Druids are so broken on p99

[Tasslehofp99]

How come root lasts 5 minutes everytime but I can't stack any DoTs that stacked on live? Btw I clearly remember stacking winged death/drones of doom (from ES vambs), Breath of Ro, AND the epic clicky. At some point I even remember drifting death/winged death stacking. I can't find any concrete proof of this...but atleast fix the ES vambs/winged death portion of this bug which we atleast have proof for.


Another part of the game thats broken as hell is the fact that druids dots are supposed to stack up with eachother on a single mob. For example, our raid has 3 druids on it, those druids SHOULD be able to all cast the same DoT on 1 mob for stacked up DoT DPS. This was how it was on live as long as I can remember, and I played from 99-07 roughly.

Kunarks been out for a while now, I have no clue what goes into patching this or fixing it but apparently its pretty tough. Snare and mobs running on this server is far from what it was on live as well, theres almost always a 2 second lag between when a mob is supposed to run, and when it actually does start to run. During this 2 second period the mob literally freezes in its spot as if it was stunned, when its not. This causes druids to literally be useless to groups 55+ in kunark, whereas on live at the very least snare was a requirement in seb/chardok/HS due to tight quarters and the possibility of adds everywhere.


blah, i'll prolly regret getting sucked into this rants and flames thread but literally dont even want to level to 60 on my character due to how nerfed druids are. Also -- I hope the server devs/GM's dont take this thread as an insult, its not intended as that in anyway. I appreciate the fact that we get an opportunity to play this awesome game for free. I also appreciate the time they put in to create an authentic P99 feel to it.


BUT COME ON WHY ARE DRUIDS WEAKER THEN RANGERS

[Hasbinbad]

tl;dr. = i created a character of a class that can solo really well and make crazy amounts of cash, but i'm mad because we kind of suck in groups/raids.

[baalzy]

Winged Death not stacking is a known bug that's being worked on.

Also notice how there hasn't been a patch in a few weeks?

Shit got real for some of the devs and things are delayed.

[Anger]

Learn2readbugforums

Known issue. Make an alt or go back to lolcharming raptors :p

[Grommel]

They've already tried to fix the ES arms stacking issue once, a couple patches ago, so they definitely are not ignoring it. Druid dots on raid mobs are useless anyways, they tick like 3 times before the mob is dead, and most bosses will resist them. Even if they fixed snare it wouldn't matter much, other more useful classes bring snares as part of their toolkit. Druids just aren't group/raid friendly, other than ports :) We live with it and make alts that one day become our mains!

[Grommel]

ooo I'm a large rat!

[KilyenaMage]

Maybe its cuz I played Tallon Zek PvP.....

But come Velious especially, I remember Druids being quite desired.

[inyane]

same dots from different players didn't work until almost pop, that's any class. druids, necro's, shaman, etc

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches.html

Patches from July 2002 - December 2002
- DoT spells cast by different players on an NPC now stack (Sept. 4)
- Planes of Power goes live (Oct. 21)

[Volsic]

lol, I still don't understand the pissing and moaning about this. I pop a BoR on a mob, I click my vambs, I sit. By the time the DoTs have worn off, I've regained the mana it cost me to cast it in the first place. I pull another mob, and do the same. WTF do I need to stack 15 dots for? So I can kill them faster, but with more downtime?

RAAAGE!

[Mardur]

Another part of the game thats broken as hell is the fact that druids dots are supposed to stack up with eachother on a single mob. For example, our raid has 3 druids on it, those druids SHOULD be able to all cast the same DoT on 1 mob for stacked up DoT DPS. This was how it was on live as long as I can remember, and I played from 99-07 roughly.

I got this far and realized you were just making shit up.

[YendorLootmonkey]

BUT COME ON WHY ARE DRUIDS WEAKER THEN RANGERS

Every class is weaker than rangers, bro.

We just do an excellent job of downplaying our class so we don't get nerfed.

[Koota]

Another part of the game thats broken as hell is the fact that druids dots are supposed to stack up with eachother on a single mob. For example, our raid has 3 druids on it, those druids SHOULD be able to all cast the same DoT on 1 mob for stacked up DoT DPS. This was how it was on live as long as I can remember, and I played from 99-07 roughly.





Wrong. This isn't World of Warcraft. That doesn't work here.

[snwbrdr642]

dot stacking has been bugged on every emu server i've been on. really dont think these guys played druids or shamans on live ever.

[Jigga]

dot stacking worked perfectly on vztz and if they can do it p99 dev should be able to do it

[Auvdar]

Druids are fine in groups if you can play decently. On raids, you are more or less the ride there and the ride out.... and a little spot healing.

[Tasslehofp99]

Actually Stacking the same dot from multiple druids on raid mobs was deffinetly on EQ live. I Just dont know when it was implemented is all, anyway it doesn't matter I'm just more or less frustrated that my root lasts 5 minutes everytime (which almost NEVER happened on live, in fact a a 30 second root was a miracle usually on blue con mobs) but DoT's dont seem to stack right. This was my first rant too btw and prolly last lol

[Daldaen]

Druids are fine in groups if you can play decently. On raids, you are more or less the ride there and the ride out.... and a little spot healing.

Thats if you can get an invite into one... Not much room inbetween the necessary warrior, cleric, enchanter, 3 dps slots though :/.

[Ennoia]

How come root lasts 5 minutes everytime but I can't stack any DoTs that stacked on live? Btw I clearly remember stacking winged death/drones of doom (from ES vambs), Breath of Ro, AND the epic clicky. At some point I even remember drifting death/winged death stacking. I can't find any concrete proof of this...but atleast fix the ES vambs/winged death portion of this bug which we atleast have proof for.


Another part of the game thats broken as hell is the fact that druids dots are supposed to stack up with eachother on a single mob. For example, our raid has 3 druids on it, those druids SHOULD be able to all cast the same DoT on 1 mob for stacked up DoT DPS. This was how it was on live as long as I can remember, and I played from 99-07 roughly.

Kunarks been out for a while now, I have no clue what goes into patching this or fixing it but apparently its pretty tough. Snare and mobs running on this server is far from what it was on live as well, theres almost always a 2 second lag between when a mob is supposed to run, and when it actually does start to run. During this 2 second period the mob literally freezes in its spot as if it was stunned, when its not. This causes druids to literally be useless to groups 55+ in kunark, whereas on live at the very least snare was a requirement in seb/chardok/HS due to tight quarters and the possibility of adds everywhere.


blah, i'll prolly regret getting sucked into this rants and flames thread but literally dont even want to level to 60 on my character due to how nerfed druids are. Also -- I hope the server devs/GM's dont take this thread as an insult, its not intended as that in anyway. I appreciate the fact that we get an opportunity to play this awesome game for free. I also appreciate the time they put in to create an authentic P99 feel to it.


BUT COME ON WHY ARE DRUIDS WEAKER THEN RANGERS

If you're bitching now, you're going to kill yourself when your epic won't stack with a Necro snare for the first...year and a half? of epics being out.

[Asher]

same dots from different players didn't work until almost pop, that's any class. druids, necro's, shaman, etc

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches.html

Patches from July 2002 - December 2002
- DoT spells cast by different players on an NPC now stack (Sept. 4)
- Planes of Power goes live (Oct. 21)

I think everyone missed this.

The way it is now is Classic EQ. No, you could not stack DoTs of the same type on a mob. Stop complaining or move to live.

Asher

[guineapig]

It's not just druids either. No class can stack the same dot by different players.
This is why back in the day everyone had their role of what dots they were going to use to make sure nobody was wasting their time trying something that wont work.

If you do not have a clear recollection of this then I question what year you were playing EQ.

[Auvdar]

It is well known that a druid's role in raids is to get raid force to spot "A", then at end of raid transport them to spot "B". In some cases you can do some neat things, but in the end you really aren't *that* important. No trakanon raid is going to stop because not a single druid answered to a raid alert :rolleyes:

Grouping is different. If you can play with even a minimial amount of thought, you can fill in 3 different roles. You can DPS fairly well. You can heal in a pinch. (Granted, clerics will always be the best. I have healed warriors in a group before, its just a lot slower). And you can even Crowd Control in some areas. (This is very rare however).

Soloing, yeah we are good at that. I play one since that is what I played in live, and what I know. Is it hard to find groups outside of my guild? Very.

I dunno, long rant. Druids have there place, but as everyone knows they are no game changer. But we can port, which puts us 1 step above rangers :D

[Waedawen]

You are just misunderestimating your power.

First of all, admit the fact that you will never be the best at anything. Second, acknowledge that druids are perhaps the single greatest empowering class in the game. Think about it, pretty much every single class in the game with one tactic or another can efficiently kill shit with a druid as their partner. Rogues can all of a sudden backstab mobs without getting attacked, granted with a little bit of running - and Wizards have a snare availible to them that allows a duo to QUAD at level 8 for god's sake.

In groups, more often than not it's ME who is the main healer - nevermind a cleric. Of course, the power of the complete heal can never be matched - but with the right setup of people - namely slows and effective dps - you'll have no problem being the only person in the group with the ability to heal.

With that said, having a cleric in the group allows you to DPS - druids are an absolutely ABSURD class to have in your group in Chardok if you have a cleric in the party. At that level, they have the power to dominate an Chokidai in the dungeon with their own Tash, Snare, and Charm and have extremely reliable charm DPS COMBINED with the entire gambit of druid abilities availible to them. Throw in an Enchanter with the Cleric and Druid that might make up this group, and you're asking the question, "why are you getting 3 more people?"

And of course, CC. Again, for example, in City of Mist doing the Reaver Trash outside on the boardwalks can make for some hairy sitchiations especially if you're trying to pull the Reaver out of the door combined with repops. I've had no problem Snaring a mob or 2 for agro, positioning myself right outside the party, and hitting those mobs with THREE MINUTE ROOTS a piece and effectively mesmerize the mobs only to sit down in another spot and continue main healing. Really, CC is the easiest and most overpowered part of a druid done effectively. With my SK buddy that I regularly duo with, Adds are as simple as a snare and a root until he is done with the other mob.

I won't even get into soloing. You can be productive in any part of the world just by simply going there and casting Root and Dot. It's such a simple way of killing stuff it should be criminal. If you can see a dark blue, you should not be complaining about not getting XP.

For me, I avoid soloing like the plague unless I really feel like it - but there ARE spots that are extremely lucrative... you can get to 60 no problem, quickly. That said, friends are your STRONGEST ally as a druid - as stated clearly above, you really NEED them in order for YOU to flourish. I've made pretty much all of my xp post 50 by duoing or grouping with any mix of my Enchanter, Shadow Knight, or Necromancer friends.

The key to small groups, though, is the fact that you are -NOT- the primary means of KILLING the mob. You, via snares, regens, strength, ds, sow, --whatever--, are making it easier for your partner to kill mobs. You should be pulling for them especially and catering to their every wish - You're making their life easier while they're feeding you expees.

That was fun to write. :cool:

[Waedawen]

Oh, and itemize your gear for HP once you get 200 wisdom or else you're doing it -COMPLETELY- wrong.

[Tumdumm]

waedawen is making me wanna reroll a druid

[Waedawen]

waedawen is making me wanna reroll a druid

bitches don't know 'bout my dr00d

[lanystvyl]

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[johnny ringo]

rofl typical druid. what is it about the druid class that attracts that whiniest little cunts to play it?

just be a good little druid and go sit in EC waiting for me to ask you for a port, that's all you'll ever be good for.

[Kimm Barely]

We are? Sweet.

[skorge]

dam look at the tags on this thread...

[Hobby]

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[Grizlor]

How come root lasts 5 minutes everytime but I can't stack any DoTs that stacked on live? Btw I clearly remember stacking winged death/drones of doom (from ES vambs), Breath of Ro, AND the epic clicky. At some point I even remember drifting death/winged death stacking. I can't find any concrete proof of this...but atleast fix the ES vambs/winged death portion of this bug which we atleast have proof for.

All shaman dots stacked in classic, supporting data can be found on old eq.castersrealm pages on Waybackmachine. We have to deal with the same crap you do. At least you get snare for soloing, heh.

[Hoggen]

Heh. How do you druids like that snare cancels root and vice versa now? And how about that 66 percent moving dot damage? I'm sure shaman and necs like it too, but druid is totally F'd now.

[Bodeanicus]

Heh. How do you druids like that snare cancels root and vice versa now? And how about that 66 percent moving dot damage? I'm sure shaman and necs like it too, but druid is totally F'd now.

Root and snare didn't stack originally.

[Uthgaard]

lol

[Skope]

All shaman dots stacked in classic, supporting data can be found on old eq.castersrealm pages on Waybackmachine. We have to deal with the same crap you do. At least you get snare for soloing, heh.

I didn't play shaman during classic, but during kunark you were only able to stack 1 of each line. You also had to tank or root to really be effective when DoTing.

Druids also snared only when nuking (mostly quadding) and root-rotting was very very common.

Free ride is over!

[Volsic]

Heh. How do you druids like that snare cancels root and vice versa now? And how about that 66 percent moving dot damage? I'm sure shaman and necs like it too, but druid is totally F'd now.

Sucks, but it's classic. Why play on a classic server if you're going to bitch about stuff that is classic?

[stormlord]

How come root lasts 5 minutes everytime but I can't stack any DoTs that stacked on live? Btw I clearly remember stacking winged death/drones of doom (from ES vambs), Breath of Ro, AND the epic clicky. At some point I even remember drifting death/winged death stacking. I can't find any concrete proof of this...but atleast fix the ES vambs/winged death portion of this bug which we atleast have proof for.
..................................Did you ever play on sullon zek as Tassellhof or is that just a popular name?

[Hoggen]

I play as a druid to port and track things. I never had any illusions to the usefulness of the class. The start of the thread was to bitch about druids before this patch. They are even less powerful than they were pre-patch, so I figured this needed a bump. That explain why I posted?

[Rasah]

Did you ever play on sullon zek as Tassellhof or is that just a popular name?Tasselhoff Burrfoot was the name of a halfling from the Dragonlance Chronicles trilogy.

[notCastv3.0]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.everquest/browse_thread/thread/d41350388ebf8317/66e6bcbee2d4915a?lnk=gst&q=druid+dot+stacking#66e6bcbee2d4915a

[Reikerx]

Actually Stacking the same dot from multiple druids on raid mobs was deffinetly on EQ live. I Just dont know when it was implemented is alll

Man, how did I miss this. Guys, +5000 HP breastplates are on EQ live, can you please give me? I don't know when they were implemented but fuck it, I'm making demands here.

[Lanuven]

quit the QQ and wait till Velious. Druids are king at that point.

[Anger]

quit the QQ and wait till Velious. Druids are king at that point.

See you in a year.