GM’s Restore Stolen Nobles?

[LuffyP99]

In light of recent events (ST betraying the UN agreement to not touch OOA/Hand bosses in sky from the guild/entities who win the Noble Race):

Would it be appropriate for gm’s to delete the loot obtained by ST killing 5 Noble Gods, and restore the 3 OOA/Hands in sky with 2, 3, and 4 weeks respectively left of their month long cycle that results in 3-day Uncontested Noble Spawns?

The people who invested countless hours practicing racing to bring glory to their guild when the new arrangement was set have been foiled by ST’s malicious actions. I especially feel badly for the wronged Federation entity who worked hard and won their first 11-Noble kill, and ultimately only got 1 Noble kill out of it. Before this new arrangement was ironed out, every guild got at least 3 Nobles.

I’d like to hear the community’s thoughts on this matter, and for a GM to consider some level of intervention based on the unprecedented betrayal of the Green community by ST.

[Ivory]

I thought UN was player agreements for participating guilds? Not GM server rules? And if a guild leaves it, they no longer have to follow those agreements?

[getsome]

To be fair, Restore the warders on blue right after restoring those green nobles.

[Albanwr]

I thought UN was player agreements for participating guilds? Not GM server rules? And if a guild leaves it, they no longer have to follow those agreements?

I believe they have to still follow them for 72 hours after saying auf wiedersehen

[sajbert]

I dunno what really happened, most of the time people cry about ST it’s bullshit.

When Kingdom stole Faydedar a few weeks ago (coth) there was no loot deletion. It was settled by other means. If ST indeed has stolen raid targets I believe they will have to concede x future targets.

[Bach]

To be fair, Restore the warders on blue right after restoring those green nobles.

30 nobles were stolen/destroyed, how many warders?

[Bach]

I thought UN was player agreements for participating guilds? Not GM server rules? And if a guild leaves it, they no longer have to follow those agreements?

They have to follow agreement for 72 hours after notice of leave.

And yes to restore, and ill acquired loot destroyed.

[LuffyP99]

I dunno what really happened, most of the time people cry about ST it’s bullshit.

When Kingdom stole Faydedar a few weeks ago (coth) there was no loot deletion. It was settled by other means. If ST indeed has stolen raid targets I believe they will have to concede x future targets.

You should catch up on the forums, but i can explain it for you. There was a server UN agreement that the winner of the contested Noble race can leave their hand/ooa targets up which causes a fresh noble to spawn every 3 days. This results in 11 nobles over the course of a month instead of the 3 you get for Noble/hand/ooa. Raid guilds with a major presence all agreed to these terms, including ST. Over the next 3 weeks kingdom won 2 Nobles and federation guilds won 1 Noble. Following the agreed rules these 4 guilds were leaving hand/ooa up to get their 11 Nobles per kill. Then the gm’s issued a server rule that if a guild wins 3 consecutive Trakanon the 4th must go to another guild if they can kill within 12 hours. This decision was by the Gm, but ST decided to take it out on the players. ST leadership lost their cool and sense of reason, without warning deleted the UN discord removing everyone including gm’s. Then they posted a forum thread that they won’t follow any rules and their squad went to sky and killed all the OOA and Hands that were left up by the winning guilds, effectively stealing their mobs intentionally as party of their sissy fit. If that wasn’t enough, to show the entire server what they’re made of they went and zerged vox when it was supposed to be an open raid vox. The server has been cool about including regular players in monthly open raids, but ST didn’t get their way so they punish everyone else. Menden had enough and smacked everyone tagged ST with an indefinite raid suspension. So really, this is unlike anything that has ever occurred on green, or your example.

[Bach]

I dunno what really happened, most of the time people cry about ST it’s bullshit.

When Kingdom stole Faydedar a few weeks ago (coth) there was no loot deletion. It was settled by other means. If ST indeed has stolen raid targets I believe they will have to concede x future targets.

They got raid banned, you re calling gm bullshiter?

Let me guess what guild you're in:rolleyes:

Enjoy the raid ban.

[sajbert]

You should catch up on the forums, but i can explain it for you. There was a server UN agreement that the winner of the contested Noble race can leave their hand/ooa targets up which causes a fresh noble to spawn every 3 days. This results in 11 nobles over the course of a month instead of the 3 you get for Noble/hand/ooa. Raid guilds with a major presence all agreed to these terms, including ST. Over the next 3 weeks kingdom won 2 Nobles and federation guilds won 1 Noble. Following the agreed rules these 4 guilds were leaving hand/ooa up to get their 11 Nobles per kill. Then the gm’s issued a server rule that if a guild wins 3 consecutive Trakanon the 4th must go to another guild if they can kill within 12 hours. This decision was by the Gm, but ST decided to take it out on the players. ST leadership lost their cool and sense of reason, without warning deleted the UN discord removing everyone including gm’s. Then they posted a forum thread that they won’t follow any rules and their squad went to sky and killed all the OOA and Hands that were left up by the winning guilds, effectively stealing their mobs intentionally as party of their sissy fit. If that wasn’t enough, to show the entire server what they’re made of they went and zerged vox when it was supposed to be an open raid vox. The server has been cool about including regular players in monthly open raids, but ST didn’t get their way so they punish everyone else. Menden had enough and smacked everyone tagged ST with an indefinite raid suspension. So really, this is unlike anything that has ever occurred on green, or your example.
I don't care for dragon politics, I raid for the purposes of dragon tourism (and with the effort required to get VP keyed and all the drama I'm quickly losing interest in this too).

I'm saying that so far I haven't seen, and provided an example, of loot being deleted or raid bosses being restored. Instead GM's have opted for making guilds concede targets (or well in this case a full raid ban which in effect translates to the same thing).

As for ST...

ST is outperforming every other guild on the server by a mile. In a free-for-all ST would dominate every bit of content they yearned for. These noble races and whatnot are to me strange solutions for evening the playing field.

I can see how ST feels entitled to the Trak teeth when they ARE winning the engages a system that's already effectively a handicap for them.

Considering how the system was designed for ST to not hog all the content, was it broken? Kingdom finally won a noble race, perhaps things would've gotten more interesting.

I don't think it's healthy for one guild to have sole VP-access. I can understand that a move was made to give other guilds "welfare dragons" for keys, at the same time yeah I understand how ST loses interest then. They're looking to compete, they have a vision in mind for how they want the server to be. I guess the p99 management doesn't agree, tough news for ST.

[sajbert]

They got raid banned, you re calling gm bullshiter?

Let me guess what guild you're in:rolleyes:

Enjoy the raid ban.

I'm sorry you lack reading comprehension.

[Lostfaction]

I disagree with bag limits. Shorter windows (+\- 4 hours) and more frequent quakes (51 days dry) would be a good start. Regardless it’s the gm’s server and lashing out at the rest of the server population over server staff decision was a bold move.

Gm’s won’t restore anything or delete loot here and that’s fine this game is meant to be unforgiving and challenging and that’s the fun in it. But there are consequences to actions

[Xersius]

I think most people would agree, that while ST stealing several mobs from the server at large sucks, it's a small price to pay for the justice served.

[Bach]

IF no respawning is done, I would guess ST will have to concede 30 nobles once their raid ban is lifted.

The loot obtained need to be remove for sure.

[Bach]

Gm’s won’t restore anything or delete loot here and that’s fine this game is meant to be unforgiving and challenging and that’s the fun in it. But there are consequences to actions
They did and still do actually if called for, which it is.

[Xersius]

ST is outperforming every other guild on the server by a mile. In a free-for-all ST would dominate every bit of content they yearned for. These noble races and whatnot are to me strange solutions for evening the playing field.

I can see how ST feels entitled to the Trak teeth when they ARE winning the engages a system that's already effectively a handicap for them.



<Seal Teal> constantly puts on a farce of "we love competition bring it on", and when they lose several ACTUAL competitions in a row, their leadership lost their composure.

In the fairest of sense, the Noble race shows that any guild on P99 Green can be competitive when it boils down to a footrace for FTE.

Seal Team's only weight over other guilds are their sheer size and capability to sit for 16 hours in front of a computer screen at multiple targets due to this size. Their leadership 110% planned and knew of this, by absorbing Lineage just before Kunark.

When you become a monopolizing force, it must be dismantled for the betterment of the economy.

If Seal Team was doing what they do with 30-40 players in the current landscape, I'd tip my hat. But alas, they can't. Their sociopathic leadership steps on everyone's neck to get to the top, and the GMs rightfully so stepped in.

They've hopefully learned a hard lesson: When you're a dog, don't bite the hand that feeds.

[sajbert]

<Seal Teal> constantly puts on a farce of "we love competition bring it on", and when they lose several ACTUAL competitions in a row, their leadership lost their composure.
It wasn't losing a noble race that sent them off. I've only heard excitement coming from ST whenever there's competition. Seems to me it was the "welfare trakanons" that made them snap.


When you become a monopolizing force, it must be dismantled for the betterment of the economy.
Sure and now it'll be Kingdom. Nothing's really changed.

The p99 management has sent a strong message. Get along or you won't get to play with the other children. Its their show.

[Mirana]

It wasn't losing a noble race that sent them off. I've only heard excitement coming from ST whenever there's competition. Seems to me it was the "welfare trakanons" that made them snap.



Sure and now it'll be Kingdom. Nothing's really changed.

The p99 management has sent a strong message. Get along or you won't get to play with the other children. Its their show.

The idea of competition in this context is laughable, when all it amounts to is staring at a screen and recruiting such that you have ample raid force 24/7. The only people that want to "compete" in this game are those that can't win competitions of actual skill.

Oh, and when there is a chance you might actually lose, just drop reavers on em.

[Imposter]

makes more sense for seal team to be suspended until the natural restoration of the Nobles happen, so like 3 weeks or so.

[LuffyP99]

makes more sense for seal team to be suspended until the natural restoration of the Nobles happen, so like 3 weeks or so.

Respectfully, i strongly disagree with you. The GM should keep ST suspended until they feel ST has learned their lesson and show remorse. They weren’t banned for betraying the UN and killing sky mobs, so why should their punishment be reflected by something like this?

They should be a us needs until they openly apologize to everyone, show great remorse for their toxic and depraved behavior, and feel a damn lot more than a slap on the wrists for disrespecting all the other guilds, the entire server, and the gm’s who work so hard to make this game we love. And after that it should be a minimum of a month on top of that.

Please note, this is a special circumstance. It’s not shady tactics on 1 boss. Their actions quite literally took 10 noble Gods from fed; 8 from kingdoms second noble, 5 from kingdoms first noble. Kingdom had paid tax giving a noble to other guilds and had agreements to give additional Nobles to smaller guilds as a peace offering. You can’t tell me 23 god kills is comparable to anything we have seen before. The absurdity of st’s egotistical and moronic actions have cost 4-5 guilds MONTHS of progress. Progress that they earned through hard work and practice. I have been practicing racing noble for 10 hrs a week for a month, and many others have too. There was a community agreement that was completely disregarded, and due to this GM intervention is worth consideration.

[sajbert]

Respectfully, i strongly disagree with you. The GM should keep ST suspended until they feel ST has learned their lesson and show remorse. They weren’t banned for betraying the UN and killing sky mobs, so why should their punishment be reflected by something like this?

They should be a us needs until they openly apologize to everyone, show great remorse for their toxic and depraved behavior, and feel a damn lot more than a slap on the wrists for disrespecting all the other guilds, the entire server, and the gm’s who work so hard to make this game we love. And after that it should be a minimum of a month on top of that.

Please note, this is a special circumstance. It’s not shady tactics on 1 boss. Their actions quite literally took 10 noble Gods from fed; 8 from kingdoms second noble, 5 from kingdoms first noble. Kingdom had paid tax giving a noble to other guilds and had agreements to give additional Nobles to smaller guilds as a peace offering. You can’t tell me 23 god kills is comparable to anything we have seen before. The absurdity of st’s egotistical and moronic actions have cost 4-5 guilds MONTHS of progress. Progress that they earned through hard work and practice. I have been practicing racing noble for 10 hrs a week for a month, and many others have too. There was a community agreement that was completely disregarded, and due to this GM intervention is worth consideration.
No idea why people say ST disrespected the entire server or the server community when it really was just a handful of raiding guilds making up a tiny portion of the overall playerbase. One of those guilds who only a couple of weeks ago themselves stole a dragon. That same guild also for months wasted GM time on unsubstantiated or outright false accusations against ST.

I don't think ST will change their tune but with the promise of another longer (or permanent) ban they can either leave or learn how to play along or buy the p99 server. 3 weeks will have restored the balance (looking back at it historically anyway) but GMs may wish to enforce a harsher penalty to make a point to ST as well as other guilds.

I think I'd be pretty fed up with the pixel drama if I were a GM on p99.

[LazyHydras]

30 nobles were stolen/destroyed, how many warders?

Should we do the math of how many potential warders could have been from then until now?

[Local]

No idea why people say ST disrespected the entire server or the server community when it really was just a handful of raiding guilds making up a tiny portion of the overall playerbase. One of those guilds who only a couple of weeks ago themselves stole a dragon. That same guild also for months wasted GM time on unsubstantiated or outright false accusations against ST.

Nobles aside, they sniped open raid Vox. That is disrespecting the entire server.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

30 nobles were stolen/destroyed, how many warders?

And they've been in EC all week selling Sky MQs for 300k.

Better delete that plat too

[turbosilk]

Respectfully, i strongly disagree with you. The GM should keep ST suspended until they feel ST has learned their lesson and show remorse. They weren’t banned for betraying the UN and killing sky mobs, so why should their punishment be reflected by something like this?

They should be a us needs until they openly apologize to everyone, show great remorse for their toxic and depraved behavior, and feel a damn lot more than a slap on the wrists for disrespecting all the other guilds, the entire server, and the gm’s who work so hard to make this game we love. And after that it should be a minimum of a month on top of that.

Please note, this is a special circumstance. It’s not shady tactics on 1 boss. Their actions quite literally took 10 noble Gods from fed; 8 from kingdoms second noble, 5 from kingdoms first noble. Kingdom had paid tax giving a noble to other guilds and had agreements to give additional Nobles to smaller guilds as a peace offering. You can’t tell me 23 god kills is comparable to anything we have seen before. The absurdity of st’s egotistical and moronic actions have cost 4-5 guilds MONTHS of progress. Progress that they earned through hard work and practice. I have been practicing racing noble for 10 hrs a week for a month, and many others have too. There was a community agreement that was completely disregarded, and due to this GM intervention is worth consideration.

There is no amount of time suspended that will change the behaviour of ST leadership and some of the others in guild, plus the enablers. It would just be crocodile tears at best.

7+ years history on blue show the various changes GMs made over the years hasn't had the intended effect. The resolution is constant perma banning those players every time they show up. They need help and letting them back into EQ won't get them the help and life reflection they need.

[Dicanomip99]

No sympathy for ST. They made their bed. This is a server for EVERYONE, and not just the typical ST neckbeard. They have plenty of good people in their ranks, but "just following orders" is never an excuse (see WWII).

As to the ST sympathizers in here, this was agreed upon last night between the non-ST raiding guilds before the new UN Discord was even created (this morning). The idea that Kingdom or Venerate or whoever is just going to mirror ST's behavior and approach to the raiding scene is laughable.

"Delrake -Today at 10:04 AM-
@everyone In an effort to fix the wrongs created by Seal Team's response to a GM ruling yesterday:

1. The other competitive guilds agreed the next Vox (quake / No quake) will be an open raid to all Green Players who were not involved in the Vox's Slaying on 2/6/2021

2. We will restart Noble Rotation that was agreed on in the Green UN , first three 3-day Noble spawns will reward to non-competitive guilds that had their OoA stolen - CI, FoH and GM. The following nobles will split with Kingdom, Venerate and Black Lotus since their noble rotations will removed prematurely by Seal Team.

In the end, we wish to reflect the behavior that the GM expect from the Green Raid Community and to quote Blistiq to follow the "rule of cool" in our actions."

[Bach]

No idea why people say ST disrespected the entire server or the server community when it really was just a handful of raiding guilds making up a tiny portion of the overall playerbase. One of those guilds who only a couple of weeks ago themselves stole a dragon. That same guild also for months wasted GM time on unsubstantiated or outright false accusations against ST.

I don't think ST will change their tune but with the promise of another longer (or permanent) ban they can either leave or learn how to play along or buy the p99 server. 3 weeks will have restored the balance (looking back at it historically anyway) but GMs may wish to enforce a harsher penalty to make a point to ST as well as other guilds.

I think I'd be pretty fed up with the pixel drama if I were a GM on p99.

Funny coming from an obv ST member.

ST stole noble from kingdom venerate BL CI GM FoH, but yeah minority.

And then vox from the entire server.

Cry more.