I'm out

[bomaroast]

Somehow over the last decade the playerbase on P99 has gotten worse. We all know the raiding scene has always been toxic and stupid, but lately even just hanging out in low level dungeons is toxic af. People train without smashing a train hotkey. Lots of people will just ignore you if you try to interact with them. Half the players in groups are afk or barely paying attention.

The playerbase on P99 sucks, and it's a damn shame.

[Disease]

I agree and you're totally right. Sometimes a change in life is needed. Good luck on your journey in life friend. Can I have your stuff?

[bomaroast]

meh

[Tunabros]

Can I have your stuff?

[Danth]

Half the players in groups are afk or barely paying attention.

I've noticed the same over the past decade. I suspect it's in a large part due to the proliferation of things like YouTube and social media during that span. Lot of folks are tabbed out doing little or nothing and expecting their group to carry 'em. The past few years I find I spend most my time online either by my self, duo with the wife, or grouped with folks we already know.

Danth

[Disease]

I've noticed the same over the past decade. I suspect it's in a large part due to the proliferation of things like YouTube and social media during that span. Lot of folks are tabbed out doing little or nothing and expecting their group to carry 'em. The past few years I find I spend most my time online either by my self, duo with the wife, or grouped with folks we already know.

Danth

This is why I rarely join full groups. Duo or trio works best because everyone has to play their role. Tank, healer and dps.

[drackgon]

Come join Gathered Might and be part of the change instead of quitting. Where we don't abide by BS toxic crap.

[rewinder47]

Oh man, someone didn't want to talk to you? That's rough.

Maybe you can rent a Delorean and time travel back to the golden days of 1999, when the game was full of kill-stealing, ninja-looting, drama-loving hormonal 13 year olds

[cannobeers3]

Queue Huey Lewis soundtrack.

[Llanos]

Oh man, someone didn't want to talk to you? That's rough.

Maybe you can rent a Delorean and time travel back to the golden days of 1999, when the game was full of kill-stealing, ninja-looting, drama-loving hormonal 13 year olds

A big factor we all still play this game is for the social interaction other games don't require. It's perfectly reasonable to be upset and leave if that's not happening.

[magnetaress]

P v P

U can solo play and tab out and if someone dares afk. Drop group and send them to their safe cozy bind to AFK.

[Kraig4600]

100% solo player here. Been playing here for 2 years and I'm almost level 59. I play this game for challenge and entertainment, not to interact with others unless I choose to. I cannot tell you how many times I get unprompted tells, or some jerk trying to steal my camp just because I am solo and unguilded. I rarely reply to tells unless it has a direct correlation to what it is I am doing, aka cc's, etc... when I do its usually some pervert who wants to flirt because I'm playing a female toon. The point is, we aren't all here to be your chatty Kathy, hell Id say most of us are anti-social in some form, yes it's an online game but why does that mean I HAVE to talk to you? Why do I have to take out of my time and explain to you that I am a solo player?

[rewinder47]

A big factor we all still play this game is for the social interaction other games don't require. It's perfectly reasonable to be upset and leave if that's not happening.

That's cool, but maybe online games aren't for you if that is the case. Everquest is geared hard towards social interaction in a way that very few other games are, and I have a hard time believing you will find a better experience elsewhere. Maybe some obscure non-F2P game with a small community, if you are really lucky. Most free to play games are full of children and botters, P99 is not. And most paid online games, if they even require interaction with others, have you playing cross-server with randos who you'll never see again and have no incentive to be nice to you.

[magnetaress]

100% solo player here. Been playing here for 2 years and I'm almost level 59. I play this game for challenge and entertainment, not to interact with others unless I choose to. I cannot tell you how many times I get unprompted tells, or some jerk trying to steal my camp just because I am solo and unguilded. I rarely reply to tells unless it has a direct correlation to what it is I am doing, aka cc's, etc... when I do its usually some pervert who wants to flirt because I'm playing a female toon. The point is, we aren't all here to be your chatty Kathy, hell Id say most of us are anti-social in some form, yes it's an online game but why does that mean I HAVE to talk to you? Why do I have to take out of my time and explain to you that I am a solo player?

All my toons are 100% male ;)

[Llanos]

That's cool, but maybe online games aren't for you if that is the case. Everquest is geared hard towards social interaction in a way that very few other games are, and I have a hard time believing you will find a better experience elsewhere. Maybe some obscure non-F2P game with a small community, if you are really lucky. Most free to play games are full of children and botters, P99 is not. And most paid online games, if they even require interaction with others, have you playing cross-server with randos who you'll never see again and have no incentive to be nice to you.

I love this game. Playing it off and on for 20 years. But I can see his argument. He will probably be back when he realizes this.

[magnetaress]

Last time I did a weekend round of WoW BGs and Arenas it was pretty pointless. Just queue up and watch as 4-5 people on ur team just stand around aimlessly getting owned 1v1.

This game is so much better even if ur by yourself, or like others said a few others doing absolutely nothing. Productive or EXP efficient otherwise.

Part of having a 6 man grp means people can take breaks tho. Sometimes that cleric needs to warm up their legs, can you keep pulling and exping as efficiently if they get up, potty, blow up a hotpocket for 5 minutes? No (I usually offer to drop grp and camp out safely) and let them know i'll either be back in 30 or whatever if this is how it's going down.

Got to love those 16 hr grinds through 53 tho. It happens every once in awhile were everyone is just a machine and they got their gatorade bottles lined up and ready to go. I think a lot of weekend warriors are really dedicated to these grinds but play casual during the normal everyday life focus'd rather than pixel focus'd week.

OP seems like they are a little to invested in 'being #1 at everquest and not ever screwing up ever and doing 1-50 in 2 hrs'.

When u realize u can help absolutely terrible players and wierdos get some enjoyment out of the game without having to tell them when and were to root mobs, u will hit the next level.

[Thulian]

i figured this out before geting to level 10 on blue ( Before red even came out )

if it took you 10 years you are remedial

[xmaerx]

This is where guilds are supposed to come in. Unfortunately, every guild short of like.. three.. are just submission to a ruleset under some arbitrary banner, not a fostered community of any kind. I don't know of a single guild that is actively preening their roster of people who aren't all working towards the same goals.

Not even the one I'm in, so this isn't self-serving.

With that said, it's not self-flagellating either. This game has always encouraged quantity over quality. As such, it is unreasonable to expect guilds to sacrifice the ability of the many for the comfort of the few. No guild out there is willing to kick a third of their roster who haven't committed to similar goals as the majority, because that's not practical. Warm bodies go a long way.

The only way around that is to form new guilds where you can nip the problem in the bud from the start. And when two thirds of the server is in one guild (Looking at you, Seal Team) there just isn't much way to make that happen in any meaningful capacity. That's why I prefer smaller guilds.

Not even digging on them for playing the game the way it was designed, intentionally or otherwise. That's just the reality of the situation.

Might as well all join Seal Team and then create little cliques within. Maybe the GMs can give us sub-guild-tags beneath the other guild tag, into which every character is borne upon creation.

[Thulian]

how is a guild going to help when there is like 1 boss mob a week for 1000 players?

How will you escape the toxicity when you are required to interact with toxic players to accomplish anything?

[Jibartik]

I play super casually and just pug randomly and its fun people are nice and stuff idk.

[cannobeers3]

Most people are pretty decent to deal with. There are certainly asshats, and they fly their asshat flags quite openly (and sometimes in the bed of their truck). But it seems most folks are decent as long as you communicate and are not a jerk.

If you find yourself hating everyone, you are probably raiding too much or just need to self-evaluate.

[xmaerx]

how is a guild going to help when there is like 1 boss mob a week for 1000 players?

How will you escape the toxicity when you are required to interact with toxic players to accomplish anything?

What does a guild have to do with "boss mob"? It's people to consistently play with that are supposed to hold each other accountable for their actions, inside and outside the guild. Not every guild is a raid guild.

[Swish]

Imagine if you could do something about it other than lodging an elf court appeal...

https://i.imgur.com/DkLBQJw.gif

[Bach]

Come join Gathered Might and be part of the change instead of quitting. Where we don't abide by BS toxic crap.

:D
Not sure if serious.

[xmaerx]

:D
Not sure if serious.

Toxicity here is pretty low, for what it's worth. Easy to do when your guild is on the smaller size.

[Thulian]

no toxicity or raid loot

see you in thurgadin

[Noselacri]

Yeah, the AFKing is pretty extreme at times. I was in a group yesterday and I don't think there was ever a moment where nobody was AFK. Somebody managed to step away from the computer something like eight times in one hour. If you have that much going on around you, don't join a fucking group.

[magnetaress]

I like to make souflees while i play 3 servers at once

[Jimjam]

I like to make souflees while i play 3 servers at once

Pics or it didn’t rise.

[Thulian]

when i leveled to 50 on aradune most people would join groups and afk

most likely leveling another char in another window, its a side effect of playing on a blue server

does not happen on red, because if your group mate is afk and worthless he gets killed and looted

[fastboy21]

Somehow over the last decade the playerbase on P99 has gotten worse. We all know the raiding scene has always been toxic and stupid, but lately even just hanging out in low level dungeons is toxic af. People train without smashing a train hotkey. Lots of people will just ignore you if you try to interact with them. Half the players in groups are afk or barely paying attention.

The playerbase on P99 sucks, and it's a damn shame.

I don't agree with your conclusions, but I've thought about why p99 (socially and emerging gameplay) is so much different than live. There are the usual suspects: game knowledge now is vast, player experience is vast, better connections, non-classic UIs, 3rd party software, etc.

But I think it is mostly a generational thing. On live the average player was a GenX or older (meaning growing up without internet, online games, mmos, etc.). Many came to EQ from their pnp (pen and paper games, like AD&D) backgrounds and treated the virtual world like an extension of their experience with pnp games. The average age (from what I recall surveys showing 20 years ago) put the average player age at about 25-30 years old.

If this same demographic were playing today the average player would 45-50 years old. While those players still exist, most of the server isn't that demographic now. They are younger. The majority of players I've met on p99, especially in the uber guild game, are closer to 30-35...which means that they were the young kids that your guild on live wouldn't tag because they were too immature for adult guild conversation.

These players of that younger generation play EQ like it is any other video game, and that's not how it used to be played. The result is that much of the behavior that so many find unlike their memories from live.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not calling the players on p99 "immature" or even putting them down. I'm just pointing out that they play games differently.

In some ways, its actually a really cool sociology experiment.

[xmaerx]

Lol. More likely the people playing ARE older, and grandpa needs to be woken up in between pulls, or dada needs to burp the baby and change a diaper.

In my case, I need to be woken up AND burped in between pulls.

I do like your flex to blame the youth though. Real boomer of you, sir.

[fastboy21]

Lol. More likely the people playing ARE older, and grandpa needs to be woken up in between pulls, or dada needs to burp the baby and change a diaper.

In my case, I need to be woken up AND burped in between pulls.

I do like your flex to blame the youth though. Real boomer of you, sir.

I'm not a boomer...and I was on the younger than the average player in 1999...so, if I'm accidentally blaming "them" then I would have to include myself with them.

And, I specifically went out out of my way to say that the way the younger generation plays games isn't better or worse than any other generation.

What is interesting to me is that it is different, at all. People don't play games like EQ the way they used to. If anything, I've become more like the younger players by hanging out with them so much...whereas on live I was more like the older players who I spent most of my time in game with.

Brad McQuaid, for example, would be 51 years old if he were alive today. Do you really think the way he played games isn't different than what we see in younger gamers today? Again, not better or worse, just a change.

[xmaerx]

I entirely disagree. I guarantee your groups are being carried by the youth. All of the best players I know, attentiveness or otherwise, are younger than I am. Across every single game I've played. That's just the way of the world, my dude. Everquest is a unique exception where game KNOWLEDGE provides a degree of functionality in a group or raid setting. But beyond that, we lose in reaction time and attentiveness, on average.

But yes, I do think there are difference between the older generations and the younger. Older gamers are far more casual, and every younger gamer wants to be Shroud. That lends to the opposite conclusion of yours.

[fastboy21]

I entirely disagree. I guarantee your groups are being carried by the youth. All of the best players I know, attentiveness or otherwise, are younger than I am. Across every single game I've played. That's just the way of the world, my dude. Everquest is a unique exception where game KNOWLEDGE provides a degree of functionality in a group or raid setting. But beyond that, we lose in reaction time and attentiveness, on average.

But yes, I do think there are difference between the older generations and the younger. Older gamers are far more casual, and every younger gamer wants to be Shroud.

I'm not sure what you disagree with me about. It seems we agree on the only point I was trying to make: that there are generation differences between how people think about and play games --- especially complex social games, like EQ. And that those generational differences create different patterns of emergent gameplay on p99 compared to live.

I never meant to say that younger players aren't as good as older players (or vice versa). It is probably objectively true that younger players, all other things being equal (including game knowledge) are better than older players as you said just due to physical differences...but I wasn't trying to argue for/against that in my post.

[Thulian]

im 40 and i play eve online while working very casually. I do not care about farming treasures or items. The only thing i do is make people mad because its just more fun. I spend time camping people trying to mine and do little lemming tasks then blow them up.

When they all log off, i do as well with a mission accomplished.

When i played aradune in an average 30 day month i was suspended for around 20 days.

I killed hundreds of stupid druids in ocean of tears dispelling their snares while they kite seafuries and they are so dumb they just kept casting it over and over, then i got a huge wall of text which is ultimately what i wanted.

People online are babies now, its just sad. The only solution is PVP

[xmaerx]

I'm not sure what you disagree with me about.


The entire point of the thread was that the group culture is totally worse now. Of course it is. Because everyone's old and busy. Your conclusion is that the people playing now are younger, and of a different generation, and.. on their phones or something?

"If this same demographic were playing today the average player would 45-50 years old. While those players still exist, most of the server isn't that demographic now. They are younger. "

BS. Everybody is juggling children, playing from work, or failing to burn the midnight oil because it ran out 2 decades ago. The average age of players on P99 is definitely higher than the average age of players in classic.

I'm specifically saying: "Everybody is old and casual and the cause of these problems." Everyone knows this, and is various degrees of understanding.

[kjs86z]

consider blue

[Gustoo]

im 40 and i play eve online while working very casually. I do not care about farming treasures or items. The only thing i do is make people mad because its just more fun. I spend time camping people trying to mine and do little lemming tasks then blow them up.

When they all log off, i do as well with a mission accomplished.

When i played aradune in an average 30 day month i was suspended for around 20 days.

I killed hundreds of stupid druids in ocean of tears dispelling their snares while they kite seafuries and they are so dumb they just kept casting it over and over, then i got a huge wall of text which is ultimately what i wanted.

People online are babies now, its just sad. The only solution is PVP

This guy is deep deep red.

Obvious maximum high threat on red 99 2.0

[fastboy21]

The entire point of the thread was that the group culture is totally worse now. Of course it is. Because everyone's old and busy. Your conclusion is that the people playing now are younger, and of a different generation, and.. on their phones or something?

"If this same demographic were playing today the average player would 45-50 years old. While those players still exist, most of the server isn't that demographic now. They are younger. "

BS. Everybody is juggling children, playing from work, or failing to burn the midnight oil because it ran out 2 decades ago. The average age of players on P99 is definitely higher than the average age of players in classic.

I'm specifically saying: "Everybody is old and casual and the cause of these problems." Everyone knows this, and is various degrees of understanding.

My comments don't piggy-back on the purpose of this thread. So, if this thread is all about finding what is wrong with p99 that isn't what my comments were meant to be about.

Second, age and generation are not the same thing. On average, the people playing today on p99 are probably older than the players who played back in 1999 on live, but they are of a different generation. For example, there are less GenX'ers on p99 than Millennials, whereas on live it was probably the other way around. If that is true then it would have big implications for the way the game is played.

I don't agree with you that everyone on p99 is "old and casual" --- I'm not sure what that would mean given the number of people who clearly play this game in 2020 like it is a career/life choice.

[Disease]

Lol. More likely the people playing ARE older, and grandpa needs to be woken up in between pulls, or dada needs to burp the baby and change a diaper.

In my case, I need to be woken up AND burped in between pulls.

I do like your flex to blame the youth though. Real boomer of you, sir.

Ive seen your stream. You couldnt be younger then 40 lol. Who are you calling boomer lol.

[xmaerx]

Wat. Bruh, lol.

[Gustoo]

Damn dude boomers are way older than 40. Millennials are almost 40!

Must be a Z boy talkin.

; )

[Jibartik]

TIL boomer is state of age, not a time of birth ha

"I am the greatest generation, now!"

(400k dead cus we cried about not wanting to do stuff lol)

[xmaerx]

My comments don't piggy-back on the purpose of this thread. So, if this thread is all about finding what is wrong with p99 that isn't what my comments were meant to be about.

Second, age and generation are not the same thing. On average, the people playing today on p99 are probably older than the players who played back in 1999 on live, but they are of a different generation. For example, there are less GenX'ers on p99 than Millennials, whereas on live it was probably the other way around. If that is true then it would have big implications for the way the game is played.

I don't agree with you that everyone on p99 is "old and casual" --- I'm not sure what that would mean given the number of people who clearly play this game in 2020 like it is a career/life choice.

Ah, I misunderstood your comments as having something to do with the thread they're nested within. My bad.

But yes. The vast majority of the people playing this server and the game in general are older and casual and distracted as hell. Especially in the pub group and leveling scene. I'm definitely saying that it has nothing to do with generation and everything to do with age. You have all the time in the world to fill and spill piss bottles at the keyboard when you're a spry 15-20.. which is the point I was making actually relevant to the thread, lol.

Side note, forming new guild: Fill and Spill. Apply within.

Deep within.

[Danth]

Damn dude boomers are way older than 40. Millennials are almost 40!

Must be a Z boy talkin.

Yeah, folks in their 40's are solidly gen X'ers. That's okay though, X'ers are used to being overlooked. Even the youngest baby boomers are more like mid 50's now, and the older of them are in their 70's.

The vast majority of the people playing this server and the game in general are older and casual and distracted as hell. .

Older than who? I'm constantly surprised at how many young players are on P99, which I define as anyone who wasn't at least an adult when EQ originally launched. Given the passage of more than twenty years, it means I regard a P99'er in his early-mid 30's as "young" in that sense. It's relative I suppose.

Danth

[Gustoo]

I think most P99 players are in their 30's and were youngsters when they played.

I haven't met anyone on P99 that was really good at everquest back on live, because I think most of them were in their 20's in 1999 2000 and 2001 and real life took them away before they could find out about P99.

The older guys make sense if they were playing in their 40's in stable life situation and remained playing in their 50's and 60's with a still-stable life situation.

Not a lot of boomers here but if you found one he probably has a super dialed in basement dungeon for winning at everquest.

[Danth]

The (lower-end) guild I'm in, we have one guy who's in his early 70's and a few more folks in their 60's. Some of my other friends on here are in their 50's or beyond. They're out there, but I suspect they don't hang around P99's high-end raid scene very much. I'm just glad the wife and I were already adults when EQ originally launched. I did a lot of stuff that I might not have done if I was too busy chasing gnolls when I was 16 or whatever.

Danth

[xmaerx]

Older than who? I'm constantly surprised at how many young players are on P99, which I define as anyone who wasn't at least an adult when EQ originally launched. Given the passage of more than twenty years, it means I regard a P99'er in his early-mid 30's as "young" in that sense. It's relative I suppose.

Danth

Older than the average person playing at launch. Probably by about 15 years, if I had to guess. That later stage of life just doesn't lend to being as attentive as a 15-20 year old with their eyeballs glued to the screen.

Doesn't make them boomers. That was just a joke.

We're also talking about the casual public scene, which makes up the vast majority of the population, and is being complained about in this thread. Not sweatlords such as myself.

[Gustoo]

Where is the vast majority of population that is casual public/

It seems like everyone on every p99 server is 50+ or 60+ is that just because we've had over 10 years to get there? I guess that could make sense.

[xmaerx]

Everywhere. Do you want a list of names? lol

[Danth]

It seems like everyone on every p99 server is 50+ or 60+ is that just because we've had over 10 years to get there? I guess that could make sense.

That's part of it for sure, my Paladin was made in 2009 and my Shadow Knight was made in 2011. Players on P1999 definitely have time on their side.

Danth

[douglas1999]

I meet nice people all the time on green. Sure there are assholes, but that will always be the case. Tons of nice people out there, pug's are still super fun if you assemble some cool peeps. And as always, the game is really just a chatroom with a game built around it. People seem to throw the term "toxic" around if they have even one single negative experience. If you meet a jerk remember them and avoid them in the future, the game is still super fun and chill and way better than modern mmos.

[Thulian]

what are you pugging when all raid mobs are killed by the servers leading zerg guild within 10 seconds of spawning?

Planar trash?

Guk?

Lol

[xmaerx]

what are you pugging when all raid mobs are killed by the servers leading zerg guild within 10 seconds of spawning?

Planar trash?

Guk?

Lol

Someone forgot about the other 99% of content in the game

[douglas1999]

Yeah I'm talking all pug's. Chilling in a solid group of cool peeps in crushbone or deep in seb is equally cool and fun and good.

Everquest teaches an important life lesson, which is that your experience in norrath or living on our green earth is what you make of it. If you're having a miserable time you should first look inward, not outward.

[xmaerx]

Definitely plenty of decent humans playing, but the attentiveness is lacking across the board. I've commented on it repeatedly when I throw around "good players" or "bad players", and attentiveness is always #1; The amount of time it takes you to do the basic tasks expected of your class.. which is all of the tasks, for every class except pullers, and the frequency of which you need to be reminded.

Being attentive is the overlap between a good player and a good person, because there is no argument that can be made in defense of someone who gives zero shits about wasting other people's time. If you can't commit your attention and you're just soaking xp or loot, you should be forthright with your group about that. Don't just candidly join and grope your groin.

I know people have important shit going on, but it's entirely reasonable for a person with equally important shit going on to get irritated when their *properly portioned* free time is being squandered, by whatever flavor of unsavory group play is on the table.

[fastboy21]

Ah, I misunderstood your comments as having something to do with the thread they're nested within. My bad.

But yes. The vast majority of the people playing this server and the game in general are older and casual and distracted as hell. Especially in the pub group and leveling scene. I'm definitely saying that it has nothing to do with generation and everything to do with age. You have all the time in the world to fill and spill piss bottles at the keyboard when you're a spry 15-20.. which is the point I was making actually relevant to the thread, lol.

Side note, forming new guild: Fill and Spill. Apply within.

Deep within.

I see your point. And, I have to admit that EQ is a vast game. It is so vast that the experience from one type of player to the next could actually seem like a totally different game.

I have played p99 for a long time...on and off pretty much since launch. I haven't however, been in a PUG group for over two years really. I tend to level solo. If I do group it is with people I've been long time friends with on multiple servers or friends I've made in guilds. If I decide to raid at all --- which I've avoided for years at a time on p99, I usually raid with pretty "hard core" folks. The demographic of the server I see playing like that is extremely skewed.

I would tend to agree that in PUG groups folks are distracted because of age-related responsibilities. So definitely agreement.

When I look at the raid crowd though and the high-end solo'ers I think its a different demographic; I'm not experiencing what the majority of folks might see if they just roll a character on p99 and head out into the newbie yard to begin a new server.

I'd be interested in finding out some data regarding the demographics of p99 --- average age of players (in general, but also raiders vs casuals), average time played per week, etc. I'm entirely speaking on my own experience --- filtered and examined with some intuition and reasoning --- which doesn't really reflect the complete picture in truth.

Thanks for the discussion today and yesterday...actually been very interesting for me.

[fastboy21]

Damn dude boomers are way older than 40. Millennials are almost 40!

Must be a Z boy talkin.

; )

I know you're joking around, but this was the point I was making about differentiating between age and generation.

The average age of p99 players is going up (I think) compared to live, but the players themselves are from a younger generation than on live. Amongst other things, I think this impacts some of the differences between live and p99 behavior...there are significant others, but I do think this is one of them.

When p99 launches its 5th iteration of green (in 2040) the average age will probably be in the 60s...but they'll still be millennials or Gen Z. The number of Gen X'ers playing in 2040 will be very small...even if the game itself doesn't change I think EQ is complex enough that you can expect to see changes in how people play it....which is kinda cool that a game made in 1999 managed to pull off that much social sensitive complexity.

[StinkyGreenBud]

Half the players in groups are afk or barely paying attention.


This is the crap that bugs me the most. Why even play if you are going to sit there and watch netflix or whatever your low attention span brains are distracted by?

[ruzzil]

Yea i find 75% of the server to be average players who didn’t hack it on live but now can... just my evaluation.... you actually had to be a talented player on live to get good groups ... on p99 it’s purely about time skill is not a factor... people don’t call out lazy players...

I’ve never seen so many lazy dps in my life ... most of the rogues on p99 jump on the mobs halfway through the fight... pet classes no different....

Tanks don’t tag agro on inc or position mobs at all on this server... is that only a raid thing?

I play a cleric and people always msg me in game to come play because I don’t let people die it truly sucks to be a cleric on p99 because most players just expect you to keep them alive rather then the golden rule of ...

(if you aren’t the tank I shouldn’t be dumping heals into you)

But I’m usually just one of the 2-3 people holding the 6 man group up...

It really gets old and boring fast when you don’t have other players putting in the effort

[Amalec]

I don't think players are are any worse than they were at live. I'd say it's the opposite, really. Players are too good, too knowledgeable, too well geared, etc. People know where the best group spots with safe places and great ZEMs are. Pullers can usually be expected to single pull consistently. Half the players in their 20s are wearing 200k+ in gear. And no one wants to turn down additional group members when they've got slots open.

Frankly, I remember players at kunark launch being awful. Pulls were basically a dice roll on inc count. Casters tossing out AoE rains over the enchanter. Healers going OOM from nuking. And the good players were struggling with unfamiliar zones and mechanics.

Now groups are boring as hell, and people zone out.

I think it's mostly just systemic issues with a 20 year old game. Players flow towards efficiency and the numbers are in: consistent, unsurprising camps are optimal. And boring.

It's actually nice, community wise, that most groups I saw through my 20s and 30s picked up players until they were full even when they didn't need them. I'd rather players didn't get left out just so my xp rate can be 10% better. But an exciting camp for 3-4 people is usually a boring with camp with 6.

[Gustoo]

I love grouping and making a good group. I love ejecting bad group members. Maybe its just a PVP thing but people don't scrub around much on red99 probably because you can just kill them and say goodbye. You gotta stay awake. Shoot!

[Feracitus]

im 40 and i play eve online while working very casually. I do not care about farming treasures or items. The only thing i do is make people mad because its just more fun. I spend time camping people trying to mine and do little lemming tasks then blow them up.

When they all log off, i do as well with a mission accomplished.

When i played aradune in an average 30 day month i was suspended for around 20 days.

I killed hundreds of stupid druids in ocean of tears dispelling their snares while they kite seafuries and they are so dumb they just kept casting it over and over, then i got a huge wall of text which is ultimately what i wanted.

People online are babies now, its just sad. The only solution is PVP


Im a bit sad dispell dont work on charmed pets tbh =/

[Thulian]

Yea i find 75% of the server to be average players who didn’t hack it on live but now can... just my evaluation.... you actually had to be a talented player on live to get good groups ... on p99 it’s purely about time skill is not a factor... people don’t call out lazy players...

I’ve never seen so many lazy dps in my life ... most of the rogues on p99 jump on the mobs halfway through the fight... pet classes no different....

Tanks don’t tag agro on inc or position mobs at all on this server... is that only a raid thing?

I play a cleric and people always msg me in game to come play because I don’t let people die it truly sucks to be a cleric on p99 because most players just expect you to keep them alive rather then the golden rule of ...

(if you aren’t the tank I shouldn’t be dumping heals into you)

But I’m usually just one of the 2-3 people holding the 6 man group up...

It really gets old and boring fast when you don’t have other players putting in the effort

Did you play aradune? Because its all afk / terrible people and everything can be instanced, which means you and your guild / friends get to kill every boss weekly instead of waiting in line on p99 for stuff and having 0 challenge

[Cone]

I don't agree with your conclusions, but I've thought about why p99 (socially and emerging gameplay) is so much different than live. There are the usual suspects: game knowledge now is vast, player experience is vast, better connections, non-classic UIs, 3rd party software, etc.

But I think it is mostly a generational thing. On live the average player was a GenX or older (meaning growing up without internet, online games, mmos, etc.). Many came to EQ from their pnp (pen and paper games, like AD&D) backgrounds and treated the virtual world like an extension of their experience with pnp games. The average age (from what I recall surveys showing 20 years ago) put the average player age at about 25-30 years old.

If this same demographic were playing today the average player would 45-50 years old. While those players still exist, most of the server isn't that demographic now. They are younger. The majority of players I've met on p99, especially in the uber guild game, are closer to 30-35...which means that they were the young kids that your guild on live wouldn't tag because they were too immature for adult guild conversation.

These players of that younger generation play EQ like it is any other video game, and that's not how it used to be played. The result is that much of the behavior that so many find unlike their memories from live.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not calling the players on p99 "immature" or even putting them down. I'm just pointing out that they play games differently.

In some ways, its actually a really cool sociology experiment.

being 33- i relate more to Gen X then melennials but.

why is it that the older generations blame the generations that they created, for their problems?

[Cone]

i'll also note that, while on live (2000-2004) i saw the same sorts of things.

afk's
lazy effers,
randoms like, joining then quitting in 15 minutes.
the pet classes just sitting there not even throwing their pets on stuff but respond when msged lol.


this is all classic crap guys. even sweatlords cant sweat 24/7

[OuterChimp]

For OP,


Okay boomer.