Good Bye P99

[Woodark]

Hello all,

My name is Woodark and I've been playing P99 since the Green server opened. After taking a 20 year break from EQ, returning to a Norrath full of active and passionate players is probably the most magical thing I'll ever experience.

As many of you know, the Locket of Escape was removed from the game on Tuesday (12/8). The devs forgot to remove the list feature and folks that were on the list (myself included) continued to complete AFK checks for a couple days until being notified that the Locket was removed. I submitted a ticket and this is Menden's response 1 week later:

"I can understand your frustration. And I will say this was oversight by staff, but we will not be handing out lockets to players that were on the list."

When I opened the ticket I explained that I wasn't asking for a locket specifically, but was hoping the GMs would try and make things right. I'm disappointed that the GMs take zero accountability for their mistake and for this reason I am leaving P99.

I would have accepted a sincere apology, but I don't think it would have been too outrageous to give the 3-4 players impacted something. I think back to the 3v3 arena event where the GMs were giving out black sapphires, rubicite armor, and peggy cloaks (just for sitting in the audience)... Or the monthly open raids where people that don't even participate win god/dragon loot... *sigh* ..

Thank you for the adventures! Good bye Norrath! I will sincerely miss you.

[N0tClassic]

Hello all,

My name is Woodark and I've been playing P99 since the Green server opened. After taking a 20 year break from EQ, returning to a Norrath full of active and passionate players is probably the most magical thing I'll ever experience.

As many of you know, the Locket of Escape was removed from the game on Tuesday (12/8). The devs forgot to remove the list feature and folks that were on the list (myself included) continued to complete AFK checks for a couple days until being notified that the Locket was removed. I submitted a ticket and this is Menden's response 1 week later:

"I can understand your frustration. And I will say this was oversight by staff, but we will not be handing out lockets to players that were on the list."

When I opened the ticket I explained that I wasn't asking for a locket specifically, but was hoping the GMs would try and make things right. I'm disappointed that the GMs take zero accountability for their mistake and for this reason I am leaving P99.

I would have accepted a sincere apology, but I don't think it would have been too outrageous to give the 3-4 players impacted something. I think back to the 3v3 arena event where the GMs were giving out black sapphires, rubicite armor, and peggy cloaks (just for sitting in the audience)... Or the monthly open raids where people that don't even participate win god/dragon loot... *sigh* ..

Thank you for the adventures! Good bye Norrath! I will sincerely miss you.

Obligatory "Sorry you didn't get a Locket of Escape"

[Tunabros]

so your leaving a game because you didn't get an item?

that's like quitting your job because your boss didn't buy you a Starbucks in the morning

[azxten]

Hey that's too bad.

Can I have your stuff?

[Jibartik]

20 year break? or 20 years for eq to break you. :o

[BiG SiP]

https://i.imgur.com/rkCCHyM.jpg

[Tunabros]

Hey that's too bad.

Can I have your stuff?

yah same here message me on Azile I want free loots if your just gonna throw it away

over some item

[cannobeers3]

Holy shit. I have some advice for you. Save your money to pay a street worker at the corner of 82nd and NE Burnside to rub some lotion or oil on your battered backside.

And maybe have them say nice things to you as you apparently need to feel a special need to 'escape' via a damn locket.

Holy Pete, god of Canada, be with you.

[Scalem]

Imagine quitting a game because you didn’t get some useless item. Big yikes.

[adichi]

if i camped over 70 hours on a list that turned out to be a mistake i'd feel like quitting too, don't blame you at all...

i'm sad to see you go man, you're an awesome dude and didn't deserve to get screwed over by an oversight like that. i grouped with you on my shaman down in the bear pits and had a great time with ya

[Tunabros]

if i camped over 70 hours on a list that turned out to be a mistake i'd feel like quitting too, don't blame you at all...

i'm sad to see you go man, you're an awesome dude and didn't deserve to get screwed over by an oversight like that. i grouped with you on my shaman down in the bear pits and had a great time with ya

He's probably just overeacting

they always come back :D

[Fammaden]

Shut the project down, we lost Woodark. Good try I guess, but in the end clearly it failed.

[feniin]

Someone who spends days completing AFK checks doesn't just leave.

[Tethler]

pay a street worker at the corner of 82nd and NE Burnside

Lol. I'm from Portland, so I know exactly the place you're talking about. That area is gross, and a street worker from there would be grosser still.

[Littlefinger]

The reply's on this thread are gross. What is wrong with you people.

Woodark, the people who run this server set up the lists and knew exactly how they are being played. It's sad how jaded the staff have become to reply to their mistake the way they did. Probably because of the sad people who have responded to this thread and the pathetic shit they do in the game.

[feniin]

The reply's on this thread are gross. What is wrong with you people.

Woodark, the people who run this server set up the lists and knew exactly how they are being played. It's sad how jaded the staff have become to reply to their mistake the way they did. Probably because of the sad people who have responded to this thread and the pathetic shit they do in the game.

Probably time for you and OP to stand up, get a breath of fresh air, and take a break from the game. A bit too immersed. The staff didn't intend you to sit there for 80 hours. They assumed people were adults on this server and could balance their real lives with their pixel lust.

[Tethler]

The reply's on this thread are gross. What is wrong with you people.

Woodark, the people who run this server set up the lists and knew exactly how they are being played. It's sad how jaded the staff have become to reply to their mistake the way they did. Probably because of the sad people who have responded to this thread and the pathetic shit they do in the game.

This isn't a paid service. Just because staff messed up, doesn't mean anyone is entitled to any form of compensation. Quitting for that reason is eyeroll inducing.

What exactly is jaded about the staff response?

"I can understand your frustration. And I will say this was oversight by staff, but we will not be handing out lockets to players that were on the list."

This seems perfectly reasonable. They aren't going to summon up free legacy items worth big money just because they forgot to disable the list function for 2 days or whatever.

[Jibartik]

The reply's on this thread are gross. What is wrong with you people.

Woodark, the people who run this server set up the lists and knew exactly how they are being played. It's sad how jaded the staff have become to reply to their mistake the way they did. Probably because of the sad people who have responded to this thread and the pathetic shit they do in the game.

mad

[Jibartik]

As many of you know, the Locket of Escape was removed from the game on Tuesday (12/8). The devs forgot to remove the list feature and folks that were on the list (myself included) continued to complete AFK checks for a couple days until being notified that the Locket was removed.

Thank you for the adventures! Good bye Norrath! I will sincerely miss you.

this is the EQ equivalent of shorting a stock because you thought you had some inside information and when it doesn't work out putting a gun in your mouth.

[annali]

Wish these forum trolls would $#&! off back to Rants and Flames where they are equally not wanted.

Sorry to see you go. I can imagine your upset at all that wasted time.

[zaldaben]

this is the EQ equivalent of shorting a stock because you thought you had some inside information and when it doesn't work out putting a gun in your mouth.

I think a more accurate description would be investing in a company when the leaders failed to disclose an accurate accounting of q3 and q4 profits so come the next q1 the stock tanks when its corrected and you lose your investment. which in any case the company would be held liable and at least have to issue a public statement.

[derpcake2]

wellbye.gif

[BarnabusCollins]

The Locket of Escape will be living in your head rent free for the rest of your life.

[Evia]

Staff should take 1 locket and make all those who were on list random for it. Seems fair and just.


Although tbh I don’t think staff is obligated to do anything. This is free service after all.

[BarnabusCollins]

wellbye.gif

Just wanted to let you know we're leaving town. It's over.

Well.. bye.

You smell that? Smells like someone died around here.

[Fammaden]

Sorry to see you go.

Do you know him in game?

[Dolalin]

Woodark, I would urge you to reconsider.

I have had many interactions with staff, Nilbog and Telin especially, and I can tell you flat out that they are:

1) incredibly devoted to this server
2) put in tons of volunteer time outside of their RL jobs to make it as classic as possible
3) are incredibly overworked and can't cover every base

Maybe the communication could be better, but the effort and goodwill is 100% there, take it from me. I'm sorry this happened to you. But it's not malevolence, it's 3-4 volunteers having to maintain a game that once employed hundreds of people full time to develop and maintain. There are going to be shortfalls. It sucks I know. But please try to understand it from that perspective.

[drackgon]

Clearly don'tknow you well. But still a sad post. It sucks there was a mess up by admins/gm but, like many say this game is free and ran on donations. So mistakes happen. But more sad to see someone get broken and leave over an legacy item, as a fellow gamer bud we've all hit ups and downs. But always a respawn after game over. Chin up bud more exicting items drop in the game, yes 70+ hours at a list is horrid as hell, but don't give up the game if it still brings u joy. Only quit when it doesn't.

Also trolls on this post should just be banned outright from forums if I had my way:)

P.s. Gathered Might does have locket of escapes(not for sale) but always for renting out if you need a bind somewhere.

[BarnabusCollins]

Put him in a body bag!

[Convict]

Someone who spends days completing AFK checks doesn't just leave.

have to agree with this

[magnetaress]

I can understand your frustration. And I will say this was oversight by staff,

bolded the important bits

They are pretty gracious and magnanimous, for volunteering. I don't know why you have to act like they did you dirty.

Try RnF and try Red99

so your leaving a game because you didn't get an item?

that's like quitting your job because your boss didn't buy you a Starbucks in the morning

your first mistake was needing a job to get a daily starbucks

[Old_PVP]

You'll be back... They all come back.

[Gustoo]

have to agree with this

Staff should take 1 locket and make all those who were on list random for it. Seems fair and just.


Although tbh I don’t think staff is obligated to do anything. This is free service after all.

It’s just pretty hard to contemplate why this team is so tight fisted about things like this. It’s why I’m begging for the next server not to have the corrupting influence of “legacy items” they should either be in the game permanently in some fashion or be removed so that people can play the game without the weight of these special items and their knowledge weighing down every hour of play. It’s a sickness that didn’t exist in 1999 and only exists here and it really throws any classic adventuring in the dumpster because these choke point items are “must get before they go away” for so many players and in 1999 there was no such experience.

[Zipity]

Just take that same dedication towards the list, farm up items/plat/DKP and get your locket. Perseverance and overcoming adversity will still get you what you want in the long run. Locket isn’t a huge money maker unless you have multiples and if you want melee bind just join a raid guild and get a bind.

[Nuggie]

See you in another MMo someday woodark

[pivo]

It’s why I’m begging for the next server not to have the corrupting influence of “legacy items” they should either be in the game permanently in some fashion or be removed so that people can play the game without the weight of these special items and their knowledge weighing down every hour of play. It’s a sickness that didn’t exist in 1999 and only exists here and it really throws any classic adventuring in the dumpster because these choke point items are “must get before they go away” for so many players and in 1999 there was no such experience.

Good point. Make purple or whatever color server, custom, not classic. Make it with or without legacy items... for all players.

OP, sorry to hear that. Maybe you need a break. But you will be back.

[DoodyLich666]

I didn’t think that the gm response was necessarily rude. They admitted there was a mistake, and then said there wasn’t much they could do about it. I guess I’m not really sure what you expected from them. It seems like there is a pretty good precedent that they are not handing out too much help on green server. I’m surprised they involve themselves to the degree that they do.

[Tunabros]

we know damn well that OP only wants this locket to sell to high end guilds for like a

million plat

[Fammaden]

we know damn well that OP only wants this locket to sell to high end guilds for like a

million plat

Right, no individual player wants or needs a locket. Its coveted by raid guilds so they can bind their melee outside ToV in Velious. Presumably some other raid use in Kunark IDK, but anyone who was /listquesting this shit other than for guild banking had dollar signs in their eyes.

[Tune]

Lol the staff wont give out a couple lockets?

that's like small fish compared to the lunkers of the past.

Definitely nothing to quit over tho

Just talk to me I'll make u feel better

[zaldaben]

personally I am also leaving p99. not just because of the staffs inability to make this oversight right, but im tired of seeing certain people and certain guilds get away with murder no matter how many times they get petitioned. I would rather pay 15 or 20 a month and not have to deal with the clear bias and favoritism towards certain members or guilds. its pretty clear on both blue and green.

[Frug]

Hey that's too bad.

Can I have your stuff?

[jadier]

personally I am also leaving p99. not just because of the staffs inability to make this oversight right, but im tired of seeing certain people and certain guilds get away with murder no matter how many times they get petitioned. I would rather pay 15 or 20 a month and not have to deal with the clear bias and favoritism towards certain members or guilds. its pretty clear on both blue and green.

I think a lot of the whining here and elsewhere only works because we call the volunteers helping us play this free game “staff”.

“I’m really angry these volunteers won’t do more to help me, personally! How dare these volunteers make a mistake and then not bend over backwards to fix it!”

[cd288]

I get the frustration but this seems like an excessive response in return. Also, what was the point of posting this at all? To try and be like “see staff? I’m leaving because I didn’t get my locket, that’ll show ya!”?

[Babittle]

I get your frustration. Later dude. Probably for the best. Your getting a third chance on life. Don’t waste it. Also can I get on the list for your stuff?

[zaldaben]

I think a lot of the whining here and elsewhere only works because we call the volunteers helping us play this free game “staff”.

“I’m really angry these volunteers won’t do more to help me, personally! How dare these volunteers make a mistake and then not bend over backwards to fix it!”

its not just the locket. its been on going. and no one is asking them to bend over backwards. hell I have been waiting on a ring of ancients for nearly 4 months they claim I deleted after 13 hrs of camping it. that and the fact that they continue to show favoritism towards certain guilds like not answering petitions in game and when you put them on forums you get an answer 2 weeks later saying you should of petitioned in game. I get they are volunteers but lets call a spade a spade here. this is no longer a classic experience and the people who donate and good ol boys club gets top treatment. I would rather spend 20 bucks a month play on a fair playing field.

[magnetaress]

its not just the locket. its been on going. and no one is asking them to bend over backwards. hell I have been waiting on a ring of ancients for nearly 4 months they claim I deleted after 13 hrs of camping it. that and the fact that they continue to show favoritism towards certain guilds like not answering petitions in game and when you put them on forums you get an answer 2 weeks later saying you should of petitioned in game. I get they are volunteers but lets call a spade a spade here. this is no longer a classic experience and the people who donate and good ol boys club gets top treatment. I would rather spend 20 bucks a month play on a fair playing field.

Come to S ro on red bro.

[HalflingSpergand]

Delete your stuff and post the video then

[xmaerx]

Leaving the list in.. oops. Shouldn't have happened, but did. Honest mistake.

Choosing not to announce the removal of items because it's too much effort? Not cool. That info needed not be withheld, and wasn't done so for 'classic' reasons. It was withheld because disclosure was deemed unnecessary.

Patch notes are classic. Lists are not. Existence of lists and an absence of patch notes is what caused this situation. That's a failure in philosophy AND execution.

Then failing to address the issue in any way, shape, or form? The list is *STILL RUNNING*, in fact.. madness.

Together, those things are a bad combo that would burn anyone's ass affected by it. "Didn't happen to me!" is a pretty awful stance to take, especially smugly.

He's not quitting over pixels. He's quitting over a pattern of neglectful behavior, in his mind. The last of which culminates in a lack of action to correct the several mistakes that led to him getting burned.

Yeah, game is free. So is pissing on someone, usually. Just because its a free service doesn't mean you have to like or accept it. I do think it's incredibly disappointing to witness it all take place, from start to finish, on all fronts. Should have and could have been easily avoided.

Adios, Woodark. Sorry we argued in bear pits once.

[BiG SiP]

sorry you didn’t get melee bind

[Bach]

Hello all,

My name is Woodark and I've been playing P99 since the Green server opened. After taking a 20 year break from EQ, returning to a Norrath full of active and passionate players is probably the most magical thing I'll ever experience.

As many of you know, the Locket of Escape was removed from the game on Tuesday (12/8). The devs forgot to remove the list feature and folks that were on the list (myself included) continued to complete AFK checks for a couple days until being notified that the Locket was removed. I submitted a ticket and this is Menden's response 1 week later:

"I can understand your frustration. And I will say this was oversight by staff, but we will not be handing out lockets to players that were on the list."

When I opened the ticket I explained that I wasn't asking for a locket specifically, but was hoping the GMs would try and make things right. I'm disappointed that the GMs take zero accountability for their mistake and for this reason I am leaving P99.

I would have accepted a sincere apology, but I don't think it would have been too outrageous to give the 3-4 players impacted something. I think back to the 3v3 arena event where the GMs were giving out black sapphires, rubicite armor, and peggy cloaks (just for sitting in the audience)... Or the monthly open raids where people that don't even participate win god/dragon loot... *sigh* ..

Thank you for the adventures! Good bye Norrath! I will sincerely miss you.
Cya?

[jadier]

I would rather spend 20 bucks a month play on a fair playing field.

Do you currently make a monthly donation to p99? If not, then your anger over free pixels remains baffling to me. “Favoritism” in games almost always amounts to, “I personally didn’t like this decision”. The one clear-cut instance of actual favoritism by a p99 volunteer resulted in that individual being stripped of the responsibilities and privileges to make it not possible.

If you’re just going to generally carp about long wait times for item reimbursements but don’t donate, or just launch baseless accusations of bad behavior by unnamed volunteers, then get ye gone.

Given you’ve said you’re toddler-tantrum-style-quitting, I’m not even really sure why you’re still posting on these forums except to badmouth a game you claim you no longer intend to play.

[Scalem]

sorry you didn’t get melee bind

[jadier]

Then failing to address the issue in any way, shape, or form? The list is *STILL RUNNING*, in fact.. madness.

...He’s quitting over neglectful behavior

I don’t know about you, but I have a whole long list of things I need to get done in real life. A lot of them individually could be done in <30 min. Yet they sit in my todo list for weeks at a time. I’m gonna say that the p99 volunteers, like me and almost every other human, have the same situation going on.

Calling it “neglectful” is, I suppose, technically correct, but it’s an unfair characterization. We knew the item was around for less than a month during classic, there was a patch one month after Kunark released.

Everyone camping the item ~a month after Kunark dropped was HOPING the volunteers made a mistake and left the item in too long. Instead, the volunteers mistakenly didn’t remove the /list and still haven’t found the time to remove it because they’re human people volunteering.

As for smugly dismissing, if this weren’t a one-time soul bind item with the only purpose being slightly accelerating ToV raids in a year, maybe I’d be more compassionate. If someone was, say, camping Raster for 70 hours, then a surprise patch caused a bug where he wasn’t spawning, and the devs shrugged and just said “keep camping”, I’d be quite sympathetic for forum-complaints.

But camping an item you knew was imminently going to be removed, then being upset because you thought the devs mistakenly left the item in when they just mistakenly left the /list in is....well, not a position I think deserves much more than dismissal.

If the guy wants to whine about it and choose to spend his time doing something other than playing p99, more power to him. If others want to drag him for being upset the devs made a different mistake than he was banking on, then that’s our right too!

[Thulian]

see you in thurgadin

[xmaerx]

I don’t know about you, but I have a whole long list of things I need to get done in real life. A lot of them individually could be done in <30 min. Yet they sit in my todo list for weeks at a time. I’m gonna say that the p99 volunteers, like me and almost every other human, have the same situation going on.

I'm not disagreeing with this. Mistakes happen. How you handle those mistakes colors the fallout from them.

Calling it “neglectful” is, I suppose, technically correct, but it’s an unfair characterization. We knew the item was around for less than a month during classic, there was a patch one month after Kunark released.

Everyone camping the item ~a month after Kunark dropped was HOPING the volunteers made a mistake and left the item in too long. Instead, the volunteers mistakenly didn’t remove the /list and still haven’t found the time to remove it because they’re human people volunteering.

Technically, the timeline is unclear on this. On blue, it was removed 2 weeks before the other legacy items. Here, it wasn't. The existence of the list added a lot of ambiguity which would otherwise have been dismissed as removal. I guarantee the train of thought "Well if the list is still running, it must be in still" was deployed, and entirely reasonable.

As for smugly dismissing, if this weren’t a one-time soul bind item with the only purpose being slightly accelerating ToV raids in a year, maybe I’d be more compassionate. If someone was, say, camping Raster for 70 hours, then a surprise patch caused a bug where he wasn’t spawning, and the devs shrugged and just said “keep camping”, I’d be quite sympathetic for forum-complaints.

But camping an item you knew was imminently going to be removed, then being upset because you thought the devs mistakenly left the item in when they just mistakenly left the /list in is....well, not a position I think deserves much more than dismissal.

If the guy wants to whine about it and choose to spend his time doing something other than playing p99, more power to him. If others want to drag him for being upset the devs made a different mistake than he was banking on, then that’s our right too!

Compassion isn't in short supply. It's created on demand. I'm not saying we need to build safe spaces for vulnerable people, but this isn't some fleeting thing for most people. P99 isn't a turn and burn kind of experience. People give a shit about this game, and they're investing into it emotionally, and physically if you're talking about marathon camps. It is reasonable to expect those investment to be respected. Not rewarded, but respected. OP feels this didn't take place. Shitting on him for it just seems a little sweaty to me.

I don't think there's much to gain by broadcasting a move like this, but I think we all recognize it as desperately venting frustration during vulnerable times for many people. For the few non-aspie people playing this game, a shred of sympathy is pretty easy to come by.

[jadier]

Re: the timeline, yeah it was removed earlier in Blue. It stuck around extra long in Green. I’m certain that you’re right that “the list is here so the item must be too” was the reasoning. My contention is: the locket dropping a month after Kunark released would clearly be a mistake. That it was removed *earlier* than a month on Blue and on Live both suggest that, a month in, the locket shouldn’t be there.

The folks camping it thought the devs left the locket in too long (the mistake they wanted) when in fact the devs left the /list on too long (the mistake that actually happened).

Again, the locket isn’t some class defining Uber item. It’s a hardcore raider convenience that sells well.

Re: sympathy, it truly sucks that this happened, and I do feel bad for the people who got shafted. I do not feel any sympathy at all to venting, raging, hating on the devs, etc. In the other thread on this topic, I got extremely annoyed by the sense of entitlement, “give them all freebies!”

This game does mean a lot to a lot of people, myself included! Hating on the devs publicly because you thought they made an exploitable mistake (not removing the item within a month) when instead they made a mistake that hurt you (not removing the /list within a month) is not only counterproductive, but is way more likely to hurt the chances of this weird and wonderful emulator continuing to get care and love from the devs.

The volunteers all love this project, and they’re all adults who can handle whine-y forum rants, but I can’t imagine seeing nothing but vitriol posted because people couldn’t exploit things the way they wanted is good for their motivation or enjoyment.

No patch notes were released. They should’ve been, we all agree. But why weren’t they? It probably wasn’t malice, that doesn’t make sense, it was probably a sense that they weren’t needed cutting down on the motivation to do it. “Why spend my time writing notes saying we’ve removed all the items that dropped for less than a month during Kunark?” I don’t agree with that logic, but I can understand why a busy person who just did a lot of volunteer work on a project for other people to enjoy might not be able to muster the motivation to take that last step and post saying “this patch just removes all the things that, in our public timeline, should be gone by a month after Kunark. Here’s a long list...”

If maintaining this server isn’t rewarding for those doing it, they’ll...stop. They owe us nothing. If it becomes annoying, they probably won’t stop completely, but instead become more and more withdrawn and less and less motivated to do that extra step, especially if anything they do gets them grief.

TLDR; I mostly wish the official forums were more like the subreddit, where people seem to post out of joy instead of rage/annoyance/entitlement

[Tunabros]

sorry you didn’t get melee bind

[Nuggie]

Do you currently make a monthly donation to p99? If not, then your anger over free pixels remains baffling to me. “Favoritism” in games almost always amounts to, “I personally didn’t like this decision”. The one clear-cut instance of actual favoritism by a p99 volunteer resulted in that individual being stripped of the responsibilities and privileges to make it not possible.

If you’re just going to generally carp about long wait times for item reimbursements but don’t donate, or just launch baseless accusations of bad behavior by unnamed volunteers, then get ye gone.

Given you’ve said you’re toddler-tantrum-style-quitting, I’m not even really sure why you’re still posting on these forums except to badmouth a game you claim you no longer intend to play.

Oh my sweet summer child. Do you know of Xzerion? Uthgaard? Amelinda? Derubael? The project is littered with volunteers allowing their character flaws to make choices.

[Swish]

Oh my sweet summer child. Do you know of Xzerion? Uthgaard? Amelinda? Derubael? The project is littered with volunteers allowing their character flaws to make choices.

What happened to Hobby? That was a quiet exit.

[Arvan]

This server is not classic anyway and the pixels are meaningless esp the bad classic/kunark ones but the time you wasted clicking a little box meant something i guess and that’s why you’re here or gone from here i suppose

[mcoy]

Pretty sure they're following the "classic" patch notes. If you look at the first few patches after Kunark dropped there's no mention of item removals, TD binding being disabled, etc:

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2000-1.html

and

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2000-2.html

-Mcoy

[Trazer]

Holy shit. I have some advice for you. Save your money to pay a street worker at the corner of 82nd and NE Burnside to rub some lotion or oil on your battered backside.

And maybe have them say nice things to you as you apparently need to feel a special need to 'escape' via a damn locket.

Holy Pete, god of Canada, be with you.

Portland reference!!

[Gustoo]

Pretty sure they're following the "classic" patch notes. If you look at the first few patches after Kunark dropped there's no mention of item removals, TD binding being disabled, etc:

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2000-1.html

and

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2000-2.html

-Mcoy

Shits classic. Except when its not. Except when we decide not to. Except when we had a better idea for ruleset (Red99) except, except, except.

Legitimately I think that staff may say more in discord but it is a bummer to see so little interaction on the messageboard.

I don't like to speculate aimlessly and I don't like to see other people speculate aimlessly either. I guess it may be the case that there are JR staff members who aren't allowed to say anything, and senior staff members are too busy to waste time making people feel good on the messageboards.

So we gotta enjoy the game and live with it or go to a different kinda community that makes us happier if thats the answer.

For classic everquest there isn't a lot of options so best is to just move on and start poopsocking plat items to buy a locket or something.

[xmaerx]

Pretty sure they're following the "classic" patch notes. If you look at the first few patches after Kunark dropped there's no mention of item removals, TD binding being disabled, etc:

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2000-1.html

and

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2000-2.html

-Mcoy

Right. There was no mention during classic when items were removed. There was also no expectation of them to be removed, or a list indicating that they are not yet removed. The dynamic is entirely different.

[Disease]

Right. There was no mention during classic when items were removed. There was also no expectation of them to be removed, or a list indicating that they are not yet removed. The dynamic is entirely different.

Lol what? Its the same shit. No mention then and no mention now.

[bomaroast]

Great job! Your mental and physical health should improve! And perhaps your sleeping pattern too!

[xmaerx]

Lol what? Its the same shit. No mention then and no mention now.

You live in 2 dimensions, I see.

It's not the same, because the expectation of removal was here, and that expectation was counterbalanced by a list. The existence of the list is not classic, and is the root cause of the issue here. If there was no list, people wouldn't have stuck around after the other stuff was confirmed removed.

[Gustoo]

Agree with Xmaerx.

Sad stories all around. Disappoint. No new red 2.0 and no locket for these poopsock heroes.

Don't know what to say.

[Disease]

You live in 2 dimensions, I see.

It's not the same, because the expectation of removal was here, and that expectation was counterbalanced by a list. The existence of the list is not classic, and is the root cause of the issue here. If there was no list, people wouldn't have stuck around after the other stuff was confirmed removed.

If there wasnt a list, 3 no lifers wouldve took turns and monetized the camp. Everyone knew when the item was going to stop dropping, all timeline patches are automated on green.

[Gustoo]

Ya on next fresh server legacy items aint gunna drop this way, guaranteed.

Both options suck.

List: proved to suck
No list: we know sucks.

Solution: something different next time.

[magnetaress]

Randomly spawn a lvl 60 mob with zone wide DTs on a 1 minute timer, 24,000 hp and quads, rampages, flurries, and procs an AoE stun and slight dd at each /list

[Gustoo]

No sarcasm that would be great and more classic than current setup.

[xmaerx]

Literally nobody is arguing against having a list. That's an argument for another thread.

[magnetaress]

Literally nobody is arguing against having a list.

Me either, I'm just making fun of it.

Never /listed in my life.

[kjs86z]

Imagine sitting in a list for days.

The pixel sickness claims another elf.

[TripSin]

Sorry you didn't get the digital item in the free emulator of a 20-year-old video game. On the bright side, maybe quitting playing will be good for you.

[Thulian]

list stupidest idea ever who thought of it? This is a classic server, not pay people in other countries to stay at camps for $5 a day until you get legacy item

[ClephNote]

list stupidest idea ever who thought of it? This is a classic server, not pay people in other countries to stay at camps for $5 a day until you get legacy item

Got a link for those list services?

[Arakash]

The spirit of Brad is distant from this conversation. I wish ALL items were Lore and No Drop or at least No Drop and kills couldn't be looted except by the main damage dealer (other than pets). I think it would make the game more interesting

[Thulian]

Got a link for those list services?

Fiverr

[magnetaress]

The spirit of Brad is distant from this conversation. I wish ALL items were Lore and No Drop or at least No Drop and kills couldn't be looted except by the main damage dealer (other than pets). I think it would make the game more interesting

You just described wow lol.

[Disease]

Literally nobody is arguing against having a list. That's an argument for another thread.

Your point was the list was still there, even though the item was removed. So what is your problem again?

[douglas1999]

They fucked up and admitted that they fucked up and apologized. This does not entitle you to the item you were camping or anything else really, though. Take the loss and suck it up, there is so much more fun to be had on this server, if you want to intentionally throw away fun and good times with classic elfs because a bad thing happened I'm not sure why you were playing here to begin with.

[Zipity]

Woodark spotted camping pained soul this morning.

[Fammaden]

Guess he sold his account.

[BiG SiP]

https://i.imgur.com/bLCHqSe.gif

[Nilstoniakrath]

They fucked up and admitted that they fucked up and apologized. This does not entitle you to the item you were camping or anything else really, though. Take the loss and suck it up, there is so much more fun to be had on this server, if you want to intentionally throw away fun and good times with classic elfs because a bad thing happened I'm not sure why you were playing here to begin with.

The point isn't the item, it is the time wasted. Yes they apologized. Good for them. And not sure what the appropriate compensation would be, giving the listed item is not an automatic solution, but too bad so sad sucks to be you is not appropriate. Aint going to white knight this.

[Malykor]

Woodark spotted camping pained soul this morning.

I LOL'd

[cd288]

The point isn't the item, it is the time wasted. Yes they apologized. Good for them. And not sure what the appropriate compensation would be, giving the listed item is not an automatic solution, but too bad so sad sucks to be you is not appropriate. Aint going to white knight this.

It’s an emulated server of a 20 year old game. And it’s a server that will be merged into blue in like a year and will start all over again. Caring this much (or even being willing to camp something for that long in this context) is just off base IMO

[Darkslide632]

100% understand your frustration. 100% think GMs should have given some people some lockets. 100% think this post is kinda whiney and silly.

[Tunabros]

Imagine sitting in a list for days.

The pixel sickness claims another elf.

[rewinder47]

I can see both sides of this one. On one hand, if you're about to spend literal days camping an item, you should be prepared for the possibility that you won't get it (whether it is due to internet going out, real life interruption, or a bug of some kind). It's an absurd length of time to dedicate to a video game, and you should have some perspective on that. Also, praising the game as a dream come true (for free no less), then complaining about not getting an item that you most likely wouldn't have gotten back on live anyway, is pretty silly.

On the other hand, there was really no reason not to hand out some lockets due to the list being left in. It did kinda give the impression lockets were still dropping, and I seriously doubt a handful of extra lockets in the game would somehow ruin the integrity of the server or something.

In short, poorly handled all around.

[Gustoo]

100% understand your frustration. 100% think GMs should have given some people some lockets. 100% think this post is kinda whiney and silly.

Move to resolved

[Disease]

I can see both sides of this one. On one hand, if you're about to spend literal days camping an item, you should be prepared for the possibility that you won't get it (whether it is due to internet going out, real life interruption, or a bug of some kind). It's an absurd length of time to dedicate to a video game, and you should have some perspective on that. Also, praising the game as a dream come true (for free no less), then complaining about not getting an item that you most likely wouldn't have gotten back on live anyway, is pretty silly.

On the other hand, there was really no reason not to hand out some lockets due to the list being left in. It did kinda give the impression lockets were still dropping, and I seriously doubt a handful of extra lockets in the game would somehow ruin the integrity of the server or something.

In short, poorly handled all around.

Its classic. No one was informed during classic that lockets ever stopped dropping. Move to resolved.

[BenDerisgreat]

I feel your pain Woodark. Hope to see you back in game soon.

[OuterChimp]

I once did the Jboots /list in Najena.

...I lasted about 20 minutes and then said eff that.

[rjw513]

Sorry no participation medals

[mcoy]

I once did the Jboots /list in Najena.

...I lasted about 20 minutes and then said eff that.

Yeah I did 26 hours (or 25?) for jboots and noped out of any others. I'm too old for that kind of stuff now. I did get on the guise one though because it was empty one day and that went quickly enough since I started at #1.

JBoots was fun for a while though - I was level 40 or so, so I kept pulling open named mobs for the group in the wee hours of the night. Several people got FBR's, black tomes, traveler's packs, and some bracers so at least they got something if they ended up dropping off the list. Also, it helped me stay awake so win/win.

-Mcoy

[magnetaress]

I think I am pretty happy playing even solo without stuff like Jboots, I play differently now after 3 account rerolls. Jet setting around the world on a druid is fun for a bit, but gets old fast too.

Currently bound in thurgadin, about a 15 min run from my camp spot, and I'll let myself get way bogged down with a ludicrious amount of loot and big heavy bags, got 10 sow pots in the bank incase I want the run back to exping to be more like 8 minutes.

I think on green it would be even easier to just organize grps with a wizard buddy and go selling at ToX rings, no amount of plat is gonna be too heavy @ that point and i'd make a trip every week to the bank.

On live, stuff like jboots was a puller item. Or a wizard item. A lot of other classes really didn't need it, or prioritize it. Even then I remember really long pulls (like 1 minute running to find a mob) on my SK in OT without jboots, and having a 300 range bow was super duper elite.

[Fammaden]

Yeah I did 26 hours (or 25?) for jboots and noped out of any others. I'm too old for that kind of stuff now. I did get on the guise one though because it was empty one day and that went quickly enough since I started at #1.

JBoots was fun for a while though - I was level 40 or so, so I kept pulling open named mobs for the group in the wee hours of the night. Several people got FBR's, black tomes, traveler's packs, and some bracers so at least they got something if they ended up dropping off the list. Also, it helped me stay awake so win/win.

-Mcoy

I wonder how much plat to pay jboot farmers you could have farmed with those hours on your own schedule with no afk check box.

[Mackinz]

Why'd they get rid of the item?

[fastboy21]

Hello all,

My name is Woodark and I've been playing P99 since the Green server opened. After taking a 20 year break from EQ, returning to a Norrath full of active and passionate players is probably the most magical thing I'll ever experience.

As many of you know, the Locket of Escape was removed from the game on Tuesday (12/8). The devs forgot to remove the list feature and folks that were on the list (myself included) continued to complete AFK checks for a couple days until being notified that the Locket was removed. I submitted a ticket and this is Menden's response 1 week later:

"I can understand your frustration. And I will say this was oversight by staff, but we will not be handing out lockets to players that were on the list."

When I opened the ticket I explained that I wasn't asking for a locket specifically, but was hoping the GMs would try and make things right. I'm disappointed that the GMs take zero accountability for their mistake and for this reason I am leaving P99.

I would have accepted a sincere apology, but I don't think it would have been too outrageous to give the 3-4 players impacted something. I think back to the 3v3 arena event where the GMs were giving out black sapphires, rubicite armor, and peggy cloaks (just for sitting in the audience)... Or the monthly open raids where people that don't even participate win god/dragon loot... *sigh* ..

Thank you for the adventures! Good bye Norrath! I will sincerely miss you.

The patch notes have been research and publicly posted on p99 for years now. How about some personal responsibility?

Considering that you say in your OP that you would have accepted a "sincere apology" as compensation to "make it right" --- I don't see how this incident is anything but a non-sequitur in your decision to quit playing EQ.

The GMs and Devs have literally poured years of volunteer work and money into this project. Trying to insult them with this post is a joke. Calling Menden out for not apologizing to you? It's a bull poopie move.

Also, folks rage quitting EQ b/c the game screws them over is classic as heck.

Either your not being completely honest (maybe with yourself) or you would have quit soon anyways.

[zaldaben]

The patch notes have been research and publicly posted on p99 for years now. How about some personal responsibility?

Considering that you say in your OP that you would have accepted a "sincere apology" as compensation to "make it right" --- I don't see how this incident is anything but a non-sequitur in your decision to quit playing EQ.

The GMs and Devs have literally poured years of volunteer work and money into this project. Trying to insult them with this post is a joke. Calling Menden out for not apologizing to you? It's a bull poopie move.

Also, folks rage quitting EQ b/c the game screws them over is classic as heck.

Either your not being completely honest (maybe with yourself) or you would have quit soon anyways.

I would agree with this if they were actually following those patch notes and not shadow nerfing things and removing things outside the normal timeline and not announcing it.

[mcoy]

I wonder how much plat to pay jboot farmers you could have farmed with those hours on your own schedule with no afk check box.

Definitely enough to buy a couple MQ's. That wasn't the point though. My first pair of jboots in live was from Drelzna thanks to a random tell I got while xping in lavastorm as a wizard. Guy just said "hey zone in here and loot these" and boom I had Drelzna's boots. Wanted to see what camping them was like. Granted the list makes it different (and miserable) but hey - you get a taste and realize it's not for you. It led to me not being interested in any other /lists and if I were presented with the opportunity again I wouldn't do it. Did I enjoy the experience? No, but I did learn something.

-Mcoy

[fastboy21]

I would agree with this if they were actually following those patch notes and not shadow nerfing things and removing things outside the normal timeline and not announcing it.

What you say is true, sometimes...but they have by and large followed it. And, in this case if the OP had checked it himself he would have at least seen in writing that they were scheduled to be out, and that the other items in the same patch were known to be removed by just reading the forums that day.

Within hours of someone posting the question to the forum Nilbog personally responded to let folks know that the /list shouldn't still be there for that item.

I'm not saying that EQ doesn't deal low blows to players (its practically coded into the game since live). I'm saying it has nothing to do with the OP saying he would be cool with the whole situation if the GM had merely apologized about the situation. Its a total non-sequitor.

The OP is claiming that the whole reason he quit is b/c Mended didn't give him a sincere apology? He's either too weak for EQ or he is being dishonest.

[zaldaben]

What you say is true, sometimes...but they have by and large followed it. And, in this case if the OP had checked it himself he would have at least seen in writing that they were scheduled to be out, and that the other items in the same patch were known to be removed by just reading the forums that day.

Within hours of someone posting the question to the forum Nilbog personally responded to let folks know that the /list shouldn't still be there for that item.

I'm not saying that EQ doesn't deal low blows to players (its practically coded into the game since live). I'm saying it has nothing to do with the OP saying he would be cool with the whole situation if the GM had merely apologized about the situation. Its a total non-sequitor.

The OP is claiming that the whole reason he quit is b/c Mended didn't give him a sincere apology? He's either too weak for EQ or he is being dishonest.

well in all honesty it sounds like he hasnt quit based on previous responses. also if he did respond to that question and there were still active lists a game wide message announcement doesnt sound like a hard thing to do. I pay way more attention to these forums than I should which is one of the reason I have decided to play other games if any at all. however, its not unreasonable to think if a person is camping a list camp they arent going to be glued to the forums. they are going to be clicking that stupid box that pops up.

[Fammaden]

I would think the kind of person who is doing list camps would be more likely to keep an eye on the forums than Joe Casual. And also probably be talking to people at the camp, maybe in their guild, to know that other legacies have been removed. One would think you might put enough pieces together to question if the list is accidentally still in place or not.

[Arakash]

You just described wow lol.

That is funny. Believe it or not, I never played WoW. I think I started playing Eve Online around that time. Maybe I should try red.

[Gustoo]

You should try red. No item loot though, but you would enjoy questing, and occasionally pvping.

[Darkone]

Ya on next fresh server legacy items aint gunna drop this way, guaranteed.

Both options suck.

List: proved to suck
No list: we know sucks.

Solution: something different next time.

pvp, stop this nonsense shit

[Shanebear]

That sucks, sorry dude. Take a week away and see how you feel before committing to leave P99 behind. You'll make a better decision that with a cool head.

[Bardp1999]

I got news for you pal, if you are immersed enough to camp a legacy item for 3-4 days straight on a time locked server you aint going anywhere.

Sorry your appeal for free hand outs did not work

[Caroll]

Can I have your gear?

[Bearsnowls]

Can I have your gear?

[adruidarkly]

Seen ya ass in Sol A yesterday rofl less u lending toon to friends who boxing u

[Tunabros]

Can I have your gear?

[Thulian]

sticky this thread

change name to i got caught boxing and now i am mad

big sips and taps submits

[Tunabros]

Seen ya ass in Sol A yesterday rofl less u lending toon to friends who boxing u

OP is just capping and making a thread in a last attempt to get a locket so he can

sell it for a million plat

[Nexii]

When they removed Guise/Manastone all players on the list were kicked off the list. They didn't get free items either

[evildoer]

P99: Green -- The golden age of gaming. Where being unemployed, drug addicted, and being able to type /list in a chatbox lets you win the game and retire into the sunset.

They should have gave you the welfare locket. Matter of fact, they should have gave you a fungi for your mental and emotional anguish. This server needs AOC as a GM, there is a desperate need for pixel justice.

[xmaerx]

When they removed Guise/Manastone all players on the list were kicked off the list. They didn't get free items either

I think OP would have been fine being kicked off the list. The problem is, nobody was kicked off the list :p It's still running.

[knucklehead]

I always wanted to know how bad your chairs smell after a /list camp.

Good luck, hope you succeed in getting a full refund.

[mcoy]

I always wanted to know how bad your chairs smell after a /list camp.

Good luck, hope you succeed in getting a full refund.

I took a break to shower. 15 minutes is plenty of time to handle basic hygiene.

-Mcoy