit are all these random terms you keep saying.

As for your clutching at straws about sitting? Lol.

[voydent]

It’s so weird that riot is not allowed to mock anyone from freedom but yet freedom is still free to mock everyone else without repercussions

[saftbudet]

It’s so weird that riot is not allowed to mock anyone from freedom but yet freedom is still free to mock everyone else without repercussions

Big thing here is still a guildleader can train another guild on competing guilds own bot + boxing when doing it. I do not care that everyone says Furoar donated much to p99. It is a scandal he is not permabanned.

[kjs86z]

Known dirty player gets caught training and boxing.

Said player receives slap on the wrist. Other players for lesser offenses have been permabanned.

Money truly makes the world go 'round.

[Detoxx]

Nah, the kiters have face aggro at most, and as he stated the guards have leash aggro back to Eashen, and if they are mixed in with that train the train has social aggro back to the raid, but was not going where it was intended, meaning Furor most likely dumped more aggro into the train than the kiters had. So there wouldn't be a "Charge" message. Possibly low health aggro, but I never targetted him so not sure. The sitting can also turn mobs to go towards you, hance the spamming sit when he got to us.

Just not worth my time giving him what he wants.. someone to "debate with".. He wasnt even the topic of this discussion, although he should be as well. Server would be better off without either of them in my opinion. God have mercy on Arcler and the officers of Riot for dealing with this every day.

He also never addressed the questions I posed, the video is there for everyone to see Furor clear as day training us. Just like he was just caught doing on another instance. There was no reason for him to be in that hall.. or looking back the way he came from.. or not to flop when he got there like he always does..

Wasn't the first Furors train, won't be the last.. hence the title of this thread.

Feel free to show me evidence to dispute the claim, give me "Fraps" of Furors and Crowns entire time from zoning into ToV that day. until the train in the video I provided.

Lol I give up. This simpleton wins. GG

[voydent]

grats Furoar on the Prog FTE.

it's as if his ban did not matter at all lol.

[greasemonk]

grats Furoar on the Prog FTE.

it's as if his ban did not matter at all lol.

Isn't that what this thread is about?

[kjs86z]

Can't wait until I intentionally train the next FRAG raid and eat a ban despite never having any negative history whatsoever (but I also don't donate to P99).

[Twochain]

Can't wait until I intentionally train the next FRAG raid and eat a ban despite never having any negative history whatsoever (but I also don't donate to P99).

Toxigen, I know you're a pretty normal dude, at least relative to p99 standards. But bro. I've already established that the other two instances of something like this happening, had the same level, if not less punishment from GM's as it does this time around.

Also please do, I'll laugh my ass off. And we can test your theory of GM punishment at the same time. Win/Win

[shadowdinah]

Lol lots of riot tears on the forums lately. You all sound like a bunch of babies and it’s hilarious.

[kasterol]

lol imagine sayin riot tears lately....when freedom GL had to log riots bot to train them....whose tears been droppin lately? an man did u see that cycle by AG without daddy freedom? lol

[hotkarlmarxbros]

It's funny you should mention "Riot tears" because I vividly remember the QQ absolutely FLOWING from AM about how Furoar was the dirtiest cheater the server had ever seen. Funny how that all goes away when he's on your side.

And let's be real here. This whole hilarious episode is the tip of the iceberg. Anybody who thinks this is some out of character behavior is either the most naive person to ever touch a computer or part of the same tribal bullshit that makes this place as toxic as it is. Furoar has aggressively trained anyone he felt has slighted him and gotten away with it for quite some time now. Also remember he used a different character, a different ip address, and likely a different install/vm. He had every reason to expect to get away with this, thus the bald faced lying to the GMs when confronted about it. There is no doubt in my mind that someone of his moral character would have any problem using any and all advantages they could get, either in game or out, to compete.

I called him out for his lies in Riot and had to deal with his slanderous comments until he decided to move on. Now the old AM crew (and AG to an extent) embraces and protects him as though he is some kind of pixel messiah feeding the hungry poor. On top of that, they now treat him like a martyr for what is objectively shitbag behavior.

So sure, you see Riot tears. I see hypocrisy and greed sticking up for a scumbag, who, were there any impartiality in the GMs decision, by all rights shouldn't even be playing on this server any more.

[Nexii]

Riptoes got blackballed forever for less!

[kasterol]

does Furoar still have detoxx quote when you inspect him? calling him a cheater rofl

[greasemonk]

Lol lots of riot tears on the forums lately. You all sound like a bunch of babies and it’s hilarious.

Imagine being so invested in your current faction that you don't see anything wrong with using accounts that aren't yours, lying to the GMs, then getting off with a small slap on the wrist.

[greasemonk]

Lol I give up. This simpleton wins. GG

Hell, even the "Co-Leader" is in this thread deflecting, commenting on a very eye opening set of events that could potentially shed light on other aspects of a person's long-standing motives.

Its a tough time of year for everyone, though. Lets make sure that we don't hold anyone accountable for their shitbaggery.

[Capi]

cool who cares I can raid this weekend so I'll see you then

[Detoxx]

grats Furoar on the Prog FTE.

it's as if his ban did not matter at all lol.

Yeah must of been a real blow to lose with Fingerz frame jumping. Good thing he sucks.

[ErlickBachman]

lol imagine sayin riot tears lately....when freedom GL had to log riots bot to train them....whose tears been droppin lately? an man did u see that cycle by AG without daddy freedom? lol

Did you see that Statue today without the AG kiddos?

13737

[Kaitainz]

It's funny you should mention "Riot tears" because I vividly remember the QQ absolutely FLOWING from AM about how Furoar was the dirtiest cheater the server had ever seen. Funny how that all goes away when he's on your side.

And let's be real here. This whole hilarious episode is the tip of the iceberg. Anybody who thinks this is some out of character behavior is either the most naive person to ever touch a computer or part of the same tribal bullshit that makes this place as toxic as it is. Furoar has aggressively trained anyone he felt has slighted him and gotten away with it for quite some time now. Also remember he used a different character, a different ip address, and likely a different install/vm. He had every reason to expect to get away with this, thus the bald faced lying to the GMs when confronted about it. There is no doubt in my mind that someone of his moral character would have any problem using any and all advantages they could get, either in game or out, to compete.

I called him out for his lies in Riot and had to deal with his slanderous comments until he decided to move on. Now the old AM crew (and AG to an extent) embraces and protects him as though he is some kind of pixel messiah feeding the hungry poor. On top of that, they now treat him like a martyr for what is objectively shitbag behavior.

So sure, you see Riot tears. I see hypocrisy and greed sticking up for a scumbag, who, were there any impartiality in the GMs decision, by all rights shouldn't even be playing on this server any more.

Did you see the video they posted in UN crying about supposed cheating while the banned one was playing a new bot? Wow... that really had an impact on him. What a FUCKING joke!

[Capi]

Server Negativity
Spreading negative propaganda about the server and serving no purpose other than to slander the community and it's staff will not be allowed.

The staff works hard to provide this experience to you, and we will not tolerate negative conjecture about our agendas or actions. This includes negative or tasteless comments about current or former staff members. Constructive feedback via substantiated bug reports is always appreciated.

[Israel Adesanya]

1. OP makes a video recording of his own guildie training him
2. OP agros the train while it's on top of him and insta dies

[kasterol]

look at capi trying to play the poor me card...preaching about gm's an negativity ..and your guild leader is the 1 who logged a bot to train the opposing guild? lied about it as well while 2 boxing? still allowed to play other toons as well lol....amazing how blind you guys are

[Swish]

Account sharing, guild mage bots, cleric bots etc... all very classic.

[Bardp1999]

Account sharing, guild mage bots, cleric bots etc... all very classic.

The bots don't bother me so much - the account sharing has completely ruined P99 - Its Chardok AoE levels of ruining P99, maybe worse. People work in shifts over multiple characters to camp shit like Locket of Escape 24 hours per day.

I can't even bring myself to log in regularly - but maybe P99 is best enjoyed 2 days per month anyways

[BarnabusCollins]

List was a bad idea.

[Capi]

Na bro just trying to save you a forum account.

[Mikebro]

Trump was your president... why can't Furoars still be Freedoms leader?

[Mblake81]

Account sharing, guild mage bots, cleric bots etc... all very classic.

Wasn't the first level 50 wizard leveled up by account sharing back in the day? where did I read that..

I am for sure not defending it, I can't compete with real gamers.

[Viscere]

Fingerz from Riot gets caught cheating and yall defend him

Server white knights yall

[Toryas]

Fingerz from Riot gets caught cheating and yall defend him

Server white knights yall

No proof. Yet let's ignore the fact the guy who got 2boxing and logging in an opposing guilds bot to train them is... still playing. Right.

Has he noticed you yet?

[Evia]

No proof. Yet let's ignore the fact the guy who got 2boxing and logging in an opposing guilds bot to train them is... still playing. Right.

Has he noticed you yet?

Oh none of that matters because ??reasons?? And riot tears and it’s a very hard time of year.

[Viscere]

erm I mean, it's on fraps, GM also commented about it adding further restrictions

You harbor a cheater

[Toryas]

erm I mean, it's on fraps, GM also commented about it adding further restrictions

You harbor a cheater

Yet it's just been confirmed he wasn't doing what he was accused of?

Has he noticed you yet?

[kasterol]

lol only freedom and ag would cry about using scale of wolf an calling it cheating...an still lookin past what they did is completely different lol

[Viscere]

^ tears and salt

[icedwards]

You harbor a cheater

https://i.imgur.com/ajOdTmw.png

[xdrcfrx]

You harbor a cheater

[kaizersoze]

Fingerz from Riot gets caught cheating and yall defend him

Server white knights yall

How does your foot taste?

[icedwards]

You harbor a cheater

Just a reminder:

Your GM is not happy right now.

After the multi week raid suspension, we were hopeful that folks would cooperate a bit more. Maybe some of those that have been a bit over-immersed would see the clear message sent by server staff to stop wasting everyone's time. Unfortunately, earlier today, someone decided that it would be a good idea to log onto a shared character for the sole purpose of training an opposing raid force. Based on the video shared, this was obviously completely premeditated and intentional.

We figured out who that player was. We reached out just in case they had a weak moment and did a dumb thing. Unfortunately, he denied all allegations, which led to multiple additional hours of staff time digging through logs, only to come to the same conclusion. I don't like being lied to. I don't like having staff time wasted.

Furoar was that player that logged on to the wizard that trained Riot’s raid force. We know this with 100% certainty. We look to Leaders within our community to set an example for how others should behave while playing on P99. As a Guild Leader, Furoar should be a paragon of upstanding behavior. His actions violated the trust that our server staff has put in him. It has also violated the trust of the many upstanding players who are members of Freedom, who are just looking to enjoy the game, and will now have to deal with the consequences of his actions.

Furoar and every account he has used consistently is suspended until January 1st, 2021. This includes bots.

Freedom is completely raid suspended for two weeks starting on 11/25 at 12:01PM.
A snapshot of their roster has been captured.
You may enter raid zones for the sole purpose of movement - do not linger or kill things.

If any other bullshit like this is pulled we will take much more drastic measures.

Also, a message to Riot, AG and other players. Mocking or harassing Freedom members over this suspension may be viewed by server staff as toxic behavior and handled accordingly. The members of Freedom are undoubtedly having to deal with a lot right now… Please don’t make it any worse.

Play the game, stop interfering in other player’s raid forces.

Spare us the pearl clutching

[BiG SiP]

;)

[Ripqozko]

Imagine losing velious and caring about this in year 5. Sorry you didn’t get to raid when it mattered.

[Swish]

@Menden

How about flagging guilds for pvp and let them go at it in these contested spots. Have a hands off approach and take a well deserved break.

[Tunabros]

respawn the sleeper

[baakss]

Yeah must of been a real blow to lose with Fingerz frame jumping.


https://i.imgur.com/wpwvNq2.png


You speak with such conviction and yet you were totally wrong.

Dumbass.

[getsome]

Only reasonable conclusion, likely used scale and frame jumped.

[Detoxx]

Only reasonable conclusion, likely used scale and frame jumped.

He did, but it cant be proven.

[baakss]

He did, but it cant be proven.

Laughable.

I used to also think it was laughable how you've managed to stand by your man after he went full psycho hyjal and trained another guild on their bot.

But now I think it's kind of sweet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM-b8P1yj9w

[feniin]

Imagine crying over someone using a level 24 spell.

[Ripqozko]

https://youtu.be/HITM6abtKVw

Remember when A/A use to frame jump and still lost, Pepperidge farms remembers.

[Mikebro]

https://youtu.be/HITM6abtKVw

Remember when A/A use to frame jump and still lost, Pepperidge farms remembers.

The mouth breathing at 1:02 though...

[Ripqozko]

The mouth breathing at 1:02 though...

Sure turn it personal, why not

[Evia]

The clapping at the end with the grunted "yea!" was my favorite part.

[Mikebro]

Sure turn it personal, why not

Sorry you're out of breath from looking at warder loot.

[getsome]

Sorry you're out of breath from looking at warder loot.

Not even him. As melania would say “be better”

[Ripqozko]

Not even him. As melania would say “be better”

Yea it's not me I'm the low woohoo in background not the foreground. Still dumb to be personal about it.

[Mikebro]

Confirmed rustled

[Croco]

Imagine losing velious and caring about this in year 5. Sorry you didn’t get to raid when it mattered.

Imagine thinking raiding velious on a free emu server mattered over a decade after people were doing it "when it mattered" in era on live servers. Sorry you got fake warder loot.

[Ripqozko]

Imagine thinking raiding velious on a free emu server mattered over a decade after people were doing it "when it mattered" in era on live servers. Sorry you got fake warder loot.

Consider green you can catch that wave still.

[Croco]

Consider green you can catch that wave still.

sorry you got fake warder loot

[Ripqozko]

sorry you got fake warder loot

Sorry you are a dps monk

[Viscere]

Sure turn it personal, why not

Lolll

Confirmed rustled jimmies

Sorry you got a velium staff and man boobs

[Ripqozko]

Lolll

Confirmed rustled jimmies

Sorry you got a velium staff and man boobs

Wasn't even me, dumbass read the follow-ups, should know my voice anyways

[Croco]

Sorry you are a dps monk

sorry you got fake warder loot, hope this helps

[voydent]

https://i.imgur.com/ajOdTmw.png

[Twochain]

https://youtu.be/HITM6abtKVw

Remember when A/A use to frame jump and still lost, Pepperidge farms remembers.

I really don't understand why people are against racing+lockouts for ToV again... it was SO much fun. It's the most inclusive option available. It would save every guild 1000+ man hours a week. You would still have to dungeon crawl to kill the mob..

WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM TRYING THIS OUT AGAIN?

[kaizersoze]

I really don't understand why people are against racing+lockouts for ToV again... it was SO much fun. It's the most inclusive option available. It would save every guild 1000+ man hours a week. You would still have to dungeon crawl to kill the mob..

WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM TRYING THIS OUT AGAIN?

Sorry the server doesnt want suicide mariokart for FTE. It shifted away from 3 people getting all the "glory" for a reason.

[Ripqozko]

Sorry the server doesnt want suicide mariokart for FTE. It shifted away from 3 people getting all the "glory" for a reason.

There was less frivolous petitions and casuals had it easier with lockouts.

[Ruhtar]

There was less frivolous petitions and casuals had it easier with lockouts.

This.

As a casual, I miss the pixel pinatas at zone in. Let the east coast neckbeards have their moment in the sun. It'll be the P99 version of Make-A-Wish. #obesitykills

[Ripqozko]

This.

As a casual, I miss the pixel pinatas at zone in. Let the east coast neckbeards have their moment in the sun. It'll be the P99 version of Make-A-Wish. #obesitykills

Not really sure what your point was, they are still rooted even when race and lockouts.

[Ruhtar]

Not really sure what your point was, they are still rooted even when race and lockouts.

Oh my bad. I only half ass read the other replies. I thought it was pre-root racing talk.

I still stand by what I said though.

Also, I'm glad you got warder loot. It went to a good cause. #MakeAWish #obesitykills

[Ripqozko]

Oh my bad. I only half ass read the other replies. I thought it was pre-root racing talk.

I still stand by what I said though.

Also, I'm glad you got warder loot. It went to a good cause. #MakeAWish #obesitykills

Sorry you don't, glad you got to finally raid.

[Ruhtar]

Sorry you don't, glad you got to finally raid.

Thank you, Ripquasimodo. Took a lot of time and money to pay devs to implement Dragon voice to text key input to work with P99. But wow, was it worth it.

[matticas]

There was less frivolous petitions and casuals had it easier with lockouts.

[BarnabusCollins]

Conception kills.

[Benisato]

Dont mind me.. Just warm bodying over here ...

Potential Server First? Essence Mace..

[Fammaden]

Are you even 60? I was xp'ing in the hole with you last week.

Grats on mace.

[Benisato]

Are you even 60? I was xp'ing in the hole with you last week.

Grats on mace.

58, almost 59

[sydbarrett25]

Dont mind me.. Just warm bodying over here ...

Potential Server First? Essence Mace..

Grats man!

[OuterChimp]

That mace is vendor trash...not even worth putting on my l33t pet.

[Benisato]

Grats man!

Thanks! Just going to use it until I get epic then I will probably swap it for earring or ranged.

[Twochain]

Dont mind me.. Just warm bodying over here ...

Potential Server First? Essence Mace..

Lmao is that a statue hammer? Shits good DPS, but i'd mand hand the mace if I were you. I'm assuming you are a warrior, but I guess you could be a bard. Either way my point stands. The hammer might parse a little better on shit in the hole, but the sustainability + dps + agro of the essence mace far outweighs that.

That mace is vendor trash...not even worth putting on my l33t pet.

Na, I have very little doubt that Gharns + Mace is Bis for solo/duo monks. Life tap procs = OP.

[Twochain]

Oh my bad. I only half ass read the other replies. I thought it was pre-root racing talk.

I still stand by what I said though.

Also, I'm glad you got warder loot. It went to a good cause. #MakeAWish #obesitykills

Seems like harassment to me. Ramen isn't even in any raiding guild, why are you mad because he agreed that racing is something we need to try again. Wrong think? #obesitykills? Is that supposed to be clever? You're probably the type of guy who says something really fucking awkward in real life during a confrontation and then goes home and thinks to themselves "I really got that mf this time"

[Twochain]

Sorry the server doesnt want suicide mariokart for FTE. It shifted away from 3 people getting all the "glory" for a reason.

The server doesn't want to race for mobs?

Sounds like RIOT doesn't want to try it out. I can't see any harm at all to test it out for a couple of months. I don't want to put words into anyone's mouth.... but I would be willing to bet that Freedom and Azure Guard would be willing to try it out for a few months.

And any guild outside of the big 3 mentioned who wouldn't be interested in racing for Tov mobs for a few months..... would probably be a little confused. All it takes is one person on the line. Kittens would easily be able to compete for most mobs in tov during prime time. Really any guild that could make enough alliances to get 60-70 people to tov would be able to have a real chance at every mob that spawns. At present moment, during primetime, realistically the only guild who could even attempt tov mobs outside of the main 3 is Kittens. And even then, it would have be to under the circumstance of a stalemate, or another more important mob spawning so they could snipe an aary or something like that.

My point is.... why wouldn't casuals like to participate in this? It gives them the best chance possible to secure a mob in tov.


Which leads me to......... only Riot not willing to try it out

I'd love input from anyone in a guild that is not riot/azure guard/freedom.

[Benisato]

Lmao is that a statue hammer? Shits good DPS, but i'd mand hand the mace if I were you. I'm assuming you are a warrior, but I guess you could be a bard. Either way my point stands. The hammer might parse a little better on shit in the hole, but the sustainability + dps + agro of the essence mace far outweighs that.



Na, I have very little doubt that Gharns + Mace is Bis for solo/duo monks. Life tap procs = OP.

Bard, and yes the hammer is the statue hammer, was practically a freebie, my weapons were garbage. Didn't need to actually attack stuff until lvl 56. Just run in circles and burn things to the ground. Mace replaced a Crescent Blades of Luclin hah. I wish the statue hammer wasn't Primary only. Hopefully I will have epic soon though.

[Twochain]

Sorry the server doesnt want suicide mariokart for FTE. It shifted away from 3 people getting all the "glory" for a reason.

Also a 3 person racer limit dumb in my opinion. I think all racer limits should be no less than 6, and no more than 15.


Lets say the number is 10. There's more than one zone. There is what... 72 hours in an average cycle? 60-72 is probably about right after 2-3 cycles following a quake.

My point is, there is a lot of hours, zones, and opportunity for everyone who is interested to race for mobs.. to do so. Even considering guilds "heavy hitters", there will still be 5-6 slots available for less experienced players to give it a try. And then...... YOU STILL HAVE TO CRAWL. It's the same exact experience we have now, except without the constant rule lawyering. And the stale mates. And the trains. And the CONCEDE NOW's.

Seems black and white to me idk. The worst that could happen is nobody likes it and we go back to the shit show it is now.

[feniin]

The server doesn't want to race for mobs?

Sounds like RIOT doesn't want to try it out. I can't see any harm at all to test it out for a couple of months. I don't want to put words into anyone's mouth.... but I would be willing to bet that Freedom and Azure Guard would be willing to try it out for a few months.

And any guild outside of the big 3 mentioned who wouldn't be interested in racing for Tov mobs for a few months..... would probably be a little confused. All it takes is one person on the line. Kittens would easily be able to compete for most mobs in tov during prime time. Really any guild that could make enough alliances to get 60-70 people to tov would be able to have a real chance at every mob that spawns. At present moment, during primetime, realistically the only guild who could even attempt tov mobs outside of the main 3 is Kittens. And even then, it would have be to under the circumstance of a stalemate, or another more important mob spawning so they could snipe an aary or something like that.

My point is.... why wouldn't casuals like to participate in this? It gives them the best chance possible to secure a mob in tov.


Which leads me to......... only Riot not willing to try it out

I'd love input from anyone in a guild that is not riot/azure guard/freedom.

Testing it out like the Dain racing rules? Yeah, no thanks.

[azeth]

Dont mind me.. Just warm bodying over here ...

Potential Server First? Essence Mace..

Why is the essence lens quest available on p99?

[Ripqozko]

Why is the essence lens quest available on p99?

It was proven to be in timeline in sept on live with logs to back it up.

[xdrcfrx]

been enough issues with footraces in other zones that I don't know making everything in ToV a footrace is really going to be a viable answer.

Since kael was turned to footraces, I think a grand total of six (6) different people have actually won an FTE? That doesn't seem like a really good distribution of opportunity.

[Ripqozko]

been enough issues with footraces in other zones that I don't know making everything in ToV a footrace is really going to be a viable answer.

Since kael was turned to footraces, I think a grand total of six (6) different people have actually won an FTE? That doesn't seem like a really good distribution of opportunity.

Being first off line matters less in tov past aary

[kjs86z]

You're probably the type of guy who says something really fucking awkward in real life during a confrontation and then goes home and thinks to themselves "I really got that mf this time"

lmao

[baakss]

Since kael was turned to footraces, I think a grand total of six (6) different people have actually won an FTE? That doesn't seem like a really good distribution of opportunity.

Yeah, and one of those six had an angry / psychotic mental breakdown and trained another guild on their bot.

The pressure appears to be too much for some of them as it is.

[-TK-]

The pressure appears to be too much for some of them as it is.

I guess hard times will do that to a person.

[kaizersoze]

The server doesn't want to race for mobs?

Sounds like RIOT doesn't want to try it out. I can't see any harm at all to test it out for a couple of months. I don't want to put words into anyone's mouth.... but I would be willing to bet that Freedom and Azure Guard would be willing to try it out for a few months.

And any guild outside of the big 3 mentioned who wouldn't be interested in racing for Tov mobs for a few months..... would probably be a little confused. All it takes is one person on the line. Kittens would easily be able to compete for most mobs in tov during prime time. Really any guild that could make enough alliances to get 60-70 people to tov would be able to have a real chance at every mob that spawns. At present moment, during primetime, realistically the only guild who could even attempt tov mobs outside of the main 3 is Kittens. And even then, it would have be to under the circumstance of a stalemate, or another more important mob spawning so they could snipe an aary or something like that.

My point is.... why wouldn't casuals like to participate in this? It gives them the best chance possible to secure a mob in tov.


Which leads me to......... only Riot not willing to try it out

I'd love input from anyone in a guild that is not riot/azure guard/freedom.

Who races for statue, KT, dain, ST and VP atm? Riot, AG / F, sometimes Kittens. When I see Dawn Believers, TSS, Lighthouse, Aegis and every other guild on the racelines, then we can say "ItSjUsTrIoTtHaTdOeSnTwAnTrAcEs" The casuals you say who want it, clearly dont in the areas that have it, so your point is kind of moot.

[kaizersoze]

(also double post)

And we shouldn't raise the limit of racers because AG / F have shitters like Capi who will sit in front of mobs to leash them on purpose so they can get a new FTE. Fewer people = easier to prove shenanigans.

[Ripqozko]

(also double post)

And we shouldn't raise the limit of racers because AG / F have shitters like Capi who will sit in front of mobs to leash them on purpose so they can get a new FTE. Fewer people = easier to prove shenanigans.

Lockouts would solve this issue

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Yeah, the vast majority of the server does not want races as evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of the server...doesn't race. All this crying for racing is just the handful of people losing trying to change the rules until they can find something that benefits them. I remember the previous iteration of Kael races taking place because of the same bitching and the same losers kept losing, changing their complaint from 'pixel detection super coth' to 'pixel detection auto race' or whatever. So then after even more complaining from the vocal minority, it got changed to coths in Kael again. And now we have racing in Kael again. The complaining never stops until one party feels they have a strict advantage with the current ruleset, and all we have are half ass ideas of 'competition' implemented with oversight that could be described as aloof and whimsical at best and nobody ever satisfied.

If I were you and I wanted to slay the big bad Riot beast, I would look at lobbying for some kind of ruleset that has a zerg tax. Bag limits were one idea that was thrown around, but that quickly breaks down when you consider that many people would just make alt guilds to try to grab more pieces of the pie, changing it from a guild with zerg numbers to a zerg number of guilds. I had a fun idea of having Tunare be decided by having a 'per capita' competition to see how many mob kills your guild could rack up in growth divided by the maximum number of players you had in zone at any time. Not really able to be tracked in any way that this would ever be a solution, but certainly something along these lines could be figured out by someone smarter and who cared more than I do that would then let any given entity compete for any given engagement.

[Ripqozko]

Yeah, the vast majority of the server does not want races as evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of the server...doesn't race. All this crying for racing is just the handful of people losing trying to change the rules until they can find something that benefits them. I remember the previous iteration of Kael races taking place because of the same bitching and the same losers kept losing, changing their complaint from 'pixel detection super coth' to 'pixel detection auto race' or whatever. So then after even more complaining from the vocal minority, it got changed to coths in Kael again. And now we have racing in Kael again. The complaining never stops until one party feels they have a strict advantage with the current ruleset, and all we have are half ass ideas of 'competition' implemented with oversight that could be described as aloof and whimsical at best and nobody ever satisfied.

If I were you and I wanted to slay the big bad Riot beast, I would look at lobbying for some kind of ruleset that has a zerg tax. Bag limits were one idea that was thrown around, but that quickly breaks down when you consider that many people would just make alt guilds to try to grab more pieces of the pie, changing it from a guild with zerg numbers to a zerg number of guilds. I had a fun idea of having Tunare be decided by having a 'per capita' competition to see how many mob kills your guild could rack up in growth divided by the maximum number of players you had in zone at any time. Not really able to be tracked in any way that this would ever be a solution, but certainly something along these lines could be figured out by someone smarter and who cared more than I do that would then let any given entity compete for any given engagement.

None of the small guilds race because it's a live pull and no lockouts , small guilds can't /won't pre park and be ready on a whim. With lockouts and time they can kill anything. This whole "they don't race so fuck them" thing is dumb cause there is no lockouts . Can't compare yet. In 2017 when there was lockouts both rustle and AG ran (ag wasn't the AG of now and we're casual). Compare it to then if you wanna compare, most likely you didn't raid then tho neither did have the people in this thread.

[hotkarlmarxbros]

I absolutely think that lockouts would create a more inclusive atmosphere that allow other guilds access to content. On the other hand, having the lockouts determined by racing effectively excludes 99% of the players on the server from competing, an objective GIANT LEAP in the direction of exclusivity. Even more annoyingly, it reinforces this wall staring paradigm that is not only fucking terrible, it isn't even strictly classic.

[Ripqozko]

I absolutely think that lockouts would create a more inclusive atmosphere that allow other guilds access to content. On the other hand, having the lockouts determined by racing effectively excludes 99% of the players on the server from competing, an objective GIANT LEAP in the direction of exclusivity. Even more annoyingly, it reinforces this wall staring paradigm that is not only fucking terrible, it isn't even strictly classic.

This is just dumb , you can have million on line back in day, don’t limit racers. there was no exclusivity. It helped casuals a lot having time to setup, they won’t compete on live pulls. Did you raid in 2017?

[hotkarlmarxbros]

I'm not talking about exclusivity in the sense of how many people are allowed on the line. I mean it in the sense that not everybody is a racer. People can contribute in a ton of ways under the current system that sets your guild up for success. Clutch blurs, skillful pulls, cleric chains breaking off to effectively heal adds getting off tanked, bots parked, DKP tracked, etc. Saying that all mobs are now determined by a race effectively locks out everyone that doesn't want to or is unable to race from competing for content, which is the vast majority of the players on the server. Hell, even parking yourself and responding to a bp quickly is a worthwhile metric for success that goes out the window.

I didn't start playing EQ until last year, but I don't need to have raided when races were a thing to realize how many many people, including people in the guilds winning mobs, that completely removes from the competitive element of the game. Shit, when I was in AM I never saw you on the line, either. Only heard you pop into TS to talk shit or ask if people want DS lol.

[Ripqozko]

I'm not talking about exclusivity in the sense of how many people are allowed on the line. I mean it in the sense that not everybody is a racer. People can contribute in a ton of ways under the current system that sets your guild up for success. Clutch blurs, skillful pulls, cleric chains breaking off to effectively heal adds getting off tanked, bots parked, DKP tracked, etc. Saying that all mobs are now determined by a race effectively locks out everyone that doesn't want to or is unable to race from competing for content, which is the vast majority of the players on the server. Hell, even parking yourself and responding to a bp quickly is a worthwhile metric for success that goes out the window.

I didn't start playing EQ until last year, but I don't need to have raided when races were a thing to realize how many many people, including people in the guilds winning mobs, that completely removes from the competitive element of the game. Shit, when I was in AM I never saw you on the line, either. Only heard you pop into TS to talk shit or ask if people want DS lol.

What are you talking about there was no line in AM. Tov races ended before Rustle disbanded. I did plenty of time in roles including raid leading in AM, who were you in AM? Probably no one. You still have to go fight to the mobs even with lockouts.

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Kael races absolutely existed when both you and I were in AM. Kinda funny that the guy advocating for races doesn't even know where the race line is.

[Ripqozko]

Kael races absolutely existed when both you and I were in AM. Kinda funny that the guy advocating for races doesn't even know where the race line is.

Kael racing is not tov racing and lockouts didn’t exist, hope that helps. Who were you again?

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Kael racing is racing, and you didn't do it. Your actions speak volumes more than your empty words.

[Ripqozko]

Kael racing is racing, and you didn't do it. Your actions speak volumes more than your empty words.

Gonna keep staying anon or say who ya are?

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Sorry you didn't get in game name

[Ripqozko]

Sorry you didn't get in game name

Just another fake riot person spewing rhetoric, sorry you are afraid to say who you are.

[Viscere]

Afraid of telling who you are ?

Doesnt make you cool but just another criot pussy

[hotkarlmarxbros]

What? This is smashh. im just giving ramen shit cuz hes a little bitch lol

[Twochain]

I absolutely think that lockouts would create a more inclusive atmosphere that allow other guilds access to content. On the other hand, having the lockouts determined by racing effectively excludes 99% of the players on the server from competing, an objective GIANT LEAP in the direction of exclusivity. Even more annoyingly, it reinforces this wall staring paradigm that is not only fucking terrible, it isn't even strictly classic.

I really like roll offs instead of race on spawn. It's sane. It also all but eliminates the advantages of running say, pixel detection software.


In terms of practicing runs... I could personally hold training sessions if needed. There are plenty of raiders like Conda who would all but love to teach any casual how to race. It's really not that hard. ToV especially. It's way more of a crap shoot than the other races. It's about not dying, not necessarily being the leader. Practicing KT/Statue runs, and dain runs should take all but 2 hours to be competitive.

THE ONLY drawback of racing, that I can think of, is DA idols. I remember that being a bottleneck to casual guilds.

Can someone fill me in on the issues with Dain racing? What happened? Are we talking about when we had to zone in from Thurg? If so, 10 minute roll off is an easy fix. LMK otherwise.

Lockouts are definitely the most inclusive option. I could join dawn believers and dunk a vulak fte on these hoes day 1. With racing and lockouts, we could also easily structure the rules so that a race is a conclusive event. I.E, 90% less raid petitions. 90% less rule lawyer. ALSO, I think racer limits should have nothing to do with alliances. 10 per guild no matter what. THAT WAY, I could win vulak fte as a dawn believer, and then choose which guild to ally with to kill the mob. I would choose Riot, so that Jestuh cannot become a best in slot druid.


Now that FPS is locked at 60, even some of the total caveman shit that was going on in the previous era of racing (From what I heard, setting your fps to like 10 fps and spamming alt tab and shit while jumping? Yuck.)

[hotkarlmarxbros]

I really don't like racing as a the means of competition. It's a contrivance that is otherwise alien to any other part of the gameplay that exists, and then puts this contrivance as the sole gatekeeping mechanism to all of the end game content. And let's be real, it adds no dimension of inclusiveness, it just reinforces the idea that to play the end game we need to have playmakers staring at walls. Most other guilds cbf to even afk a tracker to pretend to have a way of getting the timers that they mysteriously somehow wind up with lol. The idea that they would field a competitive pool of racers to stare at walls for 16 hours per dragon is far fetched at best.

That being said, I'm definitely still sympathetic to the Freedom position. You want to win some dragons without having to carry around or scrounge up any extra baggage. Totally understandable. I just wish the conversation could move past the idea that the only way to compete is to race. Honestly, if I had it my way, raid mobs would not respawn without a quake, and a quake would be automated to occur randomly 1 to 13 days since the previous one. Same number of targets on average each week, everyone could choose their targets, if you lose one to someone else, just go snag something else while they are busy and engaged. No more staring at walls, no more relying on ridiculous number of man hours to track and race and put in tods, no more scripting coths or runs, none of that. Any and all drama would be confined to a tight window on average once a week, reducing the GM overhead to that small window.

Sure this is never likely to happen, but who knows with some overwhelming community support. Honestly, it isn't even that "unclassic" as server resets were definitely a thing that occurred regularly, and not at the whims of the admins how it is now, but for distinct reasons to improve the game and move it forward. Who's to say that the quakes being the mock server resets that they are aren't the very thing that improves the game and moves it forward.

At the end of the day, though, I just wish people interested in competing would throw a fresh idea out there rather than just repeating the same thing over and over. See what else the community might be interested in. Maybe the community even has ideas that you would be interested in.

[Ripqozko]

What? This is smashh. im just giving ramen shit cuz hes a little bitch lol

you joined at tail end , you dont even know me

[OuterChimp]

you joined at tail end , you dont even know me

Dude! It's me, Bob! We grew up together on Baker Street! RemembeR?

[sydbarrett25]

you joined at tail end , you dont even know me

https://youtu.be/QFcv5Ma8u8k

[k9quaint]

Ramen jimmies confirmed rustled.

[Ripqozko]

Ramen jimmies confirmed rustled.

Clearly sorry I don’t remember every app, hope that helps.

[Fammaden]

Honestly, if I had it my way, raid mobs would not respawn without a quake, and a quake would be automated to occur randomly 1 to 13 days since the previous one. Same number of targets on average each week, everyone could choose their targets, if you lose one to someone else, just go snag something else while they are busy and engaged. No more staring at walls, no more relying on ridiculous number of man hours to track and race and put in tods, no more scripting coths or runs, none of that. Any and all drama would be confined to a tight window on average once a week, reducing the GM overhead to that small window.

^ Rog/Bog heed these words puh'leese.

[sydbarrett25]

^ Rog/Bog heed these words puh'leese.

[hobart]

The problem with footraces is the problem with any other metric.

Whenever Detoxx's guild is getting its fill of pixels the metric is fair. As soon as a metric stops working for them, we need a new metric.

Riot found the metric that Detoxx can't compete with -- Don't be a toxic piece of shit and talk down to your members, and don't allow your members to talk to each other that way. More people will want to join you than want to join them. That's how Riot was built.

[Vianna]

The problem with footraces is the problem with any other metric.

Whenever Detoxx's guild is getting its fill of pixels the metric is fair. As soon as a metric stops working for them, we need a new metric.

Riot found the metric that Detoxx can't compete with -- Don't be a toxic piece of shit and talk down to your members, and don't allow your members to talk to each other that way. More people will want to join you than want to join them. That's how Riot was built.

That's not really true. But carry on.

[Fammaden]

This is 'merica, Freedom don't use no metrics.

[pogs4ever]

only spawning raid mobs on quake would be best custom content.

also rooting VP dragons and leash mechanics on Velious Kings.

[Twochain]

I really don't like racing as a the means of competition. It's a contrivance that is otherwise alien to any other part of the gameplay that exists, and then puts this contrivance as the sole gatekeeping mechanism to all of the end game content. And let's be real, it adds no dimension of inclusiveness, it just reinforces the idea that to play the end game we need to have playmakers staring at walls. Most other guilds cbf to even afk a tracker to pretend to have a way of getting the timers that they mysteriously somehow wind up with lol. The idea that they would field a competitive pool of racers to stare at walls for 16 hours per dragon is far fetched at best.

That being said, I'm definitely still sympathetic to the Freedom position. You want to win some dragons without having to carry around or scrounge up any extra baggage. Totally understandable. I just wish the conversation could move past the idea that the only way to compete is to race. Honestly, if I had it my way, raid mobs would not respawn without a quake, and a quake would be automated to occur randomly 1 to 13 days since the previous one. Same number of targets on average each week, everyone could choose their targets, if you lose one to someone else, just go snag something else while they are busy and engaged. No more staring at walls, no more relying on ridiculous number of man hours to track and race and put in tods, no more scripting coths or runs, none of that. Any and all drama would be confined to a tight window on average once a week, reducing the GM overhead to that small window.

Sure this is never likely to happen, but who knows with some overwhelming community support. Honestly, it isn't even that "unclassic" as server resets were definitely a thing that occurred regularly, and not at the whims of the admins how it is now, but for distinct reasons to improve the game and move it forward. Who's to say that the quakes being the mock server resets that they are aren't the very thing that improves the game and moves it forward.

At the end of the day, though, I just wish people interested in competing would throw a fresh idea out there rather than just repeating the same thing over and over. See what else the community might be interested in. Maybe the community even has ideas that you would be interested in.


I hear what you’re saying. But in the rooted dragon meta, I personally cannot think of a “fresh idea” I really don’t think we have very many options anymore. Not with encounters requiring 100+ people.

[feniin]

Detoxx is on life support after losing his only chance at owning a SoD.

[baakss]

I hear what you’re saying. But in the rooted dragon meta, I personally cannot think of a “fresh idea” I really don’t think we have very many options anymore. Not with encounters requiring 100+ people.

Someone had suggested tallying up trash killed towards the dragon and weighting them based on raid size.

I don't think that it's an ideal meta, but there are definitely unique ideas out there that have not been tried before.

[Viscere]

Imagine going ad hominem at someone over pixels

seek medical attention

[Toryas]

Imagine going ad hominem at someone over pixels

seek medical attention

Isn't that what you do each time you call someone a "criot pussy"?

Take your own advice.

[charmcitysking]

This is 'merica, Freedom don't use no metrics.

only in our ammunition

[OuterChimp]

only in our ammunition

Commies say Five Five Six! Muricans' say Too Too Tree!

[Terrok]

it is interesting that someone banned from the server it talking about raiding on x mas day. He just cares that much about us...

[Hyjalx]

It's been 3+ years since that Vulak train, lol. Yall still talking about it. Honestly, it was by far the best decision I made on blue. I took a suspension and a blacklisting from AW & AM and never blinked. I instead raced yall with randoms all hours of the night to deprive you of sleep in ToV for a year straight. BoB killing CT on top of AM and AW corpses pretty much was the final nail in the coffin for AM. Awakened was suspended basically for the rest of its life as soon as I was removed. That train simply put me out of my misery and proved to be the right decision.

I was#2 in tracking and fte hours. Behind only "the machine". I held down the late night raid force for the top guild for almost 2 years while most were getting their beauty sleep. Thru all my faults, nobody can ever say I wasn't the rock of the late night team in Awakened.

It wasn't rage. It was burn out. I left 3900 dkp on the table and gave zero fuss about it. Foot racing is not real Everquest. Neither is Rooted dragons.

It served both guilds right for making an agreement against ol' Hyjal anyway.

[Hyjalx]

Much love for the late night team back then. Mani/Quean, Fingerz, Yumyum, Eratani.... a and of course Kelz once he joined. All put in a ton of work. We def had a good run.

[Toryas]

It wasn't rage. It was burn out. I left 3900 dkp on the table and gave zero fuss about it.


Ladies and gentlemen, a modern day hero. Maybe you should life coach Kabull. He's super salty about putting in those hours and not getting a severance package.

[kjs86z]

It's been 3+ years since that Vulak train, lol. Yall still talking about it. Honestly, it was by far the best decision I made on blue. I took a suspension and a blacklisting from AW & AM and never blinked. I instead raced yall with randoms all hours of the night to deprive you of sleep in ToV for a year straight. BoB killing CT on top of AM and AW corpses pretty much was the final nail in the coffin for AM. Awakened was suspended basically for the rest of its life as soon as I was removed. That train simply put me out of my misery and proved to be the right decision.

I was#2 in tracking and fte hours. Behind only "the machine". I held down the late night raid force for the top guild for almost 2 years while most were getting their beauty sleep. Thru all my faults, nobody can ever say I wasn't the rock of the late night team in Awakened.

It wasn't rage. It was burn out. I left 3900 dkp on the table and gave zero fuss about it. Foot racing is not real Everquest. Neither is Rooted dragons.

It served both guilds right for making an agreement against ol' Hyjal anyway.

seek help

[Twochain]

It's been 3+ years since that Vulak train, lol. Yall still talking about it. Honestly, it was by far the best decision I made on blue. I took a suspension and a blacklisting from AW & AM and never blinked. I instead raced yall with randoms all hours of the night to deprive you of sleep in ToV for a year straight. BoB killing CT on top of AM and AW corpses pretty much was the final nail in the coffin for AM. Awakened was suspended basically for the rest of its life as soon as I was removed. That train simply put me out of my misery and proved to be the right decision.

I was#2 in tracking and fte hours. Behind only "the machine". I held down the late night raid force for the top guild for almost 2 years while most were getting their beauty sleep. Thru all my faults, nobody can ever say I wasn't the rock of the late night team in Awakened.

It wasn't rage. It was burn out. I left 3900 dkp on the table and gave zero fuss about it. Foot racing is not real Everquest. Neither is Rooted dragons.

It served both guilds right for making an agreement against ol' Hyjal anyway.

I only brought that up as a comparison to the current train scenario. It does sound like you made out in the end.

And for the record, while lord bob late night raiding was kind of a meme, I tip my fedora to you bro. FR. Getting every random non raider on the server and convincing them to get to ToV and try to take on the top guilds... is not something I could do. I'd give up on that shit pretty quickly as soon as i saw the chain. hahaha.

[Terrok]

http://dkp.freedom.guild99.org/index.php/Character/Furoar-7.html?

[Viscere]

he got under your skin real good though , this bad you wanna necro this thread

sick burn bro

[kjs86z]

- Have one of the shadiest reputations on server
- Train opposing raid force while multiboxing (highly bannable)
- Nothing happens

https://youtu.be/PBwAxmrE194

[Viscere]

What do you mean nothing happened?

We got raid banned :confused:

you really deserve your name <Criot>

[greasemonk]

What do you mean nothing happened?

We got raid banned :confused:

you really deserve your name <Criot>

http://dkp.freedom.guild99.org/index.php/Character/Furoar-7.html?

70% raid attendance last month. When did he get banned again?

[kjs86z]

Cash rules everything around me, C.R.E.A.M.

Its the money, dolla dolla bills yaaaaalllllll

[Viscere]

we have an army of bots, you play them, you get deekaypee

sorry you're mad the staff did not think the offense warranted an IP bad

keep antagonizing them though, usually ends in a 2 month bann for the offenders (cc Fingerz :D)

[greasemonk]

I love how you deflect that this is an issue with the staff and not your internal politics.

This only confirms that Freedom saw nothing wrong with what Furor did and instead rewarded him for his actions.

[Mikebro]

I love how you deflect that this is an issue with the staff and not your internal politics.

This only confirms that Freedom saw nothing wrong with what Furor did and instead rewarded him for his actions.

Thats how trolls work pal... ignore the scrub and he'll go back in his hole.

[pogs4ever]

Furoar has pretty good raid attendance for being banned.

[Twochain]

i don't know why i chose to smoke sess

i guess that's the time that i'm not depressed

but i'm still depressed, and i ask, whats it worth?

ready to give up so i seek the old earth

who explained working hard may help you maintain

to learn to overcome the heartaches and pain

[Hyjalx]

Furoar must be doing pretty good for all of you to be so worried If hes playing alts.

Nobody gets an IP ban for a train... has never happened here unless your name is Abacab (habitual line stepper)

[Hyjalx]

And Abacab was a special case. He was probably averaging 10+ trains a day. Even on just regular camps, lol.

[greasemonk]

Furoar must be doing pretty good for all of you to be so worried If hes playing alts.

Nobody gets an IP ban for a train... has never happened here unless your name is Abacab (habitual line stepper)

The issue isn't about how Furor plays alts. The issue resides in Freedom (and subsequently AG) enabling his bad behavior. Neither of the two guilds have done any part in reprimanding him.

Much like Trump when he tried to withhold Congress approved aid to Ukraine until an investigation was launched into Hunter Biden. Trump got off pretty much scot free and tried to do basically the same shit to Georgia just recently.

Real life parallels aside, I really hope yall aren't surprised when Furor tries to pull the same shit because he literally wasn't punished except for not being able to get the loot on his toons for 30 days.

Also, yall mother fuckers need Jesus.

[getsome]

Irony. ^ comparing said events to trump and telling folks they need Jesus

[greasemonk]

Irony. ^ comparing said events to trump and telling folks they need Jesus

Why not? Pretty sure Jesus could have helped Trump and Furor if either of them stood by their ideals.

Remember, Furor left Riot because 'not allowing Detoxx to app wasn't a Christian thing to do'.

[Twochain]

Why not? Pretty sure Jesus could have helped Trump and Furor if either of them stood by their ideals.

Remember, Furor left Riot because 'not allowing Detoxx to app wasn't a Christian thing to do'.

I'm glad we came full circle to realizing that Riot should have just let Detoxx app and none of this would have ever happened.

[kaizersoze]

I'm glad we came full circle to realizing that Riot should have just let Detoxx app and none of this would have ever happened.

doubt.

[Terrok]

is it pronounced fuhrer?

[Vallaen]

I'm glad we came full circle to realizing that Riot should have just let Detoxx app and none of this would have ever happened.

I voted no on furoar

[regandna]

is it pronounced fuhrer?

Yeah, like "Hail ... "

[kaizersoze]

is it pronounced fuhrer?

Yes he is named after Hitler, and hes supposed to be "the good guy"

[k9quaint]

I'm glad we came full circle to realizing that Riot should have just let Detoxx app and none of this would have ever happened.

This.
And Furoar = Abacab after he found Jesus

[getsome]

Yes he is named after Hitler, and hes supposed to be "the good guy"

And you are named after a pedophile.

[greasemonk]

And you are named after a pedophile.

How have you survived this long being that stupid?

[kaizersoze]

And you are named after a pedophile.

Kevin Spacey might be, but Kaiser Soze the fictional character isn't. As opposed to someone literally named after Hitler who is responsible for the deaths of millions.

[getsome]

https://i.imgur.com/qAGLD9T.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KkE0GvR.jpg

[Viscere]

Lmao

[Toryas]

I'm glad we came full circle to realizing that Riot should have just let Detoxx app and none of this would have ever happened.

I still think it was a good decision. We subsequently don't have to deal with some of the toxic characters whom are present on this server. Contrary to what propaganda the ree leadership spin, in my 1 year in Riot everyone who was toxic has since been kicked/left and is now in the cesspit or no longer playing. I haven't encountered anything toxic since Aftermath V40 was formed.

[karadin]

everyone who was toxic has since been kicked/left and is now in the cesspit or no longer playing. I haven't encountered anything toxic since Aftermath V40 was formed.

I haven't encountered anything like that in Freedom. Very nice of you to refer to us as a cesspit, though.

[Detoxx]

I still think it was a good decision. We subsequently don't have to deal with some of the toxic characters whom are present on this server. Contrary to what propaganda the ree leadership spin, in my 1 year in Riot everyone who was toxic has since been kicked/left and is now in the cesspit or no longer playing. I haven't encountered anything toxic since Aftermath V40 was formed.

Hear a lot of members or Riot bitching about how toxic it gets when you keep losing, especially Vulak. We got friends over there boys, try not to lie at least.

[kaizersoze]

Hear a lot of members or Riot bitching about how toxic it gets when you keep losing, especially Vulak. We got friends over there boys, try not to lie at least.

there are a few people who get more upset than others. But there are plenty who are also focused more on what we need to do better next time.

[Toryas]

I haven't encountered anything like that in Freedom. Very nice of you to refer to us as a cesspit, though.

I'm glad you haven't encountered it and are all living happily ever after. However it takes 2 seconds to find cesspit level behaviour on these forums from your guildies. The fact your head is in the sand to your associates' shenanigans doesn't mean it isn't happening, you're just lucky/ignorant enough to not see it.

Hear a lot of members or Riot bitching about how toxic it gets when you keep losing, especially Vulak. We got friends over there boys, try not to lie at least.

Sure people get heated, but there's not the level of childishness and bigotry that we had in my early days. Since summer there's been nothing I'd consider toxic. To me, a guild leader logging into a competing guild's toon and training them is pretty absurd and not something I'd support, yet here we are with his horde of followers giving them their pixel fix.

Clearly we're not having floods of those "a lot" of people whinging heading to Freedom, so it can't be that bad? We've had... how many voluntarily leave to join? 1? and she had enough and quit.

Sorry you didn't get picked for the team, though. You seem to have found your place, I'm pleased for you.

[karadin]

I'm glad you haven't encountered it and are all living happily ever after. However it takes 2 seconds to find cesspit level behaviour on these forums from your guildies. The fact your head is in the sand to your associates' shenanigans doesn't mean it isn't happening, you're just lucky/ignorant enough to not see it.



Sure people get heated, but there's not the level of childishness and bigotry that we had in my early days. Since summer there's been nothing I'd consider toxic. To me, a guild leader logging into a competing guild's toon and training them is pretty absurd and not something I'd support, yet here we are with his horde of followers giving them their pixel fix.

Clearly we're not having floods of those "a lot" of people whinging heading to Freedom, so it can't be that bad? We've had... how many voluntarily leave to join? 1? and she had enough and quit.

Sorry you didn't get picked for the team, though. You seem to have found your place, I'm pleased for you.

I can find the same behavior from Riot but his forum exists for a reason. Please do not preach morality because Riot has no more of a leg to stand on than Freedom in that department. We all got a paddling from Menden for a reason.

[Toryas]

I can find the same behavior from Riot but his forum exists for a reason. Please do not preach morality because Riot has no more of a leg to stand on than Freedom in that department. We all got a paddling from Menden for a reason.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on the former, as I haven’t seen anyone tagged Riot stoop so low as to call people cunts like a member of Freedom has. With regards to the paddling, nobody has learned their lesson have they? It’s a matter of time until we face another one. Let’s hope the 70% RAs have their toons tagged elsewhere to keep the lust fed.

[Twochain]

I'm glad you haven't encountered it and are all living happily ever after. However it takes 2 seconds to find cesspit level behaviour on these forums from your guildies. The fact your head is in the sand to your associates' shenanigans doesn't mean it isn't happening, you're just lucky/ignorant enough to not see it.



Sure people get heated, but there's not the level of childishness and bigotry that we had in my early days. Since summer there's been nothing I'd consider toxic. To me, a guild leader logging into a competing guild's toon and training them is pretty absurd and not something I'd support, yet here we are with his horde of followers giving them their pixel fix.

Clearly we're not having floods of those "a lot" of people whinging heading to Freedom, so it can't be that bad? We've had... how many voluntarily leave to join? 1? and she had enough and quit.

Sorry you didn't get picked for the team, though. You seem to have found your place, I'm pleased for you.

Look honestly... Aftermath wasn't toxic like that. It was an extremely well run guild, with (truly amazing all things considered) leadership and infrastructure. I could go on and on about it.. but truthfully the most toxic guild related shit i've ever seen and been apart of happened in the smaller guilds I was in before AM. Think Bladefrenzy grats me level bullshit.

For instance, when I was in Clue, Neversleep and I started a king group. I invited a level 54 shaman guildy, who was all but useless, and a bunch of other lowish level randoms.. including a 52ish druid. Somehow we got the PH down, and king pops. Drops tunic. We all roll, and I won the tunic. Well... the level 54 shaman guildy starts absolutely raging. What's the point of being in a guild if people don't help each other out? He thought that I should give him the tunic I just won... in a pick up group... because he needed it. When I (semi-politely refused as he was extremely lucky to even be invited to the group) ... the guy absolutely flipped out in guild chat. Calling me a greedy piece of shit, saying he hated me, and guild removed himself.

Small example, but that kind of thing happened a lot more in smaller guilds. If that happened in freedom, am, or even riot, an officer or senior member would handle that person immediately. In a smaller guild.. people don't know what to do.

Every top guild is going to have a berg or two. But it's not fair to just label the whole guild completely toxic... especially when we're talking about raiding in a competitive environment. You wouldn't label a pro sports team toxic because one player on the team constantly chirps/or is very outspoken. Not that it's a completely fair comparison.. but come on. Enigmo and Cheanna has been officers in our guilds for like 5 years and they are both like the nicest, most down to earth players around. If we were truly the way people make us out to be... they wouldn't be with us.


Also i'll concede fREEdom is a pretty funny chirp. lmao. Also make sure to call our dkp system "REETox bux" that shit is so funny

[greasemonk]

Look honestly... Aftermath wasn't toxic like that. It was an extremely well run guild, with (truly amazing all things considered) leadership and infrastructure. I could go on and on about it.. but truthfully the most toxic guild related shit i've ever seen and been apart of happened in the smaller guilds I was in before AM. Think Bladefrenzy grats me level bullshit.

For instance, when I was in Clue, Neversleep and I started a king group. I invited a level 54 shaman guildy, who was all but useless, and a bunch of other lowish level randoms.. including a 52ish druid. Somehow we got the PH down, and king pops. Drops tunic. We all roll, and I won the tunic. Well... the level 54 shaman guildy starts absolutely raging. What's the point of being in a guild if people don't help each other out? He thought that I should give him the tunic I just won... in a pick up group... because he needed it. When I (semi-politely refused as he was extremely lucky to even be invited to the group) ... the guy absolutely flipped out in guild chat. Calling me a greedy piece of shit, saying he hated me, and guild removed himself.

Small example, but that kind of thing happened a lot more in smaller guilds. If that happened in freedom, am, or even riot, an officer or senior member would handle that person immediately. In a smaller guild.. people don't know what to do.

Every top guild is going to have a berg or two. But it's not fair to just label the whole guild completely toxic... especially when we're talking about raiding in a competitive environment. You wouldn't label a pro sports team toxic because one player on the team constantly chirps/or is very outspoken. Not that it's a completely fair comparison.. but come on. Enigmo and Cheanna has been officers in our guilds for like 5 years and they are both like the nicest, most down to earth players around. If we were truly the way people make us out to be... they wouldn't be with us.


Also i'll concede fREEdom is a pretty funny chirp. lmao. Also make sure to call our dkp system "REETox bux" that shit is so funny

Twochain you are dumb as fuck. Its obvious that it should be "FREEEE-KP".